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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Steven Biggs on December 23, 2015, 07:18:23 pm
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The lad cleaned 3 semis all next to each other this morning . All the backs were perfect , but all in the shade . The fronts had taken a beating the last 4 weeks , wind and rain . They dried terrible in the low sun . I went and recleaned em , only slightly better finish . I was embarrassed asking for the money . They all paid but not entirely happy , Is it the low sun drying em too fast and showing every speck on the glass , or is it the brush . We both used super lite mono , but they are both 4 months old and worn . Do they lose there power . Last day of the year as well . And the first complaint . ???
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Whats your TDS, did you rinse off the glass, was it the insides, can you clean windows etc...
Mate it could have been a number of reasons, maybe try using a bit more water.
Also maybe wipe and then rinse the top frame before you clean the rest of the window (if you're not already)
Personally, chill your beans and enjoy an Xmas break ;D
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Tds is zero . Defo outside and I used loads of water and rinse off the glass . Cleaned these wfp for 7 years . Never get any other issues. . Ah sod it I've forgotten about it already . ;D
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Have you only just realised wfp is crap when the sun is shining directly on glass even worse when it's really hot :o
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Can never be the brush.
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I had the same this morning , scrubbed and rinsed well but when the sun came out I thought WTF!!
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Have you only just realised wfp is crap when the sun is shining directly on glass even worse when it's really hot :o
Precisely - I've been saying the same thing for the past eight years. It's basically crap but works most of the time.
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No wonder my customers with net curtains in every room tipped me the most this xmas!! ;D ;D
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If only there was something to help with cleaning ;D ;)
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There is ....... clouds!
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Exactly what I said . We will clean that street only when it's cloudy the next few times . ;D
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There is ....... clouds!
Cloudy days are my favourite! ;D
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If only there was something to help with cleaning ;D ;)
I bet 'V' doesn't do diddly squat for direct sunlight problems
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If only there was something to help with cleaning ;D ;)
Squeegee on a pole ;)
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You guys where well warned by the traditional guys, they told you many times that it was better but would
you listen.
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You guys where well warned by the traditional guys, they told you many times that it was better but would
you listen.
;D ;D
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never noticed the sun thing
f*** em, ill take a few complaints over trad any day
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No wonder that guy invented that torch on a pole for night time cleaning - customer ' my windows are full of spots!'
Windy ' they were fine when I cleaned them ' ;D ;D
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never noticed the sun thing
f*** em, ill take a few complaints over trad any day
That is a great attitude to have adam, i am sure you will go far with same. ???
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I thinks It's a good job most custys probably don't even check the windows.. ;D
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I do my windows WFP and they look a right state when looking out in direct sun, runs from the top openers that you never see from the outside, dirty water stains at the bottom of the glass etc absolute disgrace they are!
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
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Cleaned my own windows, in and out, in the low sun today and they looked immaculate.
I did take my time though as was trying to get out of the hoovering.
The longer you spend scrubbing and rinsing, the better the results, in any light.
Obviously when your out working though time is money so your trying to get through everything that bit quicker, and can quite easily miss small sections of glass without realising.
Vision helps with that ;)
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was it windy as well as sunny?if so thats your problem right there.blowing dust onto the droplets or on the window when dry.
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'Twas a lovely warm Decembers morning
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I found it very hard to get perfect results using wfp until I stopped wearing my glasses while out cleaning
now I get perfect results every time,so agree with Chris vision does help a lot.
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its windy here today but ill still be out cleaning in it.
3 hours work left to do before xmas break. :)
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was it windy as well as sunny?if so thats your problem right there.blowing dust onto the droplets or on the window when dry.
What I want too know is what's slowing him down so much that he's still around when the windows are dry
you never gets these problems when you master the art of splash and dash. ;D
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its windy here today but ill still be out cleaning in it.
3 hours work left to do before xmas break. :)
You work in all weathers and still have to work on Christmas eve :o I'm out today but at least I have the excuse that I'm
too big a sissy to work in the storms. ;D
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I was actually getting these problems on my house, they look perfect in normal day light , just when the sun was low?
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I was actually getting these problems on my house, they look perfect in normal day light , just when the sun was low?
Dazmond is right its just the weather and it wouldn't matter what method you use, the air is full of crap at the moment.
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Sean k . What's slowing me down so much that I'm still around when the windows dry . It's called having a good compact round . The work I did Wednesday morning 8 - 11.30 . Was all in one cul de sac . Parked up pull hose out . Lad gets the trolley out , move the van once further down the close while leaving the hose out .finish reel in . Spend 5 minutes collecting and ticketing . And that's 2 of us grafting . ;)
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Sean k . What's slowing me down so much that I'm still around when the windows dry . It's called having a good compact round . The work I did Wednesday morning 8 - 11.30 . Was all in one cul de sac . Parked up pull hose out . Lad gets the trolley out , move the van once further down the close while leaving the hose out .finish reel in . Spend 5 minutes collecting and ticketing . And that's 2 of us grafting . ;)
What :o two of you grafting in a cul de sac and still there when the windows are dry, how many properties are in this cul de sac
50 ?
As with the first comment I'm just joking I do the same and go back to the odd property just to check the quality, at times
I don't think its the sensible thing to do though. ;D
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
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gonna up the flow rate, see if that makes a difference
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If only there was something to help with cleaning ;D ;)
Hot & vison x combo maybe works well for me damo ;D
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
We all know pureified cold water don't cut it on manky glass don't we chaps or you should by now surely ::)roll
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
So if it's imperfections on the glass how come it wipes of with a mop and blade ???
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
We all know pureified cold water don't cut it on manky glass don't we chaps or you should by now surely ::)roll
You do talk rot at times Smurf, but then as with most of your posts they mean very little to all those able to achieve what
always seems to be beyond your capacity.
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30 properties of which I do 28 . Mix of semis and detatched . I actually did go back to one downstairs lounge window and soaped it and bladed it . It was better but still small spots that wouldn't shift
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
So if it's imperfections on the glass how come it wipes of with a mop and blade ???
How I'm I supposed to know as you haven't told us what you think is on this glass or why the water wont remove it.
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
We all know pureified cold water don't cut it on manky glass don't we chaps or you should by now surely ::)roll
You do talk rot at times Smurf, but then as with most of your posts they mean very little to all those able to achieve what
always seems to be beyond your capacity.
The truth hurts don't it as cold purified water on its own sucks ;D
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30 properties of which I do 28 . Mix of semis and detatched . I actually did go back to one downstairs lounge window and soaped it and bladed it . It was better but still small spots that wouldn't shift
Did you try using a scrapper to see if they would come off ? it sounds like it was just ingrained marks on the glass, wfp
seems to show these up more than traditional methods as you aren't left with the glossy film/coating.
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
We all know pureified cold water don't cut it on manky glass don't we chaps or you should by now surely ::)roll
You do talk rot at times Smurf, but then as with most of your posts they mean very little to all those able to achieve what
always seems to be beyond your capacity.
Fixed that for you :D
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lol lots of sarky comments ;D rince more and u will get perfect resalts
Nothing to do with sarcy comments mate its the truth...wfp is terrible on some windows in the sun and that's a fact...
No its not, water will clean the glass to perfection as long as there isn't any oily substances on it which fortunately for is us
is rarely the case.
What your seeing in full sun is all the imperfections on the glass or anything that has been deposited on it after we have
finished.
Yes on a hot summers day I would recommend you up the flow a little and spend a little more time as the water can dry off
before the dirt has been fully removed but there's no excuse for not getting all non oil based dirt of the glass.
We all know pureified cold water don't cut it on manky glass don't we chaps or you should by now surely ::)roll
You do talk rot at times Smurf, but then as with most of your posts they mean very little to all those able to achieve what
always seems to be beyond your capacity.
Fixed that for you :D
;D ;D ;D
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Merry Christmas Alan ;D
Maybe new years resolution would be to sign back in at WCF ;)
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Wouldn't use s scraper . Those marks were only on that window . The rest was down to wfp cleaning . Very poor .never used an additive yet. But now thinking about trying one .
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Merry Christmas Alan ;D
Maybe new years resolution would be to sign back in at WCF ;)
Merry Christmas Damo ;)
Regards to WCF my account has been locked down by admin and a banned message pops up so all I can do is login in and nothing else.
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I've noticed I always get really bad results when cleaning my own house windows, particularly when the low sun is shinning on them, so I've started trading the bottom windows and found them slightly better than water fed pole but still not perfect. Also they definitely get dirty again faster when cleaned by trad. I cleaned them week ago and looking at them now they are filthy!
I've come the the conclusion that it must be due to the age of the windows and the hammering of the weather on them over the years means they will never have a perfect finish. ???
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Wouldn't use s scraper . Those marks were only on that window . The rest was down to wfp cleaning . Very poor .never used an additive yet. But now thinking about trying one .
On some glass you will come across using trad and even wfp method (plus additives) you will find will not remove staining/spotting so ends up being a glass restoration jobby. On double glazzed units just make sure its not on the inside surfaces of the glass or you might end up looking a right plonker ;D
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Wouldn't use s scraper . Those marks were only on that window . The rest was down to wfp cleaning . Very poor .never used an additive yet. But now thinking about trying one .
Why wouldn't you use a scraper ? its a good way to check if its something is ingrained in the glass or not in other words
if a scraper wont remove it then its not your problem and as Smurf has said its a restoration job.
I would also show the customer this just to prove that its not down to bad workmanship.
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After reading this post the sun came out - so I've cleaned my windows inside and out ................ the ones facing the sun are crap (as always). It's very gusty. I previously blamed the GG4 in my water but it ain't that this time. So either the wind deposits dirt or wfp under close scrutiny is basically rubbish. To be honest the second explanation is the one I always use. It's a bloody dreadful method of cleaning glass. Strange thing is - my customers haven't cottoned on yet ;D
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After reading this post the sun came out - so I've cleaned my windows inside and out ................ the ones facing the sun are crap (as always). It's very gusty. I previously blamed the GG4 in my water but it ain't that this time. So either the wind deposits dirt or wfp under close scrutiny is basically rubbish. To be honest the second explanation is the one I always use. It's a bloody dreadful method of cleaning glass. Strange thing is - my customers haven't cottoned on yet ;D
;D ;D ;D
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After reading this post the sun came out - so I've cleaned my windows inside and out ................ the ones facing the sun are crap (as always). It's very gusty. I previously blamed the GG4 in my water but it ain't that this time. So either the wind deposits dirt or wfp under close scrutiny is basically rubbish. To be honest the second explanation is the one I always use. It's a bloody dreadful method of cleaning glass. Strange thing is - my customers haven't cottoned on yet ;D
I agree Dave...I think a lot on here think we're joking about it ;D
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Same window - different angles look at the spots top left corner horrendous! I washed them five times the other week and couldn't get them clean. ;D
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We think of window cleaning 100% of the time.
Customers think about it 0.5 % of the time.
We don't have to be perfect. Just decent. :)
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I find it embarrassing though, I close my blinds when the sun comes out!
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A bad workman always blames his tools you see it in all professions. ;D
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Press box Villa park WFP?
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Good spot. ;D
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We think of window cleaning 100% of the time.
Customers think about it 0.5 % of the time.
We don't have to be perfect. Just decent. :)
Bang on the money that comment,and imo it's the main reason why we get away with cleaning houses in such quick time. More often than not they clean up very well but to say they come up spotless everytime is just not going to be true if you inspected every window. Certain PVC Windows do clean up better than you'd get them trad even in direct sunlight but some older Windows in sunlight do leave marks it's unavoidable on certain Windows.
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Saying that I would never trad a whole house if I did get such complaints I would use my noddle,if a kitchen window is a problem window or a living room window the same I would either do the sunny side of the house first and then check it or quickly just blade it off with detergent,we can get over paranoid about it and as said customers simply just don't go round with a magnifying glass. You always hear from time to time about window cleaners getting complaints from customers 9 times out of 10 they are retired and have nothing better to do than go round checking windows,how many people get complaints from people who are out working alday and return to find a ticket saying we called and did them.
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Good point NWH, I think possibly it may be a case off over thinking things, sat there in a south facing room expecting your windows to be perfect, then start imagining what the custys are saying in their south facing rooms 🤔 . I doubt custys get their noses right upto their windows examining every inch after we've all been . I suppose when you try your hardest to do a perfect job, you will never be satisfied as you could've done something better.
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I see a window is not perfect and at times I still walk away cos I know it's acceptable,WFP does not do a perfect job on all Windows that's not possible but you should over time get used to the results your going to get on your particular jobs. I find the PVC with proud rubber seals worse than wooden Windows and old leads at times,they sometimes give dreadful results in direct sunlight when it looks like you've under scrubbed them they produce what looks like areas that have been missed when on inspection it's coming from the rubber seals. The new PVC Windows with recessed seals are a godsend to the WFPoler due to it stopping this happening these windows are way way quicker to clean with far better results,the time WFP saves is a no brained though for me I would never go back to ladders and bucket I'd rather drop the particular job than do that.
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It's a double edged sword this time of the year we get less daylight to see the odd mark but the sun is low so mistakes are seen more easily,in the summer though if you have made a boo boo it can been seen sitting in a lounge or kitchen up until 10 o'clock at night though in mid summer. Taking this into account I will take the winter over summer everytime,I find although there's less hours to work you seem to crack on more in the winter with shorter days and with it being cooler you get more done in less time,in the summer it can get to 1 o'clock and you feel drained with the heat and sun on your face. In the summer you always think I'll do more tomorrow until it comes and it's hot again.