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UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Smurf on March 02, 2016, 09:27:11 pm
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Just wondered how you would go about cleaning render walls on properties when they are surrounded by water so using chems might be a big no no?
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It would be hard to get clean without chemicals
What's at the bottom of the wall, would u not be able to use suton along the floor under the wall to collect waste,
Plastic sheeting into a run off area or some guttering along the bottom of the wall to collect an again run it off into either drains or somewere better than going Into the water
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It would be hard to get clean without chemicals
What's at the bottom of the wall, would u not be able to use suton along the floor under the wall to collect waste,
Plastic sheeting into a run off area or some guttering along the bottom of the wall to collect an again run it off into either drains or somewere better than going Into the water
Great thinking Matty... Nice one ;)
The property in question is a posh second home for a client I have to look after with the render walls decking etc all going green. It has a stream running along the front and back that runs into a lake. Lucky enough the bottom of the walls are just grassed so Like you say some sort of recovery system using guttering and sheeting might be a good workaround to minimise the risk of too much chem entering the soil and making its way into the water. Not only that the chem run off once caputured could then be recycled.
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On the second pic it look easy enough to sheet out, use the slope to ur advantage.
If I sheeted it out an used the slope, I would maybe funnel the sheeting into a barrel or 2 especially if you can re use it, might need a bit of guttering to direct flow into top or barrel, or just use a bigger one with a hose fitted to the bottom, if it's down hill will drain off, if not might have to take booster pump to job and plug in,
Sheet out bottoms of walls and maybe put guttering along each bottom to collect, or use gutters with end caps on if they not water tight a bit of plastic carrier bag to make them, then you just have to empty by hand, jug, cup or if the booster pump is available use that to transfer the chemical out the gutters into barrells
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Sounds like a good plan.
To be honest for quick results and max profits I was tempted just to use a hypo softwash mix and brush it on because of the zinc roof etc and the amount of water needed to wash down afterwards on reflection using hypo maybe not a great idea on that one.
Looks like I'm going to have to go down the slower and more expensive route now as I'm not geared up for softwashing.
That's using an Algopro type product as would be the safer option for surfaces but still is harmful for aquatic life if not careful.
Due to budget constraints in buying new softwash kit can anyone advise the cheapest and best way to apply algopro type chems as I can't afford to fork out loads of money for some decent kit that the likes of Chris uses at this present time?
All I'm after really for now is maybe a decent enough chem resistant 12 volt pump suitable with a high enough bar & flow rate. Then adapt a wfp to spray it on the walls and give it a scrub if need be. Any help and advice would be appreciated.
I don't mean to sound tight but due to ongoing health problems money at the mo is a real concern and I don't want to get into debt buying expensive bits of new kit that I may not be able to fully utilise (pay for itself) in the near future.
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If I had a budget of 10k I would still go down the wfp route before I spent any money on new kit, get some experience and see we're the mistakes are made first.
Why would you waste money on something that can be built up using an alternative 12v pump and kit already in ya van.
Fatter hose than what we wfp with and bigger jets in brushes
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A wfp and backpack is perfect for render.
People will say that the chems will kill the pump but mines about 9'months old and has only been used for chems and it's still going strong. If overspray is an issue then an x jet is good.
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Where is the job….what end of the country?
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Where is the job….what end of the country?
Wiltshire Chris why?
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I would of lent you the gear to do it.
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I would of lent you the gear to do it.
Wow! That's very kind of you Chris
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You can borrow my backpack if it helps .
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You can borrow my backpack if it helps .
Many thanks Ray but I will see if I can coble together a 12 volt hi flow pump box for now using maybe this type of pump.
https://www.softwashtechnology.co.uk/collections/pumps/products/flojet-triplex-high-flow-r3521134a-pump-12v-4-8-bar-15-1-lpm
That way I have the option using a chem pump box to either stick it on a trolley/sack truck and use it mobile using 20 ltr containers to feed from or static in the van to directly feed chems from the smaller 250 litre van tank as I have two tanks in the van already. Thinking about it I also have a spare digi controller that I could use on the chem pump box so can set the flow that would be best suited for each job in hand.
Sorry if I'm waffling on chaps but just thinking allowed the cheapest way to knock up a 12 volt van type chem delivery system that could be also used mobile on a trolley if need be.
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I think this will work no probs as far as a van set up goes, it's exact same set up as wfp delivery system, just using the rite hoses to let flow through.
As for a trolley set up if the pump is running at 10 lpm the barrell will be empty in no time, so may need a constant flow of water plus chem ( another person required ) or convert a trolley similar to Darran done to hold more water.
I would just stick to van set up, get the pump rigged up to spare tank, strap it to other tank and connect hoses up, and were jobs come in that access isn't available either add more hose or by this time enough jobs will have been done to invest in something that's manageable for yourself to move,
Maybe some new pole hose and jets, connectors and pump this may be your only out lay
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I think this will work no probs as far as a van set up goes, it's exact same set up as wfp delivery system, just using the rite hoses to let flow through.
As for a trolley set up if the pump is running at 10 lpm the barrell will be empty in no time, so may need a constant flow of water plus chem ( another person required ) or convert a trolley similar to Darran done to hold more water.
I would just stick to van set up, get the pump rigged up to spare tank, strap it to other tank and connect hoses up, and were jobs come in that access isn't available either add more hose or by this time enough jobs will have been done to invest in something that's manageable for yourself to move,
Maybe some new pole hose and jets, connectors and pump this may be your only out lay
Exactly Matty as would get me started for sure.
On that property I would like to try a quants based product rather than using hypo.
That way I don't have to worry about overspray/run-off damaging the zinc roof, metal window frames, metal downpipes, wood cladding, paving, decking etc when applying. as can all be treated with the same chem safely I hope. Not only that the outside table & chairs need going over too but the wooden foot bridge at the front might be a bit of a chalange to do.
Just wondering now what would be the best type/size hose, connectors etc to use and best way to rig up a wfp for the task. I see in that algoclear vid they use a garden type sprayer nozzle tip at the end of the pole and really saturate the walls down.
Anyone know the best way to go about this and best/cheapest place to get all the parts needed that may already have built this type of wfp sprayer before.
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http://www.roofclean.co.uk/pdf/AlgoClear-Pricelist-2015.pdf
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Cheers Chris, I will take a look for ideas ;)
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Just reading the algoclear pro sds http://www.roofclean.co.uk/pdf/AlgoClear-Pro-Safety-Datasheet-2014.pdf
that states:
10.5. Incompatible materials
Materials to avoid: Soft metals (aluminium, zinc etc.) Strong acids...
That means I'm back to square one then...FFS ::)roll
That job I'm in two minds to say stuff it and just get the client to find someone else as to be honest it seems more hassle than it's worth now.
What would you chaps do?
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I would phone me …before I go to bed and whilst I am in a good mood. I might if the mood takes me explain how to do it.
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Nice offer Chris, i have often phoned Chris myself great guy to talk with and really knows his stuff he won't put you wrong Smurf. Tadgh
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Indeed Tadgh.
As after speaking with Chris I now feel much more confident in doing that job.
Nice one Chris ;)
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Just wondering how much would you chaps like Chris etc that use algoclear would charge to do that job.
That's a complete exterior property deep clean including everything I've mentioned in previous posts?
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Anyone?
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I would have thought chris would have been more than happy to advise you on that as well as the use of algoclear
Darran
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I've already put in a price Smudger but just now wondering if I was too cheap.
Whilst on the phone with Chris I forgot to ask about pricing Algoclear jobs up as you do. Doh!
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So what's your price then, seeing as your asking...
Darran
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950 Smudger
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Sounds reasonable smurf all 4 sides, about 3 hours to spray then walk away, or are you doing other stuff as well ??
Darran
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Sounds reasonable smurf all 4 sides, about 3 hours to spray then walk away, or are you doing other stuff as well ??
Darran
As well as the render walls price includes cleaning the wooden foot bridge, paving, wood cladding at front, rear decking, balcony decking, balcony walls and all external glass. I should be well knackered after all that ;D
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Oh!
Darran
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Oh!
Darran
Sounds a lot of work don't it ???
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Well, it's a lot for that price (IMO)
Render clean £900
Bridge and decks £500
Paths £100
Window clean £50
Total £1550 + vat - however I would offer 10% discount as a complete package
Darran
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Of course I'd hypo so the results can be seen on the day ;D
Darran
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Of course I'd hypo so the results can be seen on the day ;D
Darran
;D
The chap had it done 2 years ago for considerably less so I thought 950 was pushing my luck somewhat. Mind you the chap did say it was a poor job :D
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Yiu get what you pay for ;D
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Yiu get what you pay for ;D
Indeed and I bet that guy who phoned me to see if I would clear that guttering as a subby because he did not have a long enough ladder is kicking himself right know. The chap wanted to deal directly with me so I don't think he wants to use the other guy anymore somehow.
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I was thinking price wise, for what you have got to do I would be using hypo as well to off set against the price, definatley not paying for algo within that.
2 x guys should be well done and cleaned up within a day so u being 1 of them there's still enough to make a decent pay day for urself.
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I've allowed 200 ish for chems using algoclear products.
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That's still ok ish, only a days labour chem and travel costs should still make 500-600 for a days work.
Look at it like that and it's a nice days work, for an extra £20 could you not clean with hypo then treat with algo afterwards....... Am asking not suggesting, av never used algo or done a job like that before, so keen to learn.
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Don't worry I will have some hypo in the van aswell just in case. ;)
Still I want to try algopro first on that one as if it works well may lead to a lot more work as there are 70 ish posh second homes with K rend walls, decking etc that need cleaning on that gated estate.
I'm not greedy so 700 + clear would do me just fine even if it took 2 days to do properly.
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It's not about being greedy, it's about business.- you asked after all.... ::)roll
£200 algoclear or £16 hypo, ummm difficault decision 🤔
Then how long have you got to wait for the full effect ? Mid summer ?? Most want to see where the money is spent, quarts has its place as a maintenance/preventative cleaning service.
I wouldn't hypo them algoclear the to should never meet 8)
Darran
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I hear what you are saying smudger and many thanks for taking the time to quote that up.
It does seem rather daft to spend a lot of money on using algoclear when hypo will do the same job with instant results at a fraction of the cost for sure.
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£200 Algoclear £15 in bleach…how do you work that out.
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Chris, what price do you pay for algoclear pro and that gel as the price I was sent through seems very expensive to me?
For instance I can get 4x5 litres of this Didecyldimethylammonium Chloride for the cost of 2x 5 litres of algoclear (40% Didecyldimethylammonium Chloride) so it's 10% more concentrated too so will go further diluted down surely.
What do you think?
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Algoclear is about £15 per litre which makes 40litres of "Render cleaner".
Bleach is £1.60 per litre which makes 5 litres of "Render cleaner" = £12.80 per 40 litres of "Render cleaner".
Algo clear is first press of the soya bean…cheaper DDac has added solvent during the extraction.
The Green Alage is gone whithin 24hrs useing Quats not "mid summer" as stated.
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Algoclear is about £15 per litre which makes 40litres of "Render cleaner".
Bleach is £1.60 per litre which makes 5 litres of "Render cleaner" = £12.80 per 40 litres of "Render cleaner".
Algo clear is first press of the soya bean…cheaper DDac has added solvent during the extraction.
The Green Alage is gone whithin 24hrs useing Quats "mid summer" as stated.
Nice post Chris. Thanks ;)
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For instance I can get 4x5 litres of this Didecyldimethylammonium Chloride for the cost of 2x 5 litres of algoclear (40% Didecyldimethylammonium Chloride) so it's 10% more concentrated too so will go further diluted down surely.
What dilution rate would you use this 50% at? The same as Algoclear 40-1
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Going by what chris has said using 50% DDac 1 litre should make 50 litres of render cleaner I would have thought?
Anyhow I've been a bit put off buying cheaper after Chris mentioned the solvent thing.
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Oh well that job is booked in the diary now so I better pull my finger out and order some algoclear.
After taking Chris advice I already have a pf trolley so will be using that and wfp with a stiff brush with fan jets fitted to apply the algoclear and brush it in for now. Apparently it goes frothy when brushed in so will not need to flood the walls like the vid and get loads on the ground below. This will also save cost and the amount of chem need for that job all be it slower to do.
At some point will need to get another pump etc to make up a pump box for the van as am using the pf trolley static at the mo for wfp work.
If this algoclear render cleaning marlarky takes off will then with the money earned on that job and others put towards buying some better kit.
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Yehaaaaaaaaaaa..................! ;D
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Yehaaaaaaaaaaa..................! ;D
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Wow! that's looks an amazing contrast Chris.
Can I ask what chems were used if any?
Reason why I ask is going by the pics what with the size of the red hose used, what looks like steam at the top of that wall and the after pic what looks like a lance line down that wall I take it someone was using a doff type system on that one Chris?
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Sorry trade secrets….I was just posting pictures of random dirty walls. ;D
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Chris
Is that the Cardiff Job?
Kev
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Sorry trade secrets….I was just posting pictures of random dirty walls. ;D
Fair enough ;D
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I know rhino and overs use bleach and doff's on jobs like that for instant results that is why I asked. That is also on big test patch ;D
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Fair play to Chris there he's done a decent job on the building.
The thing is smurf companies pay the right price for jobs like that so this is Chris's line of work, what knowledge he's gained over the years is how he's able to bid/do the job and make it look good, if he was to just put it up here, with the amount of lurkers that come on here, he could well be doing himself out of a job.
Don't get me wrong am sure if you was to speak with him rather than having it put up here he would prob point you in the right direction as to what's what.
As far as the doff cleaning goes, I might need Chris to do a job for me when ( that's if I can save up the £7k odd ) if I get round to getting one
Nice job Chris
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That is what I call big boy's league taking on jobs like that Matty and I can understand why peeps want to keep quiet.
I would also probably poope myself going up in a picker that high now let alone work from one.
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nice job chris scott if you down this way call in mate
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nice job chris scott if you down this way call in mate
Do they still race in the park ?
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Chris
Is that the Cardiff Job?
Kev
Might be.
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That is what I call big boy's league taking on jobs like that Matty and I can understand why peeps want to keep quiet.
I would also probably poope myself going up in a picker that high now let alone work from one.
I don't think it's just for the big boys smurf, us small guys can to tender for jousts like this we just have to start off small gain some experience and keep at it, 10 years later we be doing some big jobs.
I have a job lined up for a doff ( not just yet tho ) and when it comes off I will be able to buy one, I will use the job to have a play with the machine and see what it's all about but I would prob consider getting someone in on a day rate to do the job, ( some one like Chris :D ) and learn from them. I think if your guna go Into suton like that the experience is worth more than the machine
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That is what I call big boy's league taking on jobs like that Matty and I can understand why peeps want to keep quiet.
I would also probably poope myself going up in a picker that high now let alone work from one.
I don't think it's just for the big boys smurf, us small guys can to tender for jousts like this we just have to start off small gain some experience and keep at it, 10 years later we be doing some big jobs.
I have a job lined up for a doff ( not just yet tho ) and when it comes off I will be able to buy one, I will use the job to have a play with the machine and see what it's all about but I would prob consider getting someone in on a day rate to do the job, ( some one like Chris :D ) and learn from them. I think if your guna go Into suton like that the experience is worth more than the machine
True but stonehealth will give you training as they don't want any numpty to try using one ;D
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Stonhealth don't have a f***in clue…anymore.
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Great results Chris, another nice one to add to your portfolio. Tadgh
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Stonhealth don't have a f***in clue…anymore.
Is that since the guy with all the knowledge left and started up on his own then Chris?
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Since…Brian Crowe's son took over.
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When was that then Chris?
Have you been having issues with your kit?
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nice job chris scott if you down this way call in mate
Do they still race in the park ?
Yes they do , and we live opposite :)
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I've seen the signs when we go to Glyn Neath for August bank holiday and wondered if they still did it. A mate of mine came off and ended up in the rose garden in the 80's - he was finding septic thorns for weeks ;D
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Did a demo for a customer 2 weeks ago using AlgoClear. Pumped it up through my waterfed pole and brushed it in.
I did the strip above the steps which looked like the wall on the right.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1458754249_algo clear photo[3].JPG)
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Did a demo for a customer 2 weeks ago using AlgoClear. Pumped it up through my waterfed pole and brushed it in.
I did the strip above the steps which looked like the wall on the right.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1458754249_algo clear photo[3].JPG)
Not sure why the pic is on its side !
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£1.60 a litre for bleach Chris. Seen you coming mate.
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The big question is I suppose if using bleach is it K-rend approved though as some clients will want to know.
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Did a demo for a customer 2 weeks ago using AlgoClear. Pumped it up through my waterfed pole and brushed it in.
I did the strip above the steps which looked like the wall on the right.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1458754249_algo clear photo[3].JPG)
Not sure why the pic is on its side !
Nice pic...did you get the job?
why you ask is the pic on its side well using an iphone tends to do that if you don't hold the phone the right way around
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£1.60 a litre for bleach Chris. Seen you coming mate.
Now where did I say I was paying £1.60 per litre? I pay less than 50p per litre… http://www.easychemtrade.co.uk/shop/products/sodium-hypochlorite-200.htm
"People on average" are paying about £1 per litre for bleach + soap+delivery ….so for arguments sake it's around £1.60 per litre.
Whats app your mates…it's down to 50 p again ;D
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£1.60 a litre for bleach Chris. Seen you coming mate.
Now where did I say I was paying £1.60 per litre? I pay less than 50p per litre… http://www.delf-uk.com/shop/product/red-label-hypochlorite-5-litre-m-bl11/
"People on average" are paying about £1 per litre for bleach + soap+delivery ….so for arguments sake it's around £1.60 per litre.
Whats app your mates…it's down to 50 p again ;D
I was going to order some as sounded cheap until they want to charge 15 for delivery. I can get 14-15% cheaper than that local.
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I did get the job. Doing it next week. i didn't take the picture, it was sent to me by the customer and it's right way up on my computer!
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Result!...another one in the diary for you then. Nice one ;)
Can I ask what algoclear pro dilution rate did you use on that one?
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I Think it was 1:40 or whatever it says on the container. Haven't got one to hand at the moment
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So 1l of algoclear will make 40l of cleaner and still be able to clean bad walls like that?
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Hi, Sorry to hijack the thread, however I was researching Soft washing (isn't everyone?) and I notice a few years ago people were discussing buying DDAC against the branded version, so thought I would ask here as we are on the subject. has anyone done a comparative test? Thanks.
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You can buy 50% concentrate DDAC for less than algoclear pro (40%) http://mistralni.co.uk/collections/biocides/products/didecyldimethylammonium-chloride
It would not surprise me if the branded product is made in the same factory either. Still I would rather pay more for the branded product myself as is easier to sell being approved by K Rend and all.
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Hi Smurf, good point well made.
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Yes, 1:40 but I applied it via the pole, turned off the flow then brushed it in well. I finished off with a second overspray only.
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Yes, 1:40 but I applied it via the pole, turned off the flow then brushed it in well. I finished off with a second overspray only.
Many thanks.
I've got my first algoclear job to do soon but nowhere near as bad as that one. Seen plenty like that though so good to know you don't need to use loads or that strong a mix to still get good results.
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Yesterday I asked if I could borrow my missus measuring jug to measure out algoclear pro so could get the right dilution rate.
Needless to say it was a big fat no and quite a few expletives added in the reply too so I had to go and buy my own. Cost a whopping £2.49 and I got a set of 3 different sizes for that. What a bargain I thought but I'm not going to tell the missus I've now got 3 ;D
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First day on that job yesterday but did not get very far as spent a good part of the day trying to remove hundreds of spider nests & cobwebs from around and under that rear canopy and upper deck. Apparently they have the property sprayed every year to kill the spiders and nests but the crap is just left up there so after 10 years you can imagine the state of it.
I got so peed off I had a break from that so cleaned the front paths wooden footbridge and entrance. Once that was done the penny dropped so I made up a different tool to get right into the returns of the walls using 6m carbon guttervac poles to suck those pesky hard to remove spider nests and cobwebs.
I'm not really looking forward to going back today as the rest of the walls, soffits, window frames & Juliet balcony glass are also covered in spider nests & cobwebs which is all going to be a pain in the arse to do properly.
Oh and top top things off I bought a titan 20 ltr wet/dry vac that has blow function from screwfix that I thought might come in handy. When I thought I had put the wheels on properly as I carried it into the house all four wheels fell off. :D
Oh the joys of taking these sorts of jobs on ;D
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So how many days you gonna be on this job ?
Darran
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One more to go so total of 3 days Smudger so your pricing was more accurate than mine on that one.
Still client is over the moon with the results thus far so now wants a yearly exterior maintenance clean including, paving, wooden footbridge, render treatment, decking cleaned, gutters checked and cleared etc plus a regular window clean including all balcony glass to keep the property looking smart.
Not forgetting the nightmare I had with the spider nests & cobweb removal as basically lost a day sorting that lot out including all patio doors and frames openers cleaned from the inside too.
Even the client commented that they should have not left it so long to get in such a state as they realised how hard I've been working and was not an easy job to do properly.
Had to laugh today as was quite blustery at times so when brushing in that algoclear on the walls it looked like it was snowing. Next door did give me a funny look as she passed the side window as thought I was having a foam party or something. Just hope those pair of swans that greeted me this morning at the front of the property are still alive and kicking. ;D
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It's been raining quite heavy and still raining so will give it a miss today unless it brightens up.
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Well after that nightmare of a job I don't want to do another one like that in a hurry as was a ball breaker.
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Let's see some b and a's - on the same post as I'm can't be asked to scroll back and forth 👍
Darran
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I could not be bothered to take before and after pics on that one but it does look a wee bit cleaner than when I started.
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Next time I'm neraby on my wc round sometime this week I will pop back over and have another go at those stupid glass juliet balconies I could not do at the time. The wagtail jetstream I've ordered should delivered tomorrow. Also will try a magic erazor mop head which has also been sugested by Tadgh if I can get one local that is. Then afterwards I may take some after pics of the rest of the property I cleaned too.
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Good job I popped back to that property as all the glass had horrendous run marks on them. I could not believe the state they were in as I left them all spotless. ???
It must have happened after it rained over the last few days and washed the remains of algoclear off the walls and window returns onto the glass again. Also the white sills were also covered in dead midges amongst other insects too that again were left spotless before my return today. All I can say it’s a good job the chap did not see it in such a state as he would have not been happy.
Mind you the k rend walls came up very clean so I will just have to remember that one for the next job I do.
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Good job I popped back to that property as all the glass had horrendous run marks on them. I could not believe the state they were in as I left them all spotless. ???
It must have happened after it rainednever heard that one before ;D over the last few days and washed the remains of algoclear off the walls and window returns onto the glass again. Also the white sills were also covered in dead midges amongst other insects too that again were left spotless before my return today. All I can say it’s a good job the chap did not see it in such a state as he would have not been happy.
Mind you the k rend walls came up very clean so I will just have to remember that one for the next job I do.
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Honest guv the glass was spotless when I cleaned em. I blame that stuff I put on your walls washing off when it rains ;D
Oh and I will try not to kill the grass next time too. Doh! I just hope it grows back ::)roll
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What's the correct dilution rate for algo clear pro for cleaning render? Thanks
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I was informed to use 1 litre of algoclear pro to 40 litres of water for k rend walls.
As I was using a pf trolley and wfp to apply and brush it in I just put in 500ml of algoclear then topped up with water in 25 litre containers I bought new to use. In total I used only 6 containers and more than one was used to treat a large deck after it was pressure washed. So if you're tight like me then 5 litre of the stuff can go a long way. Still that was my first one so not done a really bad one yet that I've seen vids of them flooding the walls with the stuff.
Best to be aware as I found out the hard way first time mixing it is when topping up with water talk about froth or what as it’s like a bleeding foam making machine. Best you don’t get the froth on the grass like I did as if left there and not given a good hose down does eventually turn the grass white. Likewise with any runoff that goes on grass too… Oops! I hope it grow back ok if not I'm right in the crapper? ;D
I'm betting now someone like chris will say when mixing you put the water in first then the algoclear and give it a wee stir.
Howerver being a thick paddy like me thought to do it my way and create loads of froth that went everywhere. :P
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Thanks smurf, was told by Francois 1-20 which I thought was excessive and costly..
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Francois also advise me to use a 1- 20 mix. Also suggested to purchase 3 x 5 litre to be on the safe side when I actualy only needed to use 1 x 5 litre and still had about 2 litre left over in that 5 litre container. I suppose if your going to be flooding the walls like they do in the vid then yes you would use much more as most of it would end up on the floor anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AT5vsaGyRk