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Title: large residential round
Post by: Scrimble on November 13, 2015, 07:31:23 pm
spoke to another local windy whom I had never seen or heard of recently who went on to tell me he had a large round of 125 customers,  I thought he was joking, and another I know of who has been tradding for decades has a large round of 67 custys (so I was told)

what do you consider a large residential? a couple of hundred customers or thousands?
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: p1w1 on November 13, 2015, 07:40:46 pm
I personally think the number of customers is irrelevant who's to say the guy with 67 customer has houses twice the size of the guy with 125 it's the value of a round that's the important bit.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: sunshine windows on November 13, 2015, 07:43:56 pm
I would say 400+ for a one man band, monthly rota is large enough
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Scrimble on November 13, 2015, 08:19:06 pm
I personally think the number of customers is irrelevant who's to say the guy with 67 customer has houses twice the size of the guy with 125 it's the value of a round that's the important bit.

you have missed the point, I said what would you consider a large round, I would say at least 1500 customers, 67 or 125 is for part timers
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Plankton on November 13, 2015, 08:52:43 pm
I personally think the number of customers is irrelevant who's to say the guy with 67 customer has houses twice the size of the guy with 125 it's the value of a round that's the important bit.

you have missed the point, I said what would you consider a large round, I would say at least 1500 customers, 67 or 125 is for part timers
Definitely part time brackets. 900 could be large in one persons opinion for property sizes. I would say 3 or 4 men full time is large.
Window cleaners are a funny bunch when it comes to conversations with another windy!
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Roy Harding on November 13, 2015, 08:59:21 pm
5 of us do on average 171 jobs every 4 weeks, trading 30yrs.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Jonny 87 on November 13, 2015, 09:01:14 pm
I personally think the number of customers is irrelevant who's to say the guy with 67 customer has houses twice the size of the guy with 125 it's the value of a round that's the important bit.

you have missed the point, I said what would you consider a large round, I would say at least 1500 customers, 67 or 125 is for part timers

I do that in a few days. Lol. And I'm just a little one man band.

I agree that a one man band usually would have about 400 or so customers.

A Large round I would say 800 plus.

No doubt you do get some though who only have a few hundred customers, but because of size of properties they make a very good living.

It's all relative really. Average price, etc.

Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Jonny 87 on November 13, 2015, 09:04:44 pm
5 of us do on average 171 jobs every 4 weeks, trading 30yrs.

Must be big properties Roy!
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Shane sharples on November 13, 2015, 09:05:17 pm
I personally think the number of customers is irrelevant who's to say the guy with 67 customer has houses twice the size of the guy with 125 it's the value of a round that's the important bit.

you have missed the point, I said what would you consider a large round, I would say at least 1500 customers, 67 or 125 is for part timers

A large round to who? ask the question properly and you might get a proper answer.
Are you on about a large round for a 1 man band or a large round for a team of 4+ window cleaners ?
A large round for a 1 man band could be 20 houses a day , 5 days a week so 400 for 1 guy could be huge but would be tiny for a team of 4 people.....do you get me?  ;D
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Shane sharples on November 13, 2015, 09:08:14 pm
5 of us do on average 171 jobs every 4 weeks, trading 30yrs.

35 houses each a month ? Is it a weekend job?
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Plankton on November 13, 2015, 09:42:50 pm
I personally think the number of customers is irrelevant who's to say the guy with 67 customer has houses twice the size of the guy with 125 it's the value of a round that's the important bit.

you have missed the point, I said what would you consider a large round, I would say at least 1500 customers, 67 or 125 is for part timers

A large round to who? ask the question properly and you might get a proper answer.
Are you on about a large round for a 1 man band or a large round for a team of 4+ window cleaners ?
A large round for a 1 man band could be 20 houses a day , 5 days a week so 400 for 1 guy could be huge but would be tiny for a team of 4 people.....do you get me?  ;D
I don't think he's asked any question improperly. A DOMESTIC round of 125 doors would need to be large houses or cleaned weekly to give a fulltime windy a wage. I wouldn't consider either to be large.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Shane sharples on November 13, 2015, 09:52:43 pm
I think he has , needs to be more specific. ' what would you consider a large round?'
A large domestic or commercial?
A large round for 1 person or what?
1500 houses for 4 windys wouldn't be a large round but would be too much for 1 guy ....
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: windowswashed on November 13, 2015, 10:31:47 pm
500 houses would be a lot for one person
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: SeanK on November 13, 2015, 10:46:29 pm
Its the amount of work not numbers that decides the size of a round, 500 properties wouldn't be that large a round if they
where 8 weekly a round of 150 houses would be bigger if they where 2 weekly, then you have to take in the size of the
properties.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: windowswashed on November 13, 2015, 11:05:41 pm
Its the amount of work not numbers that decides the size of a round, 500 properties wouldn't be that large a round if they
where 8 weekly a round of 150 houses would be bigger if they where 2 weekly, then you have to take in the size of the
properties.

I agree, normal matchbox houses with tiny windows take 5-7 minutes whereas large country manors can take hours
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Walter Mitty on November 13, 2015, 11:07:09 pm
I don't know about "large" but a sole trader using WFP with a mix of all sorts of jobs would possibly start feeling pushed somewhere around 350 or even 400 customers if doing them mostly at 6 week intervals.  I settle for rather less than this but I have some commercial jobs too, and my body feels it in ways that it once didn't.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: NWH on November 13, 2015, 11:13:12 pm
I personally think the number of customers is irrelevant who's to say the guy with 67 customer has houses twice the size of the guy with 125 it's the value of a round that's the important bit.
67 houses between 50-100 a house id rather be a pert timer rather than run round like a maniac doing a 1000 houses for the sam money or less though eh
you have missed the point, I said what would you consider a large round, I would say at least 1500 customers, 67 or 125 is for part timers
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: NWH on November 13, 2015, 11:16:07 pm
It's not how many jobs a large round in my eyes it's what it's worth week in week out,some people clean 20-30 houses a day some clean 4-5 I know what I'd rather do
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Plankton on November 13, 2015, 11:25:47 pm
I would imagine he has bumped into said f***wit on the job and based on the area he was working (maybe 3 bed houses) he thought wtf is this guy kidding!
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: chris turner on November 14, 2015, 12:16:01 am
My round is 8 weekly, I have 260 residential customers and 13 commercial.
I do around 8-9 houses a day, 4 days a week, with a couple of commercial jobs each week.
And I thought I was overworking myself ;D
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: chris turner on November 14, 2015, 12:26:39 am
I'd say about 300 customers is the ideal amount for 1 man, 400+ would be considered large. But it really depends on the areas worked. 400 customers on a council estate, although a large round, would not generate as much income as 200 houses in an upmarket area.
Plus the wealthier customers always want all the 'add ons' each year and are happy to pay top dollar for it..
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: 8weekly on November 14, 2015, 08:18:43 am
I'd say about 300 customers is the ideal amount for 1 man, 400+ would be considered large. But it really depends on the areas worked. 400 customers on a council estate, although a large round, would not generate as much income as 200 houses in an upmarket area.
Plus the wealthier customers always want all the 'add ons' each year and are happy to pay top dollar for it..
I reckon 400 would be too much for one assuming a good mix of houses, well priced and a proper job done - 4 weekly that is.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Scrimble on November 14, 2015, 09:29:07 am
My round is 8 weekly, I have 260 residential customers and 13 commercial.
I do around 8-9 houses a day, 4 days a week, with a couple of commercial jobs each week.
And I thought I was overworking myself ;D

just over one house an hour average? yea really overworking yourself

I would say a large round cannot be cleaned by a sole trader employing is the only option,  a couple of hundred customers is still only small, where as thousands is large
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Mick Kent on November 14, 2015, 09:33:52 am
The amount of customers doesn't matter! Its all about what your round is worth a month.
In our game these days pulling a grand a week in is common practice!  its simply 100x£10 houses a week or 50x£20 houses a week or if lucky 20x£50 houses a week to clean. All add up to a grand but with totally different customer amounts.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Scrimble on November 14, 2015, 09:37:46 am
ok mick how much in turn over per week would you consider to be enough to say you have a large round?
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Mick Kent on November 14, 2015, 09:50:03 am
What i wrote above. A grand a week id class as a large enough round. A round never gets sold on the amount of customers, its always based on the total.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: p1w1 on November 14, 2015, 10:01:55 am
The amount of customers doesn't matter! Its all about what your round is worth a month.
In our game these days pulling a grand a week in is common practice!  its simply 100x£10 houses a week or 50x£20 houses a week or if lucky 20x£50 houses a week to clean. All add up to a grand but with totally different customer amounts.

totally agree, the whole x amount of customers really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: Smudger on November 14, 2015, 12:25:07 pm
As with Mick, numbers are not a measure of a round, property sizes, frequency, all vary, turnover p/w ( or total per cycle ) and large turnover may not mean large profits either.

Darran
Title: Re: large residential round
Post by: cgh window cleaning on November 14, 2015, 06:38:28 pm
I agree It is all down to individual price.
Spoke with a window cleaner last year who said he had over 600 houses a month but his prices on average where a 1/3 less than what I charge .

400+ customers a month for a sole trader is what I would consider large or any one running multiple vans full time on mainly residential.

There was a bloke that use to come on here pryors window cleaning who I think had a  large mainly residential round 4  or 5 vans with well priced work.