Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dd on November 28, 2015, 03:15:46 pm
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I have given the medium hybrid quite a few hours on the glass now and have found that it fails (for me anyway) to remove bird strikes (wing and body pattern).
I give strike a good scrub, leave to soak a minute or two, followed by second good scrub, then clean the whole window, but when I go back and check later residue is still there.
Last straw today a good pigeon strike on an upstairs window so I though I will really be extra thorough with scrubbing it, only to come back a bit later and it was still there. Ended up putting my xline brush on the pole to clean it again (single scrub and rinse), shortly after customer came out to tell me it was gone.
Real shame as I like using the supreme but it simply fails to deal with bird strikes.
My observations on the medium hybrid are:
1. The outer bristles need to hold their shape better instead of collapsing into the glass.
2. Alex needs to dispense with the spare jet holes and pack the brush with more and possibly denser inner bristles.
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Interesting observations, been using the mixed medium supreme since launch not had any feedback from any of the guys about it not removing bird strike.
I was part of the team doing a hospital clean last week with lots of seagul deposits, brush cut through them quickly and easily - as we also cleaned all the insides I can confirm they defo removed everything off the glass
Darran
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As far as I can tell it removes other marks/dirt and is a very nice brush to use.
3 times in the last few days I have had the experience of not removing a bird strike (that is every time I have gone back and checked after the glass dried off a bit).
I seem to be able to clean windows faster with this brush but do not feel I can trust it to use as my main brush. Currently going back to xline mono.
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Interesting observations, been using the mixed medium supreme since launch not had any feedback from any of the guys about it not removing bird strike.
I was part of the team doing a hospital clean last week with lots of seagul deposits, brush cut through them quickly and easily - as we also cleaned all the insides I can confirm they defo removed everything off the glass
Darran
Were you using cold water?
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Yes mate
Darran
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ive been using supremes since they came out and personally love the soft flocked and have the medium mixed too that ive been using on a bus shelter contract i had that havent been cleaned in a few years and didnt have any probs myself?
ive just ordered an xline to try due to all the good reviews but i cant fault the gardiner supremes myself as i think theyre a compromise between the heavy superlite and xtreme brushes!!
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Never had any issue some bird strikes can be a bit of pain i always give a quick dose of Virosol cuts through nicely same with entrance doors that are covered in greasy finger marks were people don't know what a handle is for .
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Never had any issue some bird strikes can be a bit of pain i always give a quick dose of Virosol cuts through nicely same with entrance doors that are covered in greasy finger marks were people don't know what a handle is for .
Pure water never deals well with finger marks
Darran
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WARNING: Supreme brush users
Why so dramatic? Is there a bomb threat, a flood alert warning or something else life threatening?
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I have given the medium hybrid quite a few hours on the glass now and have found that it fails (for me anyway) to remove bird strikes (wing and body pattern).
I give strike a good scrub, leave to soak a minute or two, followed by second good scrub, then clean the whole window, but when I go back and check later residue is still there.
Last straw today a good pigeon strike on an upstairs window so I though I will really be extra thorough with scrubbing it, only to come back a bit later and it was still there. Ended up putting my xline brush on the pole to clean it again (single scrub and rinse), shortly after customer came out to tell me it was gone.
Real shame as I like using the supreme but it simply fails to deal with bird strikes.
My observations on the medium hybrid are:
1. The outer bristles need to hold their shape better instead of collapsing into the glass.
2. Alex needs to dispense with the spare jet holes and pack the brush with more and possibly denser inner bristles.
All brushes are the same. You just need to scrub more,
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I have a house on my round that is notorious for bird strikes. Every visit there's usually two imprints on the rear windows of the house. The woman always mention them. Its no surprise they're there. as always, but she's never said they weren't cleaned off properly last time. So I'm guessing she's observant and also likes a good job done but is also satisfied with the clean the Supreme brushes we use do the job adequately.
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I only use Xtreme brushes and never get any problems so cant see a Supreme being any different, carry a small spray
bottle with a chemical degreaser of your choice and spay it on the brush to remove any stubborn marks.
Virosol or similar.
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Never had any issue some bird strikes can be a bit of pain i always give a quick dose of Virosol cuts through nicely same with entrance doors that are covered in greasy finger marks were people don't know what a handle is for .
Pure water never deals well with finger marks
Darran
Depends on what's on the fingers.
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any grease and pure struggles which is why an additive might just help a bit.
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any grease and pure struggles which is why an additive might just help a bit.
Unfortunately diluted beyond any reasonable use, takes a good degreaser at the recommended concentrations to shift stubborn marks.
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What's reasonable? Do you know at what dilution rate a detergent/wetting agent/soap or whatever begins to break down grease? I don't.
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You can give a fool a tool, but at the end of the day you've only got a fool with atool. ;D
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NuClean based on metabolic chemistry which is non-aggressive on pvc or glass surfaces will easily cut through grease at a dilution of 30-1 and will not dry onto the glass either, 1 US gal diluted at 30-1 will produce 126 x 750ml ready to use spray bottles of degreaser, from experience i would say its probably the safest and most effective degreaser available on the market today. for anyone who would like further information under no obligation email info@jskcleaning.ie Tadgh
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+1
I add Nuclean to wfp water , magic stuff .
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At what dilution?
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2 ml per 100 litres wfp . 1.5 ml per gallon trad at 1.3p per ml cheap as chips and does lovely job on gutters etc mixed at 30 ml per litre . Can do whole house by hand for less than 50p
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Any reason why it's 2ml per litre? Does it foam at all?
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That's what I found works best for me Its so concentrated don't need any more may be able to use less no foaming at all . If using for trad will bubble up in water just like other detergents but soon disappears and no bubbles on glass when applied with applicator
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Not aggressive like some chemicals I have never used virosol but could you clean windows with it .
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What size containers and how much inc postage?
Do you get a free waffle cloth?
I hear it's a load of metabollics - what is that exactly?
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Yes full of metabolics but don't ask me to explain it only know it works .
Cost inc delivery I think is £49 for 1 US gallon but check that with Tadgh. No free waffle cloth included
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:o :o :o fifty quid!
I think I'll risk napalming myself with Virosol for nine quid a can thanks.
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If I thought it was rubbish or Tadgh was dodgey I would be first to say so .
I just wanted something to clean gutters without causing damage elsewhere so got some nuclean then thought whats it like as an additive to wfp and in bucket for trad not stopped using it since . If there is something that does all round cleaning as good as this that's cheaper ml for ml I would happily swap .
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how many 3 bed houses can you get out of a £9 can and then you have to buy something else for cleaning windows
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As an additive at 2ml per 100l then it's ok I suppose. Provided it does the job then it would last me years. However, for removing algae I think it's too expensive for 3.7L
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You can give a fool a tool, but at the end of the day you've only got a fool with atool. ;D
I do not normally have a problem with removing bird strikes as long as I make sure I give them an extra scrub. Only problem normally is if I fail to see one so it does not get the extra scrub.
I have been wfp for nearly 10 years and have enough customers who would tell me if i missed a bird strike.
I do like to be thorough which is why I check over some of my work when using a new brush.
The fact you choose to be insulting tells me all I need to know about you 8 weekly.
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Haven't read the thread, just ran to the van and chucked them grenade style over the fence and waited for a bang ??? ???
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If I thought it was rubbish or Tadgh was dodgey I would be first to say so .
I just wanted something to clean gutters without causing damage elsewhere so got some nuclean then thought whats it like as an additive to wfp and in bucket for trad not stopped using it since . If there is something that does all round cleaning as good as this that's cheaper ml for ml I would happily swap .
I agree. Its not as slippy as soap in the water if using a squeegee (at height in our case) but it it leaves very little residual on the glass that a microfiber cloth/towel easily addresses. (We use 3 poles; 1 with applicator, 1 with squeegee and 3rd with Unger Fixi clamp and cloth.)
Did the inside of a pub yesterday and it did a good job as usual using microfiber clothes.
At height we still use a squeegee due to the size of each glass panel in a contract we do every 3 months. We do the internal glass in the building and another company does the external and internal of the external glass. Ours is streak free and theirs inside is a mess due to the soap they use.
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I didn't know you were using it? Obviously you are impressed?
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algae is no problem will even remove litchen from conny roofs with a stiff brush knocked some undiluted accidently into my fish pond fish still ok
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Too expensive how many average houses do you get out of a £9 can of virosol by hand by my calculations reckon I prob will get about 100
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I have been wfp for nearly 10 years and have enough customers who would tell me if i missed a bird strike.
My customers usually use the three strike rule: miss three bird strikes and you're gone.
Spruce (or Tadgh), is there sufficient glide when tradding by hand rather than pole work?
Cheers.
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I have been wfp for nearly 10 years and have enough customers who would tell me if i missed a bird strike.
My customers usually use the three strike rule: miss three bird strikes and you're gone.
Spruce (or Tadgh), is there sufficient glide when tradding by hand rather than pole work?
Cheers.
Yes nice glide for tradding by hand about 2 to 4ml of concentrate into 5000ml of water in your bucket, the difference when using metabolic chemistry is that it wont dry out leaving any residues behind on what ever type of surface you are cleaning with it. even though this technology was developed for the food service industry, we are getting great feedback from clients who work in all different sectors of the cleaning industry, for anyone who would like more info its worth checking out www.intinsiti.com
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Have a pic of Nuclean on window frame but how do I reduce picture quality so I can post it on here
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Haven't read the thread, just ran to the van and chucked them grenade style over the fence and waited for a bang ??? ???
Sorry. I forgot to add they only explode with prolonged exposure to direct sunlight.
Maybe I take work too seriously and get overly disappointed if I have not done a good job. Rather veer to that extreme than the other though.
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I had watched the only fools and horses episode with exploding dolls. So my imagination ran away with me.
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What size containers and how much inc postage?
Do you get a free waffle cloth?
I hear it's a load of metabollics - what is that exactly?
especially for you Dave as we are such nice people to do business with i will be happy to add a set of little waffle weave glass cloths as i would be interested in your feedback, of course thats not trying to push you into ordering some NuClean but the offer is there if you would like to take it up anytime. Tadgh
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I have been wfp for nearly 10 years and have enough customers who would tell me if i missed a bird strike.
My customers usually use the three strike rule: miss three bird strikes and you're gone.
Spruce (or Tadgh), is there sufficient glide when tradding by hand rather than pole work?
Cheers.
Yes nice glide for tradding by hand about 2 to 4ml of concentrate into 5000ml of water in your bucket, the difference when using metabolic chemistry is that it wont dry out leaving any residues behind on what ever type of surface you are cleaning with it. even though this technology was developed for the food service industry, we are getting great feedback from clients who work in all different sectors of the cleaning industry, for anyone who would like more info its worth checking out www.intinsiti.com
Thanks, Tadgh.
Interesting stuff.
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ive has this too.a couple of times over the last few months ive had customers saying there is a bit of dirt still on the glass after a bird strike and clean when ive gone back collecting.both times it was upper windows,one of them a very awkward angle window.
nobodys perfect.both customers paid up and said dont worry about it. :)
i use extreme,sl and supreme brushes.
i always give them an extra scrub and rinse but i think sometimes the marks are greasy and the brush and water dont quite cut it.
its very rare i dont get all the dirt off so i dont worry about it. ;)
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ive has this too.a couple of times over the last few months ive had customers saying there is a bit of dirt still on the glass after a bird strike and clean when ive gone back collecting.both times it was upper windows,one of them a very awkward angle window.
nobodys perfect.both customers paid up and said dont worry about it. :)
i use extreme,sl and supreme brushes.
i always give them an extra scrub and rinse but i think sometimes the marks are greasy and the brush and water dont quite cut it.
its very rare i dont get all the dirt off so i dont worry about it. ;)
I have mainly used a flocked brush before which deals effectively deals with them, though they still need an extra scrub.
The best flocked I have used so far was the old 15 degree sl gardiners used to sell. I have an xline flocked on order so will give that a try.
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me too!an xline flocked and mono.i should get them tomorrow. :)
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I don't like those brushes it's like cleaning with with a wet mop
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Been using the xline mono and found no fault with it. Bought it partly on your recommendation NWH.
I have always tended to favour flocked brushes as I think they clean a bit better.
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I find the Xline the best all round brush out there at the moment for all types of Windows,I only take it off the pole for stuff above a few floors high also it holds next to no bits-dirt in it at all.
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Used all day again today and I think you are right, the xline mono is the best all round brush.
Will try the flocked version soon, but the mono is good.
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ive been using the xline flocked a few days now and coming from an supreme soft flocked that was fine i cant fault this brush either, both decent brushes.
only downside to the xline is the fan jets up to now, theyre more just like fuzzy pencil jets rather than a nice evened out spray like the gardiners!
i think in future though if i had to pick one out of the two i'd stick with the supreme as its cheaper than the xline but thats about it for me!