Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JackieW on November 02, 2015, 07:06:37 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ZJZ7lFdv8
Has anyone got feedback on doing this conversion on a Gardiner Extreme pole?
I notice that it's recommended to cut about 90mm off the bottom of section 1 to allow the valve to sit inside the closed pole.
On a Gardiner Extreme pole with the metal banding on the clamping section that would only leave about 20mm of the wider section beneath the clamp.
Like the idea but not sure it would be safe on an Extreme.
Standard SLX with the full diameter all the way wouldn't be a problem I think.
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I don't have an extreme, but if I could justify the cost of one I would definately not want to go hacking bits off it, and what about voiding its warranty ?
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Can't say I would like to go hacking about an extreme pole but they do look good
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Water-Fed-Pole-Tubeless-Conversion-Kit-Any-pole-/171986071892?hash=item280b2b3154:g:hokAAOSwYHxWMftp
Ex-ceed Innovation conversion kit for gardiner poles.
The benefits over standard water fed poles, below:
For more info please see videos at: http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/
1) No hose attached means easy pole switch over.
2) No need to coil up pole hoses, when putting poles away.
3) Take off/add on sections without the need of threading hose through pole sections.
4) No hose attached means hassle free cleaning of pole sections.
5) Hose fittings lasting 4 to 5 times longer as they are concealed.
6) No hose attached means tidier pole storage.
7) No hose attached means a dry vehicle floor.
All you will need to convert your pole to tubeless is some standard 8mm OD pole hose. A 6mm rectus 21 female and 6mm rectus male hose tail.
Kit Includes
1 X Sleeve Ejector
3 X O-Clips
1 X Pole Bung
1 X Hose Stay
1 X Hose Barb (8mm to 6mm)
The only thing it don't mention in the fleebay listing is hack sawing the pole...I wonder why that is? ;D
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Can't say I would like to go hacking about an extreme pole but they do look good
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Water-Fed-Pole-Tubeless-Conversion-Kit-Any-pole-/171986071892?hash=item280b2b3154:g:hokAAOSwYHxWMftp
Ex-ceed Innovation conversion kit for gardiner poles.
The benefits over standard water fed poles, below:
For more info please see videos at: http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/
1) No hose attached means easy pole switch over.
2) No need to coil up pole hoses, when putting poles away.
3) Take off/add on sections without the need of threading hose through pole sections.
4) No hose attached means hassle free cleaning of pole sections.
5) Hose fittings lasting 4 to 5 times longer as they are concealed.
6) No hose attached means tidier pole storage.
7) No hose attached means a dry vehicle floor.
All you will need to convert your pole to tubeless is some standard 8mm OD pole hose. A 6mm rectus 21 female and 6mm rectus male hose tail.
Kit Includes
1 X Sleeve Ejector
3 X O-Clips
1 X Pole Bung
1 X Hose Stay
1 X Hose Barb (8mm to 6mm)
The only thing it don't mention in the fleebay listing is hack sawing the pole...I wonder why that is? ;D
[/quote} You dont need to cut the xtreme pole, for it to work
Steven.
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If you dont feel confident i can fit the kit to the poles
You dont need to cut the xtreme pole, for it to work
Steve,
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If it's not broke dont try an fix it, lol another gimmick on the market, ive used extreme from the start only thing different I done was 6mm od tubing, why on earth would you mess with perfection, just over complicating it adding more bits just to go wrong, idea has been around for years if it was anygood it would be standard in today equipment, well have fun messing around but know when to stop.
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Its not a gimmick, it has cost affective and convenient benefits.
I do not make useless or pointless products, i was a wfp user for years, one of the first around in fact, so i know my stuff.
Steven.
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I like the idea Steven , in fact I use it already albeit my own diy version on a supermax 40 .
Good that you answered op's question about the extreme. Shortening an already fragile pole ( don't shoot me ciu , only going by forum posts ) that has a specific clamping banded area would not be a good idea.
Does your conversion kit work with the uni valve ? I'd buy both if it did.
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If it's not broke dont try an fix it, lol another gimmick on the market, ive used extreme from the start only thing different I done was 6mm od tubing, why on earth would you mess with perfection, just over complicating it adding more bits just to go wrong, idea has been around for years if it was anygood it would be standard in today equipment, well have fun messing around but know when to stop.
I changed to this last Christmas on one pole, within a week all 3 poles had this gimmick
HTH
Tony
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If it's not broke dont try an fix it, lol another gimmick on the market, ive used extreme from the start only thing different I done was 6mm od tubing, why on earth would you mess with perfection, just over complicating it adding more bits just to go wrong, idea has been around for years if it was anygood it would be standard in today equipment, well have fun messing around but know when to stop.
I changed to this last Christmas on one pole, within a week all 3 poles had this gimmick
HTH
Tony
This gimmick means I no longer have to waste money on 3 poles instead of one.
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If you dont feel confident i can fit the kit to the poles
You dont need to cut the xtreme pole, for it to work
Steve,
Thats good to know ;)
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Thanks Steven.
But won't the valve protrude out of the bottom of the assembled pole if section 1 isn't cut to some degree?
As regards s.w.c. saying ''If it's not broke dont try an fix it, lol'' I assume that means that no further improvements can ever be made to the Extreme pole.
Mr Gardiner had better cancel his new range of X3 Extremes then, and stick to his old stock.
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Agree about adding sections as would be easy to do. Likewise you could use the pole for other uses too if you wanted like say a gutter cam pole are even dare I say it use it as a trad pole when needed without having to faff about with a hose fitted on the pole already. That was some of the main reasons why for a long time ran the pole hose on the outside of my poles
Does that qualify me for a free kit to try Steve (including the rectus fittings) ::)roll
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"But won't the valve protrude out of the bottom of the assembled pole if section 1 isn't cut to some degree?"
The extreme pole sections are stepped and dont come level at the base, so no need to trim the pole.
But will need to trim section no one if using slx or clx.
Steven
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Hi Steve .how much do you charge to fit 1 clx and 1 slx
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Hi Ray,
The kit is £45 for one hose reel,(Biggest cost) but that will rig up to as many poles as you like.
Then i charge £15 per pole to convert
If you send the poles to me via UK Mail, it will cost you £12
But really it is very easy to do!
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Like the look of it to be honest, may try it on one of the pole to see how get on with it
Can I ask why you need to cut off 90mm of the pole section?
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Does your conversion kit work with the uni valve ?
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Extend section one from the clamp by 90 mm, wrap a few turns of electrical tape around the pole to act a stopper, no need to cut pole if you change your mind but collapsed length will be 90 mm longer ;)
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Its not a gimmick, it has cost affective and convenient benefits.
I do not make useless or pointless products, i was a wfp user for years, one of the first around in fact, so i know my stuff.
Steven.
ok so you know everything about waterfed, so I must be a noddy then, alex got new pole coming then, well I never knew that in noddy land, so when I look back at modified bits I done over last 14 years I never learnt a thing an help alex for many years but he never listen because I didnt know a thing, ok I must not be the only one in noddy land then,
interestingly I had some useless ideas over the years but also the odd good one, 14 years of modified water fed pole parts even designed my own tank an baffle design, I also know a little about extreme pole too still ha b e prototype sections, mmmm but im a noddy and no one listened to me,
So you invent an make your own bits then steve, so your telling me your perfect an never made a mistake or two or even waisted time on the odd thing that didn't work, then I take my hat off to you and run around in circles saying you live in noddy land too.lol lol
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No, i made loads of evolutionary changes to my products, has customers revealed what i did not see.
Hence the reason for simplicity, like tubeless kit. and new uni-valve.
Steven.
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Steve ive been around for a few years when mr brimble was at it and peter an alex with maver poles as first superlite an bentley brushes, I use a few forums so know me as smithy or s.w.c, but not heard of you till now, you cant teach a old dog new tricks. Lol
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Well thanks for your advice, Aqua-dapter as a product as been very successful with global distribution, which makes me confident with our products.
The new uni-valve and tubeless kit is even more simple and fool proof that give us even more confidence.
Our products are vigorously tested like this, prototype uni-valve, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc3gdWy5tjA
So if you have got experience, good, but so have i.
Steve.
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Its not a gimmick, it has cost affective and convenient benefits.
I do not make useless or pointless products, i was a wfp user for years, one of the first around in fact, so i know my stuff.
Steven.
ok so you know everything about waterfed, so I must be a noddy then, alex got new pole coming then, well I never knew that in noddy land, so when I look back at modified bits I done over last 14 years I never learnt a thing an help alex for many years but he never listen because I didnt know a thing, ok I must not be the only one in noddy land then,
interestingly I had some useless ideas over the years but also the odd good one, 14 years of modified water fed pole parts even designed my own tank an baffle design, I also know a little about extreme pole too still ha b e prototype sections, mmmm but im a noddy and no one listened to me,
So you invent an make your own bits then steve, so your telling me your perfect an never made a mistake or two or even waisted time on the odd thing that didn't work, then I take my hat off to you and run around in circles saying you live in noddy land too.lol lol
??? Who rattled you're cage?
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I think he's been in that cage for ? 14 years
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introducing innovation to shiners is a great sounding board indeed as you will achieve all the feedback you will ever require, some innovator's can handle it better than others whether the feedback is positive or negative, of course the example i am going to use is little waffle weave glass cloths which we sell 100s of every month (even without a website believe it or not and yes most guys on here won't believe that) i have to say i take it all in good spirit, thats the slagging you have to live with and if you can't just don't bother promoting your ideas on the shiners section, i have other innovations that we did not develop but am looking forward to sharing them on this section and will enjoy the banter that they will generate, and even already guys on here are thinking poo here we go again.
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s.w.c
''ok so you know everything about waterfed''
I'm still looking to find where Steven said he knows everything about waterfed, could you point that bit out please,
''So you invent an make your own bits then steve, so your telling me your perfect an never made a mistake or two''
What an odd conclusion to come to. Someone comes up with an idea and puts it into production and that automatically means that what they are really saying is that they are perfect and never make a mistake? As you say, lol, lol.
''so I must be a noddy then''
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Steve I never liked the aqua adapter an stated that to them at the start, I still see threads aqua adapter issues, me personally dont see you thing taking off like you think, but you seem to be very inventory which I appreciate but sometimes simple is a key, your product is going to be marmite one, not everyone will like it and at first negative response you spit your dummy out, criticism will only strive you to further things if you read into positive part of criticism, but please sharpen those blunt snips, lol
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The univalve is replacing the aqua-dapter as the problems associated with aqua-dapter have been removed by univalve.
Customer feedback is the key.
Steven,
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Steve ive been around for a few years when mr brimble was at it and peter an alex with maver poles as first superlite an bentley brushes, I use a few forums so know me as smithy or s.w.c, but not heard of you till now, you cant teach a old dog new tricks. Lol
Do you know who he is now?
Has an old dog learnt a new trick lol
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Oh that brings back memories when Steve brought out the first aquadaptor as you had to take a hacksaw to your poles to fit that too if I remember right. He got loads of stick online because of that then the mk2 aquadaptor was born. That just goes to show Steve does listen to people. Anyway back on topic as having to shorten the top section of poles to fit that kit to convert other make poles I would have thought is a very big stumbling block for many with newish poles.
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Personally I don't get the slagging off. I have bought several aqua dapters and I love them even if they weren't perfect. They were a very innovative product at the time.
It seems to me that if a product is good it will last if not it will soon be forgotten. Either way I look forward to seeing new products/ ideas on here and that is the main reason I come on here, not to listen to people bitching and knocking other people for their ideas.
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Well someone paid £28.99 inc delivery for it and it didn't have the rectus fittings . I wonder if the WCW one will fit an Xtreme without any hacksawing as I aint damaging a 2 week old pole .
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Well someone paid £28.99 inc delivery for it and it didn't have the rectus fittings . I wonder if the WCW one will fit an Xtreme without any hacksawing as I aint damaging a 2 week old pole .
If you really want to have a 'tubeless' Xtreme without hacksawing it (which would invalidate any pole warranty) then drop me an email. Many of our clients over the years have DIY converted their poles to work with them in this way. One of my local friends has worked like this for the last 12 years. One of our clients has previously posted this conversion on CIU (I will try and find his post), but if you email me I can email back a copy of what he does. This method would involve no altering of the pole other than the end-cap.
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Well someone paid £28.99 inc delivery for it and it didn't have the rectus fittings . I wonder if the WCW one will fit an Xtreme without any hacksawing as I aint damaging a 2 week old pole .
Hi Mike,
I dont think you will need to cut your pole down, as i believe the extreme range are stepped sections (Not level at the base)
Also because an extreme pole has only 3 clamping points this also is a concern as if you remove part of the section, you will remove part of the clamping point.
Just to add that Facelift have modified there top sections, and made them shorter than the other sections to accommodate
Tubeless systems, which does not need the customer to do this.
The best way to go about is try the above suggestion without cutting the section.
Steven.
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Well someone paid £28.99 inc delivery for it and it didn't have the rectus fittings . I wonder if the WCW one will fit an Xtreme without any hacksawing as I aint damaging a 2 week old pole .
If you really want to have a 'tubeless' Xtreme without hacksawing it (which would invalidate any pole warranty) then drop me an email. Many of our clients over the years have DIY converted their poles to work with them in this way. One of my local friends has worked like this for the last 12 years. One of our clients has previously posted this conversion on CIU (I will try and find his post), but if you email me I can email back a copy of what he does. This method would involve no altering of the pole other than the end-cap.
Alex thanks for that shall I contact you via the website .
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I wwould stick to my extreme with carbon gooseneck with light 6mm soft tubing all day long, simple standard reliable,
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I think the tubeless conversion is a very good mod. It mead the pole hose gets wiped every time the hose is wound in, it stops the hose getting tangled up in the back of the van, and protects the fittings. Mine has been fitted to my pole for nearly a year and it is still using the original rectus fitting it was supplied with and is not leaking or jamming up.
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I think the tubeless conversion is a very good mod. It mead the pole hose gets wiped every time the hose is wound in, it stops the hose getting tangled up in the back of the van, and protects the fittings. Mine has been fitted to my pole for nearly a year and it is still using the original rectus fitting it was supplied with and is not leaking or jamming up.
Unless you have a Citroen Dispatch with the poles in racks above the cab, you then get the water that's still in the hose dripping
onto your head and seats. ;D
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Lee that is very good to know i am changing things around now so defo want to convert .
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I think the tubeless conversion is a very good mod. It mead the pole hose gets wiped every time the hose is wound in, it stops the hose getting tangled up in the back of the van, and protects the fittings. Mine has been fitted to my pole for nearly a year and it is still using the original rectus fitting it was supplied with and is not leaking or jamming up.
Me to. Only I've changed them once. Great mod
Tony
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I think the tubeless conversion is a very good mod. It mead the pole hose gets wiped every time the hose is wound in, it stops the hose getting tangled up in the back of the van, and protects the fittings. Mine has been fitted to my pole for nearly a year and it is still using the original rectus fitting it was supplied with and is not leaking or jamming up.
Lee, I am glad to hear that, and I am confident that people who convert will be happy they did.
The term "hacksawing" has the idea of mutilation of a limb which is misleading.
Carbon is very easy to cut and to sand down, so please don't be turned off from going tubeless.
Anyway I have found a way to go tubeless without cutting the pole down, this way it can be tried to see if you like it. And you won't void a warranty ;)
I will post a vid tomorrow.
Steven.
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I didn't cut my pole straight away, I extended the top section 8cm the wrapped some insulation tape around the section the stop it retracting. I only cut the pole when I was sure I wanted to keep the tubeless setup.
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Its not for me, I keep it simple an green 6mm tubing is so supple its a doddle.
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Why do most posts end up slagging people off?
All love all Steves ......and Alex products. Aqua Dapter is a must. Awaiting new product.
Using his system was the best think I did. I used to be changing a Rectus fitting every week. I have used Steves sleeve now for what...about 1 year. Cant fault it.