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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on May 15, 2006, 01:16:28 pm

Title: drought order ?
Post by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on May 15, 2006, 01:16:28 pm
hi all

just saw that there is a drought order in place in surrey does this mean no window cleaning?

shawn
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Morph on May 15, 2006, 01:25:59 pm
Essential business use only!
All non essential business use banned.  That means wfp, I should think.
You guys down there will know.
Sorry
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Paul Coleman on May 15, 2006, 01:30:36 pm
Essential business use only!
All non essential business use banned.  That means wfp, I should think.
You guys down there will know.
Sorry

Secretary of State has recommended that WFP not banned as I understand it, but Sutton and East Surrey Water don't have to take any notice of him.
That's odd !!  When I last voted, I thought I elected politicians - not water company prima donnas.
(Actually, that's not quite true.  I voted against certain politicians rather than for them   :-)    )
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: macc on May 15, 2006, 01:31:20 pm
no, not yet, it gives them the right to ban none essential use at there discreation.

mind you i was very impressed with there record profit ::)

2 BILLION  :o

i wish i could put my prices up 20% per year, tell my customers they will get less for there money, (ie hose pipe ban etc).

macc
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: David 'Duck' Clare on May 15, 2006, 01:32:28 pm
Essential business use only!
All non essential business use banned.  That means wfp, I should think.
You guys down there will know.
Sorry

Secretary of State has recommended that WFP not banned as I understand it, but Sutton and East Surrey Water don't have to take any notice of him.
That's odd !!  When I last voted, I thought I elected politicians - not water company prima donnas.
(Actually, that's not quite true.  I voted against certain politicians rather than for them   :-)    )

i agree with you on that one shinner

by the way - did you get that job?

DC
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Gordon Watson on May 15, 2006, 04:59:18 pm
The company concerned is banning the use of water for "the cleaning of the exterior of buildings, other than windows" but also bans "the cleaning of windows by hosepipe, sprinkler or other similar apparatus which is connected directly to the mains supply;". See http://www.waterplc.com/WaterPlc/drought/droughtorder.html

Gordon
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: JM123 on May 15, 2006, 05:15:05 pm
does that mean then that anyone found to be using wfp is exempt from the order as the pump etc is not directly in line with the mains supply, or does it just mean that you cant use your RO/DI?
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: windows_chepstow on May 15, 2006, 05:17:11 pm
Gordon's correct.

A quote from official drought order in the link says you can't use water for:

Quote
the cleaning of windows by hosepipe, sprinkler or other similar apparatus which is connected directly to the mains supply;

So since the majority of WFP systems aren't directly connected to the mains supply; it doesn't affect your work.
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: s.hughes on May 15, 2006, 06:52:48 pm
Does this mean then that we cant use the ro/di to get the water in the 1st place, coz however you look at it, it comes from the mains.

Steve
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Paul Coleman on May 15, 2006, 06:52:55 pm
Essential business use only!
All non essential business use banned.  That means wfp, I should think.
You guys down there will know.
Sorry

Secretary of State has recommended that WFP not banned as I understand it, but Sutton and East Surrey Water don't have to take any notice of him.
That's odd !!  When I last voted, I thought I elected politicians - not water company prima donnas.
(Actually, that's not quite true.  I voted against certain politicians rather than for them   :-)    )

i agree with you on that one shinner

by the way - did you get that job?

DC

Hi David.
I couldn't get hold of anyone on Saturday but I've arranged to have a look at and quote the job on Wednesday evening (before the Champions League final of course   :)  ).  Hopefully, the clean will take place shortly after that.  Thanks for putting me on to it.
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Paul Coleman on May 15, 2006, 07:14:08 pm
Does this mean then that we cant use the ro/di to get the water in the 1st place, coz however you look at it, it comes from the mains.

Steve

Sssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  !!!    :)

Seriously, I don't think that is an issue.  I believe that it is viewed the same way as if you filled your bath with water (direct from the mains) and then watered your garden by dipping into it with a bucket.  Don't take my word for it though because there do seem to be contradictions in logic with this drought order stuff.
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Simply Clean Windows on May 15, 2006, 07:15:56 pm
spoke to thames water the other evening,its sounds as so they will be applying for a drought order pretty soon,one way of getting around the ban is to get your water from an area not effected from the ban,so if the ban comes into thames water i might be asking for some names and addresses of u lot,just in case anyone asks where i got my water from. if u know what i mean
malc
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: stuart webster on May 15, 2006, 07:24:11 pm
Just looked on Severn Trents site which covers Derbyshire.

They expect a hosepipe ban at most 3 times in any 100 year period.

Water levels at 99%.

Sorry guys!
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: callum macleod on May 15, 2006, 07:34:04 pm
hi i live in severn trent water supply did you say that they have 99% water levels? does that mean a hose pipe ban is unlikely?? thanks callum

Just looked on Severn Trents site which covers Derbyshire.

They expect a hosepipe ban at most 3 times in any 100 year period.

Water levels at 99%.

Sorry guys!
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: stuart webster on May 15, 2006, 07:36:54 pm
http://www.stwater.co.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.1671

No question of a ban. ;D
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: callum macleod on May 15, 2006, 07:59:15 pm
that link doesn't work? ???
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: stuart webster on May 15, 2006, 08:05:27 pm
Try this, then search "hosepipe ban"

http://www.stwater.co.uk/
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Paul Coleman on May 15, 2006, 08:08:50 pm
Try this, then search "hosepipe ban"

http://www.sthingyer.co.uk/

It keeps substituting thingy for whatever word you are typing   ;D
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: windows_chepstow on May 15, 2006, 08:20:53 pm
Gordon's correct.

A quote from official drought order in the link says you can't use water for:

Quote
the cleaning of windows by hosepipe, sprinkler or other similar apparatus which is connected directly to the mains supply;

So since the majority of WFP systems aren't directly connected to the mains supply; it doesn't affect your work.

If you use a WFP and while working your system isn't directly connected to a mains supply; it doesn't affect your work.

I think the wording is worded to prevent people from watering their lawns, and when caught, claim they were cleaning their windows.

I'm sure 'they' don't want to prevent you from making an honest living; they're only after stopping garden-proud home-owners from keeping their grass wet; and providing them with a 'get out of jail' excuse.

So, after reading the drought order; if your WFP system isn't DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE MAINS SUPPLY, then you can still work.

I'm no lawyer, but it seems simple enough to me.
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Morph on May 15, 2006, 08:28:53 pm
Yes, I've read it all through, and listened to the news info.  You've got it right Tosh.
The Water companies are going to apply it.... with consideration.
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: KJG on May 15, 2006, 08:32:52 pm
spoke to thames water the other evening,its sounds as so they will be applying for a drought order pretty soon,one way of getting around the ban is to get your water from an area not effected from the ban,so if the ban comes into thames water i might be asking for some names and addresses of u lot,just in case anyone asks where i got my water from. if u know what i mean
malc

I don't know what you mean, uncle Malcolm ;) But when you came up to Birmingham to visit and fill up your reach and wash van thingy you forgot to have a look at my PayPal account...cough
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: roo on May 15, 2006, 10:24:58 pm
i checked the southern water web site.nothing about window cleaning being banned.also read the drought order for surrey.it does read only if you are directly connected to mains not to clean.i bring my own water and dont connect to a mains while cleanning so i take it im o.k?  o.k? ???
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Easyclean Windows on May 15, 2006, 10:40:48 pm
Im with anglian ok up here

from there site water resources update
January/February/March

 


March rainfall has been below average, which follows on from below average rainfall during both winter 2004/2005 and 2005/2006. Winter rainfall is important for recharging rivers and groundwater.
 

Although our water resources are lower than they were this time last year, they remain secure with all reservoirs within their normal operating range.
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: 24-7 S C Services on May 15, 2006, 11:39:14 pm
Good evening everyone

We are able to share with you the information that the APWC has received today about the drought order.

Please visit the APWC web site and follow directions to the drought order page, where you will be able to download the relevant PDF files.


Many Thanks


Andrew


Ps. you can email me for the link
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: JohnL on May 16, 2006, 08:08:44 am
as you cant post a direct link is a secret or something

JohnL
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: callum macleod on May 16, 2006, 08:12:45 am
hi can you post a link please thanks callum

Good evening everyone

We are able to share with you the information that the APWC has received today about the drought order.

Please visit the APWC web site and follow directions to the drought order page, where you will be able to download the relevant PDF files.


Many Thanks


Andrew


Ps. you can email me for the link
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: JohnL on May 16, 2006, 09:15:56 am
hah hah, I found the link, the info, the forum page and all I need to know about the APWC after doing a search from the top of this page.

Interesting

JohnL
Title: Re: drought order ?
Post by: Newby on May 16, 2006, 11:33:36 am
http://www.apwc.info/html/drought_information.html