Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: sunshine windows on January 11, 2016, 12:44:26 pm
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I need around £2k worth of monthly work asap to get a new franchisee off the ground.
Can anybody recommend a reliable canvasser?
Cheers
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Used P dale several times and he's good.
What about mick Kent. He was canvassing?
Whizz bizz is booked up I believe.
My mate had used carpe dem or whatever his name is. He's booked him 2 more times. Said he's good.
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Is the cost of paying the canvasser covered by the franchisee?
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Is the cost of paying the canvasser covered by the franchisee?
;D ;D ;D ;D Classic!!
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Is the cost of paying the canvasser covered by the franchisee?
;D ;D ;D ;D Classic!!
indirectly yes I would guess the nice lump sum the franchisor receives from the franchisee would more than cover it.
I like the sound of this franchising :)
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Paul dale is good IF you can get him!!
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Yes.......
You :)
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I'm still working my own round John, so don't have the time.
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Is the cost of paying the canvasser covered by the franchisee?
;D ;D ;D ;D Classic!!
indirectly yes I would guess the nice lump sum the franchisor receives from the franchisee would more than cover it.
I like the sound of this franchising :)
Yes that's how I would do it, I was just wondering if that's how it was in this case.
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I'm still working my own round John, so don't have the time.
Surely Lance with the money you should be generating from 4 franchises you could give the new guy your round and semi retire. ;D
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I'm still working my own round John, so don't have the time.
Surely Lance with the money you should be generating from 4 franchises you could give the new guy your round and semi retire. ;D
That's why I decided not to go down the franchise route. You need 5 franchisees generating the same as you generate yourself (i.e. five times current turnover) to be able to do that. If you employ you can do it with two employees generating less than double the work the sole trader has. Ok, you don't hit the VAT threshold and you don't have the admin overhead, but you're still effectively managing the franchisees.
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I'm still working my own round John, so don't have the time.
Surely Lance with the money you should be generating from 4 franchises you could give the new guy your round and semi retire. ;D
That's why I decided not to go down the franchise route. You need 5 franchisees generating the same as you generate yourself (i.e. five times current turnover) to be able to do that. If you employ you can do it with two employees generating less than double the work the sole trader has. Ok, you don't hit the VAT threshold and you don't have the admin overhead, but you're still effectively managing the franchisees.
Genuine question why wouldn't you hit the VAT threshold.
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I'm still working my own round John, so don't have the time.
Surely Lance with the money you should be generating from 4 franchises you could give the new guy your round and semi retire. ;D
That's why I decided not to go down the franchise route. You need 5 franchisees generating the same as you generate yourself (i.e. five times current turnover) to be able to do that. If you employ you can do it with two employees generating less than double the work the sole trader has. Ok, you don't hit the VAT threshold and you don't have the admin overhead, but you're still effectively managing the franchisees.
Genuine question why wouldn't you hit the VAT threshold.
Because you are only taking 20% of the total turnover. To get to the threshold the total of the franchisees has to be £1/2m.
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Sounds like a big headache to me I reckon it would all get so complicated they would be fleesing you dry,would you honestly go all the way and take them to court if they all of a sudden stopped paying your fee. It would be so difficult to track what work they had etc,they might have built there own relationship up with the customer and they might take there side if it came to it. Commercially different story but domestic I'm thinking it would give lots of problems more than being in the tools at times,Ian Lancaster must be lucky the guys that bought into it must be model citizens
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Sounds like a big headache to me I reckon it would all get so complicated they would be fleesing you dry,would you honestly go all the way and take them to court if they all of a sudden stopped paying your fee. It would be so difficult to track what work they had etc,they might have built there own relationship up with the customer and they might take there side if it came to it. Commercially different story but domestic I'm thinking it would give lots of problems more than being in the tools at times,Ian Lancaster must be lucky the guys that bought into it must be model citizens
2 words, Franchise Agreement.
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2k a month of extra work! Easy if you break it up.
Go and find 1000 sold boards over a 10/15 mile radius, at least 20% will want a window cleaner for there new home, charge £10 a pop and Bobs your uncle.
Find all the new build estates that have just gone up or in the process and hit them at every possible chance, new build customers are easy to get although competition is more fierce as many have the same idea so best to get in quick. With enough new build areas within distance you would find 200 £10 jobs easy.
Go on wforsale.com and buy the 2k of work as you must be doing well if your going to go the franchise route.
Or do a mixture of the 3 ;)
Id avoid paying a canvasser unless your going to be doing all the first few cleans yourself as otherwise when the canvasser phones to query all the dropouts you wont have the reason that the franchisee didnt do a good job on the 1st cleans which i found happend all the time canvassing for franchise outfits.
You can do it, you don't need anybody else other than yourself and a bit of positivity to hit your target.
Go and smash it :-)
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£10 a pop jobs I rest my case I can't compete with that lol.
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I can't see how you can police a domestic round agreement or not,once they've been cleaning it for a while they could say anything I've lost the work blah blah blah.It would become I nightmare going round all the customers to check whether there still cleaning them etc. You would have to be prepared to do that and even then if they sounded out the customers I can't see there being anything anyone could do,they say they no longer have the work what could you do.
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Not quite there yet Smurf, to be able to sit back and relax!
NWH there are risks involved in employment as well as franchising. I genuinely believe a franchisee would be more loyal than somebody being paid a pittance for their efforts, knowing the boss is creaming it in.
The only £10 jobs I have are front only like yourself Mick. Good idea targeting the sold/sale properties. I've found new estates a waste of time if I'm honest. A couple of cleans and the novelty wears off.
The last leaflet drop I did got quite a good return, so I may go down that route again.
Cheers
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I have employed for nearly 10 years and it can be a nightmare-joke all rolled into 1,the best way to advertise a job in this game is to say window cleaner required Tuesday Wednesday Thursday only,Friday's off to get ready for going out on the p and Monday's off to get over your hangover included in the job lol.having staff is mostly likely to increase your productivity by a 1/3 not 50% they don't work as hard as you they turn up late if at all and can't wait to get home,I found the worse thing you can do with staff is to finish early quiet a few days over a short period,they start thinking you'll finish earlier most days after a while.
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It can make you life a bit easier but when you sit down and do the figures your not much better off by much when you include the crap they give you,good wage or bad.
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I have employed for nearly 10 years and it can be a nightmare-joke all rolled into 1,the best way to advertise a job in this game is to say window cleaner required Tuesday Wednesday Thursday only,Friday's off to get ready for going out on the p and Monday's off to get over your hangover included in the job lol.having staff is mostly likely to increase your productivity by a 1/3 not 50% they don't work as hard as you they turn up late if at all and can't wait to get home,I found the worse thing you can do with staff is to finish early quiet a few days over a short period,they start thinking you'll finish earlier most days after a while.
I agree with your last sentence. The rest is down to your skill (or lack of) as an employer. ;)
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Doesn't matter how skilful you think you are as an employer most people that take a job window cleaning have done most other jobs and have an appalling attitude,if you can find someone who makes sure he does a good job does as he's told and turns up 5 days a week you'll be one of the first I know. It sounds harsh but most of them I've come across would slot into the Jeremy Kyle show a treat,every problem they've got with there other half and kids becomes yours.
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That's the beauty of franchising. The potential is there for the franchisee to be turning over just short of the Vat threshold on us own. Makes it more appealing than being paid £10 or less an hour.
One of mine was on £17,500 per annum. Took a massive leap of faith with a business loan to get the van and pay the fee. He's now one of the happiest blokes around and has no financial worries.
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Doesn't matter how skilful you think you are as an employer most people that take a job window cleaning have done most other jobs and have an appalling attitude,if you can find someone who makes sure he does a good job does as he's told and turns up 5 days a week you'll be one of the first I know. It sounds harsh but most of them I've come across would slot into the Jeremy Kyle show a treat,every problem they've got with there other half and kids becomes yours.
Why hire people like that?
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It's not a case of hiring them by choice it's the type of person that this job attracts IMO,people think anyone can do that job it's only cleaning windows. I has one bloke I went through things with him and after 2 hours with me telling him and explaining to him how I wanted things doing he looked at me and said how hard can it be its only window cleaning,I stopped the van turned round and dropped him back off and said I don't think this is going to work do you lol. He just said fair enough and got out the van and that was that,what I'm saying is that the majority of people going for window cleaning jobs apply because they think it's easy and care free with no hassle for them they don't think of it as a proper job that you have to do 5-6 days a week and be taught to know what your doing.
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I need around £2k worth of monthly work asap to get a new franchisee off the ground.
Can anybody recommend a reliable canvasser?
Cheers
The best canvasser in my opinion is yourself if you have. Time.
People buy from people if they like the look of you they will give you a go,also you are seeing and pricing the work so you then know what your getting for the price and know what is in store,ie access and the type of customer,that's my opinion others will have other views
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I'm still working my own round John, so don't have the time.
Surely Lance with the money you should be generating from 4 franchises you could give the new guy your round and semi retire. ;D
That's why I decided not to go down the franchise route. You need 5 franchisees generating the same as you generate yourself (i.e. five times current turnover) to be able to do that. If you employ you can do it with two employees generating less than double the work the sole trader has. Ok, you don't hit the VAT threshold and you don't have the admin overhead, but you're still effectively managing the franchisees.
But how long does that take? I go out quoting on enquiries (a couple of hours a week at the most), my wife invoices the franchisees for their royalties (2-3 hours once a week). Apart from that I am available most of the day, within reason, to sort problems, repair equipment etc but it's a rare week I spend more that 2-3 hours doing this. In the last couple of weeks we have gone through one franchisee's customer base and upped all the prices - time consuming, yes - we had to write to every customer with details of the increase and explaining our reasons for the increase, but this was the first time in several years!!
Compare that to the constant involvement required with employees - no contest ;)
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I'm still working my own round John, so don't have the time.
Surely Lance with the money you should be generating from 4 franchises you could give the new guy your round and semi retire. ;D
That's why I decided not to go down the franchise route. You need 5 franchisees generating the same as you generate yourself (i.e. five times current turnover) to be able to do that. If you employ you can do it with two employees generating less than double the work the sole trader has. Ok, you don't hit the VAT threshold and you don't have the admin overhead, but you're still effectively managing the franchisees.
But how long does that take? I go out quoting on enquiries (a couple of hours a week at the most), my wife invoices the franchisees for their royalties (2-3 hours once a week). Apart from that I am available most of the day, within reason, to sort problems, repair equipment etc but it's a rare week I spend more that 2-3 hours doing this. In the last couple of weeks we have gone through one franchisee's customer base and upped all the prices - time consuming, yes - we had to write to every customer with details of the increase and explaining our reasons for the increase, but this was the first time in several years!!
Compare that to the constant involvement required with employees - no contest ;)
Fare play to you Ian as sounds like you have a good franchise business model in place.
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Thankfully unlike NWH we've had very little problems with out guys, sickness virtually zero, they work hard, always willing to do a little more if required and even work late through the night when we've had to.
I think it's down to your selection process...
Darran
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Ex army are the best people to give a job too as long as they weren't cooking for all the other soldiers lol
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Ex army are the best people to give a job too as long as they weren't cooking for all the other soldiers lol
To be honest, given all the things you've written about people that have worked for you I don't think you're in a position to advise. ;)
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No you would be much better off taking advise from someone who has been working for thereselve for about 6-7 years eh.