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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: steven jones on November 06, 2015, 11:37:24 pm
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Heres a brief video explaining how uni-valve works with tubeless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqOCR2uLEQA&feature=youtu.be
Steven,
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That's brilliant Steve...Many thanks :)
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Very good.
I'm trying to think of a reason why not to convert to this system.
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Looks good Steve.
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Good job Steve all looks really good .
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I like it Steve, but I have one concern.
When you pull the hose to release the ejector sleeve, do you risk momentarily switching the water on ?
Not a huge issue, would only be a second or so and could be overcome by switching pump off first.
But in a real world situation e.g. working on a busy street, if you were not paying attention could there be a risk of blasting some passer by with water ?
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I like it Steve, but I have one concern.
When you pull the hose to release the ejector sleeve, do you risk momentarily switching the water on ?
Not a huge issue, would only be a second or so and could be overcome by switching pump off first.
But in a real world situation e.g. working on a busy street, if you were not paying attention could there be a risk of blasting some passer by with water ?
True, just have to watch were your aiming, or switch it on just before you disconnect?
Steven.
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Great video, thanks!
If you're using this with, say a 50ft pole wouldn't the sleeve ejector be too far up the inside of the base of the pole to reach it to squeeze the sides to eject it (because the distance from the end of the top section would be further from the bottom of the pole due to the extra sections and clamp height)?
Also my Gardiner extreme poles don't have bungs at the bottom of the sections, would this matter or make a difference?
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Great video, thanks!
If you're using this with, say a 50ft pole wouldn't the sleeve ejector be too far up the inside of the base of the pole to reach it to squeeze the sides to eject it (because the distance from the end of the top section would be further from the bottom of the pole due to the extra sections and clamp height)?
Also my Gardiner extreme poles don't have bungs at the bottom of the sections, would this matter or make a difference?
only on xtreme poles but I am developing some end caps that allow you to use on xtreme.
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Can those uni valves be fitted to any pole and used as a tap replacement to the aqua dapper steve?
I'm well thick still can't understand how that tubeless pole works ;D ;D
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Can those uni valves be fitted to any pole and used as a tap replacement to the aqua dapper steve?
I'm well thick still can't understand how that tubeless pole works ;D ;D
yes avo,
Replacing Aqua-dapper.
Steven.
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Sorry meant dapter steve lol was sorting the kids breakfast out ;D
When will they be on sale I would like a few of those they look really good
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Avo,
I Know what you meant to type mate , and they will be around 3 weeks i believe.
Steven.
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Hi Steve.
Want to get tubeless setup.
Don't want to cut pole straight away.
Do you supply the collar/spacer?
No problem if not basically what size pipe is it?
Where from b&q Wickes?
When is omni-valve due early December?
Want to order tubeless and omnivalve together.
Thanks.
Lee.
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Hi Steve.
Want to get tubeless setup.
Don't want to cut pole straight away.
Do you supply the collar/spacer?
No problem if not basically what size pipe is it?
Where from b&q Wickes?
When is omni-valve due early December?
Want to order tubeless and omnivalve together.
Thanks.
Lee.
Yes, it comes with the spacer, all you need to get going.
hoping December, you can add the valve later easy enough if you like.
Steven.
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Hi Steve.
Thanks for your answers.
I'll probably wait just do altogether at once.
Definitely getting fed up with pole hose seems to get knotted quite easily ;D
Thanks lee
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Ok, when ready, i will post on this forum lee.
Steven.
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£45 for conversion seems a lot off money
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£45 for conversion seems a lot off money
You get 15m of quality hose and the fittings will last 5 x longer, and the convenience of working this way I guarantee will outweigh the cost.
Steven.
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£45 for conversion seems a lot off money
Compared to what?
I'm not sure you can buy this anywhere else atm
If you took the time to look at the cost of each item, you would see the kit represents good value.
The benefits of no pole hose, much less over spilt water from the pole hose, longer lasting fitting and the fact Stevon has to make a profit.
It's good value IMO but it's your £45
Tony
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But is it just £45 or is there vat and delivery to go on top because that's where they get you that would take it to over £55 pounds
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dose the pole hose still go up the middle of the sections carrying grit or is this eradicated? Trying to work out if it stays at the bottom or not ;D
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Yes, it still travels up the pole, but still another advantage is each time you reel the pole hose onto your hose reel with a piece of cloth is it keeps the hose clean.
Also mega easy to take the sections apart to wipe sections down to keep clean as the pole as no hose attached .
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The simplest of products end up complicated on this site :)
Hurry up and get it made Steve
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£45 for conversion seems a lot off money
Compared to what?
I'm not sure you can buy this anywhere else atm
If you took the time to look at the cost of each item, you would see the kit represents good value.
The benefits of no pole hose, much less over spilt water from the pole hose, longer lasting fitting and the fact Stevon has to make a profit.
It's good value IMO but it's your £45
Tony
I initially thought it expensive too and was going to buy just the ejector sleeve for a tenner ( I already have run my own tubeless diy version for a year ) but was needing new pole hose and probably new fittings, taking that in to consideration and that specifically made fittings/adapters would be easier and neater £45 sounds fair to me. ;)
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But is it just £45 or is there vat and delivery to go on top because that's where they get you that would take it to over £55 pounds
Having looked on the site it appears to include the vat plus £5.99 shipping, so £50.99.
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But is it just £45 or is there vat and delivery to go on top because that's where they get you that would take it to over £55 pounds
Having looked on the site it appears to include the vat plus £5.99 shipping, so £50.99.
Hi Barry,
Yes its £45 + 5.99 total cost £50.99
Steven.
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But is it just £45 or is there vat and delivery to go on top because that's where they get you that would take it to over £55 pounds
Having looked on the site it appears to include the vat plus £5.99 shipping, so £50.99.
Hi Barry,
Yes its £45 + 5.99 total cost £50.99
Steven.
Thanks Steven for confirming that
If I were to wait before ordering until the uni valve is stocked would the combined postage for both the tubeless kit and valve still be £5.99 ?
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Barry,
Of course!
Actually im going to drop the prices now in the next 10mins for and introductory offer £35.
Im doing introductory offer for 1 week, starting now.
Steven,
yeah but,
whens ya uni valve ready ? I want both ;D
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Barry,
Of course!
Actually im going to drop the prices now in the next 10mins for and introductory offer £35.
Im doing introductory offer for 1 week, starting now.
Steven,
yeah but,
whens ya uni valve ready ? I want both ;D
Hi barry,
3 weeks but postage on uni-valve £1.99
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Well now I could be tempted lol ;D
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Go for it Jk999 , danes getting all that hose tangled up in your van .
It's a great idea , but ive got loads of other expenses .
But I will be buying the uni-valve asap on launch
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Other expenses tell me about it been non stop for last few months :'(
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so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?
so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).
it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.
this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use. :)
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my experience with rectus 21 fittings is they pop off at times.if your tugging the hose a lot to turn your water on/off 100 times a day im not sure how long they will last plus you ll be constantly connecting and disconnecting it every time you put your pole in the van.if using hot water and the o ring fittings on the uni-valve, i can see them also popping off and leaking inside the pole as its being pulled 100s of times over the course of a week putting extra strain on them.
all these extra fittings on the pole hose inside the pole will cause problems and extra faffing around IMO in real day to day use.
i might be wrong though! :)
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so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?
so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).
it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.
this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use. :)
It seems like a good idea until you examine it closer, forgetting the fact that all these disconnected poles will now drip
water into the van what is the point of this gadget unless you can only afford one pole and want to add and remove sections a little quicker.
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my experience with rectus 21 fittings is they pop off at times.if your tugging the hose a lot to turn your water on/off 100 times a day im not sure how long they will last plus you ll be constantly connecting and disconnecting it every time you put your pole in the van.if using hot water and the o ring fittings on the uni-valve, i can see them also popping off and leaking inside the pole as its being pulled 100s of times over the course of a week putting extra strain on them.
all these extra fittings on the pole hose inside the pole will cause problems and extra faffing around IMO in real day to day use.
i might be wrong though! :)
Dazmond, you are right about changing goosenecks, but it is just the carbon goosenecks there will be problems with.
As regards fittings leaking/popping off, this is not a problem, as if you hear what others have said on this forum like Lee Gls, he has had the same rectus 21 for 12 months now since going tubeless.
Water dripping is now not an issue as soon as you disconnect the hose this little bit of water in the pole empties right away leaving it drip free.
Steven.
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so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?
so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).
it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.
this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use. :)
It seems like a good idea until you examine it closer, forgetting the fact that all these disconnected poles will now drip
water into the van what is the point of this gadget unless you can only afford one pole and want to add and remove sections a little quicker.
Sean, I can answer that for you from my experience having gone to a diy'd tubeless system nearly 18 months ago for that very reason .
The end of the pole has a male rectus fitting, when you remove the hose, hold the pole vertically and any water in it will come out. It isn't a problem.
There is a point to using this gadget if the way you work gives you problems, mine is tangled pole hose and limited space in my pickup , and the fact I only use one pole through choice with sections added or removed ( not through any financial hardship ) for me it is an advantage, for you maybe not, the more choice and options that are out there, the better.
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so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?
so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).
it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.
this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use. :)
It seems like a good idea until you examine it closer, forgetting the fact that all these disconnected poles will now drip
water into the van what is the point of this gadget unless you can only afford one pole and want to add and remove sections a little quicker.
Sean, I can answer that for you from my experience having gone to a diy'd tubeless system nearly 18 months ago for that very reason .
The end of the pole has a male rectus fitting, when you remove the hose, hold the pole vertically and any water in it will come out. It isn't a problem.
There is a point to using this gadget if the way you work gives you problems, mine is tangled pole hose and limited space in my pickup , and the fact I only use one pole through choice with sections added or removed ( not through any financial hardship ) for me it is an advantage, for you maybe not, the more choice and options that are out there, the better.
Your absolutely right I have room for more than one pole and I don't have a problem with hoses getting tangled while being
stored in the van/vehicle which I could say with confidence would be the same for the vast majority of wfp shiners.
But even if I did have a problem with tangles what's to stop me putting my pole up in the rack with the hose still connected
and just reeling in the lot in pole hose and all.
This is nothing more than an idea that somebody such as yourself might find helpful but to sell it as a product or use it as
a way to sell a pole I don't think so.
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I'd take a guess that every pole manufacturer will eventually have the 'tubeless' idea fitted as standard to their ranges.
Maybe even the inline, inpole valve as standard.
Or at the least offer it as an option, in which case people could then refuse it and carry on as before.
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I'd take a guess that every pole manufacturer will eventually have the 'tubeless' idea fitted as standard to their ranges.
Maybe even the inline, inpole valve as standard.
Or at the least offer it as an option, in which case people could then refuse it and carry on as before.
Why ? Gardiner poles sell well because they do what they need to do at a reasonable price from their budget range up,
they don't add silly gimmicks that one in a hundred/thousand might find useful but will up the price of the pole to everybody.
I will go a step further and predict that unless other pole manufacturers get their act together there will only be one
manufacturer in the UK so whatever they do will be standard.
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When I started wfp cleaning it was with a universal gf pole, vikan brush, 1/2" hose on a hoselock reel and leaky plastic hoselock fittings, most of this was bought from a well known supplier.
How times change !
microbore has become common place
rectus fittings
lateral clamps
carbon fiber
specific brushes
modular poles
triggers
taps on belts
flow controllers
to name a few, I could go on...........
Some of these have become the standard, some personal choices,
but the point is none of these would have been available to the mass market without the initial idea and somebody willing to innovate and take the chance on their ideas.
I really cannot understand the people who feel the need to run others ideas down.
Stevens concept of a tubeless kit for other manufacturers poles maybe genius or go the way of the dodo.
I think I'm with Jackie W on this one but only time will tell.
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And I am not one in a hundred/thousand who think this way.
the very fact that threads like this have been posted and talked and asked about would seem to prove otherwise.
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Barry the vast majority of innovation goes nowhere in all walks of life, don't confuse somebody that's says it how
it is about a product as somebody who's putting down an innovator/ inventor.
The reasons you have given for somebody to use a so called tubeless pole which isn't really tubeless are something I cant
see most needing or wanting so unfortunately that's why its a failure in my books, if that turns out to be wrong then fair play
but I would rather somebody was honest with me and be wrong than somebody not telling me how they see it because they are
afraid to hurt my feelings or feeling it was disloyal.
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so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?
so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).
it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.
this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use. :)
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my experience with rectus 21 fittings is they pop off at times.if your tugging the hose a lot to turn your water on/off 100 times a day im not sure how long they will last plus you ll be constantly connecting and disconnecting it every time you put your pole in the van.if using hot water and the o ring fittings on the uni-valve, i can see them also popping off and leaking inside the pole as its being pulled 100s of times over the course of a week putting extra strain on them.
all these extra fittings on the pole hose inside the pole will cause problems and extra faffing around IMO in real day to day use.
i might be wrong though! :)
Negative.
All within 45 mins lol
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Barry the vast majority of innovation goes nowhere in all walks of life, don't confuse somebody that's says it how
it is about a product as somebody who's putting down an innovator/ inventor.
The reasons you have given for somebody to use a so called tubeless pole which isn't really tubeless are something I cant
see most needing or wanting so unfortunately that's why its a failure in my books, if that turns out to be wrong then fair play
but I would rather somebody was honest with me and be wrong than somebody not telling me how they see it because they are
afraid to hurt my feelings or feeling it was disloyal.
Thanks for explaining Sean, I do understand where your coming from better.
I only gave one or two positives to how it could work for me but there are others as Steven has already mentioned and Dazmond has picked up on.
I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire but you could apply the same reasoning to Gardiners quick lock system and regard it as an unnecessary gimmick - whats wrong with a universal screw thread and socket ?
there is no right or wrong, we'll just agree to differ ;)
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great idea steve, just took advantage of you`re introductory offer and ordered 2 conversion kits for my gardiner poles, always liked the idea of tubeless but never followed it up because i like to use taps on the end of my poles, but now with you`re new uni-valve i won`t need the taps.
two main advantages for me will be not having all that hose hanging around above the reels, as is tends to get in the way when im reeling in, sometimes i chuck the hose over the top of the door to keep it up out off the way when im winding in only to forget iv done it and shut it in the door....(for me its just hassle)
the second advantage for me will be being able to shorten my pole instantly, at the moment if im working on my own its fine as i`ll use the wifes 22ft with tap on end of pole and whip the 31ft out when i need it, but when were both working i get to use my 31ft all day as she uses the 22, using the 31 all day can get a bit cumbersome, not so much because of the weight, but working in tight spaces can be a pain
so for me its a win win situation, well done steve
STEVE......will you be doing an introductory offer on the UNI-VALVES when they become available?
tony
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Personally I like the idea of the tubeless system but the price seems a bit dear to me especially when you convert to euros. I have used and continue to use the aqua dapter and will definitely use the uni valve. Will you be offering a discount for both Steve?
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I also have ordered a kit .but I was wondering if it will work with a gooseneck.
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I tell you all now. No bull. Its a fantastic system. !!!
When you want to change poles it drips for 2 seconds only. Remember it had a very short length of thin hose in 1 section only.
His rectus is inside the pole and lasts forever. I used to go through them like mad, catching curbs etc. Really peed me off. At near £5 each time. I have saved loads
Downside
You have to wind in 8/6mm hose and pole hose in 1. Its not as bendy as micro/minibore.
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so the pole hose will stay on your reel of microbore and you simply plug it into your pole?
so i could just have one pole hose for multiple poles(say 50 feet length to accommodate xtreme 47).
it seems like a good idea but what about changing brushes and goosenecks during your working day?i use all gardiner poles,brushes and goosenecks.
this and the uni-valve could be the ultimate in water control and ease of use. :)
Positive
my experience with rectus 21 fittings is they pop off at times.if your tugging the hose a lot to turn your water on/off 100 times a day im not sure how long they will last plus you ll be constantly connecting and disconnecting it every time you put your pole in the van.if using hot water and the o ring fittings on the uni-valve, i can see them also popping off and leaking inside the pole as its being pulled 100s of times over the course of a week putting extra strain on them.
all these extra fittings on the pole hose inside the pole will cause problems and extra faffing around IMO in real day to day use.
i might be wrong though! :)
Negative.
All within 45 mins lol
i like to weigh things up mate.pros and cons. ;D
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Is SeanK against the tubeless innovation ? , lol
Personally it's looks good and the Uni-valve will be awesome .
Just embrace innovation , if you don't like it or don't agree with it , then just buy something else ?
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Is SeanK against the tubeless innovation ? , lol
Personally it's looks good and the Uni-valve will be awesome .
Just embrace innovation , if you don't like it or don't agree with it , then just buy something else ?
I'm not for or against it, it does what its intended to do unlike some products ;) its just a product that I think most wont
need or want.
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Will give the Uni-valve a try though that's if I haven't retired before its release. ;D
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Will give the Uni-valve a try though that's if I haven't retired before its release. ;D
;D ;D ;D
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