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UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JandS on February 29, 2016, 10:12:54 am
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Where do you guys source it from.......I have 2 patios of my own that are in a bad way and also by the sounds of it my M in Laws patio to do.........not a massive area so won't be wanting 25 liters plus of it....unless of course it's at a good price.
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I get mine from a company called oaasis they supply tools and cleaning equipment to oil industry cost £14.50 for 20 litres
Swimming pool suppliers would be a good bet
Darran
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Would you spray it on and jet wash off or jet it first to get rid of thick then lay it down. My front and back patio.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1456744888_20160229_104735.jpg)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1456744962_20160228_124429.jpg)
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I get mine from a local place in Liverpool but I pay a few more pounds than Darran does, I think it just on £20 - 20 litres.
That patio isn't really that bad tbh mate, I would get a bucket put approx 2 ltr hypo 6 ltr water and quarter of a bottle of fairy liquid
Wet the floor with hose pipe and then brush the mix into the surface, by the time you brushed it in set up ur machine it will be ready to go, or leave to dwell for 20 mins, or upto an hour if you want.
Tbh that will prob come good without hypo, and where's it going when u spray it off, maybe do a smaller mix and give a good scrub then hose off hypo then pressure wash.
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I always pw first then hypo - leave for 15 to 20 minutes then rinse off
Darran
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Yes think it looks worse than it is...never known it look that bad before though after a Winter....M in Laws is the same across the road.
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Delivery costs are £32 which is twice the cost of the product.
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Countrywide stores £15 20ltrs
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Ray would you post a link for it, struggling to find. Thanks in advance
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Hi Mark .try countrywide farmers
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Save your money, you don't need hypo on that it's not that bad.
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Would you spray it on and jet wash off or jet it first to get rid of thick then lay it down. My front and back patio.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1456744888_20160229_104735.jpg)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1456744962_20160228_124429.jpg)
To be honest with those flags you don't need to use a pressure washer at all if you did not want to or don't have one.
All you need is the following:
1. an outside tap, hose reel long enough with adjustable fan nozzle on the end.
2. a deck stiff scrubbing brush
3. window cleaner’s oblong bucket or painter oblong pale
4. one 20 litre container of sodium hypochlorite 14-15%
5. chepo telescopic car brush (can just use the brush and screw it onto a 5m harris pole if you like as then comes in handy for applying hypo on wall too)
6. wear old clothes
7. eye protection
8. decent rubber gloves
9. wellies
How to apply:
1. give the area a quick sweep
2. wet down with the hose any run off areas like grass, plants, shrubs, boards etc
3. wet down the slabs
4. roughly half fill the oblong bucket with tap water
5. top the bucket up with hypo so you have roughly a 7% mix - were gloves and eye protection as if it splashes in your eyes you will know about it and try not to splash it on your old cloths too.
6. slap the hypo on with the car brush & use the stiff deck brush to adjitate.
7. try not let the area dry out and apply more hypo on bad areas if need be.
8. allow enough time at least 20 mins to let the hypo do its magic
9. rinse down with a hose including soaking grass etc again just to make sure.
Job done
Warning: Keep pets, kids and adults off the area whilst still wet and don't let anyone including yourself track hypo into your house. Do not use hypo anywhere near a pond for obvious reasons.
Pressure washing will blow out lose pointing so that's why on some jobs I just use hypo otherwise on bad pointing it just looks a mess afterwards. Hypo will kill the algae and any black spots so will look a lot cleaner than if just used a pressure washer.
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Cheers smudger. .smurf et al....will give it a quick Pw as it is mine so no time constraints then SH brush in and rinse off as in smurfs post and thanks for the info everyone.
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No probs...Using a pw on the front bit looks a bit tricky drainage wise as the soil looks higher than the slabs in places.
Might need to do a bit of digging so the water can flow away ok. If I have any issues with drainage normally I tend to use a wet vac so to remove any wet sludge pooling around the edges etc just to finish it off nice and tidy.
Don't forget to give it a good rinse down after using the pw as those raven (uneven) slabs tend to hold in the dirty.
To rinse down I tend to switch over to soap ( black low pressure nozzle) or use a vario on low pressure so has good fan spray coverage to rinse.
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Cheers....all the garden is actually below the slabs....have a couple of wet vacs so no problem there.....just want a nice w/e now....next question what do you charge the Mother in Law....looks like another family freebie...bit like the carpet cleaning....once again thank you all for your input much appreciated and will try to remember to post some after pics.
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Cheers....all the garden is actually below the slabs....have a couple of wet vacs so no problem there.....just want a nice w/e now....next question what do you charge the Mother in Law....looks like another family freebie...bit like the carpet cleaning....once again thank you all for your input much appreciated and will try to remember to post some after pics.
My philosophy is to charge all relatives double because you do it for nothing and they moan twice as much ;D ;D
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Cheers....all the garden is actually below the slabs....have a couple of wet vacs so no problem there.....just want a nice w/e now....next question what do you charge the Mother in Law....looks like another family freebie...bit like the carpet cleaning....once again thank you all for your input much appreciated and will try to remember to post some after pics.
My philosophy is to charge all relatives double because you do it for nothing and they moan twice as much ;D ;D
Oh so true!
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If just starting out at and want to practice (gain experience) on jobs like that on family members property at least charge them something or you will be out of pocket for the hypo used and/or fuel for the pw let alone your time.
Don’t forget to take some decent before & after pics too as can be used on your site etc
Also goes without saying make sure you are fully insured to do pressure washing/using chems including property being worked on.
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No Smurf just family at the mo.....only got a 1750psi Stihl pressure washer I bought about 10 years ago.
Going to start offering it to customers though and see where it goes as I see you can buy a decent petrol one for just under a grand.
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To offer pressure washing as a service and tackle pressure washing jobs properly/efficiently you will defo need a decent washer of at least 13hp 3000psi with a flow rate of at least 15 litres per min. Min Turbo nozzle, flat surface cleaner etc or will take forever on the likes of block paving.
I remember seeing an old boy across the road from where I was working sat on a chair in his driveway trying to clean a block paver at a time with something like you have. By the time I had finished the whole drive I was cleaning the old boy had moved his chair once. Bless him ;D
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Yes I've seen the videos on youtube with the guys with the proper gear....what takes me an hour takes them 20 mins.
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If you can spend a grand go a few hundred more, and get a brand new set up, it will pay for itself.
I bought a set up last year and had me money back within 2 months easy, for now it's just another service that's provided for the customers, but I wouldn't be without it
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Thinking around £1500 max.
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Also look out for like new hardly used kit on fleebay as if your lucky can grab a bargain and save yourself a fortune buying new.
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Who needs a washer when hypo does a better job on filthy, black dot & green algae stained slabs ;D
No dirty overspray blasted everywhere to clean up or mortar removed from between the slabs unlike using a washer
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Now your getting the idea!!
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Now your getting the idea!!
Pink dot work trousers are very becoming too ;D
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;D
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I also cleaned the render walls on that house with hypo to remove the green algae but don't tell anyone. ;D
Just applyed it by wfp with an old vikan brush dipping into a bucket of the stuff. Trouble was on the side was part stones and the rest was filthy concreat on quite a bad slope. By the time I had finish there was a nice trail of cleaned concrete drive where the hypo bucket stood and ran down the drive... Oops! as the lady put it "oh well that's another job for another day you can do then " :D
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Jet washed...hypo and agitate...good rinse off...what's happened....glad it's mine.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1457637694_20160307_121703.jpg)
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Got a before picture ??
Darran
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The patio was glazed on the surface and the hypo has taken the top layer off :(
Good job this is yours and not a customers ! Hypo has its purpose but not for every surface you come across
Ed
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You sure about that....these are over 10 years old and jet washed about 3 times every year.
Surely the glaze is long gone.
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You sure about that....these are over 10 years old and jet washed about 3 times every year.
Surely the glaze is long gone.
So the last time you cleaned it before without using hypo did it look like that afterwards?
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Glazed as in colour..... Not a polish or sealant
Looking at your before pic .... You are only removing organic soiling ie algae . No need for hypo
Ed
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From experience I could use a pressure washer all day long but it still will not totally remove bad algae and black spot staining without causing damage to the substrate.
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Jet washed...hypo and agitate...good rinse off...what's happened....glad it's mine.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1457637694_20160307_121703.jpg)
Hypo is what happened, what strength hypo did you use and at what dilution rate did you use it at. more and more facility managers are banning the use of bleach (sodium hypochlorite) from being used in their facilities both on interior and exterior surfaces. I think finally people are realizing as to why hypo is so detrimental. I also promise i will never again get involved in a post on hypo enough said. Tadgh
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Any remedies or am I going to get it re laid......was thinking about that anyway that's why I wasn't too bothered.
Would prefer a remedy for the time being.
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What strength hypo did you put down and how long did you leave it on for?
Were they as bad as before the last time you cleaned them (seem patchy like that when dry)?
Did you ever put a sealer on those slabs or do you know if you did not get them put down did the prievious owner?
All my time using hypo I've never seen slabs look like that afterwards but I have seen a few very old slabs like that before looking patchy whilst giving quotes and put it down to natural weathering.
Are you sure they are only ten years old as look like they are much older than that?
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Hypo at 2:1 water to hypo.
This time they were the worst they have ever been after a Winter.
They could well be older, my brother laid them will ask him and no I haven't put a sealer on them,
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Thanks...
How long did you let the hypo sit for before rinsing off?
Was it 14-15% Sodium Hypochlorite you bought before diluting it down?
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From experience I could use a pressure washer all day long but it still will not totally remove bad algae and black spot staining without causing damage to the substrate.
Depending on the surface your referring to cleaning Smurf, low pressure and heat will remove algae and lichen
J & S
2:1 mix of 15% hypo was too strong . Remember that hypo reacts a lot slower in the winter months due to the temperature so allow more dwell time. I would imagine that you have saturated the surface with hypo rather than a light spray !
Ed
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Would you spray it on and jet wash off or jet it first to get rid of thick then lay it down. My front and back patio.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1456744888_20160229_104735.jpg)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1456744962_20160228_124429.jpg)
If you look at the before pic I can see quite clearly that the slabs are already looking worn (patchy) similar to the after pic so I don't think hypo had caused the problem in the first place myself. Just now it looks a whole lot cleaner it obviously stands out more.
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From experience I could use a pressure washer all day long but it still will not totally remove bad algae and black spot staining without causing damage to the substrate.
Depending on the surface your referring to cleaning Smurf, low pressure and heat will remove algae and lichen
J & S
2:1 mix of 15% hypo was too strong . Remember that hypo reacts a lot slower in the winter months due to the temperature so allow more dwell time. I would imagine that you have saturated the surface with hypo rather than a light spray !
Ed
Sorry I should have said cold pressure washer not using something like a doff type system
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Well done for pasting the picture smurf, I couldn't be asked to look, but as I suspected there is clearly wear to the slabs, the hypo may at the very worst highlighted this, where the slabs originally had a lustre finish which over time has worn away, without being rude they look a cheap paver.
The best way would have been to have a pic of them cleaned and dry before the hypo.
Personally I have yet to see hypo do damage to any flag or paving slab, I've used it from 5:1 upto neat.
I have however seen pavers look like this, usually these textured types, smooth seem to age better, but can still show colour change on heavy trafficked areas.
Darran