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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: robert mitchell on November 05, 2015, 02:34:56 pm
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Does anyone use the gutter extreme clamped carbon gutter poles from Grippa ?
I have the the gutter lite tapered sections and find them a real pain , the end tool twists as you try to use it and coming loose and i had a section literally just fold in half as i moved it along the gutter yesterday ......only been used on six jobs!
The lightweight plastic end tools are already worn quite badly , the alloy version looks much better on there website but needs an adaptor to fit the pole that costs £85 +vat! :o
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I brought my carbon poles from a supplier direct which are modulat taper fit, I had an aluminium collar made and bonded it into the top section cost me a tenner from an engineering company
Darran
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we use the 10th section (goes onto an extreme 47 and its still modular)
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/extension-sections-for-telescopic-poles/the-new-slx-extension-sections-10.html
Used them for years and work well, only thing we did was to replace the plastic inserts at the bottom with metal instead of plastic.
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Slightly off topic but this made me laugh whilst having a butchers on their site.
20m cable rool £92.04 plus 20% vat £110.45....They must be having a laugh surely? ???
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/20m-cable-roll-uk-230v-nvm-155a
You can get a decent size cable reel (45m) from the likes of screwix for 31.98 or with a 5 off voucher they send through from time to time 26.98 like I did. You got to be raving bonker to buy some of gripa products methinks.
Anyway back on topic are you saying if I read it right one of your pole sections broke or was it one of those gardiner crapy heads they sell?
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The wheels obviously cost £70 smurf!!!
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I brought my carbon poles from a supplier direct which are modulat taper fit, I had an aluminium collar made and bonded it into the top section cost me a tenner from an engineering company
Darran
Spill the beans
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The wheels obviously cost £70 smurf!!!
;D
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Bottom of the page
http://www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk/standard-tubes/
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Slightly off topic but this made me laugh whilst having a butchers on their site.
20m cable rool £92.04 plus 20% vat £110.45....They must be having a laugh surely? ???
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/20m-cable-roll-uk-230v-nvm-155a
You can get a decent size cable reel (45m) from the likes of screwix for 31.98 or with a 5 off voucher they send through from time to time 26.98 like I did. You got to be raving bonker to buy some of gripa products methinks.
Anyway back on topic are you saying if I read it right one of your pole sections broke or was it one of those gardiner crapy heads they sell?
yes a section broke .
its these which grippa sell but are actually gardiner modular base sections .
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/gutter-lite-high-level-tapered-vacuum-poles
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I brought my carbon poles from a supplier direct which are modulat taper fit, I had an aluminium collar made and bonded it into the top section cost me a tenner from an engineering company
Darran
Thanks Darran i would rather go for clamped sections though , like these .
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/gutter-lite-high-level-clamped-vacuum-poles
But the adaptor to fit an alloy end on seems well overpriced for what it is ?
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/b-grippavac-alloy-gutter-gulper-tool
Carbon adaptor 108 quid with vat ! plus 50 for the actual tool ! :o :o :o
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Oh thats a bummer ???
How many sections were you using at the time?
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only 3 , it folded like cardboard!
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I brought my carbon poles from a supplier direct which are modulat taper fit, I had an aluminium collar made and bonded it into the top section cost me a tenner from an engineering company
Darran
Thanks Darran i would rather go for clamped sections though , like these .
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/gutter-lite-high-level-clamped-vacuum-poles
But the adaptor to fit an alloy end on seems well overpriced for what it is ?
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/b-grippavac-alloy-gutter-gulper-tool
Carbon adaptor 108 quid with vat ! plus 50 for the actual tool ! :o :o :o
Bonkers pricing if you ask me
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only 3 , it folded like cardboard!
Thats shocking ???
Were you giving it some wellie trying to remove sods etc?
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nope , just literally lifting it up
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nope , just literally lifting it up
I hope you raised a complaint with grippa and mr Gardiner ?
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no i haven't done that , i think i have had them over a year , even though i have only used them about six/seven times .
they are very light but not sure they are strong enough !
the lightweight end tools are useless too
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Smudger, how much do those poles cost each?
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no i haven't done that , i think i have had them over a year , even though i have only used them about six/seven times .
they are very light but not sure they are strong enough !
the lightweight end tools are useless too
Can I ask were exactly did the section snap?
Still only using the gardiner gutter poles six times you should still raise a compliant as I know I would if I knew I had done nothing to warrant the pole section failure.
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Snapped pretty much in the middle of the section .
The thing is i dint like the tapered poles anyway , they twist as you try to use them , particularly the end tool , in my opinion they are not really up to the job .
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Smudger, how much do those poles cost each?
When I got mine from www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk I ordered 6 x CFTM0D50 2m carbon sections at 59 per section plus vat.
So was less than 450 inc vat and delivery for 6 sections.
They only sell carbon fibre pole sections so no tools etc will come with them. For what they are which is nothing special to be honest. Still they seem good value in my book compaired to what you can pay for other type carbon poles and needless to say a darn site easier to use than omnivac aerospace grade t1 aluminium poles.
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Snapped pretty much in the middle of the section .
The thing is i dint like the tapered poles anyway , they twist as you try to use them , particularly the end tool , in my opinion they are not really up to the job .
Crickey! No indeed those gardiner extreme gutter pole sections don't sound up to the job at all. ???
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Smudger, how much do those poles cost each?
When I got mine from www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk I ordered 6 x CFTM0D50 2m carbon sections at 59 per section plus vat.
So was less than 450 inc vat and delivery for 6 sections.
They only sell carbon fibre pole sections so no tools etc will come with them. For what they are which is nothing special to be honest are still good value in my book and still a darn site easier to use than omnivac aerospace grade t1 aluminium poles for sure.
I had alloy ones to start with and they were far too heavy , the gutter extreme clamped carbon poles come to nearly 600 for 6 sections plus 150 for the end tool and adapter ! :o :o
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The wheels obviously cost £70 smurf!!!
I suppose if you're that way inclined just get a hacksaw and a set of these to diy your own if you want a reel on wheels...Job done ;D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SET-OF-4-NEW-CASTORS-STRONG-FURNITURE-WHEELS-Black-sofa-chair-upholstery-glides-/221913891129?hash=item33ab194139:g:~HsAAOSw0JpV53Oy
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Anyone got a picture of those carbon fibre poles thinking of an upgrade soon.. would like to see one if possible ;)
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I assume you mean the ones being sold by carbonfibretubes?
If so nope sorry but they are black in colour, with fine ridge texture finish, 2m long, one wider tappered black end that other sections fit snuggly into. In certain light they can look grey in colour due to the ridges reflecting light. Get the picture ;D
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Avo if I get time I will take some pics and upload some tomorrow
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Avo if I get time I will take some pics and upload some tomorrow
cheers..
What bag do u store them in?
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I don't as use a large pull down pipe box that came with the van to store them in.
The bags that come with the likes of skyvac etc are just chepo ski bags you can get local from a shop that sells ski gear or on the net including fleebay. Just make sure you buy the right length/ size bag as you will need at least 210cm to fit all the poles in.
You could also use the cardboard box they were delivered in for a while in the van I suppose too if you wanted but will be only a matter of times it starts to disintegrate when the box gets wet.
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Hi Avo, Here is a pic of the poles supplied by www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk
As mentioned before they just sell the poles so you have to sort out the guttervac heads yourself.
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Pretty much same as smurf for the poles
Mine fit into a fishing rod bag, cost me £20 off eBay
Darran
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we use the 10th section (goes onto an extreme 47 and its still modular)
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/extension-sections-for-telescopic-poles/the-new-slx-extension-sections-10.html
Used them for years and work well, only thing we did was to replace the plastic inserts at the bottom with metal instead of plastic.
See that number 10 section, reading description says it will fit the extreme 47 pole .............. Is this rite so could extended 47 by 6' ......... And would it be that you could use this again as 2 x number 10 would give you a further 12'
Sorry if it sounds daft but I paid £200 x 2 for extentions for the 47 and am just on the verge of having another 2 to take me to 70' region
Using these would give a decent saving
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we use the 10th section (goes onto an extreme 47 and its still modular)
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/extension-sections-for-telescopic-poles/the-new-slx-extension-sections-10.html
Used them for years and work well, only thing we did was to replace the plastic inserts at the bottom with metal instead of plastic.
See that number 10 section, reading description says it will fit the extreme 47 pole .............. Is this rite so could extended 47 by 6' ......... And would it be that you could use this again as 2 x number 10 would give you a further 12'
Sorry if it sounds daft but I paid £200 x 2 for extentions for the 47 and am just on the verge of having another 2 to take me to 70' region
Using these would give a decent saving
The #10 sections are designed and sold as modular extensions for the Xtreme47 window cleaning pole (using them for gutters is a secondary use and not sold by us for this purpose).
The Standard #10 modular extension can be used with a maximum of 3 extending an Xtreme47
The High Strength #10 modular extension can be used with a maximum of 6 extending an Xtreme47
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I don't do gutter work, but thanks Alex
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Pretty much same as smurf for the poles
Mine fit into a fishing rod bag, cost me £20 off eBay
Darran
Good thinking smudger :)
Don't suppose you could put up a link to the fishing rod bag you brought from fleebay so we can take a looksee as sounds interesting. Ta...
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Was a good while back I'll see what I can find
Darran
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Was a good while back I'll see what I can find
Darran
Ta very much ;)
I think a bag would defo come in handy for most when setting the gear up when you have to walk to the furthest point say on blocks of flats etc.
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I brought my carbon poles from a supplier direct which are modulat taper fit, I had an aluminium collar made and bonded it into the top section cost me a tenner from an engineering company
Darran
Thanks Darran i would rather go for clamped sections though , like these .
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/gutter-lite-high-level-clamped-vacuum-poles
But the adaptor to fit an alloy end on seems well overpriced for what it is ?
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/b-grippavac-alloy-gutter-gulper-tool
Carbon adaptor 108 quid with vat ! plus 50 for the actual tool ! :o :o :o
Hi Robert - thank you for your feedback - feel free to email us directly to discuss your issue you had with the pole.
The carbon adaptors are more expensive as they are taken from a standard section and reworked, hence the cost.
You could however go for the plastic adaptor that is found in our spares section :
https://www.grippatank.co.uk/vacuum/accessories-spares
Look forward to hearing from you,
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Snapped pretty much in the middle of the section .
The thing is i dint like the tapered poles anyway , they twist as you try to use them , particularly the end tool , in my opinion they are not really up to the job .
I use the Xtreme clamped sections from Grippa. They're excellent, don't have a problem with the sections of tools spinning. 👍
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Grippa , the link you posted just goes to a blank page rather than a plastic adapter .
The plastic lightweight end tools are not upto the job and tend to spin as they are not a tight fit in the section .
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Snapped pretty much in the middle of the section .
The thing is i dint like the tapered poles anyway , they twist as you try to use them , particularly the end tool , in my opinion they are not really up to the job .
I use the Xtreme clamped sections from Grippa. They're excellent, don't have a problem with the sections of tools spinning. 👍
Do you have the carbon adapter on the end and the alloy end tools or do you use the lightweight plastic tools?
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Hi Avo, Here is a pic of the poles supplied by www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk
As mentioned before they just sell the poles so you have to sort out the guttervac heads yourself.
they look brilliant they do mate.. there going on my wanted list ;)
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Snapped pretty much in the middle of the section .
The thing is i dint like the tapered poles anyway , they twist as you try to use them , particularly the end tool , in my opinion they are not really up to the job .
I've been using the lightweight plastic tools, they're sound for what I want. I've done some jobs where even the narrow ended gulper has a job getting into the gap between tile and gutter but even then hadn't had spinning issues and I've used plenty of force!
I use the Xtreme clamped sections from Grippa. They're excellent, don't have a problem with the sections of tools spinning. 👍
Do you have the carbon adapter on the end and the alloy end tools or do you use the lightweight plastic tools?
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Sorry,that post has come out oddly. ::)roll
First section of the largest paragraph ;D
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im guessing the end tool is clamped in on the extreme poles rather than just pushed in?
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im guessing the end tool is clamped in on the extreme poles rather than just pushed in?
Yeah, that's exactly right Rob
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Hi Avo, Here is a pic of the poles supplied by www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk
As mentioned before they just sell the poles so you have to sort out the guttervac heads yourself.
they look brilliant they do mate.. there going on my wanted list ;)
Glad to be of any help ;)
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im guessing the end tool is clamped in on the extreme poles rather than just pushed in?
Yeah, that's exactly right Rob
Thats the difference then , wish i had bought those ones in the first place now!
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surely you could mod them to do the same?
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no idea , i don't know if they sell the clamps separately and that doesn't solve the problem of them not being very strong either .
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Sound like they are not really fit for purpose then ???
I know Rhinoman mentioned on here when he posted one of his vid that his crew snapped two poles on one 3/4 storey job they did but I don't remember what poles he was using at the time.
I will see if I can find the old thread.
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nope im not convinced they are .......very very light but thats no good if they snap.
I thin the clamped version is stronger and obviously a bit heavier but its a lot of money to replace them all!
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I think to be honest trying to clear gutters with carbon fibre poles will eventualy take it's toll on any type of carbon gutter pole sections you buy. They are defo not as strong or as durable as say using aluminum but that's the trade off you make when wanting to use lighter weight guttervac poles I suppose.
That's why I went for the chepo ones from carbonfibretubes just to see what they were like as I got asked to do a large 3 storey job so paid for themselves and more some just doing that one job. My logic was even if they lasted doing that one job I would been quids in but turns out as it happens they surved their purpose very well.
The job that I brought them for that's just part of it in the pic so was thinking to myself whilst doing a gutter survey fook struggling with my old omni aluminium poles on that lot. I will simply add the cost of new carbon poles into the job as well as you do as I was not bothered either way if I got it or not.
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I would still expect them to last more than 6 jobs though and certainly not snap as I'm lifting it up .
They are sold for this purpose after all .
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Yes indeed as I've mentioned before you really need to take that up with Alex Gardiner after all he supplies grippa with those gutter poles. I think Alex has already mentioned to get in contact with him.
Edit: sorry just read through all the posts again it was grippa not Alex who said contact them via email but if you get no joy I would send Alex an email too.
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I would still expect them to last more than 6 jobs though and certainly not snap as I'm lifting it up .
They are sold for this purpose after all .
Robert,
You have changed your story, from just moving it along the gutter to lifting it.
We found that a 1.5 metre carbon fibre pole went from 425 grams to 1250 grams in fifteen minutes.
You must keep the poles clean, if the gutters are muddy, clean about every 15 minutes.
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I've had no problems with my grippa poles and I've done a lot more than 6 jobs ;)
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I would still expect them to last more than 6 jobs though and certainly not snap as I'm lifting it up .
They are sold for this purpose after all .
Robert,
You have changed your story, from just moving it along the gutter to lifting it.
We found that a 1.5 metre carbon fibre pole went from 425 grams to 1250 grams in fifteen minutes.
You must keep the poles clean, if the gutters are muddy, clean about every 15 minutes.
Sorry where has Robert changed his story ???
Good housekeeping tip though about sludge/debris sticking to the insides as it's not just the poles it effects but the vac head, hose, vac inlet and vac filter so can have an effect not only of the weight of the kit but also can reduce the suction too.
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Hi Avo, Here is a pic of the poles supplied by www.carbonfibretubes.co.uk
As mentioned before they just sell the poles so you have to sort out the guttervac heads yourself.
they look brilliant they do mate.. there going on my wanted list ;)
Glad to be of any help ;)
the head sections and end tools will be easy for me to put together but how are you attaching the vac hose to the pole? Are you using 51mm vac cuffs?
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Yes
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I would still expect them to last more than 6 jobs though and certainly not snap as I'm lifting it up .
I was lifting it to move it along the gutter , maybe I should have been clearer but didn't expect people to split hairs .
The section that snapped is my newest section that I brought to extend what I already had , the other sections have done around 15 jobs .
I still think they are too fragile for gutter clearing , especially for the price .
Alex specifically mentioned in another thread that he doesn't sell these sections for the purpose of gutter clearing .....so I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be interested .
As for the weight going up with crud inside , the poles were clean and this was the first section of gutter in this job .
They are sold for this purpose after all .
Robert,
You have changed your story, from just moving it along the gutter to lifting it.
We found that a 1.5 metre carbon fibre pole went from 425 grams to 1250 grams in fifteen minutes.
You must keep the poles clean, if the gutters are muddy, clean about every 15 minutes.
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no idea , i don't know if they sell the clamps separately and that doesn't solve the problem of them not being very strong either .
I've got an Xtreme 25 with twin extension packs taking it to 44', I'm sure this last section is the same diameter as my gutter poles. Need to check!
My point being, you could order x1 clamp for that size and see how it fits. I can't see why it wouldn't. You could ask Mr. G for the definitive answer 😳😀
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Well none of my chepo carbonfibretubes.co.uk poles have snapped so they must be better made or something ::)roll
Whoever said 2m pole sections are no good are talking rubbish too. Mind you I could have done with a larger than 50mm head on that one as looks tiny in those types of gutters ;D
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I've had no problems with my grippa poles and I've done a lot more than 6 jobs ;)
Thanks SB / RIgsby for your positive feedback.
Robert, feel free to contact the office to discuss your existing setup/requirements - (enquiries@grippatank.co.uk or support@grippatank.co.uk). We sell a large number of these pole sections and very rarely have any warranty issues on them so are always interested to hear from our customers if and when they have a problem.
Look forward to hearing from you,