Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: robert mitchell on October 21, 2015, 10:28:28 pm
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Did a day using fan jets for the first time today .......... and i like them .
Im using gardiners red ones but a lot on here slag them off , which are the best fans and where can i buy them to try out a few different ones?
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what difference have you noticed,ive heard a few mention these, as the rest i just go the norm, without experimenting
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what difference have you noticed,ive heard a few mention these, as the rest i just go the norm, without experimenting
Faster rinsing as you can cover most of each pane in one pass.
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They give the impression of a better rinse so if your a person that puts a lot of importance in rinsing
you might prefer them.
If your a person who's rinsing consists of a quick zigzag down the glass you wont notice any difference.
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Lumark are far better than gardiners
You can get them from wcw but are expensive
I get mine from agricultural spray tips - I'll post the link later
Morning Sean - I see your usual happy positive self ;D
Darran
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I like fans for gutter cleaning but stick to pencils for glass.
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I like the noise fan jets make. I got complaints when I switched to them for windows.
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Lumark are far better than gardiners
You can get them from wcw but are expensive
I get mine from agricultural spray tips - I'll post the link later
Morning Sean - I see your usual happy positive self ;D
Darran
Darran sorry if I insulted your fan jets or hurt their feelings give them a kiss from me. ;D
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As I said on another post I like them for conservatory roofs where its hard to rinse some of the dirt off it just gets pushed
to the side by pencil jets but even then they need the power of the mains to do a quick job.
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8 weekly , what did you get complaints about ?
I tried them on my Windows first and they came up just as good as with pencils .
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I bought a brush fitted with fanjets specifically for FSG cleaning about a year ago, tried it on the glass
just to see the result, now i use the fans on the glass all the time, i personally feel the fans rinsing reaches a
broader surface on the glass, and rinsing is quicker & superior, just my opinion.
Darran do you prefer fans or pencil jets on the glass, how are the lumak ones better, i might give them a
go as-well.
Lal
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8 weekly , what did you get complaints about ?
I tried them on my Windows first and they came up just as good as with pencils .
He's only joking Robert both types will do the job just as well, as with brushes its all about what you prefer using.
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£8 each on wcw >:(
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Do people that use fan jets find they use less water ?
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Do people that use fan jets find they use less water ?
I have both pencil and gardiners fan, no, I find for them to work well I need pump to be going full speed.
That said, maybe when I use on leaded and small georgian panes because I can clean them quicker than with pencils.
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8 weekly , what did you get complaints about ?
I tried them on my Windows first and they came up just as good as with pencils .
He's only joking Robert both types will do the job just as well, as with brushes its all about what you prefer using.
Actually I wasn't. The problem was me. I was using a sill brush and had the angle wrong and the spray was going too high. I use a carbon gooseneck now so it would probably be fine. It wasn't the fanjets really. It was a combination of fanjets, sill brushes and operator error.
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I think this old vid gives a good explanation why fan jets are better than using pencil jets.
Each to their own though as some ppl can't get on using fan jets for some strange reason but I think they are better myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SORg3AQ8nw
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I think this old vid gives a good explanation why fan jets are better than using pencil jets.
Each to their own though as some ppl can't get on using fan jets for some strange reason but I think they are better myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SORg3AQ8nw
Its always strange how people justify using certain pieces of equipment, if the water isn't rinsing properly on pencil jets
then fans aren't going to make any difference, instead of one inch of water bouncing off the hydrophobic glass you may have three but at the end of the day the glass will still repel it.
As long as your not too splash and dash then the scrub will have removed the majority of the dirt as your also rinsing while
scrubbing, the rinse without the scrub is more of a comfort blanket that may remove a little at the end or the odd cobweb.
Hydrophobic glass is a good example of this,it repels water so it doesn't matter what you do it will still repel it, but luckily for
us we don't need to actually touch the glass with water to clean it we just need to grab the dirt and rinse it off.
The brush is what removes the dirt on hydrophobic glass as its the only thing that touches it, the shape of the jet and the rinse for that matter does very little.
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If you don't rinse the glass properly that's when you can get issues with spotting which is mainly on hydrophobic glass no matter what jets you use. If you have not tried fan jets it shows in the vid that fan jets rinse better also quicker too especialy (not show) if you like rinsing with a wfp mono filiment brush on the glass. From experience I know fan jets work better :-*
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If you don't rinse the glass properly that's when you can get issues with spotting which is mainly on hydrophillic glass no matter what jets you use. If you have not tried fan jets It proves in the vid that fan jets rinse better also quicker too especialy if like rinsing with a wfp mono filiment brush on the glass.
Mate that video proves nothing other than the fan jet rinse pattern looks nicer, if the glass repels water then it repels water
a different shaped jet pattern isn't going to change that.
I haven't rinsed my own properties windows in years and it has some hydrophobic glass, they all come up perfect.
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Here's our loverbale mate explaining how to rinse properly ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnRRSYdoXw
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Crapinon that's newbie stuff mate but lets say that the rinse does act like a squeegee then what would happen if
you where using a squeegee that the glass repelled ?
Answer the dirt would still get left on the glass no matter how many times you squeegeed it, does this not tell you something.
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Simply question have you tried fan jets YES or NO?
If yes and you don't like them then fair enough but if you have never used fan jets them then you can't really comment if they rinse better or not. Stop being so pedantic as many prefer fan to pencil jets but that their personal choice.
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Here's our loverbale mate explaining how to rinse properly ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnRRSYdoXw
Well that's let the joey out the pouch, just goes to show , any idiot can do it ;D
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Here's our loverbale mate explaining how to rinse properly ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnRRSYdoXw
Well that's let the joey out the pouch, just goes to show , any idiot can do it ;D
Funny enough I figured out how to wash a window myself without being shown so what does that make me ;D
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I was thinking of blowing my budget and ordering a Supreme soft hybrid with fan jets as the last time I ordered fan jets I broke them when changing from one brush to another.
As I didn't have the chance to try them with my normal brush would they suit rinsing on the glass?
I'm willing to give them a try but part of me has the same opinion as Mr K
I can always use them for other work.
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I don't like them they make a mess and as said some customers do not like them,they give the impression you've got a jet wash in your hand
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Simply question have you tried fan jets YES or NO?
If yes and you don't like them then fair enough but if you have never used fan jets them then you can't really comment if they rinse better or not. Stop being so pedantic as many prefer fan to pencil jets but that their personal choice.
Yes, I have already said I use them for conservatory roof cleaning and totally agree they are a personal choice.
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If you don't rinse the glass properly that's when you can get issues with spotting which is mainly on hydrophillic glass no matter what jets you use. If you have not tried fan jets It proves in the vid that fan jets rinse better also quicker too especialy if like rinsing with a wfp mono filiment brush on the glass.
Mate that video proves nothing other than the fan jet rinse pattern looks nicer, if the glass repels water then it repels water
a different shaped jet pattern isn't going to change that.
I haven't rinsed my own properties windows in years and it has some hydrophobic glass, they all come up perfect.
I think Sean's right. I prefer pencil jets because they are more accurate.
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I have never used fan jets in nearly 6 years wfp...pencil jets have done me proud and if it ain't broke don't fix it ;D
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Gardiners fans are more of a hybrid - they fan but it's too narrow - lumark fans have a wide even arc which produces a strong horizontal line of water which sheets down the glass.
Here is a link to fan jets
http://www.spraytips.co.uk/_-Threaded-Flat-Fan-_/product/?pid=108795
Yes I would never go back to pencil jets, been using fans for about nearly five years, it became apparent that pencils, we're not only a poor delivery method because at high flow the water hits the glass and mushrooms making a mess and a low flow the rinse is pretty useless for proper coverage, it is each to their own of course.
But for us, the quality of rinse combined with time saving per job Makes this choice a no brainier
Darran
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Gardiners fans are more of a hybrid - they fan but it's too narrow - lumark fans have a wide even arc which produces a strong horizontal line of water which sheets down the glass.
Here is a link to fan jets
http://www.spraytips.co.uk/_-Threaded-Flat-Fan-_/product/?pid=108795
Yes I would never go back to pencil jets, been using fans for about nearly five years, it became apparent that pencils, we're not only a poor delivery method because at high flow the water hits the glass and mushrooms making a mess and a low flow the rinse is pretty useless for proper coverage, it is each to their own of course.
But for us, the quality of rinse combined with time saving per job Makes this choice a no brainier
Darran
Cheers Smudger .......how do you fit these to the brush as they are threaded?
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I connect to these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Female-Swivel-Elbow-Push-Fit-Bsp-Threads-Swivel-Elbow-Metric-Push-in-Female-BSP-/131374402893?var=&hash=item1e96864d4d:m:mjAz9r0KMcTufZBjxHiITaQ
Darran
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I connect to these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Female-Swivel-Elbow-Push-Fit-Bsp-Threads-Swivel-Elbow-Metric-Push-in-Female-BSP-/131374402893?var=&hash=item1e96864d4d:m:mjAz9r0KMcTufZBjxHiITaQ
Darran
Hey Darren, thanks for this.
I now have the tips and also the elbows. Two things, what size drill do you use and also a picture if possible. When i offer mine to a brush the tip seems to protrude quite far and I'm wondering if there is another way.
Thanks
Tony
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I drill through with an 11.8 diameter but 12 is ok ( but you may not get a push fit. I then glue them in so you can set the amount that protrudes the bristle side, the sl does push through more than supremes, but I've never managed to get a nozzle to hit the frame let alone the glass.
Got a unit day tomorrow so I'll do some pics and post them.
Darran
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I drill through with an 11.8 diameter but 12 is ok ( but you may not get a push fit. I then glue them in so you can set the amount that protrudes the bristle side, the sl does push through more than supremes, but I've never managed to get a nozzle to hit the frame let alone the glass.
Got a unit day tomorrow so I'll do some pics and post them.
Darren
Cheers mate
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Gardiners fans are more of a hybrid - they fan but it's too narrow - lumark fans have a wide even arc which produces a strong horizontal line of water which sheets down the glass.
I tried the earlier Gardiners fans, the clear ones, i found them just the same as a pencil jet. No fan at all really. I now use the Gardiners red fan jets, i'm happy with them. I agree with above they've just a preference, i wouldn't stick my neck out and say either one was better. I do only use fans now though, mostly.
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I connect to these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Female-Swivel-Elbow-Push-Fit-Bsp-Threads-Swivel-Elbow-Metric-Push-in-Female-BSP-/131374402893?var=&hash=item1e96864d4d:m:mjAz9r0KMcTufZBjxHiITaQ
Darran
Sorry to resurrect this old thread.
Darran, having done a search this thread has answered a good few questions I had about better alternatives to the Gardiner fan jets...
Just got one more, which size thread is it for these connectors for the spray tips?
Thanks
Paul
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Lumark are far better than gardiners
You can get them from wcw but are expensive
I get mine from agricultural spray tips - I'll post the link later
Morning Sean - I see your usual happy positive self ;D
Darran
Í got some spray tips from there but couldn't work out how to fit them to my brush -unless i got the wrong ones - any pics?
Hadn't read full thread, dope
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I like the noise fan jets make. I got complaints when I switched to them for windows.
indeed you will do IMO you will be more likely to upset or give the impression you are jet washing the Windows using fans in my experience customers don't like them,I found that they put water where you don't want it on domestics. The only place I feel they might be usable is on huge plate glass ie offices car showrooms etc on houses I found them to be useless.
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I used to swap from Pencil to fan, fan to pencil and back again. Every month. I then settled on Gardiner fans but on full. Had quite a few duff ones though.
Always on full. I use less water on fans because its quicker rinsing. Sometimes its harder moving bits though.
Tried a set of brass ones off flea bay and they were rubbish.
A thing to note. I rinse on the glass. If I rinsed on the glass, I think I would use pencil jets.
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I connect to these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Female-Swivel-Elbow-Push-Fit-Bsp-Threads-Swivel-Elbow-Metric-Push-in-Female-BSP-/131374402893?var=&hash=item1e96864d4d:m:mjAz9r0KMcTufZBjxHiITaQ
Darran
which size are they
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so really when all said and done there is no difinate answer which is a shame has I have never used fan jets
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so really when all said and done there is no difinate answer which is a shame has I have never used fan jets
Everyone works different.
Get some and try them.
I like them because I work fast and it rinses quicker on full. It can be controlled better when working close to the glass
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so the pump has to be on full I will get some and see if I can get use to them any imparticular ones.
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I've tried both on domestics many times and I always end up with pencil jets. More control less chance of mistakes. Fan jets do make a nice whooshing noise though.
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so the pump has to be on full I will get some and see if I can get use to them any imparticular ones.
No, but that's how I like it. My pump can be lazy at times though
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the whole thing is personal preference, and sometimes its down to habbits ( good or bad ) when trying something different what works on pencils wont when using fans (ie getting water everywhere) but with a different technique you will never get water off the glass and be rincing quicker.
i personally can not get on with swivel heads im happy to twist the brush/pole to an angle and reach a corner with brush vertical rather than horizontal this does not make it a bad thing just not for me
threads are 1/8 bsp
Darran
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the whole thing is personal preference, and sometimes its down to habbits ( good or bad ) when trying something different what works on pencils wont when using fans (ie getting water everywhere) but with a different technique you will never get water off the glass and be rincing quicker.
i personally can not get on with swivel heads im happy to twist the brush/pole to an angle and reach a corner with brush vertical rather than horizontal this does not make it a bad thing just not for me
threads are 1/8 bsp
Darran
I cant get on with swivel heads. I have it fitted to my large pole. Very handy at times, but always trying to get it straight.
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Over time sometimes things change as well. I remember the first time a friend gave me a swivel to try I really did not like it. Then after 7 years of working without one I heard someone raving about how good they were and thought I'd give them another go and immediately liked it. Wouldn't want to work without it now. Same thing happened with fanjets. Though I don't like the ones that virtually vaporise the water. I want all the water on the glass not flying away in the breeze. Gardiner's work well for me even at 40% flow rate. I would agree, it's very much is a matter of personal preference.
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I like pencils for windows and fans for gutters and soffits. Personally, I find the fan jet noise annoying, I like a bit of peace and quiet when i'm working.