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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Plankton on November 13, 2015, 09:22:46 pm
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Been using alloy gutter vac nozzles which came with alloy poles. I then bought a couple of carbon poles with the rubber necks and looking for better end tools for tight gutters and not far off tight gutters!
I was looking at the long crevice tool from polarbrite.
Any pointers?
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Hi. Alan.
Not got around to getting a gutter vac.
But I think these people make the best tools that fit onto tubes.
They actually are a gutter clearing company that makes gutter clearing equipment so should know what works best.
They also advocate that it's not all down to the vac suction.
http://www.guttercleaningsystems.co.uk/home.html
Good luck.
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Hi. Alan.
They actually are a gutter clearing company that makes gutter clearing equipment so should know what works best.
really 🤔
They also advocate that it's not all down to the vac suction.
is that because they sell low end, low power vac's?
Good luck.
Darran
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What would you recommend then Darran?
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Post is for tools I thought they look pretty good.
Especially adjustable angle on neck, good for over conservatories.
Very confusing issue on here gutter vacs, many say that you will still need to go up ladders to unblock downpipes.
That to me defeats the object of spending money on a gutter vac.
Your remark Darran about low spec equipment maybe correct.
Realise you have experience in other avenues power washing and gutter vacs.
Just thinking that could be said of my wfp equipment compared to say an ionics setup.
Read many posts on here and I think that 1800watt wet and dry vac would be good enough for most domestics.
Just my opinion.
Lee.
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I'm a little out of date on the latest generation of vac's, so can give a definitive answer but the sky vac's are extremely well built, have power and quality/ equipment accessories - then the omnivac vac 4200 watt will clear just about everything no faffing with weed hooks etc...
Yes they are cheap, and look good value, but they are cheap for a very good reason...
The tools are ok, but the crevis tool is plastic, if the bend was solid you wouldn't need the weed hook as you'd have the strength to dig into the moss and grass.
Darran
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Why do think some still have to go up ladders ?
Way back, there were several heated debates on this, loads still had to go up and clear downpipes - I never did and as far as I know the othe omnivac users didn't either - but as the want of this forum, you are disbelieved or shouted down because the only experience they had was using some Chinese copy vac or underpowered 1800 watt machine.
I don't think the correlation between ionics system and your system is valid, the key working parts to your system is the pole, gardiners produce quality wfp poles equal to ionics - compare your carbon gardiners pole to a Brodex Ali pole with vikan brush...
They both do a job, one far better than the other.
Darran
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As I'm reading the above some hard faced guy is walking past having a right good look at my carbon vac poles which are on top of my ladders.
Why have I got ladders and vac poles? 1- I have a low powered vac (Karcher 48/1) 2- I tend to come across blocked down pipe elbows which normally need taken apart.
I'm not for jumping into buying expensive things and will p around with crap and learn the hard way! Crap gennys crap vac's crap poles. My alloy poles were from GCS and the fittings are crap the neck is terrible and clogs up as the diameter is reduced.
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There are still times a guttervac would useless all the same regardless of the power of the vac.
For instance I've seen and removed by hand established large trees and shrubs growing out of some guttering and downspouts with root balls the lenth of the guttering too ;D
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Darran I see your point there.
I suppose I was blinded by price of the gutter cleaning systems and after Alan's post saying he has gcs equipment and is unimpressed I'll put that idea to bed.
I've looked on sky vac and no prices but I'm guessing £1500-£2000 (hate their not being a price list)
come across this on window cleaning warehouse which is interesting.
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/SVAT7.html
Saw the atom on sky vac video thought it looked good.
As a small van user and a small wallet holder 😃
Thought this might be an option for me and surely a better option than what I was considering.
Darren as for camera inspection kit would you agree that this can be done on a budget as I think it can, copy cat go pro camera, which some on here use connected to slx pole.
Smurf I'm sure there would be some jobs I couldn't do with the setup I'm looking at but if I can do most I'd settle for that.
Can't think of any of my customers with trees growing out of their gutters. 😃
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Best carry a good set of ladder then as sure as eggs is eggs you will need them too as even a skyvac industral has limitations on what it can do..
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http://www.candorservices.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=2_189_21_97&product_id=993
This is the cheapest 51mm crevice tool I've came across.
Not sure how narrow it is though.
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For the gutter cam I'm using a Sony action cam that connects to my phone for the live stream. The WiFi connection can be temperamental though and the picture can freeze as a result.
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http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/SJ4000-Video-Action-WI-FI-Camera-similer-Go-Pro-SJ-Cam-1080P-Full-HD-Waterproof-/undefined
These are the cameras I was looking at.
They have a review on youtube looked good.
As for crevice tool wouldn't know myself where to look ebay or see if skyvac grippatank. Polabrite, purefreedom, omnipole.
Or see if attachment on family hoover fits 😊
Thanks for heads up on guttercleaningsystems.
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http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/SJ4000-Video-Action-WI-FI-Camera-similer-Go-Pro-SJ-Cam-1080P-Full-HD-Waterproof-/undefined
These are the cameras I was looking at.
They have a review on youtube looked good.
As for crevice tool wouldn't know myself where to look ebay or see if skyvac grippatank. Polabrite, purefreedom, omnipole.
Or see if attachment on family hoover fits 😊
Thanks for heads up on guttercleaningsystems.
I've got one of those cams..They do the job well :)
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Lee - that's what I'd go for - they are supposed to be as good as GoPro, but let's face it as long as you get a clear picture of a gutter small amount of quality loss in the pixels is hardly a Ridley Scott issue.
Smurf - yes mate, there will always be a exceptional job where you can get it done - that's life, but when your having to use ladders as a regular option then you've got the wrong equipment of technique.
Crevis tool - get a standard round end two pieces of wood and place it in a vice and close it - I crevis tool as thin as you require ( I have about 3 - slightly flat, thin, and Kate moss thin )
Darran
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I've got a few alloy poles there and never even thought about making the crevice tools my self!
What are you using for the solid elbow.
I had intended selling the alloy poles on gumtree along with the Kirchner at some point.
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Thanks SB, Darran.
Re: Camera.😊
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Hello,
I think that there needs to be a bit of clarification on this issue because there's been some interesting comments. Just to be clear Darran (Smudger) has never owned any kits manufactured by Gutter Cleaning Systems, we've never seen him, spoke to him or had any dealings whatsoever with him. For some reason from the very outset when we were first on this forum he has had some kind of issue with us, what that is I have no idea.
Our systems have been constructed from cleaning thousands of metres of gutters trialling many different machines from different manufacturers over a period ranging in power from 1400 watts up to 4200 watts. We have put together kits which offer the best performance and value. The reason we settled on the Viper is because they are excellent machines with excellent suction and also the fact they are a wholly owned division of Nilfisk. Our kits are in daily use throughout the UK, Ireland, USA, Belgium, Canada and Australia to name a few.
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Nick I'm a small van user, ford escort.
I was looking at your kits.
I do worry 1400watt would not be enough power.
I admit I know nothing about gutter vacs.
Alan has your equipment and get the impression he is not entirely happy.
Just saying what I have read.
Out of interest what are the measurements of your 3000 watt vac the one with the 3 independent motors?
As stated by another window on here it can look like over kill clearing gutters on a modest house using something the size of R2D2.
On top of that asking to plug into customers electric might raise a few eyebrows.
I do not want to be buying a generator also.
I realise you have alot of experience clearing gutters.
I have no interest in going up a ladder to clear what a gutter vac can't cope with, so maybe a guttervac is not for me.
Maybe you could tell us your experience as many on here argue that gutter vacs are a waste of money.
Thanks Nick.
Lee.
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May I also add Darran (smudger)
Lives in Norfolk and Nick I believe this is where you are situated.
Maybe Nick you could give Darran a demonstration ;)
He is regarded as one of the more experienced guys on here.
Thanks
Lee.
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Hello,
I think that there needs to be a bit of clarification on this issue because there's been some interesting comments. Just to be clear Darran (Smudger) has never owned any kits manufactured by Gutter Cleaning Systems, we've never seen him, spoke to him or had any dealings whatsoever with him. For some reason from the very outset when we were first on this forum he has had some kind of issue with us, what that is I have no idea.
Our systems have been constructed from cleaning thousands of metres of gutters trialling many different machines from different manufacturers over a period ranging in power from 1400 watts up to 4200 watts. We have put together kits which offer the best performance and value. The reason we settled on the Viper is because they are excellent machines with excellent suction and also the fact they are a wholly owned division of Nilfisk. Our kits are in daily use throughout the UK, Ireland, USA, Belgium, Canada and Australia to name a few.
So that told you smudger ;D
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The kit I bought is in the garage daily as I was fed up with the poles spinning and the elbow blocking as it folds on itself.
I wonder how many other kits have been shelved on a daily basis. :D
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Before I reply to Alan Ritchies accusations I should say that if you decide to buy a pole set and put it with a vacuum of your choice then it is important that you ensure that your vacuum is configured for gutter cleaning, if you don't you may well be plagued with loss of vacuum and subsequently with blockages throughout the system and vacuum problems.
Alan,
You purchased a pole set (no vacuum, no hose) January 2015. We heard nothing from you for seven months when you enquired about purchasing two extra poles. We heard no more from you until this posting.
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You need to check your paper work properly ;)
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You need to check your paper work properly ;)
So did you buy carbon or ali pole package from nick and what’s up exactly with the poles and heads that come with it?
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Could someone please tell me what accusations I've made ???
I have stated that the alloy poles spin, I have also more or less said that the neck is rubbish. No accusations just my opinion of a product that I bought.
I have emails to gcs which were never replied to!
I have found far better replacements for the items I bought which I have had no trouble with. The suppliers also took the time to respond to my all emails.
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Could someone please tell me what accusations I've made ???
I have stated that the alloy poles spin, I have also more or less said that the neck is rubbish. No accusations just my opinion of a product that I bought.
I have emails to gcs which were never replied to!
I have found far better replacements for the items I bought which I have had no trouble with. The suppliers also took the time to respond to my all emails.
I did not get what nick was on about either.
Regards to you trying to contact him well he might have been too busy flogging stuff or clearing gutters etc to worry about the little things like offering a good customers after sales service ::)roll
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I have one of these kits
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30-gutter-cleaner-gutter-cleaning-gutter-vacuum-kit-/121800929796?hash=item1c5be6b204:g:lusAAOSwIwhWRgPO
i like the adjustable neck and its handy having the different attachments but tend to mainly use the thin and and very thin ones but its the spinning of the poles that really annoys me, have tried putting tape round the joints and over lapping the clamps but still not great.
I have upgraded the vac as the little one soon lost its suction.
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Hi rob that is gutter clearing systems they also sell on ebay to.
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The emails that were not answered were regarding other equipment not complaints about the spinning poles and rubbish design of the elbow. I had accepted the fact that alloy poles spin although I'm not sure if the quick release bolts on others make a difference. The vac hose which the elbow was constructed from couldn't hold the same diameter through the bend and completely kinked when you increased the angle, indecently it was the same vac hose that came with the order.
I have checked the invoice from January and it doesn't have a break down of items ordered or specify a delivery amount. For some reason suppliers choose not to detail individual items with their cost. This only results in discrepancies further down the line.
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Hi rob that is gutter clearing systems they also sell on ebay to.
Do you mean gutter vac systems, similar names but they have the rubber elbow and quick realise clamps.
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I have one of these kits
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30-gutter-cleaner-gutter-cleaning-gutter-vacuum-kit-/121800929796?hash=item1c5be6b204:g:lusAAOSwIwhWRgPO
i like the adjustable neck and its handy having the different attachments but tend to mainly use the thin and and very thin ones but its the spinning of the poles that really annoys me, have tried putting tape round the joints and over lapping the clamps but still not great.
I have upgraded the vac as the little one soon lost its suction.
Over lapping the clamp dose make a difference but not enough to stop driving you 😠 Smudger has said many times you need a solid neck but I'm not prepared to spend around £50 for grippas. I must say I haven't had the spinning problem with the carbon poles.
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I've found pole that swivel - not good, solid heads that swivel – very handy.
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Before I reply to Alan Ritchies accusations I should say that if you decide to buy a pole set and put it with a vacuum of your choice then it is important that you ensure that your vacuum is configured for gutter cleaning, if you don't you may well be plagued with loss of vacuum and subsequently with blockages throughout the system and vacuum problems.
Alan,
You purchased a pole set (no vacuum, no hose) January 2015. We heard nothing from you for seven months when you enquired about purchasing two extra poles. We heard no more from you until this posting.
I too bought some of your alloy poles few years ago they should be illegal there so heavy.. sent emails about the carbon poles without any response been made by you..
Why do u not reply to people's emails?
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I've not been on here for a few weeks since making enquiries about what direction to go with a vac!.....
Well, all I can say is ive been too busy earning with my recently bought industrial sky vac and carbon poles. So far no probs with it, it's really a good investment for gutters above conservatories and all those horrible stinky gutters. No more getting covered in crap or taking risks! I may need to get the ladder off occasionally but I'm limiting my chances of an accident!
It came at a hefty price but worth it just to be safe and keep working. Similar reason as to why somebody would change from ladders to wfp!
Oh, I bought the camera etc too! Really glad I did! Attachments could poss have room for improvement together with the angled neck.
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I've not been on here for a few weeks since making enquiries about what direction to go with a vac!.....
Well, all I can say is ive been too busy earning with my recently bought industrial sky vac and carbon poles. So far no probs with it, it's really a good investment for gutters above conservatories and all those horrible stinky gutters. No more getting covered in crap or taking risks! I may need to get the ladder off occasionally but I'm limiting my chances of an accident!
It came at a hefty price but worth it just to be safe and keep working. Similar reason as to why somebody would change from ladders to wfp!
Oh, I bought the camera etc too! Really glad I did! Attachments could poss have room for improvement together with the angled neck.
Well done Mr S. Hopefully by the end of next week I'll be making some return too.
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Been using alloy gutter vac nozzles which came with alloy poles. I then bought a couple of carbon poles with the rubber necks and looking for better end tools for tight gutters and not far off tight gutters!
I was looking at the long crevice tool from polarbrite.
Any pointers?
Gutter Cleaning Systems do the best attachments and their carbon poles are great.
I've done a lot of gutter cleaning and find it doesn't matter how good your tools,or suction, you will always need to use ladders on some of them.
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Been using alloy gutter vac nozzles which came with alloy poles. I then bought a couple of carbon poles with the rubber necks and looking for better end tools for tight gutters and not far off tight gutters!
I was looking at the long crevice tool from polarbrite.
Any pointers?
Gutter Cleaning Systems do the best attachments and their carbon poles are great.
I've done a lot of gutter cleaning and find it doesn't matter how good your tools,or suction, you will always need to use ladders on some of them.
Out of interest what other suppliers vac's and attachments have you used.
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Alan - your not allowed to ask such questions - Nick won't like it you know.
Darran
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Alan - your not allowed to ask such questions - Nick won't like it you know.
Darran
;D
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Is there an attachment to clear downspouts if they'r blocked? something long and thin to break up the blockage instead of climbing up ladders?
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http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/SJ4000-Video-Action-WI-FI-Camera-similer-Go-Pro-SJ-Cam-1080P-Full-HD-Waterproof-/undefined
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These are the cameras I was looking at.
They have a review on youtube looked good.
As for crevice tool wouldn't know myself where to look ebay or see if skyvac grippatank. Polabrite, purefreedom, omnipole.
Or see if attachment on family hoover fits 😊
Thanks for heads up on guttercleaningsystems.
Hi lee the sj4000 is an excellent camera, i use one when I'm kayaking. If you did get one make sure it has the sjcam logo on the front overwise it may be a copy and you'll have issues when you try to update the recent software. Great to use as dashcam aswell ;)
Tony
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http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/SJ4000-Video-Action-WI-FI-Camera-similer-Go-Pro-SJ-Cam-1080P-Full-HD-Waterproof-/undefined
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These are the cameras I was looking at.
They have a review on youtube looked good.
As for crevice tool wouldn't know myself where to look ebay or see if skyvac grippatank. Polabrite, purefreedom, omnipole.
Or see if attachment on family hoover fits 😊
Thanks for heads up on guttercleaningsystems.
Hi lee the sj4000 is an excellent camera, i use one when I'm kayaking. If you did get one make sure it has the sjcam logo on the front overwise it may be a copy and you'll have issues when you try to update the recent software. Great to use as dashcam aswell ;)
Tony
I bought a original sj400 and the wifi button broke after a month...I then bought a copy at half the price and it's been brilliant.
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Is there an attachment to clear downspouts if they'r blocked? something long and thin to break up the blockage instead of climbing up ladders?
Probably a 38mm section with a 50-38mm connection.
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Is there an attachment to clear downspouts if they'r blocked? something long and thin to break up the blockage instead of climbing up ladders?
Probably a 38mm section with a 50-38mm connection.
That's what a use ;D
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50 mm od long guttervac nozzle fits down most downspouts to the first bend too... Well it does for me anyway.
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I double checked a down pipe at the start of the week and found 50mm was too tight for the square down joint, well with forcing it in from the ladder it did fit!
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I've found many downpipes have a restriction in them, from badly fitted parts to a more regular and annoying habit of holding it together with a screw ::)roll
38 mm gets past these and has enough suck to pull anything stuck in the bend
Darran
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Cheers guys, appreciate the advice as always 👍
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Hello,
I think that there needs to be a bit of clarification on this issue because there's been some interesting comments. Just to be clear Darran (Smudger) has never owned any kits manufactured by Gutter Cleaning Systems, we've never seen him, spoke to him or had any dealings whatsoever with him. For some reason from the very outset when we were first on this forum he has had some kind of issue with us, what that is I have no idea.
Our systems have been constructed from cleaning thousands of metres of gutters trialling many different machines from different manufacturers over a period ranging in power from 1400 watts up to 4200 watts. We have put together kits which offer the best performance and value. The reason we settled on the Viper is because they are excellent machines with excellent suction and also the fact they are a wholly owned division of Nilfisk. Our kits are in daily use throughout the UK, Ireland, USA, Belgium, Canada and Australia to name a few.
I have bought 2 kits from gutter cleaning systems and have been very pleased with them and and their after sales service. The original vac I bought is still working perfectly although I have abandoned the old alloy poles in favour of carbon. We always go up the ladder in conjunction with the vac. There's usually adjustments, broken clips, new seals to fit etc that a vac won't do.
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I've found many downpipes have a restriction in them, from badly fitted parts to a more regular and annoying habit of holding it together with a screw ::)roll
38 mm gets past these and has enough suck to pull anything stuck in the bend
Darran
example of 50mm nozzle removing small blockage from a downspout and yes it did fit in it too ;D
I do carry an array of different type nozzles too smudger just in case but I'm too lazy to change them so first try the 50mm as is already on whilst I'm clearing the gutters. Only if I have too I will and likewise will change to a solid bend type head to break up really tough sods etc if need be.
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Smurf - likewise ( except I use the solid bend for all jobs )
JD - I'm sure gutter clearing systems work perfectly fine upto a point
I see no point in going back over who said what to who or the wonderful and wild claims made by sellers four years ago
Darran
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To clear out the glass roof gully I just used the silicon bend on the end of carbon pole or two which lucky enough fitted down the gap so was easy enough to do. Much softer than accidently smacking the glass with an ail head methinks
I also find the bigger the opening the better as don't get blocked so much.
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Smurf - likewise ( except I use the solid bend for all jobs )
JD - I'm sure gutter clearing systems work perfectly fine upto a point
I see no point in going back over who said what to who or the wonderful and wild claims made by sellers four years ago
Darran
I think that in most trad windys eyes gutter vacs are a touchy subject. For those who want to try it for themselves like me will tread carefully and buy low end equipment.
I can now say based upon my experience this year that low end equipment comes with lower customer service levels. Even to the point that the supplier accuses you of making accusations with out getting the foundations of their argument right.
Folks can make there own opinions but I've made mine. :)
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I have an eastern trading vac 3000w n ali poles. Bought ages ago but hardly used it. Also the genny to power a 3000w is a big bit of kit.
vac is like r2d2
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I have an eastern trading vac 3000w n ali poles. Bought ages ago but hardly used it. Also the genny to power a 3000w is a big bit of kit.
vac is like r2d2
I had the same make vac that eastern trading sold (no longer trading) and the motors failed within 6 months being busy and all. Mind most wet vacs used for gutter clearing I've found don't last much more than a year anyhow. I think it's also debateable if a more expensive wet vac like a so say skyvac industrial would last any longer than a chepo one under heavy usage.
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In winter months then maybe you also need an ice pick attachment too or use hot water to thaw the gutters out if/when you turn up at a job and the crud in the gutters is still frozen solid.... Oops! That's another reason why I use an lpg hot water heater as comes in very hand at thawing out gutters too if need be ;D
On some jobs to save time rather than trying to thaw out all the crud out with hot water and try try sucking it up using a guttervac I can run the hot water over it just enough to break the bond between the ice an plastic gutters. In the example pic I did not try sucking those ice blocks out of the guttering either as was quicker on that job to use the old fashioned method by hand and take it out in big chunks.
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Got another couple of poles from Polarbrite today. After seeing the pictures of the carbonfibretubes poles they must be supplying Polar. Just cost 20% more but they don't have the minimum order of 6 poles.
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Got another couple of poles from Polarbrite today. After seeing the pictures of the carbonfibretubes poles they must be supplying Polar. Just cost 20% more but they don't have the minimum order of 6 poles.
Nice one...are they 2m pole sections too?
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I have an eastern trading vac 3000w n ali poles. Bought ages ago but hardly used it. Also the genny to power a 3000w is a big bit of kit.
vac is like r2d2
I had the same make vac that eastern trading sold (no longer trading) and the motors failed within 6 months being busy and all. Mind most wet vacs used for gutter clearing I've found don't last much more than a year anyhow. I think it's also debateable if a more expensive wet vac like a so say skyvac industrial would last any longer than a chepo one under heavy usage.
Omnivac now on year six, still has 2 of the original motors
Darran
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I have an eastern trading vac 3000w n ali poles. Bought ages ago but hardly used it. Also the genny to power a 3000w is a big bit of kit.
vac is like r2d2
I had the same make vac that eastern trading sold (no longer trading) and the motors failed within 6 months being busy and all. Mind most wet vacs used for gutter clearing I've found don't last much more than a year anyhow. I think it's also debateable if a more expensive wet vac like a so say skyvac industrial would last any longer than a chepo one under heavy usage.
Omnivac now on year six, still has 2 of the original motors
Darran
My omni 4200 vacs lasted on average a year smudger so I'm guessing you don't do much
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Got another couple of poles from Polarbrite today. After seeing the pictures of the carbonfibretubes poles they must be supplying Polar. Just cost 20% more but they don't have the minimum order of 6 poles.
Nice one...are they 2m pole sections too?
Yes 2m that's one of the reasons I got them before, thought it was more for your money.
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That's right hardly anything at all.....
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Smudger I was determined not to use ladders on this one today as could not be arsed to get them off the van ....
I did say 50mm nozzle works well for me ;D
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during clearing pics
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Got a bag please mr so you can put it in yer bin ;D
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The next one Smudger was a bit easier apart from having to take the guttervac kit through the blooming house to do the back. However I already primed the custy so the carpeted areas were covered before I arrived.
I seem to do loads of this type of property as the corners always get blocked and start overflowing. Ladders are not really an option either as my roofline ladders would not have gone through the house as they are so blooming long ;D
I try not to book in more than 3 gutter clearing jobs a day during winter months as is generally a late start due to overnight frost and I like an early finish.
Before pics
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Been using alloy gutter vac nozzles which came with alloy poles. I then bought a couple of carbon poles with the rubber necks and looking for better end tools for tight gutters and not far off tight gutters!
I was looking at the long crevice tool from polarbrite.
Any pointers?
Gutter Cleaning Systems do the best attachments and their carbon poles are great.
I've done a lot of gutter cleaning and find it doesn't matter how good your tools,or suction, you will always need to use ladders on some of them.
Out of interest what other suppliers vac's and attachments have you used.
I started with omnivac and all the attachments
The vacs still going great after 6 years and i bought it 2nd hand
I bought a rubber 51 mm bend off e bay which fits on the poles and attachments, that's good was about £10
Then I bought the bits of bent plastic attachments off Gardiners, about £70 if i remember,seriously over priced for what they are IMO
Then i bought the carbon poles and all the attachments from Gutter clearing services and have never looked back.My only disappointment was he wouldn't knock any money off,even though i didn't buy them through e bay .
Hope that helps,sorry for late reply,i don't come on here much.
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Smudger I must admit the last one a 4 bed detached with double garage was a bit off a PITA to do. Even though was not too bad one corner down the side had a blooming sat dish and tree branches in the way to get right in to clear the corner of sods. So out came my spike attachment which I was able to break the sods up and cleared the corner out then was able to vac it out ok.
I took onboard what you said about using a better technique to reduce ladder work. ;)
Still I came very close to using me telescopic branch loppers that I carry in the van I can tell you... not just on the branches either ;D