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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: stuart_clark on December 17, 2015, 11:39:23 am
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Ahbys Enforcer or Cleansmart Storm which would you choose ? I have the Storm of which I am very happy with and since owning Scorpions I do prefer the in parallel set up , but sometimes wished the storm had a built in heater ! Saying that you see quite a few Enfocers for sale but not so many Storms , why is this ?
I bought the storm because of the excellent build quality, the fact you can get at all the major components in minutes and the vac motors are set in parallel and it was a nice light machine
I know Russ and Steve Gunn are very happy with there inforcers and Steve has told me its the best machine he has ever owned
so why are there so many Enforcers coming up for sale ?
stuart
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Currently wading my way through all the discussions on this and particularly looking at anything re the enforcer (stupid name for a carpet cleaning machine but never mind. big cats or weather events aren't any better). My Prochem machine is due an upgrade.
I like the onboard heat and a single plug for everything else.
The most hose I'm likely to need is 100' - mostly 50' is enough though I used 75' yesterday.
Enforcer seems very ergonomic with some good design touches.
I like that some other machines have a drop hose for external feed.
The portable industry seems to have gone towards parallel rather than series vacs for top end machines.
But mostly my deliberations go round in circles. The only definate is not anything by Prochem.
I should really get a demo on each of the possibles but that is a lot of time travelling & not earning.
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I really like the look of the alltec machines, and there's still the option of built in heat. Though they are the dearest and heavy I believe. I would like to try one before buying anything else
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After trying the Airflex in parallel and series it is clear to me that parallel is better even though I was a staunch believer in series before that. I have never had an enforcer but it looks like a nice machine though. There are probibly loads of enforcers for sale because people buy a machine but can't get enough work to run a business.
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I think you will find that Cleansmart will fit an interior heating...just ask
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I have 2 alltec advanced 600psi and 1200psi and all I can say is how brilliant they are ,they look amazing
very reliable and the performance is 2nd to none I would have no hesitation in buying another one.
also the staff are excellent as well you always get what you pay for there may be cheaper machines on
the market but they just don't compare imo happy cleaning
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Stuart, the Enforcer is now available with parallel vac option as well as in series, plus choice of 5.7, 6.6 and 7.2 vacs. I have used an Enforcer for 3 years now and am just about to order another but may choose the parallel vac option this time.
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Stuart, the Enforcer is now available with parallel vac option as well as in series, plus choice of 5.7, 6.6 and 7.2 vacs. I have used an Enforcer for 3 years now and am just about to order another but may choose the parallel vac option this time.
So are they keeping it secret ? nothing on their Fb or website . Always thought they could shift more units if they just offered a parallel option . Would interesting to see what kinda of manfold they use to join to the vac connected to the waste tank . Or are both vacs on the floor ... hmm
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Can someone explain to a technical numpty - in laymans terms the difference between in series and in parallel.
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Series gives double lift and airflow of 1 vac
Parallel double airflow and waterlift of 1 vac
Parallel machines better for longer hose run.
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it's on the web site, you just need to look!
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it's on the web site, you just need to look!
Your right !
must be new thing :D
I see its almost with a degree of reluctance , they still recommend the 'in series ' version .
So they are also sticking with the one power cord thing mostly , so u get one hd and one sd in parallel also ...
so business as usual on the modifying front , just rip out the SD motor and replace :)
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I will definitely buy one if they are in parallel ! Would prefer 6.6 motors but what the heck electro would be just as good
I wouldn't go for 7.2s as I would be going back in time, Extracta fitted them to there machines and they were not reliable
I've had my Storm six months now and I haven't had a jot of trouble with the 6.6 motors ! Touch wood
Stuart
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They are the 6.6
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take a very good machine to make me change from the storm..............
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They are the 6.6
So u asked ? and the 6.6 will be a two cord ? with or with out heat ? not the 3kw inbuilt steammate i doubt anyway .
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No I didn't ask, the info is on their facebook page with a link to their website.
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No I didn't ask, the info is on their facebook page with a link to their website.
Ok , I got it .
Whoa ! ... they are really going for the Storms jugular .
Immersion heater on detachable third cord i did not envisage .
Gotta love the twin exhausts ... nice for attaching a parallel booster !
I can see lots of storms coming up for sale :D
http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.co.uk/enforcer-carpet-cleaning-machine-800-psi-pump-2-x-lamb-ametek-66-vacuum-motors-p-1670.html
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Not saying the Enforcer or storm are bad machines, but they are just all plastic boxes with vac motors and pumps in. Not sure if I would swap one for the other.
I think the next true innovation should be a UK designed and built ETM for uk electrics and the uk market. As most jobs are within 50 - 150 ft of hose from a van the technology is out there to make this happen quite easily... ..... basicly just need some bigger tanks and propane heat. Maybe I should do it then.......... that if you don't get there first John ;D
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Robin. Etm with propane heater would be too expensive. Would prefer to buy proper tm then for a few thousands more.
Do you remember the price of mytee escape? Put the heater there and how much it would be? For 2-3k more you would have a TM.
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I can see lots of storms coming up for sale :D
I don't see why, you don't need an immersion heater if you've got a magma, the Storms about 15kg lighter than an Enforcer and Cleansmart aren't a rip off on servicing? Putting a booster through one of the exhausts on the Enforcer wouldn't do a great deal for you either - you'd just be adding lift that would instantly be lost through the other vac that's in parallel? The Storm has a built-in booster port that would give you all 3 vacs in parallel, has anyone tried a Storm with a booster yet?
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I can see lots of storms coming up for sale :D
I don't see why, you don't need an immersion heater if you've got a magma, the Storms about 15kg lighter than an Enforcer and Cleansmart aren't a rip off on servicing? Putting a booster through one of the exhausts on the Enforcer wouldn't do a great deal for you either - you'd just be adding lift that would instantly be lost through the other vac that's in parallel? The Storm has a built-in booster port that would give you all 3 vacs in parallel, has anyone tried a Storm with a booster yet?
yes , nothing wrong with cleansmart , my comment was more about , you know when something new a cool comes out , those that are due a change of machine will be tempted .
But really , its a very well designed and built machine , and leaving it out in all weather is something i would not be without .
The parallel booster i referred to would loo more like this ... one vac attached to each exhaust .
http://s416.photobucket.com/user/NathanPepper/media/IMG_8240.jpg.html
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If there is no heat ie steam mate there would be no point me getting one, as the Storm ticks all the boxes for me but without the inbuilt heater, I carry my mytee turbo hot box and use it most days, but would prefer less hassle of the seperate unit
Stuart
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Thought heat didn't matter..or so they say on the other channel.. ;D ;D ;D
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Well as they dont have that option of heat, they would say that, everyone knows heat always makes the difference !
I used Scorpions for eight mainly without heat, although I did have a drop in heater for when hot tap water wasnt available
Stuart
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It does have heat, an intank immersion heater.
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Robin. Etm with propane heater would be too expensive. Would prefer to buy proper tm then for a few thousands more.
Do you remember the price of mytee escape? Put the heater there and how much it would be? For 2-3k more you would have a TM.
Anyone remember the price of escape incl vat? And how much is a propane heater and how much does it use per hour?
As actually no cost of servicing/labour cost as easy to service and should be cheaper to run.
How many ampers escape was using on both cables, 4 engines and pump?
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The Escape was designed for the US market, and used 4 x HD electros each 1650w so technically not legal in the uk. Propane heaters such as the little giant are used frequently in the US for not only portables but also for the Judson TMs.
Basically all is needed is similar specs to the top of the range portables here in the uk but with larger tanks and a little giant water heater this would give performance up to 200ft at a push and heat up to 110 degrees c. It would cost only a little more because of the cost of producing larger tanks and the extra for a propane heater around £1000. It could run from 2 cords easily.
The escape was around £5000+vat and the heater was just a lpg heater which heated the water in the tank and drew it through a pump the heater was over priced in my opinion.
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I nearly bought an Escape from woodbridge back in june, cost was £4000 plus vat, not bad for a truckmount, but then I started asking a few guys who had them and it turns out they were nothing but trouble, most had to totally re wire them as they constantly blew fuses
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I can see lots of storms coming up for sale
Both machines are capable... After sales service!!!! Try dealing with Martin Ashby >:( >:(
Storm all day long
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stuart can you give me your e mail address mate........
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we really do need a private message system on here dont we???? ???
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Will never happen as it was abused by a supplier. And private messages aren't private the forum runners can see them.
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if admin can see them that would prevent abuse wouldnt it?? not to worry, just a personal prefernce on my part to be able to message bods now and then!!!!
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Tim
clarkscarpetcleaners@yahoo.com
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Ptivate messages ! Who was the offending supplier ? Restormate ? Lol only kidding John