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Title: costs of employing
Post by: JSMC on February 09, 2016, 09:56:51 pm
wages
payroll
employers liability
extra equipment
holdiay entitlement
employer NI
licence (scotland)
workwear


what is the normal holiday entitlement for workers either part time or full time.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: Rich Wilts on February 09, 2016, 10:11:15 pm
Uniform.
Extra water
Extra fuel.
Extra administration time.
Extra vehicle?
Last but by no means least, a wedge of extra aggro from the custards.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: KS Cleaning on February 09, 2016, 10:28:40 pm
wages
payroll
employers liability
extra equipment
holdiay entitlement
employer NI
licence (scotland)
workwear


what is the normal holiday entitlement for workers either part time or full time.
Holiday entitlement is 28 days if they work 5 days a week, if part time, say 3 days a week it is 16.8 days ( 28 days  multiplied by 3 divided by 5 )
Don't forget you will have to pay SSP if they are off sick, pension contributions,  and also the payroll costs will increase when the new pension contributions comes into force.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: 8weekly on February 10, 2016, 06:22:39 am
wages
payroll
employers liability
extra equipment
holdiay entitlement
employer NI
licence (scotland)
workwear


what is the normal holiday entitlement for workers either part time or full time.
Holiday entitlement is 28 days if they work 5 days a week, if part time, say 3 days a week it is 16.8 days ( 28 days  multiplied by 3 divided by 5 )
Don't forget you will have to pay SSP if they are off sick, pension contributions,  and also the payroll costs will increase when the new pension contributions comes into force.
28 days does include statutory holidays though. What it all means though is that to make it worthwhile you need the employee to be bringing in around three times their daily pay.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: dazmond on February 10, 2016, 06:34:24 am
or if you dont fancy paying for all that just employ them "cash in hand" say £50 a day.thats what loads of window cleaners still do and have done for years.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: JSMC on February 10, 2016, 07:33:34 am
or if you dont fancy paying for all that just employ them "cash in hand" say £50 a day.thats what loads of window cleaners still do and have done for years.


Yeah i know they do but some people need   something better than that in their life. I would like to try and do it proper and help someone out in the future if picking up more work.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: 8weekly on February 10, 2016, 07:40:02 am
or if you dont fancy paying for all that just employ them "cash in hand" say £50 a day.thats what loads of window cleaners still do and have done for years.
Yeah, those that come on here moaning about how crap staff are.  ;)
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: nathankaye on February 10, 2016, 07:50:14 am
Alternatively, if your helper is serious. Then they set themselves up as a sole trader and you are sub contracting them. You pay them the agreed wage and they sort out their own taxes etc. So ita two sole traders who happen to be working together.
Your still helping someone out in life and perhaps more so!
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: NWH on February 10, 2016, 09:35:59 am
or if you dont fancy paying for all that just employ them "cash in hand" say £50 a day.thats what loads of window cleaners still do and have done for years.
Yeah, those that come on here moaning about how crap staff are.  ;)
lol would you like to tell us how much you pay your employees then please and let others decide whether or not it's a good wage,does your employees-employee end up with much over 300 a week then does he if he does it's got to be costing you well over 25k a year to do it properly. It all depends what you call good money some might think 3-400 a day with help is good some might say they couldn't run there business on that,every situation is different who knows some might work on there own and still take what you may do with a couple of staff.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: 8weekly on February 10, 2016, 04:15:02 pm
or if you dont fancy paying for all that just employ them "cash in hand" say £50 a day.thats what loads of window cleaners still do and have done for years.
Yeah, those that come on here moaning about how crap staff are.  ;)
lol would you like to tell us how much you pay your employees then please and let others decide whether or not it's a good wage,does your employees-employee end up with much over 300 a week then does he if he does it's got to be costing you well over 25k a year to do it properly. It all depends what you call good money some might think 3-400 a day with help is good some might say they couldn't run there business on that,every situation is different who knows some might work on there own and still take what you may do with a couple of staff.
£500 a week.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: ascjim on February 10, 2016, 05:54:32 pm
It isn't as bad as you think, you just need to grow some balls and take the jump.

Wages: easy
Payroll: Ask your accountant. Mine is £7.00 per employee.
Employers liability  and public: Mines £45.00 per month.
Tools and uniform: .....
Extra water: pence

Profit: LOADS!
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: Mike55 on February 10, 2016, 06:04:27 pm
It isn't as bad as you think, you just need to grow some balls and take the jump.

Wages: easy
Payroll: Ask your accountant. Mine is £7.00 per employee.
Employers liability  and public: Mines £45.00 per month.
Tools and uniform: .....
Extra water: pence

Profit: LOADS!

If you don't mind me asking James - do you pay your guys a set hourly rate or a % of turnover?

How do you handle holiday and sick pay when the guys aren't earning but your still paying out?
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: NWH on February 10, 2016, 06:11:11 pm
£500'a week right ok so how much more money do you think he's earning you over he course of a month then.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: SB Cleaning on February 10, 2016, 06:29:58 pm
It isn't as bad as you think, you just need to grow some balls and take the jump.

Wages: easy
Payroll: Ask your accountant. Mine is £7.00 per employee.
Employers liability  and public: Mines £45.00 per month.
Tools and uniform: .....
Extra water: pence

Profit: LOADS!
What about national insurance and tax contributions?

It does add up!
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: JSMC on February 10, 2016, 06:34:35 pm
I am thinking about it for future. It does sound a pain though.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: 8weekly on February 10, 2016, 06:49:24 pm
£500'a week right ok so how much more money do you think he's earning you over he course of a month then.
He's out on his own.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: 8weekly on February 10, 2016, 06:50:35 pm
It isn't as bad as you think, you just need to grow some balls and take the jump.

Wages: easy
Payroll: Ask your accountant. Mine is £7.00 per employee.
Employers liability  and public: Mines £45.00 per month.
Tools and uniform: .....
Extra water: pence

Profit: LOADS!
What about national insurance and tax contributions?

It does add up!
There is no employer's contribution for NI if there's only one employee and the tax is part of the salary.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: Rich Wilts on February 10, 2016, 06:51:16 pm
It isn't as bad as you think, you just need to grow some balls and take the jump.

Wages: easy
Payroll: Ask your accountant. Mine is £7.00 per employee.
Employers liability  and public: Mines £45.00 per month.
Tools and uniform: .....
Extra water: pence

Profit: LOADS!

Thats what I like, nice and concise.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: Mike55 on February 10, 2016, 07:15:35 pm
Working place pensions contributions too?
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: NWH on February 10, 2016, 10:46:35 pm
So you pay him 500 a week before Tax yeah,what's he earning you extra a month after you've paid him 2 grand.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: Tom-01 on February 11, 2016, 08:05:12 am
Plus more than likely will have to go VAT registered which is another cost paying it, and paying accountant to do it. Also the time it takes up employing people.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: ascjim on February 11, 2016, 05:33:30 pm
It isn't as bad as you think, you just need to grow some balls and take the jump.

Wages: easy
Payroll: Ask your accountant. Mine is £7.00 per employee.
Employers liability  and public: Mines £45.00 per month.
Tools and uniform: .....
Extra water: pence

Profit: LOADS!
What about national insurance and tax contributions?

It does add up!

That comes out of their wages, no my pocket
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: ascjim on February 11, 2016, 05:42:59 pm
The holiday and sick comes out of the profit.

They get paid £10.00 per hour = £80.00 per day.
 
2 man van takes a bare minimum of £300.00 so £140.00 profit for the day.
Some gutter days it can go to £400 - £500 and the best I've had from one van is around £900.00

I only have 3 guys. In 2 vans.

1 is working all the regular domestic work.
There other 2 also have regular domestic work, but have the gutter vac in the van.

So van 1 is always busy all year.
Van 2 takes all the new work coming in and big jobs.

I take £3000.00 a month and the rest stays in the business account.

I work 9-11 on the computer then go gym until 1 and then do quotes after if I need to.

All you need to do is plan your day / month / year in advance and set goals.

http://purewash.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/planning-goals.html
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: JSMC on February 11, 2016, 10:04:35 pm
James how long have you been established?
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: ascjim on February 12, 2016, 07:08:15 am
In the 5th year now mate.

I procrastinated for 3/4 years lol
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: JSMC on February 12, 2016, 10:12:55 pm
Well done mate. I used to have a team under me when i worked in a factory. Tbh it was a nightmare some days dealing with everything.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: Smudger on February 13, 2016, 07:28:08 am
James - did you say your guys are self employed ?

Darran
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: Mick Kent on February 13, 2016, 08:48:33 am
The holiday and sick comes out of the profit.

They get paid £10.00 per hour = £80.00 per day.
 
2 man van takes a bare minimum of £300.00 so £140.00 profit for the day.
Some gutter days it can go to £400 - £500 and the best I've had from one van is around £900.00

I only have 3 guys. In 2 vans.

1 is working all the regular domestic work.
There other 2 also have regular domestic work, but have the gutter vac in the van.

So van 1 is always busy all year.
Van 2 takes all the new work coming in and big jobs.

I take £3000.00 a month and the rest stays in the business account.

I work 9-11 on the computer then go gym until 1 and then do quotes after if I need to.

All you need to do is plan your day / month / year in advance and set goals.

http://purewash.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/planning-goals.html

Do your guys fuel the vans up out of there own money and pay tax and insurence themselfs?? Also mot and servicing. On top of that did they fund buying the van and not you??
If so then yes £140 profit out of a 2 man van!
I think you will find your profit is nowhere near £140 a day from a van.
You have done well but i think you need a reality check.
Title: Re: costs of employing
Post by: SB Cleaning on February 13, 2016, 09:13:18 am
The holiday and sick comes out of the profit.

They get paid £10.00 per hour = £80.00 per day.
 
2 man van takes a bare minimum of £300.00 so £140.00 profit for the day.
Some gutter days it can go to £400 - £500 and the best I've had from one van is around £900.00

I only have 3 guys. In 2 vans.

1 is working all the regular domestic work.
There other 2 also have regular domestic work, but have the gutter vac in the van.

So van 1 is always busy all year.
Van 2 takes all the new work coming in and big jobs.

I take £3000.00 a month and the rest stays in the business account.

I work 9-11 on the computer then go gym until 1 and then do quotes after if I need to.

All you need to do is plan your day / month / year in advance and set goals.

http://purewash.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/planning-goals.html

Do your guys fuel the vans up out of there own money and pay tax and insurence themselfs?? Also mot and servicing. On top of that did they fund buying the van and not you??
If so then yes £140 profit out of a 2 man van!
I think you will find your profit is nowhere near £140 a day from a van.
You have done well but i think you need a reality check.
That's what i was thinking ::)roll