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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: andre w on February 03, 2016, 03:44:44 pm
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Hi new to forum first post <, I used to run a carpet cleaning firm around 7 or 8 years ago and now guess what am back ;D
i used to own truvox machines the compact and champ supreme they were awful constantly breaking down i bought them second hand that may have been why any way looking for advice am going to be investing £10 thousand including the vehicle for my new start up and am currently looking at the jaguar 8.4 as the extractor thoughts and advise all very welcome thanks andy
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I investigated machines thoroughly a few months back. I run a big TM, and wanted a top range porty as a back up. Given the power and cleaning efficiency of my TM, the porty had to come up to scratch. As well as things like vac and pump power, it had to be able to produce hot water and run with it. By that I mean I didn't want a slow inline heater that couldn't cope with the flow, like most hook on in line heaters. I broke it down to a choice between two machines. Ashby's Enforcer and Alltec's Evolution. Having been with Alltec for many years and knowing their reliability, I chose the Evolition. I also had all the extra's like auto pump out and fill. I have only used it once to now, as I said it is just my standby machine, but was very pleased with it. It is on the heavy side, so would be preferable as van mount, as a fully portable one you would need some kind of portable ramp to get it in and out of the van, and not suitable for stair climbing. On an average job you could just run longer hoses.
Hope this helps.
Dave.
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Look in the for sale section, i've got a full truckmount setup.
When i first started i bought the Jag, sold it a year later and bought the TM in the for sale section, the difference was HUGE. It cleans faster, better, carpets dry faster and if you market it right you can blow your competition.
Regards
Liviu
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Looked at evolution thanks Dave it seems slightly trumped to the jag but it does have the heater and am stuck on that just not sure if it's worth it and if it's really needed ? I always like to extract with cold or warm hot am not sure if it's needed , presprayed hot of course
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I had all ready looked liviu at your add ,all it is I really don't want to buy a machine that's not a brand new one feel like I've made that mistake before no offence intended , just want to get off with a good start i know truck mouts can get expensive servicing and replacing
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how much psi do you guys think i need the more the better or is it more but not necessariy would it be better to opt for the heater if so suppose it would be the enforcer vs the evolution
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Looked at evolution thanks Dave it seems slightly trumped to the jag but it does have the heater and am stuck on that just not sure if it's worth it and if it's really needed ? I always like to extract with cold or warm hot am not sure if it's needed , presprayed hot of course
This is the level of engineering you find on an alltec
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/stnEO9bLLi0/maxresdefault.jpg
and this is the level of engineering you find on a jaguar
http://www.fatcatcleaner.com/attachments/jessmartinjagpics008_zpsa11c3d13-jpg.2923/
Nuff said ? Do your self a favor and buy a well designed and engineered UK built machine from Alltec /Ashbys /Cleansmart
cleantalk push the Jag/cub because its the only machines they have to sell . When cleantalk/WOC tried to manufacturer their own inhouse design a year or two ago it looked nothing like a Jag but quite a bit like a Storm .... nuff said again
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alltec machines are reliable powerfully and look the business and ive been using them for over
seven years and they always impress my clients win win win and also alltec are a great family company
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;D
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Lol it's funny how much you can learn in a short time , I do appoligize Dave from my previous comments I didn't mean to insult your intelligence , I am Impressed with the enforcer will check out the evo and forget about the jag , Andrew clean talk do very much push the jag/cub glad am one for my home work because it pays to do research
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Andre
Do you intend using micro splitters and going down the Eco route
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John Martin
You keep upsetting me by showing me that Alltec machine, don't get me wrong my storm is a great machine but Alltec Evo has all the toys and it looks ultra professional.
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Andre,
Since i bought my TM i did not had any downtime. On the other hand when i bought a brand new Jag and i was doing carpet cleaning part time (2-3 jobs a week) i had to replace 3 vacs in a year and 1 month (that's £750).
A basic service is £75 at GP cleaners and £90 at Alltec if i remember correctly. I service my machine twice a year so that's £200 including fuel.
I am not trying to push my setup just sharing my experience.
Have a look online at reviews for the Maxx 450d .
Thanks
Liviu
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Can I get back to you Sean lol , what's wrong with f90 I used to use ???, like the look of evo but not the weight of it 62kg that's heavy the same weight of advance 1200 what is the reason you guys lean to the evo over the advance
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Nothing wrong with f90 just wondering that's all. I use it more as a problem solver.
Advance 1200 has a much heavier pump 1200psi the advance has 3 vac's so one is better for hard floors and the other has better waste recovery.
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With regards to hard floors what psi do you feel would be needed 600 I guess been slightly on the weak side
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Yes 600 psi is entry level but there are ways around it
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yeah think am going to better off with a rotovac and leave the psi out of it , really stuck now between the evo 600 and the enforcer at 400 really struggling going to get some quotes on these 2x see who can offer me the best bundle
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I can't speak for ashbys never dealt with them but lots have on here but I can say Alltec are very good and helpful
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the in tank heater on both machines works when the inline heater is not working ,so you cant have both on at the same time unless you ask them to, would you come unstuck on auto fill from a cold feed as tank would need to heat cold water from time to time alltec is on a auto switch between the two heaters ,ashby is on a manual switch ,is worth having a 3rd power lead so both heaters could run concurrently ? also ashby tell me there 1.5" hose is better for maneuverability and have 2" as the extensions hose from the machine , where alltec is just 2"
thoughts would be great please
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Ya, I'm convinced, John! When was the last time you saw a JAGUAR 8.4 system that wasn't two years old with the vents missing?
That was real good..................................................................lol! Wonder why you just don't concentrate on the "machine(s) you prefer to promote" instead of trying to cut down another?
Wonder why you didn't suggest honestly to andre to have a look and demo all of those units to make his own determination? Then chose which one is more powerful and put together well? Both you and I know that this would be common sense and something which all should do, right?
I'm sure that those asking for your opinion really appreciate it, especially if you were above board and honest.
"the beat goes on...........................................and on.......................................................................
Ed Valentine
cross-american.com
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Ed makes a very good point, you should try different machines and speak with all the manufacturers about them.
Ed knows everything about the jag system as he exports them to the uk distributor.
At least that way you can make an informed choice.
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Yes Andrew, you are at the same point as I was a few months ago - Evolution or Enforcer - I went with the Evo because I knew that Alltec wouldn't let me down or make excuses for anything. I'm not saying that Ashbyes would, not at all, I went with the company that supplied my last portable and 2 Tm's and van.
The Evolution comes with 2" hose and as normal is attached to a 1.5" whip line to the tool.
On arrival at the job, you would fill the tank with hot water from the customers hot tap (Heat IS important) and while you set everything else up, the in-tank heater would be switched on and heating the water to around 40degs C. When it has reached this temp, that heater is switched off and the inline heaters switched on, to provide constant hot water as you work. If you stop wanding or whatever for more than a couple of minutes, it is advisable to switch the inline heaters off to prevent them overheating. You are correct that when filling the tank on auto fill from a cold water source, you would have to switch the in-tank heater on to bring it to 40deg C. Hot water cleans better and the carpet dries faster.
Dave.
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Ya, I'm convinced, John! When was the last time you saw a JAGUAR 8.4 system that wasn't two years old with the vents missing?
vents missing ? the holes ?
I found a pic of the new 7 holes in the bottom version , which is clearly an up grade to the old four holes in the bottom version .
next year u could upgrade it to a nine hole edition , there is still room
http://images.postadsuk.com/2015/09/13/postadsuk.com-carpet-cleaning-machine-car-for-sale-property-amp-shipping.JPG
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They told me at ashby that I could have it on a separate plug in like on the 800 so if I wanted both on at the same time I could extra cost of course not sure if am making a big deal over nothing tho
Also I will be test driving any machine 1st before I buy thanks ed
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John;
At the very least you could find one of our machines which isn't so darn old. That appears to be an older Jaguar 6.6 model. But, more importantly, bet it has done a lot of great workmanship which is what really counts.
The newer Jaguar 8.4 Industrial models are all vented and enclosed on bottom. (But, bet you already knew that-LOL!)
Anyways, doesn't change my opinion of demoing equipment prior to purchase if possible. Otherwise, (using yourself as a perfect example btw) don't trash another system (especially an updated model) unless you have had the personal experience of using it.
BTW, do you happen to know what one of the top selling high performance (ETM) systems are currently in the UK? There has to be a very good reason because there are a ton of really educated and professional operators in your country with terrific reputations.
Best;
Ed Valentine
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So far with hoses wands hand tools machines and sprayers ashby are so far £500 more expensive than alltec with similar spec machines auto fill dump ect only Evo is 600 and enforcer 400 but does that really matter , need to find out the weight of the enforcer I do like the fact it does looks more portable
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Also any one used the ashby turbo vac wand , a bloke has been telling me who works there it will perform better that the sebo for pre dry soil extraction witch I find questiable ::)roll
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John;
At the very least you could find one of our machines which isn't so darn old. That appears to be an older Jaguar 6.6 model.
BTW, do you happen to know what one of the top selling high performance (ETM) systems are currently in the UK? There has to be a very good reason
Best;
Ed Valentine
yes , there is a very good reason . Its promoted on site falsely posing as a public CC discussion forum to fool newbies into buying it .