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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Adam Eastman on March 02, 2016, 07:05:05 pm
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Just wondering if anyone knows if the cub is a twin vac? Also Im budgeting for start up costs, and have been looking at the Cub and Airflex mini twin vac. Anyone know which is the best spec machine? One last question if I may, are either of the fore mentioned machines suitable/good enough as a primary extractor? The plan is to purchase one of these to start with, until I have generated the funds from cleaning to add to my armory one of the larger machines, still keeping the smaller machine for jobs with limited access. Any advice gratefully received
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Went through exactly the same myself, had the same machines in mind. The airflex mini is the better machine. Speak to John Kelly at Restormate he will give you all the advice you need.
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a lot of people on here have experience of the cub machine most think it's poorly built some think it's ok.
Things breaking and toppling over are the main things I have seen but I don't personally have experience of machine.
Air flex mini and Alltec express have much better reviews, with better back up.
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Hi Adam
I run a Alltec Express for my smaller machine, its running 2 x 5.7 Electro motors - in tank heater - in line steam heater.
Been a great machine with first class service from the team at Alltec.
Just waiting now to replace my bigger machine with a custom built Elite machine.
Richard
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I've got a cub. Good machine but pain to empty.
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ive heard the cub is good and a powerfull machine, i started off on a budget, i went for an airflex pro and didnt regret it.
If i was starting out again i think id probably go and see somebody who has the machine im interested in and have a play........
problem with starting out on a budget is you soon realise you want bigger/better, maybe worth looking into leasing???
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Dave, good to hear feedback from someone that has the machine. Can I ask what the issue is with emptying it? One of the reasons I'm swaying towards the cub rather then the Airflex mini is the Cubs larger solution tanks. I also understand it is a more power full machine.
Tim thanks for your feedback, I did initially start looking at the pro, but I then started to realize it prob wouldn't be long till I wanted something bigger, and I can't see any advantage of having a pro and storm for example, so my theory is start with something small that can also be used when access is an issue, then add a larger machine further down the line, either jag or storm. I am off to the clean smart course later this month, so will be good to see the machines as you suggested.
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Just wondering if anyone knows if the cub is a twin vac? Also Im budgeting for start up costs, and have been looking at the Cub and Airflex mini twin vac. Anyone know which is the best spec machine? One last question if I may, are either of the fore mentioned machines suitable/good enough as a primary extractor? The plan is to purchase one of these to start with, until I have generated the funds from cleaning to add to my armory one of the larger machines, still keeping the smaller machine for jobs with limited access. Any advice gratefully received
No .. Cub is not a twinvac , you would not fit two motors in there , in fact its so tight in there the brass regulator had to be put on the out side . Originally the base of the cub was suppose to hold one 5.7 motor and a diaphragm pump , it was a shorter tanked spotter machine called the ' mitey one ' but they stopped making it because the waste tank was too small and water would get into the vacs if u halfed filled it .
The cub is still the same twenty or so year old ' design ' case . Its just shocking bad ... in that why would u suffer the inconvience of such design when u can have a modern design like the airfex/alltec mini for eg .
By bad i mean ... you cant really get a bucket under it because of the height of the waste gate from ground . Also all the cross american machines have an inch gap between the waste gate and the bottom of the internal waste tank so its difficult to clear the grime from the bottom .... a modern machine has a molded bottom to flush the water/grime as it empties .
Also the internal cutoff is a small Polystryene disc moving up/down a metal rod ... it was never reliable . Theres a chance solutons/cleantalk rips that out and mocks something else up in its place like they do with the jag but it compromises the usable waste tank volume .
Power wise ... the cub has one 6.6 motor ... the twin vac machines will be more powerfull no matter what way to measure it .
One 6.6 motor is 7amps ... two electo 5.7motors will be 12 amps . In airwatts one 6.6 is 640 airwatts ... two electros will be around 900 airwatts .
If u are going for the airflex mini or alltec version ... there is little price difference between the 6gallon and full size 12gallon machine casings , so if u have the space to carry it i'd go with the large capacity machine .
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Dave, good to hear feedback from someone that has the machine. Can I ask what the issue is with emptying it? One of the reasons I'm swaying towards the cub rather then the Airflex mini is the Cubs larger solution tanks. I also understand it is a more power full machine.
Tim thanks for your feedback, I did initially start looking at the pro, but I then started to realize it prob wouldn't be long till I wanted something bigger, and I can't see any advantage of having a pro and storm for example, so my theory is start with something small that can also be used when access is an issue, then add a larger machine further down the line, either jag or storm. I am off to the clean smart course later this month, so will be good to see the machines as you suggested.
when you go on the course have a play with a storm.................... its very very good.....
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John Nice review
I have the airflex mini and its a joy to use only thing i need is a higher psi pump when doing 3 storey houses it lacks pressure 135psi
I have a inline heater so a intank would help as well ,is it easy to upgrade the pump or is there pitfalls
thanks Neil
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Thanks for you feedback Neil. I gather from your comments your running a longer length hose when required, do you find any issues with carrying the air flex mini up flights of stairs?
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My airflex mini has a 220 psi adjustable pump and an inline heater. Love it.
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Neils getting on a bit now so only cleans bungalows....if theres any stairs he usually rings me to lift it for him ;)
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Thanks for you feedback Neil. I gather from your comments your running a longer length hose when required, do you find any issues with carrying the air flex mini up flights of stairs?
Hi Adam The airflex mini & alltec express size are ok to carry up stairs but if you go for the better vacs you can easy run 50ft + so just leave the machine by the front door.
Even done it like a truckmount style when i had the van up a drive and done a lounge...
Richard
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The Cub with 1 x 6.6 motor is not more powerful than a twin vac Mini or Express. It is there in black and white for anyone to see on Ametek's own technical data sheets. Don't become one of the many who have been fooled.
Also with a twin vac if one motor packs in you can finish the job on the other motor.
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John Nice review
I have the airflex mini and its a joy to use only thing i need is a higher psi pump when doing 3 storey houses it lacks pressure 135psi
I have a inline heater so a intank would help as well ,is it easy to upgrade the pump or is there pitfalls
thanks Neil
were u asking me ? missed that
this would be your easiest option , carpetcleaningstore should restock them sonn id say
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230-Volt-AQUATEC-220-PSI-Extractor-Pump-Mytee-EDIC-Sandia-Ninja-/221838864872?hash=item33a6a071e8:g:HyMAAOSwBLlVZKL4
The 250/300 psi pumptec woodbridge have for £208+ would probably be better but u have a bit of plumbing , mounting uploaders and all that to do .
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Thanks John .
Ay up butler I can still mange to carry the airflex up stairs.
But it's usually those 3 storey and it's still awkward getting around the corners . I'm going to do as John suggested and get the bigger pump from Woodbridge .
It's far easier to run hoses out .
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John Nice review
I have the airflex mini and its a joy to use only thing i need is a higher psi pump when doing 3 storey houses it lacks pressure 135psi
I have a inline heater so a intank would help as well ,is it easy to upgrade the pump or is there pitfalls
thanks Neil
were u asking me ? missed that
this would be your easiest option , carpetcleaningstore should restock them sonn id say
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230-Volt-AQUATEC-220-PSI-Extractor-Pump-Mytee-EDIC-Sandia-Ninja-/221838864872?hash=item33a6a071e8:g:HyMAAOSwBLlVZKL4
The 250/300 psi pumptec woodbridge have for £208+ would probably be better but u have a bit of plumbing , mounting uploaders and all that to do .
I spoke to Carpetcleanersstore John as i want one of those 220 pumps - he said it will be about 5 weeks for them to arrive
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Had a cub for 2.5 years, I have no clue what the psi is , I know its a 6.6 motor. I know I consistently win new customers from other cleaners and retain mine , it makes me money and buys me lovely things and experiences and £ for£ it worked out the best return on investment which is why I am in business, all machines have pumps and motors with mildly different configurations, colours and logos on them.
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I think the Cub goes up to 300psi - there is a regulator to adjust the pressure but i dont think its got a psi gauge - easily sorted with a gauge bought separately and put on the solution out connector if you want to adjust up and down to your preferred psi
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Had a cub for 2.5 years, I have no clue what the psi is , I know its a 6.6 motor. I know I consistently win new customers from other cleaners and retain mine , it makes me money and buys me lovely things and experiences and £ for£ it worked out the best return on investment which is why I am in business, all machines have pumps and motors with mildly different configurations, colours and logos on them.
Im sure u do good work and thats what wins you customers .
Your post suggests all machines are the same so whats the point in comparison or advising the OP which of the two machines he mentions is the best buy and why .
Fact is i bet you cant put a bucket under your machine to empty it . I'd bet you do some funny shuffle involving lifting the machine and balancing it against the lip of the bucket , i'd bet you dribbled it at times , or it was awkward to lift because it was half full .
Or else you carry some kids sandcastle bucket to suit the wastegate height ...
whichever ... its madness , its such a fundamental basic design feature , there is no point in even disussing the internal components or any other feature of the machine as its fails on the first smallest design hurdle .
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I open the wastegate and let the water go onto the soil or grass, no bucket needed, if I choose to use a bucket then I use an empty 15l container, its low enough to empty into.
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I open the wastegate and let the water go onto the soil or grass, no bucket needed, if I choose to use a bucket then I use an empty 15l container, its low enough to empty into.
thats no good inside a block of apartments .
Its an example of how the design ( or lack of it ) of your machine choice is wasting your time .
Next thing is getting the grit and settled Cr@p out of the bottom inch ... some more time spent holding the machine forward and hosing the inside ... every day ? every Job ?
None of this messing with the Airflex mini / Alltec Express
+ more power and heat if u choose it .
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Shouldn't waste go down sewage?
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Had a cub for 2.5 years, I have no clue what the psi is , I know its a 6.6 motor. I know I consistently win new customers from other cleaners and retain mine , it makes me money and buys me lovely things and experiences and £ for£ it worked out the best return on investment which is why I am in business, all machines have pumps and motors with mildly different configurations, colours and logos on them.
Thanks for the feedback Jason, from what I've heard from owners so far all seems to be positive on the performance of the machine. With regards to the price and larger solution tanks, seems a no brainer so far.
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Good luck Adam ,
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In apartment blocks I simply wheel the machine outside and empty it.
To empty grit every few weeks I suck the tank out with another machine, not much grit is ever there since I prevac every job.
my choice of machine is about the least important thing in my business.
What type of fryer does mcdonalds use?
What type of ball does the premier league use?
What brand of golf club does tiger woods use?
Marketing, chemicals, service and image are what gives success, I chose my machines based on service and reliability.
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In apartment blocks I simply wheel the machine outside and empty it.
To empty grit every few weeks I suck the tank out with another machine, not much grit is ever there since I prevac every job.
my choice of machine is about the least important thing in my business.
What type of fryer does mcdonalds use?
What type of ball does the premier league use?
What brand of golf club does tiger woods use?
Marketing, chemicals, service and image are what gives success, I chose my machines based on service and reliability.
:) what ever works for you .
running in and out of apartments empting a low capacity machine would be my idea of hell , i simply would have time for that messing . If your successfull and hitting big numbers in your business you must have other things going on ... its def not from running around with a cub.
Your mcDonalds and golf analogy ... dont get it , you say you dont really care about your machine choice . I know i do , its vital to me i have a good machine setup , especially as im not running a TM . Tiger woods would consider his choice of clubs vital , and im sure mcdonalds only have the top of the range multi ring hobs and grills .
They would definatly not just say ... ah hell , a single ring camping burner will be fine :-X
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Had a cub for 2.5 years, I have no clue what the psi is , I know its a 6.6 motor. I know I consistently win new customers from other cleaners and retain mine , it makes me money and buys me lovely things and experiences and £ for£ it worked out the best return on investment which is why I am in business, all machines have pumps and motors with mildly different configurations, colours and logos on them.
Thanks for the feedback Jason, from what I've heard from owners so far all seems to be positive on the performance of the machine. With regards to the price and larger solution tanks, seems a no brainer so far.
Its def not a no brainer Adam .
What is it that sways you away from the Airflex at this point .
Performance ... did they tell you on cleantalk the cub is more powerfull ? I can prove to you in several different ways that the twin 5.7s , especially if you choose two electros ( usually a 1200w combined woth a 1500w ) will be way more powerfull that a single 6.6 . And remember im running four 6.6 at the one time to get what i consider good performance . A single 6.6 on its own is not all that and a bag of peanuts :) the two 5.7s do give good performance though .
perhpas u want the two inch hose barb ? Alltec will fit that for you , people like russ chadd and others selected that .
The volumetric tank capacity differs from the actual usable capacity on these machines so u need to consider that , the full size jag i believe only gives about half waste tank capacity as usable .
perhaps u think you you wont be able to lift the airflex ? This video shows the actually same casing used , i would say even a rheumatic dwarf would carry it upstairs with one hand . I think you would even get th full size airflex up steps easier that u think . I have brought the Enforcer up stairs several times and its even heavier id say .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO8iMMJwq1A
Finally things like not getting a bucket under the machine and emptying are not just me having a go , these are real unnecessary issues that will bug u and slow u .
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Also people who use ct and this forum are watched by Nick to make sure they say positive things or they get banned from ct.
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Hi John
The reason I think the cub is going to best meet my needs is mostly down to the weight. When comparing it to the Airflex mini twin vac, the cub is considerably lighter and when comparing it to the Airflex with the 6.6 vac, the cub is considably cheaper. I'm wanting a machine to start with that is capable of doing the job and at the same time easy to pick up and run up to a 4th floor flat if needed. Then in a few months I will be adding a bigger machine, either jag or storm to run as my main machine when access isn't a problem.
With regards to the getting the waste water out, others have mentioned they get a 15 litre bucket under there's, which would be ample. I don't see that I would want to be carrying more then 15kg worth of water in a bucket at anyone time.
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Hi John
The reason I think the cub is going to best meet my needs is mostly down to the weight. When comparing it to the Airflex mini twin vac, the cub is considerably lighter and when comparing it to the Airflex with the 6.6 vac, the cub is considably cheaper. I'm wanting a machine to start with that is capable of doing the job and at the same time easy to pick up and run up to a 4th floor flat if needed. Then in a few months I will be adding a bigger machine, either jag or storm to run as my main machine when access isn't a problem.
With regards to the getting the waste water out, others have mentioned they get a 15 litre bucket under there's, which would be ample. I don't see that I would want to be carrying more then 15kg worth of water in a bucket at anyone time.
overall weight is not as important as weight when handling the machine or weight distribution . They are both light in general .
If you are going upstairs its a pulling action bumping the back wheels from step to step . Both would be easy , as i said i have brought the massive enforcer upstairs like this .
If you are generally maneuvering , say bring the machine from the van to the customers house over gravel , i would say the Semi-Pneumatic tyres and wider track of the airflex will be a lot earier to handle generally .
price ... there is so little in it ?
Did u configure the airflex mini on cleansmarts site ...
this is what i get ..
So the Cub is 1300+
A single 6.6 airflex with 200psi pump is 1300+
A single 6.6 airflex with 300psi pump is 1400+
A twin electro airflex with 200psi pump is 1350+
a twin electro airflex with 300psi pump is 1450+
Also if u could get the extra money together ... adding the inbuilt inline heater is just 250 extra , its something that would make a huge difference , u only know if you'v used one .
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Hi John
The reason I think the cub is going to best meet my needs is mostly down to the weight. When comparing it to the Airflex mini twin vac, the cub is considerably lighter and when comparing it to the Airflex with the 6.6 vac, the cub is considably cheaper. I'm wanting a machine to start with that is capable of doing the job and at the same time easy to pick up and run up to a 4th floor flat if needed. Then in a few months I will be adding a bigger machine, either jag or storm to run as my main machine when access isn't a problem.
With regards to the getting the waste water out, others have mentioned they get a 15 litre bucket under there's, which would be ample. I don't see that I would want to be carrying more then 15kg worth of water in a bucket at anyone time.
overall weight is not as important as weight when handling the machine or weight distribution . They are both light in general .
If you are going upstairs its a pulling action bumping the back wheels from step to step . Both would be easy , as i said i have brought the massive enforcer upstairs like this .
If you are generally maneuvering , say bring the machine from the van to the customers house over gravel , i would say the Semi-Pneumatic tyres and wider track of the airflex will be a lot earier to handle generally .
price ... there is so little in it ?
Did u configure the airflex mini on cleansmarts site ...
this is what i get ..
So the Cub is 1300+
A single 6.6 airflex with 200psi pump is 1300+
A single 6.6 airflex with 300psi pump is 1400+
A twin electro airflex with 200psi pump is 1350+
a twin electro airflex with 300psi pump is 1450+
Also if u could get the extra money together ... adding the inbuilt inline heater is just 250 extra , its something that would make a huge difference , u only know if you'v used one .
I've been speaking to both companies with regards to a 'starter package' and on the machines alone there is over £300 saving on the cub over the mini and quite a bit of savings on other items as well, the TM3 is £100 cheaper as well from solutions.
I have looked at the heater option, but from the research I've done, I gather it's better to spend the extra on an inline heater that can be added closer to the wand?
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what do get with your starter package ? i doubth its anything u cant get the same price or cheaper seperate ..
so u need a wand first . My own view is that the big s-band twin jet wand they often include is awkward and unnecessary ... especially when starting off .
I would get this straight 10" ( hope i can post ashbys link )
http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.co.uk/prochem-glidemaster-wand-10-inch-stainless-steel-single-jet-ac1030-p-1676.html
Hoses ... 25ft of both solution and vac hose should be no more than 100 , try the carpetcleaningstore guy or others
TM3 would be a good addition if u can afford it , but it from where ever is cheapest .
or ... a used low speed rotary with a red scrub pad on it it will do the same job for a couple of 100 .
plenty will advise u about a simple chemical choice if u ask .
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what do get with your starter package ? i doubth its anything u cant get the same price or cheaper seperate ..
so u need a wand first . My own view is that the big s-band twin jet wand they often include is awkward and unnecessary ... especially when starting off .
I would get this straight 10" ( hope i can post ashbys link )
http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.co.uk/prochem-glidemaster-wand-10-inch-stainless-steel-single-jet-ac1030-p-1676.html
Hoses ... 25ft of both solution and vac hose should be no more than 100 , try the carpetcleaningstore guy or others
TM3 would be a good addition if u can afford it , but it from where ever is cheapest .
or ... a used low speed rotary with a red scrub pad on it it will do the same job for a couple of 100 .
plenty will advise u about a simple chemical choice if u ask .
The main saving is the machine, cub being significantly cheaper. There are few other savings on other bits and pieces as well which I've not been able to find the same price or cheaper else where.
Would the single jet wand you recommend performe better then the twin jet? I've noted that with each supplier/manufacture the more jets there are the more expensive the price, so assumed the more jets the better?
The main reason for wanting the TM3 is for good agitation, but also thought they can be used for dry cleaning Sea grass and sisal?
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it dosnt look significantly cheaper to me :D it does look cheaper though :-X
the wand would be your own preference ...
I mostly use a simple straight 12" version of 10" link i sent u . ( i have the 10 also ) i do use it .
I just dont like s-bend
Performance ... the 10" would be easier to use in tight spaces and easier to handle in general imo
It would normally have a 3flow jet ... where as the twin jet might have two 1.5 jets ... gives u the same water fow overall
prices vary wildly .. you shoudl pay no more than 150 for a two jet s-bend
http://www.carpetcleanersstore.co.uk/product/twinjetwand
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I can fit a bucket under my cub?! Am I doing something wrong...?
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John, I am starting from scratch having to buy everything, so £300 saving is 'significant' amount to me.
I'm not to concerned on appearance either to be honest, the first impression the customer is going get of my company is me (apart from marketing ect) as long as I'm smartly presented and I can sell myself and do a good job, I'm hoping that will stand me I good stead.
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I can fit a bucket under my cub?! Am I doing something wrong...?
is this it ?
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/91938995-childs-red-spade-and-blue-sand-bucket-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=dAan0XrRK0ySouv7sxhzdk8t4PpHeNNCe8F74SPcg1ByIoCvoFSpHalu3cp2wxXH
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John, I am starting from scratch having to buy everything, so £300 saving is 'significant' amount to me.
I'm not to concerned on appearance either to be honest, the first impression the customer is going get of my company is me (apart from marketing ect) as long as I'm smartly presented and I can sell myself and do a good job, I'm hoping that will stand me I good stead.
what are u getting for 300 ?
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I can fit a bucket under my cub?! Am I doing something wrong...?
is this it ?
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/91938995-childs-red-spade-and-blue-sand-bucket-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=dAan0XrRK0ySouv7sxhzdk8t4PpHeNNCe8F74SPcg1ByIoCvoFSpHalu3cp2wxXH
Would you like a picture of a real bucket under a cub?!
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I can fit a bucket under my cub?! Am I doing something wrong...?
is this it ?
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/91938995-childs-red-spade-and-blue-sand-bucket-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=dAan0XrRK0ySouv7sxhzdk8t4PpHeNNCe8F74SPcg1ByIoCvoFSpHalu3cp2wxXH
Would you like a picture of a real bucket under a cub?!
if u want , there are different buckets .
I know what im talking about , like i said before years ago i picked up a used scorpion and the spotter thing and had it for a few months .
The spotter was the same base and therefore the same height as the cub , i only used it a couple of times cause water came through the vacs as quickly as u sucked it up .... but i had to lift it a bit to get it to the bucket ...and tilt it ...or tilt the bucket
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John, I am starting from scratch having to buy everything, so £300 saving is 'significant' amount to me.
I'm not to concerned on appearance either to be honest, the first impression the customer is going get of my company is me (apart from marketing ect) as long as I'm smartly presented and I can sell myself and do a good job, I'm hoping that will stand me I good stead.
what are u getting for 300 ?
The Cub is £300 cheaper then the 6.6 single vac mini when bought as part of a package. Clean smart don't offer any discount on the machine, only on the extras and chems, where as Solutions offer a discount on the machine as well as discount on the extras and chemicals.
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so how much is the overall package and what are u getting ... a wand , 25ft hose ... what else
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Hi Adam
Give Alltec a call and see if they have any deals on the Express machine including wand & hose.
Go for the electro motors and in-line heater set up.
Richard
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so how much is the overall package and what are u getting ... a wand , 25ft hose ... what else
It really depends on what you want from the package, basically both companies give you a list of options and you can pretty much cater it to your own preference. The accessories are pretty much the same price, apart from the TM3 being 20% cheaper from Solutions, and then the actual machine and chems are also more competitively priced in the solutions package.
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Hi Adam
Give Alltec a call and see if they have any deals on the Express machine including wand & hose.
Go for the electro motors and in-line heater set up.
Richard
Thanks for the advice Richard
I have already been in contact with Altec, and although really nice guys and helpful, again there package price wasn't as competitive. I did go on there one day course last month held by Paul Pearce, which was a great day, very knowledgable chap.
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are you sure the package is saving u 300 on the machine or are u just getting fairly low worth chemicals and stuff and thats making up the discount on the machine. As in is it like with like when u compare the two packages , exact same items .
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are you sure the package is saving u 300 on the machine or are u just getting fairly low worth chemicals and stuff and thats making up the discount on the machine. As in is it like with like when u compare the two packages , exact same items .
It's defiantly £300 cheaper for just the machine alone. As mentioned previously, then you pick your accessories which are similar price apart from the TM3 being cheaper at solutions and then the chems are cheaper as well from solutions.
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are you sure the package is saving u 300 on the machine or are u just getting fairly low worth chemicals and stuff and thats making up the discount on the machine. As in is it like with like when u compare the two packages , exact same items .
It's defiantly £300 cheaper for just the machine alone. As mentioned previously, then you pick your accessories which are similar price apart from the TM3 being cheaper at solutions and then the chems are cheaper as well from solutions.
ok ... so if u just buy the machine on its own without the package the difference is small right ?
and then u buy your wand and hose like i suggested ... thats about 1600
and u buy a couple of chemicals of you choice from wherever ...
how much is the difference between that and ' the package ' ?
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are you sure the package is saving u 300 on the machine or are u just getting fairly low worth chemicals and stuff and thats making up the discount on the machine. As in is it like with like when u compare the two packages , exact same items .
No not really small, if you buy the machine on its own its an extra £200 to the saving made when buying as a package and then the chems are massively discounted too. The two jet wand in the package is slightly more then the single jet wand in the link that you sent, but then your not comparing like with like on the wand.
It's defiantly £300 cheaper for just the machine alone. As mentioned previously, then you pick your accessories which are similar price apart from the TM3 being cheaper at solutions and then the chems are cheaper as well from solutions.
ok ... so if u just buy the machine on its own without the package the difference is small right ?
and then u buy your wand and hose like i suggested ... thats about 1600
and u buy a couple of chemicals of you choice from wherever ...
how much is the difference between that and ' the package ' ?
No not really small difference, the machine is £ 200 cheaper when bought in the package deal compared to buying on its own, then the chems are hugely discounted too. The two jet wand in the package is slightly more then the single jet wand you sent me the link for, but then your not comparing like for like.
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Adam, you cant compare chems like for like. There's a reason you pay more for certain brands of chems. They work better, faster, protect your machinery etc
Speak to Matt at CleanSmart and go for something like a Airflex Storm, Turbo or the Pro. Basically, get a full sized machine now! I personally couldn't be bothered fannying about with a small extractor. Your going to constantly be emptying and filling... boring and tiring! Much bigger tanks makes a huge difference. And more power makes........?
Think of it as an investment in your business not an expense. An asset that you can sell if you need to.
I take my Storm up and down 3rd story tenements all day long. Weight is not an issue as long as the machine is empty.
The other benefit of having a more powerful machine is that you'll be able to do 50" to 100" hose runs. So you'll be able to leave your machine outside while you do the whole house. Or leave the machine in the hall way downstairs while doing the rooms upstairs.
If your still determined to get the smaller machine then I personally wouldn't go for the cub! I've heard nothing but bad reviews with the whole design and function of the machines (expect the odd exception). Do you really want all that stress with emptying the machine after every carpet? Sounds like a royal pain in the bum! For a lousy £200 go for the better machine. You can make that back with one job and more. You'll thank me later.
Oh, and if you do go for the cub report back to us after a few weeks and let us know how it worked out for you :D
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Since making the switch from woc chemicals to decent stuff from Alltec and Restoremate I don't need to use my crb nowhere near as much.
I will be buying a duo soon as with decent chemicals you don't need to agitate for England.
That will save you £1k
But just go with what you think is best, people are just trying to stop you wasting money and time.
People on other forum will be telling you that they get great results, their business has leaped forward since using woc etc etc
Just remember some on their act like just normal carpet cleaners but they are also share holders in woc.
Don't get me wrong their are a few decent people on their.
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Adam, you cant compare chems like for like. There's a reason you pay more for certain brands of chems. They work better, faster, protect your machinery etc
Speak to Matt at CleanSmart and go for something like a Airflex Storm, Turbo or the Pro. Basically, get a full sized machine now! I personally couldn't be bothered fannying about with a small extractor. Your going to constantly be emptying and filling... boring and tiring! Much bigger tanks makes a huge difference. And more power makes........?
Think of it as an investment in your business not an expense. An asset that you can sell if you need to.
I take my Storm up and down 3rd story tenements all day long. Weight is not an issue as long as the machine is empty.
The other benefit of having a more powerful machine is that you'll be able to do 50" to 100" hose runs. So you'll be able to leave your machine outside while you do the whole house. Or leave the machine in the hall way downstairs while doing the rooms upstairs.
If your still determined to get the smaller machine then I personally wouldn't go for the cub! I've heard nothing but bad reviews with the whole design and function of the machines (expect the odd exception). Do you really want all that stress with emptying the machine after every carpet? Sounds like a royal pain in the bum! For a lousy £200 go for the better machine. You can make that back with one job and more. You'll thank me later.
Oh, and if you do go for the cub report back to us after a few weeks and let us know how it worked out for you :D
Thanks for the feedback, I did mention in one of my earlier posts that I would be adding a bigger machine later on down the line. What I'm looking from this purchase is something that will do the job, but is also light and easy to move around (running up flights of stairs to a 3rd or 4th flat with a 40-50kg machine wouldn't work for me personally).
I'm not sure what you mean with regards to spending the extra £200 for a better machine. Are we then back to the mini? If that's the case, I think the cub is the better one for what I need, it's lighter and has bigger solution tanks, and it's £300 cheaper.
It's going to be a while yet, but when I do, I will be sure to give you my feedback on the machine and if it was the right choice. :D
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Get the alltec express and be done with it :)
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Adam, you cant compare chems like for like. There's a reason you pay more for certain brands of chems. They work better, faster, protect your machinery etc
Speak to Matt at CleanSmart and go for something like a Airflex Storm, Turbo or the Pro. Basically, get a full sized machine now! I personally couldn't be bothered fannying about with a small extractor. Your going to constantly be emptying and filling... boring and tiring! Much bigger tanks makes a huge difference. And more power makes........?
Think of it as an investment in your business not an expense. An asset that you can sell if you need to.
I take my Storm up and down 3rd story tenements all day long. Weight is not an issue as long as the machine is empty.
The other benefit of having a more powerful machine is that you'll be able to do 50" to 100" hose runs. So you'll be able to leave your machine outside while you do the whole house. Or leave the machine in the hall way downstairs while doing the rooms upstairs.
If your still determined to get the smaller machine then I personally wouldn't go for the cub! I've heard nothing but bad reviews with the whole design and function of the machines (expect the odd exception). Do you really want all that stress with emptying the machine after every carpet? Sounds like a royal pain in the bum! For a lousy £200 go for the better machine. You can make that back with one job and more. You'll thank me later.
Oh, and if you do go for the cub report back to us after a few weeks and let us know how it worked out for you :D
Thanks for the feedback, I did mention in one of my earlier posts that I would be adding a bigger machine later on down the line. What I'm looking from this purchase is something that will do the job, but is also light and easy to move around (running up flights of stairs to a 3rd or 4th flat with a 40-50kg machine wouldn't work for me personally).
I'm not sure what you mean with regards to spending the extra £200 for a better machine. Are we then back to the mini? If that's the case, I think the cub is the better one for what I need, it's lighter and has bigger solution tanks, and it's £300 cheaper.
It's going to be a while yet, but when I do, I will be sure to give you my feedback on the machine and if it was the right choice. :D
Well if buying twice makes sense to you then go right ahead Adam. Seems like your mind was made up over buying the Cub anyway.
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I won't go above 1st floor flats w/o a lift unless there is someone there to help me carry everything up and back down.
Did a 2nd floor one the other week, guy was a 25 year old plasterer, he took the Ninja up for me.
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So in my opinion go straight for the bigger machine..........plenty of flats round here but think I did around 9 or 10 last year above ground floor with no lift so no big deal.
On 2 of them I left the machine on the ground floor anyway and ran the hose up the middle of the stairwell.
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Adam, you cant compare chems like for like. There's a reason you pay more for certain brands of chems. They work better, faster, protect your machinery etc
Speak to Matt at CleanSmart and go for something like a Airflex Storm, Turbo or the Pro. Basically, get a full sized machine now! I personally couldn't be bothered fannying about with a small extractor. Your going to constantly be emptying and filling... boring and tiring! Much bigger tanks makes a huge difference. And more power makes........?
Think of it as an investment in your business not an expense. An asset that you can sell if you need to.
I take my Storm up and down 3rd story tenements all day long. Weight is not an issue as long as the machine is empty.
The other benefit of having a more powerful machine is that you'll be able to do 50" to 100" hose runs. So you'll be able to leave your machine outside while you do the whole house. Or leave the machine in the hall way downstairs while doing the rooms upstairs.
If your still determined to get the smaller machine then I personally wouldn't go for the cub! I've heard nothing but bad reviews with the whole design and function of the machines (expect the odd exception). Do you really want all that stress with emptying the machine after every carpet? Sounds like a royal pain in the bum! For a lousy £200 go for the better machine. You can make that back with one job and more. You'll thank me later.
Oh, and if you do go for the cub report back to us after a few weeks and let us know how it worked out for you :D
Thanks for the feedback, I did mention in one of my earlier posts that I would be adding a bigger machine later on down the line. What I'm looking from this purchase is something that will do the job, but is also light and easy to move around (running up flights of stairs to a 3rd or 4th flat with a 40-50kg machine wouldn't work for me personally).
I'm not sure what you mean with regards to spending the extra £200 for a better machine. Are we then back to the mini? If that's the case, I think the cub is the better one for what I need, it's lighter and has bigger solution tanks, and it's £300 cheaper.
It's going to be a while yet, but when I do, I will be sure to give you my feedback on the machine and if it was the right choice. :D
Well if buying twice makes sense to you then go right ahead Adam. Seems like your mind was made up over buying the Cub anyway.
Does it not make sense to have one large main machine for daily use and one smaller machine for jobs where access is an issue or as a back up? I never really saw it as buying twice before, I thought that was the norm set up, but I am a newbie, so apologies if I have got this wrong, it's all a learning curve at the moment.
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I won't go above 1st floor flats w/o a lift unless there is someone there to help me carry everything up and back down.
Did a 2nd floor one the other week, guy was a 25 year old plasterer, he took the Ninja up for me.
Thanks for your advice, but I have to ask, wouldn't a smaller back up machine resolve the issue?
Another question if I may, because I do like the idea of having a machine in a hall way and then running hose up to the flat, but how do you then dispose of the old water? Sorry if that's an obvious daft newbie question, but I have been lead to believe it has to go down a toilet?
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Personally I would go full size machine first as this will do everything! Then as you build up your business and if you feel the need you can add a smaller machine.
Bet you don't consider getting one! As full size will do everything for you.
Just my thoughts!
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My cub does every size job, its the same amount of buckets whatever size portable machine, same amount of filling too, it is light has ample power and is just a small cog in my business, the marketing machine being the most important one.
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My cub does every size job, its the same amount of buckets whatever size portable machine, same amount of filling too, it is light has ample power and is just a small cog in my business, the marketing machine being the most important one.
But if the marketing is working good you have to get the work done quick and Efficiently ? Each to their own but i can help feel its slowing u down . Bet if got a full size machine with heat you would never go back . :)
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:)
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One thing to remember as a newbie is its the results that matter do a good job people get you back and will recommend you . Your machine will never be a selling point . Much as people go on about I've got this machine and that machine or truck mount the customers don't give a toss they know nothing about what you use and don't care as long as they get a clean carpet .
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My Cub came yesterday... Let me show you the bucket challange to sort the debate out once and for all. Will a bucket fit under the waste outlet without tilting it? https://youtu.be/1g9q_8VNBa4
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Is that a small flowerpot or a bucket .
Anyway wait til clean a puke stain and it's lodged in the bottom inch ....youl be lifting and tilting then.
At best it's a low spec spotter .
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;D at above comment.
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Think John has a bone to pick with Nick......my Ninja tank is the same.......and a bucket just fits under but I do have right angled bend on it.
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Darran, a bucket can fit, but you do need to tilt it and wobble it about to empty it as an inch the waste outlet is higher than the base of the machine. Stupid design and annoying!
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But Ed says its not a design fault - but a thought about design better than others ;D
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Dave, not sure about everyone else but i never fill my bucket right to the brim... otherwise you'll be making more work for yourself. The bucket we use slides easily underneath and back out again without having to tilt it. The video shows that!
Even if the tank needs two, three visits to empty it, it doesn't bother me.
Even if I have to tilt the machine, I'm not bothered by it. What bothers me is making sure the customer is happy with the result.
What might be a niggle/gripe for some, doesn't mean it is for another operator!
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I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.
Has bucketgate ended ???
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I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.
Has bucketgate ended ???
There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol
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Dave, not sure about everyone else but i never fill my bucket right to the brim... otherwise you'll be making more work for yourself. The bucket we use slides easily underneath and back out again without having to tilt it. The video shows that!
Even if the tank needs two, three visits to empty it, it doesn't bother me.
Even if I have to tilt the machine, I'm not bothered by it. What bothers me is making sure the customer is happy with the result.
What might be a niggle/gripe for some, doesn't mean it is for another operator!
What Dave and John are talking about is the last inch or so of waste water inside of the WASTE TANK. To empty this waste water, you'll need to tilt the machine to get it out of the machine. Nothing to do with getting a bucket under the machine or about how many trips you have to make to empty the machine.
If you enjoy the hassle of tilting the machine several times a day then you have got the right machine for your business. Well done.
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I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.
Has bucketgate ended ???
There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol
Yeah that makes sense!
Next thing jag owners will be telling us is we aren't any good at our job because we don't use woc. Lol
Jesting
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Not exactly an hassle tilting the machine...takes about 5 seconds when wheeling it back to van.
It's usually empty anyway as when I rinse it out at the end of the job I tilt usually into the garden.
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Hi guys,
Surely you'd just open the gate valve and let it go down the drain wouldn't you?
Or am I missing something?
Jen
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The gap is no mystery or no design its simply this ...
The cub (or jag ) is no overall design as such ... its three simple molds , the cub had two rectangular containers on top
bit like this
http://www.tanks-direct.co.uk/10-50_litre_water_tanks/32_ltr_water_tank
To mount the waste gate u first have to put a tank connector in place to hold the wastgate .. a bit like this
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2100/a951f/products/485/images/1012/Hansen_Outlet02__59607.1346754102.1280.1280.png?c=2
as u can see u cant mount this right down the bottom of the tank as u need to leave a small space for the bits that tighten the holepipe of the connector in place .... then u connect the waste gate to that .
A modern machine is more of a design unit and has a molded tank bottom with a slope to flush the waste out and a lowered waste gate fitting to ensure all waste id removed .
The point i was making is why ...oh why would u go for these outdated flawed ' designs ' when there is better available to u
...in every way from , quality , power , heat , ergonomics , manoeuvrability .
And u guys using these single vacs as a ' main ' extractor ' ? u need to step your game up and improve your efficiency and make life easier for yourselves.
If the likes of ED.V or the Nick guy was getting back into carpet cleaning again do u think they would be using a cub ... hell no , there would be power and heat involved , they all had multi vac machines or Tms and lots of Heat !
those guys are laughing at you all :)
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The gap is no mystery or no design its simply this ...
The cub (or jag ) is no overall design as such ... its three simple molds , the cub had two rectangular containers on top
bit like this
http://www.tanks-direct.co.uk/10-50_litre_water_tanks/32_ltr_water_tank
To mount the waste gate u first have to put a tank connector in place to hold the wastgate .. a bit like this
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2100/a951f/products/485/images/1012/Hansen_Outlet02__59607.1346754102.1280.1280.png?c=2
as u can see u cant mount this right down the bottom of the tank as u need to leave a small space for the bits that tighten the holepipe of the connector in place .... then u connect the waste gate to that .
A modern machine is more of a design unit and has a molded tank bottom with a slope to flush the waste out and a lowered waste gate fitting to ensure all waste id removed .
The point i was making is why ...oh why would u go for these outdated flawed ' designs ' when there is better available to u
...in every way from , quality , power , heat , ergonomics , manoeuvrability .
And u guys using these single vacs as a ' main ' extractor ' ? u need to step your game up and improve your efficiency and make life easier for yourselves.
If the likes of ED.V or the Nick guy was getting back into carpet cleaning again do u think they would be using a cub ... hell no , there would be power and heat involved , they all had multi vac machines or Tms and lots of Heat !
those guys are laughing at you all :)
very difficult to argue with that.
So yes, you can get by with a cub but why would you.
Have pride in your business
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Just a point about the full size 8.4 jag.
I was reading a post on ct from someone who had just purchased one and he was saying (like its a good thing) "it's so powerful you can see the tank bow because of the suction."
If my tank bowed when I turn it on I would be very concerned about the build quality.
Just saying!
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I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.
Has bucketgate ended ???
There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol
Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?
I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.
This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath. I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there. Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?
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Ever wondered why the party seems to be going on at the other end of the table guys?
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I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.
Has bucketgate ended ???
There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol
Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?
I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.
This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath. I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there. Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?
Just to make it absolutely clear Adam. I have no grievance with Solutions, its owner or the makers of the machine. I have bought a couple of their chems in the past but that's all the connection I have with them. I've never been a member of their forum. You asked for an opinion (I think lol) and you got one.
I cant speak for the others but I was trying to point you in the right direction. I wish when I started 14 years ago that I had someone or a forum or the internet to point me in the right direction.
This is quite a hard physical job. As well as the manual labour part of it, you dealing with customers, marketing, answering the phone and doing sales, answering questions etc etc So why put more obsitcales in your way to make life harder? for the sake of a few hundred pounds more, why not buy a better machine to do the best possible job and make life easier on your self?
The mind truly boggles with some of the rubbish I hear on here sometimes.
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Ever wondered why the party seems to be going on at the other end of the table guys?
Usual gibberish from you :-*
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I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.
Has bucketgate ended ???
There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol
Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?
I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.
This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath. I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there. Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?
Just to make it absolutely clear Adam. I have no grievance with Solutions, its owner or the makers of the machine. I have bought a couple of their chems in the past but that's all the connection I have with them. I've never been a member of their forum. You asked for an opinion (I think lol) and you got one.
I cant speak for the others but I was trying to point you in the right direction. I wish when I started 14 years ago that I had someone or a forum or the internet to point me in the right direction.
This is quite a hard physical job. As well as the manual labour part of it, you dealing with customers, marketing, answering the phone and doing sales, answering questions etc etc So why put more obsitcales in your way to make life harder? for the sake of a few hundred pounds more, why not buy a better machine to do the best possible job and make life easier on your self?
The mind truly boggles with some of the rubbish I hear on here sometimes.
Wasn't aiming my previous comments at you directly, just can't help but feel I'm not getting an unbiased opinion from some.
Would be a great help if you could tell me what machine you use for those jobs where access with a 40-50kg machine isn't physically possible, and any feedback on that machine, good points and bad.
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That's a bit harsh carpet dawg, it was a serious question.....
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I think originally the outlet had a bend in it so bucket didn't fit, but as can clearly be seen bucket now fits.
Has bucketgate ended ???
There is a U bend that comes with waste tank valves. The one in the video has had the U bend removed. It just slides on and off. I prefer the U bend being there as it directs the waste water straight in to the bucket. Without it it'll splash all over the place unless slowly release the valve and potentially have to angle the bucket as the water will have a tendency to go straight out rather than down. If that makes sense lol
Isn't this getting a little bit daft now chaps?
I'm a complete newbie to all this, I have no alliance to Solutions, clean smart or any other manufacture, I was just looking for an unbiased review on a couple of machines from those who have and use them on a daily bases. However I can't help think there are a couple here who have a personal grievance towards any Solutions products and I'm not getting a truly unbiased opinion from some.
This whole thing about it's a flawed design because a bucket doesn't fit underneath. We have a video clearly showing that a bucket does fit underneath. I then read this comment about it only fitting because the s bend that slides on and off has been removed and how much better it is to have the s bend there. Surly if the s bend slides on and off and it's beneficial to have the s bend on there, would you not slide the s bend off, slide the bucket underneath and slide the s bend back on?
Just to make it absolutely clear Adam. I have no grievance with Solutions, its owner or the makers of the machine. I have bought a couple of their chems in the past but that's all the connection I have with them. I've never been a member of their forum. You asked for an opinion (I think lol) and you got one.
I cant speak for the others but I was trying to point you in the right direction. I wish when I started 14 years ago that I had someone or a forum or the internet to point me in the right direction.
This is quite a hard physical job. As well as the manual labour part of it, you dealing with customers, marketing, answering the phone and doing sales, answering questions etc etc So why put more obsitcales in your way to make life harder? for the sake of a few hundred pounds more, why not buy a better machine to do the best possible job and make life easier on your self?
The mind truly boggles with some of the rubbish I hear on here sometimes.
Wasn't aiming my previous comments at you directly, just can't help but feel I'm not getting an unbiased opinion from some.
Would be a great help if you could tell me what machine you use for those jobs where access with a 40-50kg machine isn't physically possible, and any feedback on that machine, good points and bad.
Im probably in the biased camp :-X
With good design u are rarly if ever taking the full weight of these machines ... watch vid -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSPHcFVxS9Q
If you have a full size twin vac with good vacs should be able to run hose from it upstairs in almost all situations , leaving the machine downstairs or outside the door
For you ..perhaps leave the TM3 for now ( if u were buying one ) and spend that money on a good full size twin vac .... get heat if u can as its cheaper than an external ... yes inline heat is best used at about 25ft but u will be working at short rang a lot of the time anyway .
In place of the tm3 just use a carpet brush to scrub in the prespray .
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This is the reason this forum is so good
You can give an honest opinion.
People have and can voice their own opinion and it doesn't have to be the same as forum owner.
You can take it or leave it your choice.
If you want biased opinion that's censored ask about that machine on ct.
Am I against ct, woc or Nick? No not really, I don't use them because I had shocking customer service from them with a don't care attitude.
I am banned from ct tho. Not because I said something negative about them but because I was not actively promoting them on here.
So if you use this forum and ct and don't promote woc, Nick etc you could get banned from his forum.
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Adam as I explained I was thinking about the same 2 macines and it was only after talking to John at Restormate who is probably one of the most knowledgeable people in this industry that I took his advice and went for the airflex mini. I have never had any dealings with woc. I have 220 psi adjustable pump and inline heater in mine and it has tackled everything I have thrown at it.
My decision was made purely on advice.
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John Martin that is the worst advise I have ever heard anyone give ref using a broom to agitate over a Tm3 and get a bigger extraction machine , I could get far better results using a Tm3 and a cub every time and who the hell wants to broom a carpet in this day and age !!!
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David I completely agree, that is thee worst advise I have heard in a long time, a good agitation machine is essential if consistently good results are required. A tm3 coupled with a cub or airflex will give great results as long as the correct solution for the job is used.
Having read through this thread I'm amazed at the desperate crapy bilge being offered as good advice.... And saying that a cub is nothing but an underperforming spotter is pathetic in the extreme and makes the individual look vindictive and stupid...at best. Do I have a cub? No would I get one? Possibly if it suited my need.
My machine is an airflex pro and I needed to get it up the out side concrete stairs of a second floor flat in the rain and it dam near killed me! I'm now thinking of a small extraction machine for these jobs and the cub looks like it may fit the bill. I know a few colleagues who have one and they love it, - ever see one second hand.......if you do let me know and I will snap it up!
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Got to agree tm3/4, host are great for agitation but if I was starting out I would buy a machine with heat and a sebo duo and a brush for resetting pile.
Admittedly I don't feel the need of my host so much now because I don't use poor solutions.
If you go down the detergent free route your best off with decent crb.
But I still feel you would be better off with full size machine to start then add a smaller one at later date if you feel it's required. Even if it's a full size jag
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This thread was flagged up to me by a fellow CC. He told me that I wouldn't believe some of the comments on here. I'm only an occasional visitor so had missed what was happening.
I'm not impartial in this as I have a cub. Its my back up machine and for areas of poor accessibility. The rest of the time I use a full size machine from the van.
Is it a good machine? I think for a small easily transportable machine it is. I've had no reliability problems in 2 years of use. My bucket fits underneath the outlet even with the bend in place. I may have to tilt the bucket slightly but thankfully god gave me the dexterous ability to tilt a bucket slightly as I remove it. He also gave me the ability to tilt the machine slightly at the end of a clean to empty the last dregs from the waste tank. Its not hard and its not rocket science.
Are there better similar machines? To be honest I don't know as the cub fitted my requirements so i bought it.
Comments have been made that light weight is unimportant. For me I cannot agree. I bought this for difficult access areas. Flats without lifts or narrow staircases. With the cub I can simply pick it up and carry it up the stirs to where i want it. No need to worry about pulling it up the stairs. Unless you are part of a travelling circus you can easily do the same.
Best advice I've seen on here is that you should try both machines before you buy.
Not sure where you are but you're welcome to have a go with my cub
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Oh, and the worst advice - use a pile brush - WTF
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David I completely agree, that is thee worst advise I have heard in a long time, a good agitation machine is essential if consistently good results are required. A tm3 coupled with a cub or airflex will give great results as long as the correct solution for the job is used.
Having read through this thread I'm amazed at the desperate crapy bilge being offered as good advice.... And saying that a cub is nothing but an underperforming spotter is pathetic in the extreme and makes the individual look vindictive and stupid...at best. Do I have a cub? No would I get one? Possibly if it suited my need.
My machine is an airflex pro and I needed to get it up the out side concrete stairs of a second floor flat in the rain and it dam near killed me! I'm now thinking of a small extraction machine for these jobs and the cub looks like it may fit the bill. I know a few colleagues who have one and they love it, - ever see one second hand.......if you do let me know and I will snap it up!
Well stated Carl, you can have all the bells and whistles when it comes to equipment, but when it comes down to the extraction of soils from carpets and upholstery the most important factor is having the correct safe and effective cleaning solutions for the task at hand.
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Oh, and the worst advice - use a pile brush - WTF
What did people do before crb? its only the last few years they've gained popularity.
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I don't think he was suggesting pile brush is better than a crb.
This thread was about starting out on a budget!
But if you go down the detergent free route with cold water you do need a crb.
If you use decent chemicals and heat you can get away with pile brush but it's hard work better off getting sebo duo.
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What did people do before crb? its only the last few years they've gained popularity.
Its progress. Nobody with one would go back to a pile brush so to advise somebody starting up to do that is simply bad advice
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What did people do before crb? its only the last few years they've gained popularity.
Its progress. Nobody with one would go back to a pile brush so to advise somebody starting up to do that is simply bad advice
I used a full size CRB today , i was probably using one before cleantalk told u guys it might help compensate for the dire performance of the plant detergent :)
Sean is right , the pile brush suggestion was to make the best of his very limited budget for now .
How could be face filthy upholstery /carpets armed with a single vac cold water spotter .
A proper heated twin vac , be it the express/mini or a full size machine and some proper chemicals would be far more capable .
Most apart newbies and the odd old timer grow out of the cleantalk machines and phoney potions so i was just helping him avoid the pitfall and move straight to productivity :)
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Why try to insult someone because they have a different opinion to yourself?
Has anybody said anything stupid?
Apart from comment above
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I have followed this interesting theme.
I have not got a cub so cant talk from experience we run a TM but have a small prochem bravo for small spotting situations. Hardly ever use it 2 or 3 times a year.
All portables or spotting machines will have advantages and disadvantages but what I can say in the defending the cub is the same as someone else as said you never see them for sale carpet cleaner keep them.
If they were so poor they would be sold on.
See a lot of prochem machines for sale but hardly any of Nicks machines on ebay.
I would like to set up a row of portables in a room with the hoses running into another rooms with identical wand and see who can identify which hose is attached to which machine.
There probably would not a be a great difference.
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I think any small, light machine which is capable of doing 25 to 50 feet of hose is a good choice to have on the van. Knowing that you can lift the machine up stairs etc for flats & difficult access areas gives you peace of mind you don't have to turn work down.
These newer middle performance machines with a single 6.6 or 2x 5.7 motors are capable of doing a good job and lifting enough water to get good drying times so long as they are used right. You get good performance in a little, lighter weight body.
The choice simply comes down to how much you are prepared to pay and which supplier you like more - go for the Cub which is a good sucker and cheaper, or go for an Airflex Mini/Alltec machine and have more refinement, more choice on spec but pay a bit more.
They will both serve you well, the Mini's will be easier to work on but again some people get others to service/repair any way.
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This was not about the OP looking for a handy lightweight for doing the odd spot job in someones attic .
He is looking for a primary use extractor to start a business .
one 6.6 is not the same a s two 5.7s so don't lump them together .
One 6.6 is 25ft machine ... two good 5.7s like the electros ca be used at 70ft ...or will give vastly better performance at 25ft compared to a 6.6.
I started out with a square extracta single vac machine ( at least it had heat ) leaving it outside each room i did ... i could even carry it upstairs in my arms . But its a far less efficient way of working than leaving a good heated twinvac in one place and reaching around to several rooms with a longer hose . also i now get better drying and productivity in general even at close range ...
All these cub heads talk the same cleantalk language ... ' its so light weight '... ' punches above its weight ' etc
Iv seen people like russ chadd used to talk like that at one time ... ' the jag was the future of machine performance ' etc then he tried an Enforcer and a high spec Alltec express and was blown away by the performance , heat and build quality .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQTQjPKXkvI
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I understand what you are saying John and agree with a lot of what you say - i have just gone for the 2x 5.7 parallel set up as opposed to one 6.6 as it will perform better as far as i can see.
I am not blinkered by the Cleantalk crowd - far from it. I just think some of the good stuff you say gets lost in your rant sometimes directed at Solutions. The Cub, for its faults, is far from a spotting machine as you said - it will be capable to work with.
And again i agree - much better to get a good main machine first like a full blown Airflex or Enforcer which will perform much better and on longer hose runs and then get a little machine after