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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: NWH on February 05, 2016, 06:02:46 pm
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Is it 22ft 800g 25ft 950g am I missing something does this make it lighter than the extremes.
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
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Unless they've made a new version WCW and Foxy Roxy had to pull the Neon poles from sale due to blatant Patent infringement on Gardiner Xtreme poles- in layman's terms WCW just copied the gardiner Xtreme poles! Foxy reckoned the Neons were based on other technologies but soon whipped them off the shelves!! ;D
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Are they available then I had a carbon facelift 25ft for years and I have to say for strength it was the best I've owned,in all the time I had it the whole clamp section of the pole never needed attention.
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It says pre order now and they must be right on the weight side cos they are asking 500 for the shortest one,high modulas Carbon it says.
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
do u think the new extreme poles r a lot stronger than the ones with metel clamping points then :)
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
Extremes are NOT very strong!!!!!!
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I have snapped 2 sections on mine
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Are they available then I had a carbon facelift 25ft for years and I have to say for strength it was the best I've owned,in all the time I had it the whole clamp section of the pole never needed attention.
I also had the same pole, however they were made by Facelift before WCW bought them out. Facelift products are now WCW products. I agree, the old Facelift carbon poles were very hard wearing but twice the weight of current offerings and MUCH less rigid.
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Are you saying this new pole is as light as an extreme then,have you seen this new pole chum.
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Are you saying this new pole is as light as an extreme then,have you seen this new pole chum.
Depends whether the Neon you refer to is a new re-worked version or the original that they had to stop selling? They basically ripped Gardiner Xtreme poles design off. Do you have a link?
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I just googled neon carbon pole and it came up on WCW site saying it's available from January this year,starts at 500 I would be prepared to give one a go if it's as light as they say.
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
Extremes are NOT very strong!!!!!!
Jon boy the new xtremes are a lot stronger mate.i have the newest version and it's a fraction lighter too!
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I'm about to buy a spare pole but I don't think the facelift fits the Gardiner carbon goosenecks so that would sway me to buy the extreme.
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I just googled neon carbon pole and it came up on WCW site saying it's available from January this year,starts at 500 I would be prepared to give one a go if it's as light as they say.
January last year NWH. ;)
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Was it oh right sorry I can remember the pole being pulled from being sold I thought it was a new one as I've just got something from WCW and looked in the brochure.
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Is it 22ft 800g 25ft 950g am I missing something does this make it lighter than the extremes.
NWH yes NeoN Mk2 is lighter than any other pole available.
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Unless they've made a new version WCW and Foxy Roxy had to pull the Neon poles from sale due to blatant Patent infringement on Gardiner Xtreme poles- in layman's terms WCW just copied the gardiner Xtreme poles! Foxy reckoned the Neons were based on other technologies but soon whipped them off the shelves!! ;D
Chum, yes this is a new version (mk2) and lighter than xtreme or any other pole available for that matter. Good to see you are still trolling, well done. Keep up the good work.
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
Dazmond, in your opinion... and you haven't used anything else so that opinion is in question! ;D
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
With respect, I have to admit I don't understand that kind of reasoning Dazmond.
It follows from what you say that if, or when, Gardiners bring out an Extreme Mark 4 that is stronger, lighter and more rigid than the mark 3, then you ''won't care'' and will still say you can't beat a mark 3.
Really?
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Is the 22ft the actual length of the pole?
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I have a Pheonix 26X , Nice light pole
The end section is worn, I can't see replacement sections on their website, I like to order parts quickly online so will continue to use Gardiners
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Is the 22ft the actual length of the pole?
pole says 22ft but 26ft reach so ide think 22ft is pole length i saw a vid were wcw got the tape mesure out to show it was what they say it was ! the neon does look nce but ive had a pheonix that just did not last as there was hardly any adjustment in the clamp ive b prity hacked off it i payed £500 and the pole only lasted 8 months like my old pheonix >:(
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i had to paint the sections on it to stop it from spinning
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
I will disagree and say the SLX range are a better all round pole...
Extremes are not strong at all...when I was using one I snapped 3 sections and the sections also wear down like the clappers ???
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A problem I see is with it being fragile.
We all know extreme poles require more attention and maintenance, so if this neon mk2 (should be mk1 really as mk1 was only sold for a few weeks) is actually lighter and basically thinner sections, this will be even more fragile than extremes.
Hopefully it isn't just a case of shaving off some layers of carbon just to beat Gardiners to the title of "lightest telescopic pole in the world" when that is actually going to be detrimental to the longevity of the pole itself.
Time will tell I suppose. I'm always up for trying something new, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Extremes are absolutely no1 for me at the moment.
A video review of the neon would be nice?
But please for the love of....... Don't get this guy to do it. I call him the "Mrs Jones at number 32" guy.
http://youtu.be/4PZ8UDHgr1U
;D
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What a nice happy old chap he is "I WILL SEND THE BILL" at the end also made me chuckle ;D
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i gota say he was rite about the hose not kinking as i have used it an the facelift hose is buy far the best ive used so far, as for the aquatap no thanks totel cxxxp ;D cant c the pole bing mch different to the old pheonix just a liter vershion
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Unless they've made a new version WCW and Foxy Roxy had to pull the Neon poles from sale due to blatant Patent infringement on Gardiner Xtreme poles- in layman's terms WCW just copied the gardiner Xtreme poles! Foxy reckoned the Neons were based on other technologies but soon whipped them off the shelves!! ;D
Chum, yes this is a new version (mk2) and lighter than xtreme or any other pole available for that matter. Good to see you are still trolling, well done. Keep up the good work.
Always happy to help Stevie boy! ;)
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A classic video that . He looks well for 72 .
Might ask him to do a vision video , lol ..
The Neon looks good and time will tell .
Gardiners slx and Extreame , plus the X-line 27ft 3k are the best 3 poke ranges out their atm ??????
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Does anyone have a link or a picture of the gooseneck that goes with this pole.
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
I will disagree and say the SLX range are a better all round pole...
Extremes are not strong at all...when I was using one I snapped 3 sections and the sections also wear down like the clappers ???
do you not realise alex has brought out a new improved xtreme pole mate?its a lot stronger and even more rigid than the previous versions and you can clamp anywhere on the pole sections.it really is a good solid pole.easily as strong as an slx now.im very impressed. :)
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He does look good on 72 doesn't he? I think I look about that age!
I think he's a little inexperienced with different poles to extol the virtues of a particular one because although he is perfectly happy with that set up he perhaps "doesn't know any better"? No disrespect intended?
I mean - that brush looked heavy and the aquadapter adds weight at the top end. If he's happy with that and getting a full day's work in then fair play to him. I wonder what his work pattern is? (In between visiting Mrs Jones at no.32 - or was it 22 - or both????) ;D
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i dont care!you wont beat an XTREME mk3 pole(25 ft) for strength,rigidity and a pure joy to use day in/day out.its very light but very strong too.not an easy thing to achieve. ;).
facelift poles are just not in the same league as gardiner poles for sure.
;D ;D
Dazmond, in your opinion... and you haven't used anything else so that opinion is in question! ;D
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does this neon pole have to be clamped at certain positions like the older extremes and whats dofferent on this one compared to the one that was copying the extreme pole?
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You can clamp anywhere on the sections.
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Is the 22ft the actual length of the pole?
pole says 22ft but 26ft reach so ide think 22ft is pole length i saw a vid were wcw got the tape mesure out to show it was what they say it was ! the neon does look nce but ive had a pheonix that just did not last as there was hardly any adjustment in the clamp ive b prity hacked off it i payed £500 and the pole only lasted 8 months like my old pheonix >:(
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/65110_1476129245982404_5545946015602659679_n.jpg?oh=129aebe9ef7332fee3a2a0bd6b7cffcb&oe=573A4C62
i had to paint the sections on it to stop it from spinning
Have window cleaners arms got longer? Companies only used to add 3 feet to the pole length - not 4.
Personally, I wish everyone would stick to pole lengths. All this marketing stuff that tries to convince people that something is different to what it actually is can be irritating. It's not just window cleaning poles - the practice goes on throughout the world of sales. Someone even tried to sell hard drives on the basis of 1,000 megabytes in a gigabyte (there are 1024).
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I find brodex the best poles out there and are extremely light. Especially with a vikan sill brush.
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Nice poles lol you want to put that new Neon brush on the end of a Brodex pole and go for the full crappy works,that Neon brush is only fit for the toilet another £30 down the toilet complete rubbish.
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Nice poles lol you want to put that new Neon brush on the end of a Brodex pole and go for the full crappy works,that Neon brush is only fit for the toilet another £30 down the toilet complete rubbish.
Well this is my neon brush after 5 hours use!!
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg.html)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg.html)
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What you saying then it's pants yeah the weight is really good for the size shame it's useless in use.
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Another brush not throughly tested in the field of the Waterfed poler,I can use a brush for about 10 minutes to see if it's fit for the job I've tried so many 95% for sale at the moment are complete rubbish. Why on earth are suppliers going for the more splay the merrier it makes no sense whatsoever, to have a brush fold flat on the glass it should have splay yes but the bristles should almost act like suspension you should have to push the pole forward slightly to get the brush to fold slightly it shouldn't fold flat under the weight of the pole at all. We've gone from boxed shape brushes to ridiculously hi lo 100% splay brushes that are hopeless to work with.
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Look at a brush these days and it looks like someone has just made it jump lol,it's almost like the worlds brush manufacturing has been given to Perry from reach it and Willy Wagtail.
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That brush doesn't just look bad, it looks HORRENDOUSLY bad!! ;D
No doubt Wagga will be on You tube soon singing it's praises. ;D
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Honestly Chum it is terrible lol really good weight for the size but they've accomplished this by taking all the bristles out,good for getting crap out from under PVC sills that's about it and it only does that cos it folds as flat as a piece of paper.
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Probably wrong but the more the brush splays surely the worse it is?
As you are cleaning with the side of a bristle and not the end?
The harder i push on bee spots the longer they take to come off!
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Honestly Chum it is terrible lol really good weight for the size but they've accomplished this by taking all the bristles out,good for getting crap out from under PVC sills that's about it and it only does that cos it folds as flat as a piece of paper.
This new Ultimate from Gardiners looks very promising.
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Probably wrong but the more the brush splays surely the worse it is?
As you are cleaning with the side of a bristle and not the end?
The harder i push on bee spots the longer they take to come off!
I agree, a brush that collapses like a "mop" is useless IMO.
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This brush does not work on dried on bird poop stubbourn marks and it would definitely not work on bee spots in the summer,also it makes you have to go up and over the top frame otherwise you'll miss the top 3" of the window due to the spay stopping the brush going up and allowing you to rinse on the top section of the window. IMO it's not been tested at all on every type of window just made a nice colour and sold,I can't believe I have just been stung again for another 30 odd sheets for a toilet brush,I might just go back to ionic multipole brushes if I'm honest and just use an average splaying brush for certain work all others out there at the mo are poope.
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Where did all this more splay is best come from if you want a brush like that buy a hi-lo vikan brush it's not needed
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I'm saying nothing about the Gardiner brush I'll wait till I've used it,it will need to be a lot different to float my boat TBH. It will need to have about 50% less splay for it to satisfy my working needs,I'm not sure what that supreme was all about that was just weird if you ask me.
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That brush doesn't just look bad, it looks HORRENDOUSLY bad!! ;D
No doubt Wagga will be on You tube soon singing it's praises. ;D
yeah old Wagga will say I've been sent this brush it's absolutely fantastic it's got a lovely splay on it we've been using it for a couple of weeks and it does what it says on the tin,job done lol more like you've all been done for another 30 notes.
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That brush doesn't just look bad, it looks HORRENDOUSLY bad!! ;D
No doubt Wagga will be on You tube soon singing it's praises. ;D
yeah old Wagga will say I've been sent this brush it's absolutely fantastic it's got a lovely splay on it we've been using it for a couple of weeks and it does what it says on the tin,job done lol more like you've all been done for another 30 notes.
lol. ;D
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I'll be buying a constructor brush next lol 💩💩💩💩💩
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NWH I thought you were a big fan of the xline mono, I know it is a little heavy for your liking (the same as gardiner sl), but you are probably best sticking with it IMO. All this money you keep spending on brushes you could treat yourself to another holiday.
I agree it beggars belief that people who keep designing these brushes do not realize the more it splays the more ineffective it is. Xline mono is best all round brush I have used (not saying it is perfect). Lighter weight brushes are nicer to use but not so effective IMO.
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Nice poles lol you want to put that new Neon brush on the end of a Brodex pole and go for the full crappy works,that Neon brush is only fit for the toilet another £30 down the toilet complete rubbish.
Well this is my neon brush after 5 hours use!!
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg.html)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg.html)
Looks like a punk rocker.
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Another brush not throughly tested in the field of the Waterfed poler,I can use a brush for about 10 minutes to see if it's fit for the job I've tried so many 95% for sale at the moment are complete rubbish. Why on earth are suppliers going for the more splay the merrier it makes no sense whatsoever, to have a brush fold flat on the glass it should have splay yes but the bristles should almost act like suspension you should have to push the pole forward slightly to get the brush to fold slightly it shouldn't fold flat under the weight of the pole at all. We've gone from boxed shape brushes to ridiculously hi lo 100% splay brushes that are hopeless to work with.
Although splay can be useful because it can mean altering the brush angle less often, it can also cause problems with stuck-on leaded windows by needing more care to avoid damaging the lead pattern.
A while ago I got a very ancient SLX brush out of mothballs (no - not the Bentley) - unsplayed and fairly soft. It's a wonderful brush but I don't know if they are still sold. I stil have an old Bentley brush too. I use it for brushing water off doorsteps sometimes.
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NWH I thought you were a big fan of the xline mono, I know it is a little heavy for your liking (the same as gardiner sl), but you are probably best sticking with it IMO. All this money you keep spending on brushes you could treat yourself to another holiday.
I agree it beggars belief that people who keep designing these brushes do not realize the more it splays the more ineffective it is. Xline mono is best all round brush I have used (not saying it is perfect). Lighter weight brushes are nicer to use but not so effective IMO.
The Xline is a good cleaning brush on lower level work and I mean lower no more than a modern 3 storey house etc,they don't want to go thinking they've really got something with that brush it's the best of its weight available at the moment but this may only be the case for the next months or so. Why don't we just say this is a good brush for its size and weight end of it's nothing radically new it has loads of bristles and plenty of them but it's far to heavy to be anywhere near the Perfect brush your want to use alday everyday.
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The Bentley was lovely and light but left dirt on the glass and didn't clean well overall although it was an ideal shape and angle for old style leads it glided over them. In winter if looked back over your work it you could still see bits the brush missed due to lack of bristles in the stock it had that scraping effect we all dread ie it looks like you couldn't be bothered to scrub.
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Makes you wonder what this new Neon pole is gonna be like? ;D ;D Do you think it's worth a punt of a few hundred quid based on the Neon brush NWH? ;D
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Lol you do like giving me stick Chum,no I will be buying 2 extremes I think 1 at 30+ ft and 1 for lower stuff probably a 25ft extreme.i think I'll stick with what I know as far as poles are concerned they are the Rols Royce of poles I had a section snap 2 weeks ago but when you think what it's earned I'll take it on the chin.
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Nice poles lol you want to put that new Neon brush on the end of a Brodex pole and go for the full crappy works,that Neon brush is only fit for the toilet another £30 down the toilet complete rubbish.
Well this is my neon brush after 5 hours use!!
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg.html)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg.html)
I have just bought 2 of these brushes :'(, probably be delivered tomorrow, after seeing this photo I think I will just send them back and ask for a refund
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Hmmmm.
Recently I've been converted to the "bristles that lay flat". I use the Gardiner supreme soft, and it does similar.
Me reasoning is that a cloth can agitate the dirt on a window very well, and that is basically like a flat brush head. No bristles on that etc.
Plus the splay allows you to get right into the corners to flick out spiders, and meanwhile the dual trim part of the brush has still got its bristles pretty upright in the glass.
I'm looking forward to the Gardiner ultimate brushes mind. From what I've seen they have less splay, so should be good for leaded as well.
Think I've got more brushes in my garage than a hairdressers.
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Nice poles lol you want to put that new Neon brush on the end of a Brodex pole and go for the full crappy works,that Neon brush is only fit for the toilet another £30 down the toilet complete rubbish.
Well this is my neon brush after 5 hours use!!
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/115BFF82-9ACF-4E08-9DF6-01D95BB9798C.jpg.html)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/B36D5630-1BBD-4D5B-B14E-14FF7B0F1C58.jpg.html)
Stephen Fox
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Re: gardiner brush quality
The aim of the NeoN was creating the ultimate lightweight brush that outperforms (and outlasts) the 'toothbrush' style brushes on the market. We saw a need for a truely superior maintenance clean brush, as what is currently available seems to be lacking. We've invested in a higher grade bristle which we hope to outlast the standard bristle found on most wfp brushes. Time will tell of course, but we are quitely confident especially with the current feedback we are getting.
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You couldn't make it up!! ;D ;D ;D
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Whatever you've invested in whatever research you've done has been a complete waste of time as you've not throughly tested the product,this brush is and I've got to say one of if not the worst brush I've ever had it is a mop disguised as a brush. I paid over 30 notes for a brush not 10% as good as a standard ionic multipole brush,people read through forums think they've seen a gap in the market and try and cash in think again m8 I purchased 1 coz no one else in my area was stupid enough to buy 1 so I could have looked at it first. There must be about £25 profit in that brush for you,and as for saying making a brush that lasts lol it lasted hours I've got brushes that are years old still usable.
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I think a combo of a
• 1st pole a Slx 22ft
• 2nd pole a 35ft Extreame
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I can see why a Neon brush would last at least twenty years.
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Don't ask me why Dave but it came with a tube of toothpaste.
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Another brush not throughly tested in the field of the Waterfed poler,I can use a brush for about 10 minutes to see if it's fit for the job I've tried so many 95% for sale at the moment are complete rubbish. Why on earth are suppliers going for the more splay the merrier it makes no sense whatsoever, to have a brush fold flat on the glass it should have splay yes but the bristles should almost act like suspension you should have to push the pole forward slightly to get the brush to fold slightly it shouldn't fold flat under the weight of the pole at all. We've gone from boxed shape brushes to ridiculously hi lo 100% splay brushes that are hopeless to work with.
NWH, you really dont like the Neon brush! And very very vocal about it!! ;D
We vast majority of feedback for the NeoN brush has been excellent, and a lot of orders have been placed so expect some more reviews. Here are a couple...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7woGLUQiQ4A
https://www.facebook.com/scottgutterclean/videos/654575401347656/
It is designed for maintenance cleans and to be lightweight, so not for every job but will suit regular work
I'm surprised how much you hate it, but there we are! If you are not happy pleasesend it back for a refund.
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So Mark used it once and give it one go and he "highly recommends" ? Maybe Mark can tell us what it's like after a month of use?
Second video doesn't load. Looking at the link is it the same Scott who used to sell the best pole on the market according to him but now doesn't?
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Number 23,
I would agree, It's kind of like reviews of certain suppliers products posted on here after a day or so use.
But just two quick examples - just to show the view posted in this thread is not universal, that is all
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The second video doesn't work, well the link doesn't anyway.
I purchased your black hose last year and even on the first couple of hours/days it was great but i didn't post a video straight away as i like to test stuff. Unless the new product is amazing.
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i bought two poles the chrsitmas before last, a pheonix (the carbon one pheonix x i think) and an slx
Gardiner pole - no problems the lable has just about come off but no spinning or any maintanace required
the pheonix - after a couple of months all sections were spinning and the clamps needed glueing then the top section became so worn you couldnt use it!
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i must say though the black hose that came with it was lovely best i have ever used
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i bought two poles the chrsitmas before last, a pheonix (the carbon one pheonix x i think) and an slx
Gardiner pole - no problems the lable has just about come off but no spinning or any maintanace required
the pheonix - after a couple of months all sections were spinning and the clamps needed glueing then the top section became so worn you couldnt use it!
Michael,
Unfortunately, every pole released on the market has had issues, including Gardiners. I know we (and Alex, etc) work hard to rectify issues as they crop up for future versions. I think you must of had the older version of the Phoenix not the Mk2? Did you contact us about it at the time?
(Glad you like the hose! :D)
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I think it's an awful brush - it knocked out one of my fillings.
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@Stephen Fox
My 7 year old SLX is still going strong - issues sorted out Free of Charge way back when. Had two lots of upgrade clamps and all is fine and dandy. Gardiners seem to sort out issues on poles they have already supplied - not just for "future" poles.
I certainly wouldn't want it spinning after a few months use (like Michael Peterson says ) thanks very much.
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my old pheonix x was nackerd b 4 1 year of use the top section was wore out lol cant c the new ones bing mch different to b fair its the clamps that just dont have the adjustment there very nce when new but 8 months down the line and there prity mch nackerd ::)roll
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ive had my slx a year now and its just starting so show signs of were i can no longer clamp the number 1 section on the red bit so i clamp it on the black bit now a inch below i recken ill get 2 years out of it b 4 it needs a replacment section ill probly e.bay b 4 then lol and get half my money bk ;D
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@Stephen Fox
My 7 year old SLX is still going strong - issues sorted out Free of Charge way back when. Had two lots of upgrade clamps and all is fine and dandy. Gardiners seem to sort out issues on poles they have already supplied - not just for "future" poles.
I certainly wouldn't want it spinning after a few months use (like Michael Peterson says ) thanks very much.
Granville,
Not quite sure what your point is..? Upgraded clamps are 'future' products. That's my point .
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Maintenance cleans my arse lol at the end of the day it's awful to use,whoever tested it and I doubt very much it's been tested coz if it was the user would have told you it has no longevity to it,the tension of the bristles are wrong the type of bristles are wrong the lack of bristles are wrong I could go on. When I work out how to upload videos on here I will demonstrate my opinions with brushes and show how they should work on different types of Windows not just showing someone cleaning a standard PVC unit which any broom-brush would work on.
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You said future versions. My point was that with Gardiners they have always supplied upgrade clamps (FoC) to those who have bought existing poles.
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You said future versions. My point was that with Gardiners they have always supplied upgrade clamps (FoC) to those who have bought existing poles.
I don't think that is actually true...I maybe wrong but 'smart' clamps was a paid upgrade for exsisting users? I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am.
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Maintenance cleans my arse lol at the end of the day it's awful to use,whoever tested it and I doubt very much it's been tested coz if it was the user would have told you it has no longevity to it,the tension of the bristles are wrong the type of bristles are wrong the lack of bristles are wrong I could go on. When I work out how to upload videos on here I will demonstrate my opinions with brushes and show how they should work on different types of Windows not just showing someone cleaning a standard PVC unit which any broom-brush would work on.
NWH,
I see you've plastered your dislike all over the Internet! (Facebook, forums, etc).
Not sure on your comments on longevity as you only had the brush a day or so. As you have seen on other forums your opinion is not the norm, in fact it's the exact opposite from a lot of other sources. I'm quite happy it's had reactions from both ends of the spectrum, rather than being 'just another brush'.
But all feedback is welcome.
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When you look at a brush like that it's fairly obvious to see why it's sooo bad! When it's dry I bet it looks fine and dandy but when it's wet the bristles are clumped together - the gaps between are massive . The Xline doesn't seem to clump and the rows are staggered so any dirt that gets through the first bunch quite likely gets picked up by the second. I often wonder if there's really much point in dual trim at all, half the time you're not sure if the middle rows even contact the glass.
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When you look at a brush like that it's fairly obvious to see why it's sooo bad! When it's dry I bet it looks fine and dandy but when it's wet the bristles are clumped together - the gaps between are massive . The Xline doesn't seem to clump and the rows are staggered so any dirt that gets through the first bunch quite likely gets picked up by the second. I often wonder if there's really much point in dual trim at all, half the time you're not sure if the middle rows even contact the glass.
Dave,
Have you got a Neon brush? Who's is saying its 'sooo bad' (apart from NWH!!) 99% of actual owners are saying it is up there with the best if not the best they have used!
And why are you comparing it to the xline brush?? It's a lot lighter for a start and has longer bristles, etc. They are not in the same style at all.
Compare an xline to a Phoenix brush and you would have a point.
Use one and compare it to a 'Supreme' brush or something akin, then form an opinion, please!!
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@Stephen Fox.
Mine were free.
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This brush TBH is not worth discussing IMO the old heavy Salmons Peter Fogwill does are better and TBH are nothing more than broom heads. A brush that folds flat on the glass is useless for window cleaning you would have been better off selling it as a solar panel brush because it folds flat under no pressure whatsoever from the operator at height. My advise would be next time test it before you put one on sale £30 is well over the top for something that must have cost very little to make,also the jets are proud of the stock making it possible to scratch Windows.
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When you look at a brush like that it's fairly obvious to see why it's sooo bad! When it's dry I bet it looks fine and dandy but when it's wet the bristles are clumped together - the gaps between are massive . The Xline doesn't seem to clump and the rows are staggered so any dirt that gets through the first bunch quite likely gets picked up by the second. I often wonder if there's really much point in dual trim at all, half the time you're not sure if the middle rows even contact the glass.
Dave,
Have you got a Neon brush? Who's is saying its 'sooo bad' (apart from NWH!!) 99% of actual owners are saying it is up there with the best if not the best they have used!
And why are you comparing it to the xline brush?? It's a lot lighter for a start and has longer bristles, etc. They are not in the same style at all.
Compare an xline to a Phoenix brush and you would have a point.
Use one and compare it to a 'Supreme' brush or something akin, then form an opinion, please!!
I'm going by what I see in the picture and it doesn't look good, it does look very good when dry but I don't clean many windows like that.
It might not be as bad as NWH is saying - some floppy brushes work quite well - I used to like the Gardiners soft Extreme years ago . Those gaps however and excessive curl after five hours use are the reason I wouldn't bother to be honest.
For that reason ......... I'm out!
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For those that have got one and also feel it's useless there is something you can do to it to at least make it useable on some Windows I'll put a pick on later if anyone's interested.
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Here's a really lightweight brush that's kept it's shape pretty well. It's an Xtreme mono stiff (I heard you like a stiff one NWH).
Anyway they were my favourite brushes for a long time then I swapped to Supremes - can't remember why.
Anyway, I dug it back out again today for a couple of jobs, I'd forgotten how much I liked it.