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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: telfordwindowclnr on February 17, 2016, 07:44:42 am
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen whose current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggadocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
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What's that got to do with leading a fulfilling life? Some have completely opposite priorities but have better lives. Some can't spell whilst others are better educated than you. As it's a window cleaning forum you would automatically expect windowcleaners to frequent it would you not? Maybe you re on the wrong forum particularly as you seem to be the most disgruntled member on here?
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What's that got to do with leading a fulfilling life? Some have completely opposite priorities but have better lives.
Couldn't agree more.
Leading a full filling life doesn't mean having a successful business and loads of cash.
To some, work is the 10%. They spend the 10% working to pay there way and look after there families, and the 90% is spent with family or doing things they love. That's much more fulfilling I'd say than say someone who runs a big business, but is stuck in an office chair for 14 hours a day stressed out their box.
It's all a matter of perspective.
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You are both of that opinion because you have presumed that I think living a fulfilling life is linked with your work. It is in a way because your work influences heavily your lifestyle. But work should never be the be all and end all. The seminars of the guys I mention in my OP speak as much about personal development as they do advancing your business.
They say that you should worker harder on yourself than you do on your business and I'm a bit advocate of that. The world would be and will be a better place if and when people do that.
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I cycle at the weekends with a group of chums, one is a proffesser, one is the MD of a large company he built himself, one runs a building company, one runs a double glazing company whilst the other is a sales rep. Out of them all I reckon I have the best life, probably the least income but the best life. After I've given them a good thrashing they look the same as me, sweat the same and swear the same - they are no different.
"Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others "
You said you actually want to be one of the above - I don't.
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I can see where this one is going already.
I suspect SS is feeling like he wants a bite at the cake after Vins accomplishment thread and all the attention it garnered. Maybe it's not so good thinking you're top of the tree and subsequently needing that ego caressed and massaged.
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I might add that some of the elite ten percent post on this forum but never get attacked. They know how to treat people and not to belittle them or brag. I think Alex Gardiner has to be the perfect example. I've been on here for eight years or more and I don't recall him ever upsetting anybody.
( you have my address Alex - leave the pole down the side if I'm out :D)
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
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Nearly 30 people attending the next solar fleece seminar. Is that nearly 30 or 26,27,28 or 29?
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. ( you have my address Alex - leave the pole down the side if I'm out :D)
Now that me me chuckle ;D :D
I'd say I'm say pretty much in the middle. The growth of my business was very steady over the first 2-3 years being on ladders. Invested in a wfp system in 2007, bought a 2nd van to employ a family friend in 2008. Deliberated about franchising for way too long because I didn't want to employ further and eventually franchised in 2015.
Growth is currently good although there has been nothing more than internet presence for the last 12 months and we've grown by 40%. If I had Vin's motivation I would have surpassed the £250k mark long ago.
We live comfortably, I'm very happy with family life but if truth be told I seriously lack motivation when it comes to me personally. I don't see myself as successful in business, as I could achieve so much more, but I'm content I suppose (or lazy).
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" The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be."
That was the fulfilment bit.
Like I said it's really a Windowcleaning forum rather than a business forum so what can you expect?
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Good post Steve, I agree with all but the last paragraph. There are plenty on here that are happy being "just a window cleaner". You don't have to be in the 5 or 10 percent that you strive for to live a happy and fulfilling life.
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I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different.
its already happened on the pressure washer section (general cleaning) of this forum.
the full timer pressure washers got miffed off for lots of various reasons but mainly any advice they gave out was often belittled or argued with by people who didn't know as much as they made out so they all over a short period of time upped sticks and moved to a totally different area of the web where its very hard to get in and basically invite only ... I think im one of a few window cleaners in there due to doing some massive jobs with another lad in there plus I also do pressure washing for myself.
IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
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I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different.
its already happened on the pressure washer section (general cleaning) of this forum.
the full timer pressure washers got miffed off for lots of various reasons but mainly any advice they gave out was often belittled or argued with by people who didn't know as much as they made out so they all over a short period of time upped sticks and moved to a totally different area of the web where its very hard to get in and basically invite only ... I think im one of a few window cleaners in there due to doing some massive jobs with another lad in there plus I also do pressure washing for myself.
IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
Not a chance, if you cant take a bit of criticism then you have no place in window cleaning I don't know about others but
if I didn't have a thick skin I wouldn't have lasted 10mins in this game.
At the end of the day it would be a dull world if everybody agreed with you.
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It does, there's a fb site for Vision users who can discuss without getting attacked and several fb windowcleaning sites but most are not moderated so seem far worse than this one. If you're a fan of swearing, bragging and stupidity then there's a couple to choose from.
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I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different.
its already happened on the pressure washer section (general cleaning) of this forum.
the full timer pressure washers got miffed off for lots of various reasons but mainly any advice they gave out was often belittled or argued with by people who didn't know as much as they made out so they all over a short period of time upped sticks and moved to a totally different area of the web where its very hard to get in and basically invite only ... I think im one of a few window cleaners in there due to doing some massive jobs with another lad in there plus I also do pressure washing for myself.
IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
Not a chance, if you cant take a bit of criticism then you have no place in window cleaning I don't know about others but
if I didn't have a thick skin I wouldn't have lasted 10mins in this game.
At the end of the day it would be a dull world if everybody agreed with you.
I think you're wrong I disagree with you ;) ;) ;D
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Still got seats to fill Steve?
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Interesting statements!
Firstly, ones have a banter on here. I have recently joined the forum and reading many of the threads and contributing to them. You can recognise ones who have a relationship with different ones on here. Relationship, as in actually knowing each other and so have jibes with one another. So it would be wrong to jump to the wrong conclusion that these are as first appearance seem negative.
Secondly, ones are not being negative but quite helpfull. If ones keep their dummies in long enough to realise. As one of the above threads mentioned. Ones have opinions but limited knowledge and may be getting flustered. So some threads are direct and some (my own included) quite blunt. To stop/help ones not to be flustered/upset etc etc because of a wrong mind set.
Thirdly, as again pointed out by above posts, this is a window cleaning forum! So ones will ask about new poles, brushes and the like. Maybe for advice, maybe new to the game and looking for advice from the more experienced.
Fourthly, talk of expansion, taxes, legalities etc etc is all very good and well. It has its place and ones who wish to discuss n share advice etc, its all very good and helpful. BUT, its funny how you feel that the ones who dont wish to aspire to allowing work to take over their lives, are uneducated in spelling or poor with grammer!! Or how many digs, sorry I mean sly attacks you have sneaked in with your manuscript of the elite 10%!
It reminds me of a tail, about a fisherman. Who worked solely to provide for his family and so only worked till he had enough for his needs. The rest of the time, he enjoyed family life. Then one day, a business entrepreneur approached him about how to make his business better n more fulfilling. He needed to work harder and longer, past his requirements. That way he would have more money. He could even save and buy extra boats and take on staff. By the end of many years to get to this point, you could be selling your product directly and earn better money. By another 5/10 yrs, you could be managing a whole fleet and guess what you can do then?!! Take time off work allowing others to do it all and guess what your reward for all those yrs of hard graft is....you can retire and spend time with your family!!
Yes im sure you get the point of the above illustration, even the 90% simpletons who supposedly dont entertain the top10% idealisms. But I guess im one of those negative window cleaners......please I beg, correct my thinking
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
Just use a business forum.
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IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
No, because this a window cleaning forum, not a business forum.
They can go here, it's for entrepreneurs http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk they'll be in their element, ducking and diving with those who are bigger and better than them.
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
I think your right on the money there Lee,
A section to chat about tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance without negative comments is a great idea,
Due to negative comments and not discussing more of the above, Im now more of a spectator
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Isn't it BRAGGADOCIO!!!! ;D
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
I do agree to a certain extent.
However it is also good to ask other solo windies advice on things like aworka, cleaner planner, GoCardless etc.
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Anyone know the cheapest place to buy resin . Or if there's any Windys round wakefield , leeds way willing to lend me a bit I can pick it up later . After I've been to the bookies then the pub .
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My observation about the use of open forums is the same people that talk about different types of business models/opportunities usually start threads like this one. In doing so they also have an ultimate motive to flog something be it a solar panel cleaning training course, franchise business package etc. They also have no intentions of being a standard helpful contributor to a forum as they are only interested in using forums as a passive marketing tool to make more money.
Need I say anymore ;D
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The title of this thread says it all really TBH,be part of the 10% forget this bunch of losers cmon I want my ball back now let's go and play on our own we are better than this lot of idiots they are just window cleaners. The truth is there are a few people on here that are not fools and can see these threads are being used for nothing more than adverts,if you want to bone each other why don't you just private message.
Job done.
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I think there should be a separate forum for those with 5 girls in the office. ;D
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Raining again , but I'm not bothered 3 days in front . So I'm taking the wife to the flicks to watch the revenant and then some snap after . How's that for forward planning . I will feel fulfilled ( is that a word )after that.
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Raining again , but I'm not bothered 3 days in front . So I'm taking the wife to the flicks to watch the revenant and then some snap after . How's that for forward planning . I will feel fulfilled ( is that a word )after that.
I've never heard it called snap before
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I think there should be a separate forum for those with 5 girls in the office. ;D
I have 6 but they work from the kitchen, that still count? ;D
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Never mind the 10%.......... you want to be one of the 2% who are earning 98% of all the money being made ;)
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
Enjoyed your update videos mate. Interesting to see a larger operation. Love to see some more when you get chance
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I don't want to be in any other business; been there, done that, been unhappy. This is the best job in the world and I'm happy just to be able to help some other local people experience that with minimum fuss and to grow my income by doing that as well as I can. I don't want to amass an empire; my horizons spread no farther than my home city.
Anyone asks me, I tell them I'm a window cleaner. With pride.
Vin
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My observation about the use of open forums is the same people that talk about different types of business models/opportunities usually start threads like this one. In doing so they also have an ultimate motive to flog something be it a solar panel cleaning training course, franchise business package etc. They also have no intentions of being a standard helpful contributor to a forum as they are only interested in using forums as a passive marketing tool to make more money.
Need I say anymore ;D
Bang on...
Maybe they should go and start there own snoozefest of a forum and discuss tax, accounting...............................
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Sorry I fell asleep.
The 'minor' things like poles and brushes ( the tools that make them the money) don't matter to these big dogs anymore.
Anyone ever notice how some of the big firms, and there are a few near me, are still using equipment from the stone age?
Poles that are falling apart, massive brushes that are completely deformed...
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.
One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.
We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.
Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.
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Have you been reading the same books as Boshravie ? :D
I have my own mindset and would prefer not to be pigeon holed.
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.
One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.
We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.
Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.
Neither does 8 vans, 10 staff and 4 websites. Although some seem to think so :P
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Derogatory thread people run their business to how that suits them? Some may be single parents who work part time for little money and don't want world domination? Away with you to the land of perfect windows.
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IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
No, because this a window cleaning forum, not a business forum.
They can go here, it's for entrepreneurs http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk they'll be in their element, ducking and diving with those who are bigger and better than them.
Quite true
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Never mind the 10%.......... you want to be one of the 2% who are earning 98% of all the money being made ;)
;D ;)
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.
One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.
We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.
Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.
Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you. I'm happy to be corrected. That's how to learn and grow. :)
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.
One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.
We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.
Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.
Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you. I'm happy to be corrected. That's how to learn and grow. :)
Not sure your head can grow any bigger.
Maybe you could use the inches elsewhere though?
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IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
No, because this a window cleaning forum, not a business forum.
They can go here, it's for entrepreneurs http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk they'll be in their element, ducking and diving with those who are bigger and better than them.
Sorry Matt I thought window cleaning was a business? Well I see it that way. What do you see it as then?
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
Enjoyed your update videos mate. Interesting to see a larger operation. Love to see some more when you get chance
Thanks.
I dont plan to make another one for a while. In about 18 months from now I plan to then, depending on how things pan out over the next year.
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen whose current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggadocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
100% agree with you Steve.
The air is fresh when your at the top - Earl Nightingale
Can I put your post on my blog?
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
Enjoyed your update videos mate. Interesting to see a larger operation. Love to see some more when you get chance
Thanks.
I dont plan to make another one for a while. In about 18 months from now I plan to then, depending on how things pan out over the next year.
Do you know what i remember seeing those videos now. Wasn't it something like 25,000 leaflets with jog post or something like that. I don't know why but your videos (i think one todo with a hot water setup and free clx4) gave me a massive kick up the bum.
This was about 4 maybe 5 years ago.
Massive thank you Lee! Owe you a pint one day!!!!!
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I ignore people who are big headed who put others down. There are all types on here. Some I totally ignore, others I read their opinions and advice.
I have run businesses before besides window cleaning. I'm window cleaning as I have three life changing illnesses and this job allows me to continue working for as long as I'm able to perservere. My only real goal business wise is to hurry up and pay off my mortgage so I can work less hours than I am now. I try to balance work with a healthy attitude towards a social life. Don't wish to be rich at window cleaning or build an empire.
Balancing work, health and a life outside of work whilst my health deteriorates is a challenge in itself.
When I started this job I just wanted to be good at my job and grow which I did. Then my health stopped me working completely and I ended up being cared for 24/7. Getting my health and independence back was my goal in life when I defeated doctors and specialists telling me my life was virtually over and almost resorted to a one way holiday to Switzerland. I have determination and stubbornness like you wouldn't believe.
My main goal in life is to do enough to get by with everyday needs and to live life to the full as much as my health allows. Time passes quicker than you realise sometimes, why miss the things that are important in life. Window cleaning is a means to an end and how you use it to achieve what you need out of life is your choice.
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
Enjoyed your update videos mate. Interesting to see a larger operation. Love to see some more when you get chance
Thanks.
I dont plan to make another one for a while. In about 18 months from now I plan to then, depending on how things pan out over the next year.
Do you know what i remember seeing those videos now. Wasn't it something like 25,000 leaflets with jog post or something like that. I don't know why but your videos (i think one todo with a hot water setup and free clx4) gave me a massive kick up the bum.
This was about 4 maybe 5 years ago.
Massive thank you Lee! Owe you a pint one day!!!!!
Thanks im ready for that pint right now as it goes haha!
Actually it was 100,000 leaflets in that video. I plan to deliver 1million over the next 12 months. I will be making a video about that when its all done.
I will just say I wont be answering anyones questions about the statment I just made at this time.
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Was Lee the guy who photographed his Porche every week or was that someone else?
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I ignore people who are big headed who put others down. There are all types on here. Some I totally ignore, others I read their opinions and advice.
I have run businesses before besides window cleaning. I'm window cleaning as I have three life changing illnesses and this job allows me to continue working for as long as I'm able to perservere. My only real goal business wise is to hurry up and pay off my mortgage so I can work less hours than I am now. I try to balance work with a healthy attitude towards a social life. Don't wish to be rich at window cleaning or build an empire.
Balancing work, health and a life outside of work whilst my health deteriorates is a challenge in itself.
When I started this job I just wanted to be good at my job and grow which I did. Then my health stopped me working completely and I ended up being cared for 24/7. Getting my health and independence back was my goal in life when I defeated doctors and specialists telling me my life was virtually over and almost resorted to a one way holiday to Switzerland. I have determination and stubbornness like you wouldn't believe.
My main goal in life is to do enough to get by with everyday needs and to live life to the full as much as my health allows. Time passes quicker than you realise sometimes, why miss the things that are important in life. Window cleaning is a means to an end and how you use it to achieve what you need out of life is your choice.
Blimey, sounds like you've had a rough ride.
If that doesn't give people a kick up the arse to live life to the full I don't think anything will.
Hope you're health improves/holds out as best as possible for the future
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I ignore people who are big headed who put others down. There are all types on here. Some I totally ignore, others I read their opinions and advice.
I have run businesses before besides window cleaning. I'm window cleaning as I have three life changing illnesses and this job allows me to continue working for as long as I'm able to perservere. My only real goal business wise is to hurry up and pay off my mortgage so I can work less hours than I am now. I try to balance work with a healthy attitude towards a social life. Don't wish to be rich at window cleaning or build an empire.
Balancing work, health and a life outside of work whilst my health deteriorates is a challenge in itself.
When I started this job I just wanted to be good at my job and grow which I did. Then my health stopped me working completely and I ended up being cared for 24/7. Getting my health and independence back was my goal in life when I defeated doctors and specialists telling me my life was virtually over and almost resorted to a one way holiday to Switzerland. I have determination and stubbornness like you wouldn't believe.
My main goal in life is to do enough to get by with everyday needs and to live life to the full as much as my health allows. Time passes quicker than you realise sometimes, why miss the things that are important in life. Window cleaning is a means to an end and how you use it to achieve what you need out of life is your choice.
That's possibly one of the most inspirational posts I've seen on here for some while. I hope that your health holds out and you stay as well as you need to for a very long time. Although a different type of health problem, I do empathise with the limitations that are sometimes imposed by them. Thank you for your words.
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.
One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.
We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.
Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.
Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you. I'm happy to be corrected. That's how to learn and grow. :)
HEY!!!!!
I spotted the BRAGGADOCIO one😆
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IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
No, because this a window cleaning forum, not a business forum.
They can go here, it's for entrepreneurs http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk they'll be in their element, ducking and diving with those who are bigger and better than them.
Sorry Matt I thought window cleaning was a business? Well I see it that way. What do you see it as then?
It's a business. But this is a cleaning forum. You want to talk business? Go to a business forum. You could always go to a business forum and start talking brushes, poles, and varying other utilities and see how you get on.
No grammatical errors or spelling mistakes in there Lee.
How's the radio advertising going?
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Was Lee the guy who photographed his Porche every week or was that someone else?
Yes, but to him it was an extension to his penis
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Was Lee the guy who photographed his Porche every week or was that someone else?
Yes, but to him it was an extension to his penis
I like this quarterlight :D
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
I agree with all of the above Lee. The forum section would be difficult to implement and moderate though, which is a shame.
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Nearly 30 people attending the next solar fleece seminar. Is that nearly 30 or 26,27,28 or 29?
As of this afternoon, 30.
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Good post Steve, I agree with all but the last paragraph. There are plenty on here that are happy being "just a window cleaner". You don't have to be in the 5 or 10 percent that you strive for to live a happy and fulfilling life.
I agree. But I have also met loads of people whose pensions have failed or who have never REALLY pushed themselves in their life to do anything, not just in their work life. When they get older, they have regrets and not just those of a financial nature.
But I personally don't own a house, or a pension that will be of any benefit should I hit retiring age, nor do I have rich parents whose fortune I can live off when they die. I grew up in a divorced household on a poor council estate, got into petty crime aged 10, and had little direction in life. Nor am I content to just live off benefits should something happen to me now or when I am older.
From a young age I was determined to better myself, my circumstances and hopefully along the way help those I love. I have a sickening dedication to whatever I turn my hand to in my personal or business life. So why not push as hard as I can push, read all I can read, see all I can see, help all I can help and improve all I can improve?
I am not happy just 'being'. It is not about the money. It is about my own feelings of accomplishment and self-worth.
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Still got seats to fill Steve?
Cornwall, Norfolk, Suffolk and that's about it.
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IMHO that part of the forum now a quiet place and a loss to the forum.
Will it happen on the windows section - ???
No, because this a window cleaning forum, not a business forum.
They can go here, it's for entrepreneurs http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk they'll be in their element, ducking and diving with those who are bigger and better than them.
I've already been a member for a few years and it has taught me much.
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Good post Steve, I agree with all but the last paragraph. There are plenty on here that are happy being "just a window cleaner". You don't have to be in the 5 or 10 percent that you strive for to live a happy and fulfilling life.
I agree. But I have also met loads of people whose pensions have failed or who have never REALLY pushed themselves in their life to do anything, not just in their work life. When they get older, they have regrets and not just those of a financial nature.
But I personally don't own a house, or a pension that will benefit fo any benefit should I hit retiring age, nor do I have rich parents whose fortune I can live off when they die. I grew up in a divorced household on a poor council estate, got into petty crime aged 10, and had little direction in life. Nor am I content to just live off benefits should something happen to me now or when I am older.
From a young age I was determined to better myself, my circumstances and hopefully along the way help those I love. I have a sickening dedication to whatever I turn my hand to in my personal or business life. So why not push as hard as I can push, read all I can read, see all I can see, help all I can help and improve all I can improve?
I am not happy just 'being'. It is not about the money. It is about my own feelings of accomplishment and self-worth.
Im sure you will get there 1 day
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My observation about the use of open forums is the same people that talk about different types of business models/opportunities usually start threads like this one. In doing so they also have an ultimate motive to flog something be it a solar panel cleaning training course, franchise business package etc. They also have no intentions of being a standard helpful contributor to a forum as they are only interested in using forums as a passive marketing tool to make more money.
Need I say anymore ;D
For me, it has been an excellent recruiting and networking tool.
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.
One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.
We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.
Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.
Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you. I'm happy to be corrected. That's how to learn and grow. :)
Not sure your head can grow any bigger.
Maybe you could use the inches elsewhere though?
Guess which section you just proved to put yourself in! :D :D :D
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Good post Steve, I agree with all but the last paragraph. There are plenty on here that are happy being "just a window cleaner". You don't have to be in the 5 or 10 percent that you strive for to live a happy and fulfilling life.
I agree. But I have also met loads of people whose pensions have failed or who have never REALLY pushed themselves in their life to do anything, not just in their work life. When they get older, they have regrets and not just those of a financial nature.
But I personally don't own a house, or a pension that will benefit fo any benefit should I hit retiring age, nor do I have rich parents whose fortune I can live off when they die. I grew up in a divorced household on a poor council estate, got into petty crime aged 10, and had little direction in life. Nor am I content to just live off benefits should something happen to me now or when I am older.
From a young age I was determined to better myself, my circumstances and hopefully along the way help those I love. I have a sickening dedication to whatever I turn my hand to in my personal or business life. So why not push as hard as I can push, read all I can read, see all I can see, help all I can help and improve all I can improve?
I am not happy just 'being'. It is not about the money. It is about my own feelings of accomplishment and self-worth.
With a story like that you'll be auditioning on X Factor next!
:)
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen whose current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggadocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
100% agree with you Steve.
The air is fresh when your at the top - Earl Nightingale
Can I put your post on my blog?
Where is your blog James?
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I ignore people who are big headed who put others down. There are all types on here. Some I totally ignore, others I read their opinions and advice.
I have run businesses before besides window cleaning. I'm window cleaning as I have three life changing illnesses and this job allows me to continue working for as long as I'm able to perservere. My only real goal business wise is to hurry up and pay off my mortgage so I can work less hours than I am now. I try to balance work with a healthy attitude towards a social life. Don't wish to be rich at window cleaning or build an empire.
Balancing work, health and a life outside of work whilst my health deteriorates is a challenge in itself.
When I started this job I just wanted to be good at my job and grow which I did. Then my health stopped me working completely and I ended up being cared for 24/7. Getting my health and independence back was my goal in life when I defeated doctors and specialists telling me my life was virtually over and almost resorted to a one way holiday to Switzerland. I have determination and stubbornness like you wouldn't believe.
My main goal in life is to do enough to get by with everyday needs and to live life to the full as much as my health allows. Time passes quicker than you realise sometimes, why miss the things that are important in life. Window cleaning is a means to an end and how you use it to achieve what you need out of life is your choice.
I feel that starting this thread in coming in for some snide comments has all been worth it, just to read this. Thanks for sharing.
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My observation about the use of open forums is the same people that talk about different types of business models/opportunities usually start threads like this one. In doing so they also have an ultimate motive to flog something be it a solar panel cleaning training course, franchise business package etc. They also have no intentions of being a standard helpful contributor to a forum as they are only interested in using forums as a passive marketing tool to make more money.
Need I say anymore ;D
For me, it has been an excellent recruiting and networking tool.
I bet it has Steve...That should read "For me, it has been an excellent FREE recruiting and networking tool."
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
The 'best' comment I have read on here in a very long time. I rarely contribute/post on here now. (busy building my business and fed up of the snipers)
Can anyone advise me of the best cheap leisure battery to buy?
:)
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Still got seats to fill Steve?
Well?
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Snobbery on a windowcleaners forum - who'd have thought it?
Sob stories and no doubt a 'Roller Coaster' ride too.
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Snobbery on a windowcleaners forum - who'd have thought it?
Sob stories and no doubt a 'Roller Coaster' ride too.
I'm sure some of them have been doing it for as long as they can remember, wouldn't want to do anything else and couldn't go back to their boring day job.
"It's been a journey and I wanna thank me mam, me dad, gerry the budgerigar, harry the hamster and pat the postman for believing in me oh and miss tittley my careers advisor at skool." xxx
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Good post Steve, I agree with all but the last paragraph. There are plenty on here that are happy being "just a window cleaner". You don't have to be in the 5 or 10 percent that you strive for to live a happy and fulfilling life.
I agree. But I have also met loads of people whose pensions have failed or who have never REALLY pushed themselves in their life to do anything, not just in their work life. When they get older, they have regrets and not just those of a financial nature.
But I personally don't own a house, or a pension that will be of any benefit should I hit retiring age, nor do I have rich parents whose fortune I can live off when they die. I grew up in a divorced household on a poor council estate, got into petty crime aged 10, and had little direction in life. Nor am I content to just live off benefits should something happen to me now or when I am older.
From a young age I was determined to better myself, my circumstances and hopefully along the way help those I love. I have a sickening dedication to whatever I turn my hand to in my personal or business life. So why not push as hard as I can push, read all I can read, see all I can see, help all I can help and improve all I can improve?
I am not happy just 'being'. It is not about the money. It is about my own feelings of accomplishment and self-worth.
That's all good. However, It seems like those who go on about fulfilment, bettering themselves, striving for this, that and the other, giving 110% are always looking for something and never truly content. They can't sit still, always looking for the next fix which never lasts that long. Constantly thinking about bettering oneself means you're never going to get there.
But that's just my opinion and I only have one van so it probably doesn't really count. Very good work and very good profit margins though for not a lot of stress at all.
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Snobbery on a windowcleaners forum - who'd have thought it?
Sob stories and no doubt a 'Roller Coaster' ride too.
I'm sure some of them have been doing it for as long as they can remember, wouldn't want to do anything else and couldn't go back to their boring day job.
"It's been a journey and I wanna thank me mam, me dad, gerry the budgerigar, harry the hamster and pat the postman for believing in me oh and miss tittley my careers advisor at skool." xxx
Ha ha, love it.
I know I'm only a window cleaner, but I work when I need to and when I want to, mostly for WHO I want to.
Oh and I didn't miss my lads growing up like some who think work is fun
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For those of you who know who Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy and other people of that type are, being part of the 10% is an important part of what they teach. How does this apply to window cleaning?
After many threads read on here and writing a number myself, it seems the same people tend to post the same types of comments. So here is my theory:
It seems we all fall into different types of brackets:
1. Window Cleaners
2. Those who run window cleaning businesses
3. Businessmen who's current business happens to be window cleaning
What are the differences?
It seems window cleaners are obsessed about brush type, length of pole, getting a new 'custie' (I find that derogatory) etc. They also tend to post the most negative comments and are quick to pick fault, insult, have bad grammar and make spelling mistakes. I'd say they are about 20% of the makeup of the forum.
Then you have those who run window cleaning businesses, those who discuss what vehicles to buy, tax issues etc. They are more focused on making middle of the road comments on threads, weigh things up equally and are not offensive to virtually anyone in any way. They are probably 70% of the forum population.
Then there are those who are businessmen, whose current business is window cleaning. These tend to discuss expansion, accomplishments, market trends, new ideas etc. They run their business by principles that they could apply in other businesses and tend to have multiple revenue streams. These tend to be the most disliked and controversial people on here. Their posts may come across as big headed and filled with braggardocio, when actually they are pioneers, willing to be different and put their head above the parapet, knowing they may be shot down. They do it anyway, not to have their egos massaged, but to try and inspire others and show what can be accomplished. I think these are what make up the 10%.
All are needed, but not all are appreciated. We probably all know what category we fall into if we are honest and where we aspire to be.
I want to be part of the 10%. I want to find out the mindset of the masses and avoid it, read the books that the masses read and not read them. The masses do not attain success and live a fulfilling life, the masses are disgruntled with their lot in life. The 10% is the place to be.
I have just noted some spelling mistakes and grammatical impossibilities you have put in your post Steve. So if you want to be in your rather arbitrary "10%" you'd better shape up in the spelling department.
One of the best salesmen/inspirational businessmen I worked for couldn't spell for toffee. He didn't know how to spell one of his best customers names. He spelled it "Mapisco" instead of "Nabisco". Oh how we supercilious grammar nazis laughed.
We didn't laugh when he sold more stuff than the next three salesmen put together though.
Spelling and grammar do not a happy and fulfilled and successful person make.
Granville, mistakes duly noted and corrected, thank you. I'm happy to be corrected. That's how to learn and grow. :)
Not sure your head can grow any bigger.
Maybe you could use the inches elsewhere though?
Guess which section you just proved to put yourself in! :D :D :D
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I just you heard you had exceptionally small feet for such a 'big man'.
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
The 'best' comment I have read on here in a very long time. I rarely contribute/post on here now. (busy building my business and fed up of the snipers)
Can anyone advise me of the best cheap leisure battery to buy?
:)
In other words you feel you have nothing more to learn and have no interest in giving anything you have learned back,
if you have no interest in contributing on here then fair enough that's your choice but don't use a bit of snipping as
an excuse, the battery remark just shows what type of person you really are. ::)roll
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Funny how people get this overwhelming desire to drive themselves onwards and upwards. When I got cancer I had a short spell in hospital and looked around at the guys who wern't coming out. Strangely it never occurred to me that should I not recover I would regret not being the biggest bragger on CIU (actually I was a printer at the time). It had the opposite affect on me.
Material things don't mean a lot at the end of the day, to me seeing my family meant far more. When I got home I vowed never to work overtime again, spend more time with my kids and have more sex. I've achieved nearly all of those points.
So to me most people have a skewed way of looking at life, success, fulfilment and money mean bugger all to me. As long as I've got enough to live, eat, have the odd holiday is all I need. I have no mortgage on my main house and live a fairly comfortable life.
You also become more tolerant and less selfish when you witness people going through life threatening illnesses.
To pretend you are superior to everyone and even categorise them and ridicule their spelling ability makes me laugh.
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
The 'best' comment I have read on here in a very long time. I rarely contribute/post on here now. (busy building my business and fed up of the snipers)
Can anyone advise me of the best cheap leisure battery to buy?
:)
In other words you feel you have nothing more to learn and have no interest in giving anything you have learned back,
if you have no interest in contributing on here then fair enough that's your choice but don't use a bit of snipping as
an excuse, the battery remark just shows what type of person you really are. ::)roll
That's a good point. People often forget how they started.
I was with my wife once and saw a window cleaner working out of a tatty car and I made a disparaging comment. She told me off and reminded me of the car I used to have and low paid work I had and how I was in a fortunate position now, and maybe that guy could be en route to getting there as well.
Now if I get too big for my boots I try to remember how I started off. I'm sure most of the guys with multiple vans, offices etc started off on their own and didn't know it all back then. So to be on a cleaning forum and take the mick of people who ask for the help that could easily be provided, be it which brush, battery, van etc is a bit hypocritical. I think I should get my wife an account on here so she can tell everyone off ;D
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There is always plenty more to learn Sean K.
I gave advise on 'batteries' a year or so ago, guess what? I then got shot down. (Ex autoelectrician but that didn't matter to all the snipers)
I do think you would be good for the government as a psychological profiler. Deducing my personality from one comment about a battery is outstanding.
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Sorry - couldn't resist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usYgf8cVfvU
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Funny how people get this overwhelming desire to drive themselves onwards and upwards. When I got cancer I had a short spell in hospital and looked around at the guys who wern't coming out. Strangely it never occurred to me that should I not recover I would regret not being the biggest bragger on CIU (actually I was a printer at the time). It had the opposite affect on me.
Material things don't mean a lot at the end of the day, to me seeing my family meant far more. When I got home I vowed never to work overtime again, spend more time with my kids and have more sex. I've achieved nearly all of those points.
So to me most people have a skewed way of looking at life, success, fulfilment and money mean bugger all to me. As long as I've got enough to live, eat, have the odd holiday is all I need. I have no mortgage on my main house and live a fairly comfortable life.
You also become more tolerant and less selfish when you witness people going through life threatening illnesses.
To pretend you are superior to everyone and even categorise them and ridicule their spelling ability makes me laugh.
best post on here for a while dave!
ambition can cut you down and annihilate all the things worthwhile in life.if your forever chasing the money and working very long days and weekends, family life and personal relationships suffer as well as your health.(eventually)
theres nothing wrong with striving to better your business and income as long as you can " enjoy the journey" and take time out for family and friends.
some people have a restlessness that just doesnt wane and strive to be the" biggest and best".its all related to the ego and stems from insecurity and fear.
sometimes once in a while a devastating personal illness or death in the family for instance can deflate the prideful balloon that some people have blown up around themselves.
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
The 'best' comment I have read on here in a very long time. I rarely contribute/post on here now. (busy building my business and fed up of the snipers)
Can anyone advise me of the best cheap leisure battery to buy?
:)
In other words you feel you have nothing more to learn and have no interest in giving anything you have learned back,
if you have no interest in contributing on here then fair enough that's your choice but don't use a bit of snipping as
an excuse, the battery remark just shows what type of person you really are. ::)roll
That's a good point. People often forget how they started.
I was with my wife once and saw a window cleaner working out of a tatty car and I made a disparaging comment. She told me off and reminded me of the car I used to have and low paid work I had and how I was in a fortunate position now, and maybe that guy could be en route to getting there as well.
Now if I get too big for my boots I try to remember how I started off. I'm sure most of the guys with multiple vans, offices etc started off on their own and didn't know it all back then. So to be on a cleaning forum and take the mick of people who ask for the help that could easily be provided, be it which brush, battery, van etc is a bit hypocritical. I think I should get my wife an account on here so she can tell everyone off ;D
This forum is a great collection of all the info you will ever need to start and run either your own round or your own business, BUT, its like having instructions for setting up a new TV,if not used correctly it's pointless having them.
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There is always plenty more to learn Sean K.
I gave advise on 'batteries' a year or so ago, guess what? I then got shot down. (Ex autoelectrician but that didn't matter to all the snipers)
I do think you would be good for the government as a psychological profiler. Deducing my personality from one comment about a battery is outstanding.
Well there you go David as I didn't know that story it looked to me that you where having a go at someone on a tight budget
looking for a cheap battery, so its very easy to post something on here and have it mistaken for a snipe comment which is something to think about if that's your reason for no longer wishing to comment.
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Funny how people get this overwhelming desire to drive themselves onwards and upwards. When I got cancer I had a short spell in hospital and looked around at the guys who wern't coming out. Strangely it never occurred to me that should I not recover I would regret not being the biggest bragger on CIU (actually I was a printer at the time). It had the opposite affect on me.
Material things don't mean a lot at the end of the day, to me seeing my family meant far more. When I got home I vowed never to work overtime again, spend more time with my kids and have more sex. I've achieved nearly all of those points.
So to me most people have a skewed way of looking at life, success, fulfilment and money mean bugger all to me. As long as I've got enough to live, eat, have the odd holiday is all I need. I have no mortgage on my main house and live a fairly comfortable life.
You also become more tolerant and less selfish when you witness people going through life threatening illnesses.
To pretend you are superior to everyone and even categorise them and ridicule their spelling ability makes me laugh.
best post on here for a while dave!
ambition can cut you down and annihilate all the things worthwhile in life.if your forever chasing the money and working very long days and weekends, family life and personal relationships suffer as well as your health.(eventually)
theres nothing wrong with striving to better your business and income as long as you can " enjoy the journey" and take time out for family and friends.
some people have a restlessness that just doesnt wane and strive to be the" biggest and best".its all related to the ego and stems from insecurity and fear.
sometimes once in a while a devastating personal illness or death in the family for instance can deflate the prideful balloon that some people have blown up around themselves.
Thanks for that daz. My intention is to build a business that doesn't need my input on a daily basis for me to earn money. If I fall off my mountain bike in an hours time or trip over bowling with the kids later today then I don't need to panick as I know I'm still earning and my family are provided for. My grandfather is receiving end of life care at the moment and its great I can spend everyday with him whilst still earning instead of having to pop in here and there.
I am 41 and after 5 years of business building I can now choose what I want to do today, not what I have to do.
Enjoying the journey? HELL YEAH!
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Yes, go and sit with your grand-father. End of life time with a relative doesn't get more precious than that. You know you'll be glad you did. Death is a sad time but it brings out something within us we don't normally exhibit. Thank you for mentioning that, reflection is always a good thing.
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fair play david.all the best mate.
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Sometimes a quick comment can seem wrong
That comment about a round "or" a business can seen slightly snobbish, I suppose we've all done it at times.
A round is a business is it not ;D
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I can see where this one is going already.
Yep me to.
Steve its a good post but I really think its more like 70%, 25%, 5% which is why your about to be shot to bits.
I dont think Steve said anything about fulfillment in his post. Im sure that is different for everyone. How does anyone know if one person that works 14 hours a day or not is more or less fulfilled than the next person?
I know how this will sound but I would like to see either a new forum or a new section to the forum for those with the larger businesses just because topics of interest would be different. For example im not interested in the latest brush, pole ect.... Im more intested in the issues of a bigger business, which are a million miles from the day to day of a single opperator. I can say that with confidence as I have been a single opperator. A friend of mine with a 30 van courier business has given me a lot of advice over the last year which is helping me to grow right now. Its not about poles and brushes, its about, tax,vat,employment, marketing, accountants, dividends, premises, office staff, finance, so on and so on. It would be useful to have discusion like that on here but it seems if you want to be bigger or are bigger you get cut down. Funny how you dont get cut down asking about a new pole!
The 'best' comment I have read on here in a very long time. I rarely contribute/post on here now. (busy building my business and fed up of the snipers)
Can anyone advise me of the best cheap leisure battery to buy?
:)
In other words you feel you have nothing more to learn and have no interest in giving anything you have learned back,
if you have no interest in contributing on here then fair enough that's your choice but don't use a bit of snipping as
an excuse, the battery remark just shows what type of person you really are. ::)roll
Aggreed.
Anothe Vin type of guy....
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Still got seats to fill Steve?
Well?
Yes, but please contact me off-forum. Thanks.
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Funny how people get this overwhelming desire to drive themselves onwards and upwards. When I got cancer I had a short spell in hospital and looked around at the guys who wern't coming out. Strangely it never occurred to me that should I not recover I would regret not being the biggest bragger on CIU (actually I was a printer at the time). It had the opposite affect on me.
Material things don't mean a lot at the end of the day, to me seeing my family meant far more. When I got home I vowed never to work overtime again, spend more time with my kids and have more sex. I've achieved nearly all of those points.
So to me most people have a skewed way of looking at life, success, fulfilment and money mean bugger all to me. As long as I've got enough to live, eat, have the odd holiday is all I need. I have no mortgage on my main house and live a fairly comfortable life.
You also become more tolerant and less selfish when you witness people going through life threatening illnesses.
To pretend you are superior to everyone and even categorise them and ridicule their spelling ability makes me laugh.
best post on here for a while dave!
ambition can cut you down and annihilate all the things worthwhile in life.if your forever chasing the money and working very long days and weekends, family life and personal relationships suffer as well as your health.(eventually)
theres nothing wrong with striving to better your business and income as long as you can " enjoy the journey" and take time out for family and friends.
some people have a restlessness that just doesnt wane and strive to be the" biggest and best".its all related to the ego and stems from insecurity and fear.
sometimes once in a while a devastating personal illness or death in the family for instance can deflate the prideful balloon that some people have blown up around themselves.
Thanks for that daz. My intention is to build a business that doesn't need my input on a daily basis for me to earn money. If I fall off my mountain bike in an hours time or trip over bowling with the kids later today then I don't need to panick as I know I'm still earning and my family are provided for. My grandfather is receiving end of life care at the moment and its great I can spend everyday with him whilst still earning instead of having to pop in here and there.
I am 41 and after 5 years of business building I can now choose what I want to do today, not what I have to do.
Enjoying the journey? HELL YEAH!
Hi David.
I have liked your previous comments and this one is exactly where I'm at. Key phrase:
"Live a few years like few others will, to live the rest of your life like few others can."
I'm 35 and have the right people around me so that if I'm in a coma for 3 months, my income, house and business will still be in tact. I choose when to work and when I don't want to work. I was gutter cleaning from a cherry picker on Monday because I fancied doing it, I was on the road pricing jobs on Tuesday, was in the office yesterday, this morning I've had a meeting with a company who have 61 commercial roofs with panels on that they want cleaning and am now tatting about, and tomorrow I am at the franchise show at the NEC, making further advances with international franchising.
I mention all of this because I have variation in my week and it is not all high pressure, high intensity stuff as some make out. I do not have to 'work' really. Work is only work if it is not enjoyable. If your 'work' is enjoyable, as mine is, it is more of a hobby. I can do pretty much whatever I want, whenever I want and that's a nice lifestyle to have at 35 instead of being on the tools with no end of that in sight. I like where I am.
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SNIP
Nice one Steve.
Not many young entrepreneurs can say they have semi retired and become Vat registered in the same year. That takes some beating.
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Hi Steve, I came back into window cleaning again around 5 years ago after quite a few years off. I have in the past been involved with 'MLM' companies and really like the concept of 'residual income'. Although the involvement with the 'MLM' companies did not provide the right opportunity for me, what I did learn through the reading of books and attending seminars was priceless.
Applying some of what I learned to my 'window cleaning business' and using 'franchising' as the platform for building it has brought me encouraging results.
Glad you are on the right track too.
Regards,
David.
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I'm still waiting for the "Halle Berry style" Academy Award acceptance speech! ;D Don't all the "Big Boys" do them? ;D
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Hi Steve, I came back into window cleaning again around 5 years ago after quite a few years off. I have in the past been involved with 'MLM' companies and really like the concept of 'residual income'. Although the involvement with the 'MLM' companies did not provide the right opportunity for me, what I did learn through the reading of books and attending seminars was priceless.
Applying some of what I learned to my 'window cleaning business' and using 'franchising' as the platform for building it has brought me encouraging results.
Glad you are on the right track too.
Regards,
David.
Hi David, just out of curiosity are you any relation to Jerry and Mandy Kent who were involved with Jerry/Mandy Scriven and Pat/Greata Gregory from IBS ( International Business Systems) or again if any other guys on here were involved with IBS when they were going strong in the UK a few years back as i say just out of curiosity. Tadgh
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You are both of that opinion because you have presumed that I think living a fulfilling life is linked with your work. It is in a way because your work influences heavily your lifestyle. But work should never be the be all and end all. The seminars of the guys I mention in my OP speak as much about personal development as they do advancing your business.
They say that you should worker harder on yourself than you do on your business and I'm a bit advocate of that. The world would be and will be a better place if and when people do that.
Oops, is that a spelling mistake? Tut tut.