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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jonny 87 on October 02, 2015, 10:54:29 pm
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The uni-valve.......
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443822528_image.jpeg)
Rumour has it that this is the new version of Aqua-dapter. Weighing less than 10 grams and fits inline (inside the pole) operated by the same tug of the hose.
Quite excited by this if I'm honest.
No more added length to top of the pole. Or more importantly for me, no more added weight at the top of the pole.
looking forward to hearing more details.
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Cant wait. Always like Steves products..
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A good find that Jonny .
I heard that it was going to be within the pole .
This basically means his widening his market .
Every pole is available to this .
To me the Aqua-Adaptor is the best invention in Wfp , but does have it's negatives with weights and connections .
But this will be awesome , looks like it should be cheaper .
Awesome
Due date ??
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Bang it into your Xtreames
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Just hope he has also improved the admin side of the business.
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Just hope he has also improved the admin side of the business.
and the springs.......... ::)roll
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Just hope he has also improved the admin side of the business.
and the springs.......... ::)roll
No springs in the uni valve!
That's a big plus too.
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Looks an interesting item
Hope it's on sale soon
Darran
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looks good ill buy one to try as my aquadapter is now leaking again ::)roll
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Looks very good & totally redesigned, i would definitely be interested in getting one.
Lal
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Ive always found Steve helpful , and he admits himself his admin isn't the best .
Hope this is as good as the aqua-adaptor and could be awesome .
Pleased for him
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I always thought the aquadapter had flaws and was not suitable especially for taller wfp work being stuck on the end of a pole.
Glad that steve is going in another direction now as a simple on/off gizmo at the bottom of the pole makes a lot more sense to me.
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Agreed, it needs to be better than the aquadaptor, too many fragile moving parts.
Darran
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probs about 50 bangers.
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Looks good
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Where did u get the info ?
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Looks good
;D
Where did u get the info ?
Bookfarce is good for some things occasionally.
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I also noticed a vid that shows moerman are bringing out a new trad tool called the combinator ;D
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When this be out
November ?
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Just hope he has also improved the admin side of the business.
hes already failed this by discontinuing the aquadapter ,
, I would of stocked both this way opening up the market to everybody , if your an old aquadapter fan and cant get on with the new one you cant get them anymore that's foolish
its like gardners stopping the clx because they invent a better pole called the slx it just wouldn't happen , stevs a great guy but I think he doesn't thinkt befoure he jumps in shame
he should never of had a cap in the market for so long on the change over , hes already losing custmers
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Steve will have reasons for a new version and stopping the old version .
Reasons only he probably knows .
Msybe just try the new product
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I always thought the aquadapter had flaws and was not suitable especially for taller wfp work being stuck on the end of a pole.
Glad that steve is going in another direction now as a simple on/off gizmo at the bottom of the pole makes a lot more sense to me.
I don't think it will be an on and off gizmo at the bottom of the pole as this would have no benefit over a tap, I would say it will still be something that goes on top or at least in the top section.
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Steve will have reasons for a new version and stopping the old version .
Reasons only he probably knows .
Msybe just try the new product
It more than likely to do with production costs, he would still have to buy the parts for the old adaptor in bulk so could
end up with a lot parts that are no longer needed and a lot of wasted cash.
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Just hope he has also improved the admin side of the business.
hes already failed this by discontinuing the aquadapter ,
, I would of stocked both this way opening up the market to everybody , if your an old aquadapter fan and cant get on with the new one you cant get them anymore that's foolish
its like gardners stopping the clx because they invent a better pole called the slx it just wouldn't happen , stevs a great guy but I think he doesn't thinkt befoure he jumps in shame
he should never of had a cap in the market for so long on the change over , hes already losing custmers
Production costs he more than likely buys his parts in bulk so could end up with a lot of wasted parts and cash, the secrete
is to get the new model out as quickly as possible after the old one runs out, this can be hard to achieve if your a smallish
business.
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It would be very foolish to have an older and what you would consider and less effective product still running with a new
version, I still prefer Gardiners old clamps as I'm sure a few others do but it wouldn't be cost effective for him to offer both
options for the small amount of people who might think this way.
Obviously Steve believes that the new version will end demand for the old.
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It would be very foolish to have an older and what you would consider and less effective product still running with a new
version, I still prefer Gardiners old clamps as I'm sure a few others do but it wouldn't be cost effective for him to offer both
options for the small amount of people who might think this way.
Obviously Steve believes that the new version will end demand for the old.
so what your saying that garners should drop the clx now they have the xtreme range ?? maybe ford should drop the base model vans because you can get a trend model ?? what about washing up power should we get rid of that because you can now buy little tablets that do the same ??
see where I am going with this true to form all good companys keep as much range as possible because theres always a market for old stock that people wont change from hes had all the out lay from the old a.d. now so its just a case of keeping stuff on the shelf
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Think you will find the uni valve or whatever it's going to be called will fit inside the top section of the pole.
Sorry, but there is no correlation to gardiners dropping the clx ( budget range ) to having an slx ( premium range ) they run side by side
This is a replacement to a great idea ( although not the best on the market ) so the old version is discontinued, just like ford, perhaps they should still be selling cortinas as well as mondeos ??
Darran
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Uni-valve benefits:
1) Fit any pole (also use with pole hose on outside)
2) Lighter 10 -15 Grm total weight.
3) Does not increase length of collapsed pole
4) Springs do not break
5) Never get damaged
6) Compatible with any Gardiner pole includes (xtreme, and ok to use goosenecks)
Has Alex Gardiner recommends not using previous aqua-dapters with the xtreme range.
7) No extra add on's to use with various fittings
8) Cheaper
Steven.
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Uni-valve benefits:
1) Fit any pole (also use with pole hose on outside)
2) Lighter 10 -15 Grm total weight.
3) Does not increase length of collapsed pole
4) Springs do not break
5) Never get damaged
6) Compatible with any Gardiner pole includes (xtreme, and ok to use goosenecks)
Has Alex Gardiner recommends not using previous aqua-dapters with the xtreme range.
7) No extra add on's to use with various fittings
8) Cheaper
Steven.
When can we have one? In Twelve years of wfp this is the only water cut off device that I would ever consider having. ;)
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Uni-valve benefits:
1) Fit any pole (also use with pole hose on outside)
2) Lighter 10 -15 Grm total weight.
3) Does not increase length of collapsed pole
4) Springs do not break
5) Never get damaged
6) Compatible with any Gardiner pole includes (xtreme, and ok to use goosenecks)
Has Alex Gardiner recommends not using previous aqua-dapters with the xtreme range.
7) No extra add on's to use with various fittings
8) Cheaper
Steven.
I will happily trial and review one steven ;)
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Uni-valve benefits:
1) Fit any pole (also use with pole hose on outside)
2) Lighter 10 -15 Grm total weight.
3) Does not increase length of collapsed pole
4) Springs do not break
5) Never get damaged
6) Compatible with any Gardiner pole includes (xtreme, and ok to use goosenecks)
Has Alex Gardiner recommends not using previous aqua-dapters with the xtreme range.
7) No extra add on's to use with various fittings
8) Cheaper
Steven.
Wishing you every success with this Steven, you could be onto a winner here, but just as important as the product is the admin side, hopefully this has been addressed. When will they be available to buy?
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Uni-valve benefits:
1) Fit any pole (also use with pole hose on outside)
2) Lighter 10 -15 Grm total weight.
3) Does not increase length of collapsed pole
4) Springs do not break
5) Never get damaged
6) Compatible with any Gardiner pole includes (xtreme, and ok to use goosenecks)
Has Alex Gardiner recommends not using previous aqua-dapters with the xtreme range.
7) No extra add on's to use with various fittings
8) Cheaper
Steven.
Sounds good. Well done Steven. I applaud you!
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Put me down for two... They sound dare I say... perfect?
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When will they be available to buy?
I guess this is everyone's next question ;D
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Uni-valve benefits:
1) Fit any pole (also use with pole hose on outside)
2) Lighter 10 -15 Grm total weight.
3) Does not increase length of collapsed pole
4) Springs do not break
5) Never get damaged
6) Compatible with any Gardiner pole includes (xtreme, and ok to use goosenecks)
Has Alex Gardiner recommends not using previous aqua-dapters with the xtreme range.
7) No extra add on's to use with various fittings
8) Cheaper
Steven.
Wishing you every success with this Steven, you could be onto a winner here, but just as important as the product is the admin side, hopefully this has been addressed. When will they be available to buy?
Yes got the admin side in touch just lately.
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Good luck Steve. Love my aquadaptors got 3 so looking fallward to your next thing👍🏻
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Hi Steve. How are these operated.
They sound like they will be excellent.
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Hi Lee,
Basically the same has the old aqua-dapter but without issues. (Breaking springs, extra weight, length etc.)
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Hi Lee,
Basically the same has the old aqua-dapter but without issues. (Breaking springs, extra weight, length etc.)
Sounds great.
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Steve , i am still waiting for mine ...... as per my emails sent months ago with no reply !!!
Ed
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Steve , i am still waiting for mine ...... as per my emails sent months ago with no reply !!!
Ed
What a uni valve ???
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Sounds awesome
I will buy 2 asap .
How long Steve till there on sale
To me the aqua-adaptor is awesome . Best invention ..
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Funny how things change,
When they first came to the market this forum had almost nothing but negative posts for the aquadaptor, just a couple of us, who went out and brought them were here to show you the light !
- somethings never change do they kempy ;D
Darran
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I've always loved the Aqua - adaptor .
Got 3 on 3 poles atm .
The 4th pole AD broke last month so I have a tap on that atm and it's awful .
Always loved the AD , ive had broken ones and dpeongs gone but they usually last ages . Quality .
Too many go too deep .
If you like the idea them just buy it , if not why be so negative .
Not every product appeals .
These new AD should appeal to the Extreame pole owners ????
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If nothing can go wrong with them then expect a high price for them, the reason I didn't splash out on a new aqua dapter when I got my slx with goose neck was because it was gonna cost about a hundred pounds to put one on
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If nothing can go wrong with them then expect a high price for them, the reason I didn't splash out on a new aqua dapter when I got my slx with goose neck was because it was gonna cost about a hundred pounds to put one on
How do you figure that ?
Darran
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Nothing to go wrong that means once sold you shouldn't need a replacement which means less sales for the guy so he has to keep price high to cover for not selling any replacement parts. As I said it was gonna cost me around a hundred pounds for one to attach to my goose neck your not gonna get one for about forty quid the guys not gonna be able to keep in business. If prices are low. He might sell loads first six months but after that sales will probably slow down
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Very true , getting the add ons was hardwork , adapting poles etc
Loved the Aqua adaptor .
Be awesone
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But to be honest I wouldn't mind trying one but depends on price
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If nothing can go wrong with them then expect a high price for them, the reason I didn't splash out on a new aqua dapter when I got my slx with goose neck was because it was gonna cost about a hundred pounds to put one on
Steve has already said it will be cheaper.
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Three pages of this subject and no mention off a release date or price
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I have had one before and sent it back the next day and although this new gadget might be much better I can't get to grips why people don't just pinch the hose,if not just carry a bit more water I spend my time cleaning windows i don't know about you lol
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Steve , i am still waiting for mine ...... as per my emails sent months ago with no reply !!!
Ed
What a uni valve ???
Darren ,
No i"m still waiting from last year... paid for never received . Steve has selective reading syndrome when it comes to customer backup and support. Customer service is terrible which is a shame because i like the product
Ed
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Have they been tested/are they compatible for use with hot water?
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The other slightly annoying thing is it's not advertised on the web sight as coming soon. If that was my product I would have it advertised like gardiners do when they are getting new products in
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The other slightly annoying thing is it's not advertised on the web sight as coming soon. If that was my product I would have it advertised like gardiners do when they are getting new products in
Did Gardiners advertise they were modifying their pole clamps? No, they waited until the previous version was sold out and started supplying them 'naturally' before most of us knew there was a modification. They have also done this with their poles before. They have sold off their old stock before introducing new versions. In fact someone recently suggested that there must be an upgrade on one of their lines as they had a special on them at the time.
Grapevine advertising has proved to be very successful with suppliers including Gardiners. So someone knew there was a replacement unit coming with a schematic of what it looks like and where it will fit. Someone has inside info. I'm not saying its Jonny 87 though - Rumour has it that this is the new version of Aqua-dapter. ;) So is this another example of grapevine advertising?
Funny, we were asked to do some user testing on the Aquadapter in its early development, but we were sworn to secrecy.
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Steves products are ace. Love AD and his pole. Only thing I cant understand, is stopping selling AD before new product Is out. Odd
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If customers buy the old aqua-dapter a week before the new one is released, this would be irritating to the customer.
On the other side of the coin, if customers are aware of the new model, i would be left with stock.
If all is well the new model will be around 6 weeks before release.
Steve.
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Funny, we were asked to do some user testing on the Aquadapter in its early development, but we were sworn to secrecy.
Ditto
Darran
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Nice one , 6 weeks away then .
Soon be Xmas
Lol
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Funny, we were asked to do some user testing on the Aquadapter in its early development, but we were sworn to secrecy.
Ditto
Darran
:)
We also had to pay for it, albeit at a discounted price.
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If customers buy the old aqua-dapter a week before the new one is released, this would be irritating to the customer.
On the other side of the coin, if customers are aware of the new model, i would be left with stock.
If all is well the new model will be around 6 weeks before release.
Steve.
& the price will be £-- --p
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If customers buy the old aqua-dapter a week before the new one is released, this would be irritating to the customer.
On the other side of the coin, if customers are aware of the new model, i would be left with stock.
If all is well the new model will be around 6 weeks before release.
Steve.
& the price will be £-- --p
Steve just flog yer old stock on fleebay as anybody buy's anything on their ;D
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Mind you Steve it don't look like you have any new stock anyways
http://aqua-dapter.co.uk/product-category/aqua-dapter-products/
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Mind you Steve it don't look like you have any new stock anyways
http://aqua-dapter.co.uk/product-category/aqua-dapter-products/
He hasn't had any for weeks :)
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I got mine for free ;D
Darran
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I got mine for free ;D
Darran
:'(
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The price is going to be £29.99. If it works as well as the Aqua dapter and is more reliable them it's going to be excellent.
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The price is going to be £29.99. If it works as well as the Aqua dapter and is more reliable them it's going to be excellent.
Lee, you're a windup merchant. ;D
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The price is going to be £29.99. If it works as well as the Aqua dapter and is more reliable them it's going to be excellent.
Lee, you're a windup merchant. ;D
???
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Is their a video out there yet as to what it looks like how it works differently than a aquadapter
Oliver Collins
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Be 6 weeks Steve said
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Does anyone know if the uni-valve has been tested by window cleaners yet if so what the feedback ???
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Does anyone know if the uni-valve has been tested by window cleaners yet if so what the feedback ???
:)
Patience; patience.
When Peter Fogwill eventually got his Aquatap to market it was months after the expected date.
6 weeks sounds good - gives a bit of breathing space to the manufacturer without upsetting user expectations too much. 'The donkey can still see the carrot' syndrome.
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This is a test on a prototype, going through simulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc3gdWy5tjA&sns=fb
500 RPM for 1hr = 30,000 operations.
The unit got hot due to friction, but still worked perfect.
The results were no leaks at all in the valve, leaks are detected by putting high compressed air through the valve, and placing it under water, no bubbles.
Steven.
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This is a test on a prototype, going through simulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc3gdWy5tjA&sns=fb
500 RPM for 1hr = 30,000 operations.
The unit got hot due to friction, but still worked perfect.
The results were no leaks at all in the valve, leaks are detected by putting high compressed air through the valve, and placing it under water, no bubbles.
Steven.
Thanks for posting the vid Steve... looking good.
Can you kindly explain to us how this is fitted/where to a wfp pole and what will be the cost to buy them.
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Heres the cost.
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/shop/uni-valve/uni-valve/
Be doing a fitting vid soon.
Steven.
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I like the look of that Steven, 30,000 tugs should see me out til retirement ;D
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when will Steve have the uni valve in stock
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Awesome .
Be great this
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Can't wait for this....I do love my gadgets ;D
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ill ave one of these when they come out my aquadapters r geting tired ;D this looks mint i gota say
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Hopefully it will fit inside no.1 section of a gardiners pole, if that's the case Steve has done well, I wanted to fit a small inline filter in mine to protect the jets but nothing would fit that had the correct size barbs.
Defo put me down for one, as above I like my toys 😛😛😛😜
Darran
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Hopefully it will fit inside no.1 section of a gardiners pole, if that's the case Steve has done well, I wanted to fit a small inline filter in mine to protect the jets but nothing would fit that had the correct size barbs.
Defo put me down for one, as above I like my toys 😛😛😛😜
Darran
I was wondering the same thing Darran, but look at the size of the "o clip" or "ear clip" (whatever it's called ) that is holding the blue hose onto the barb.
The uni-valve looks just a little bit bigger. Should easily fit inside a no1 section.
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Hes done a cracking job
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Only potential problem I see is by pulling the hose you could disconnect it from the brush head.(unless Steve has thought of this already) but then again if the mechanism is quite loose and easy to work, then a push fit at the brush head should be able to with stand the tug.
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From the video, there's no external movement, so in theory you could bond in a step washer or collar that stops the valve body moving backwards therefore no strain on the hose/connections on the brush side
Darran
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Looks awesome .
Won't it need to be secured within the pole .
Not fussed about the ins n outs , I will just enjoy using it
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can i pre order 100 please.
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Hopefully it will fit inside no.1 section of a gardiners pole, if that's the case Steve has done well, I wanted to fit a small inline filter in mine to protect the jets but nothing would fit that had the correct size barbs.
Defo put me down for one, as above I like my toys 😛😛😛😜
Darran
Darran,
Yes its designed to fit in the top section.
A gardiner pole is 19mm inside dia, and univalve is 17mm outside dia.
Anywhere in the top section, top or bottom.
But it can be outside the pole also.
No more damage to the valve, and definitely no broken springs.
The uni-valve is around 3in long x 17mm wide, and weighs around 10 to 12 grms.
Steven
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Hopefully it will fit inside no.1 section of a gardiners pole, if that's the case Steve has done well, I wanted to fit a small inline filter in mine to protect the jets but nothing would fit that had the correct size barbs.
Defo put me down for one, as above I like my toys 😛😛😛😜
Darran
Darran,
Yes its designed to fit in the top section.
A gardiner pole is 19mm inside dia, and univalve is 17mm outside dia.
Anywhere in the top section, top or bottom.
But it can be outside the pole also.
No more damage to the valve, and definitely no broken springs.
The uni-valve is around 3in long x 17mm wide, and weighs around 10 to 12 grms.
Steven
When can you get a video to show us Steven?
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Only potential problem I see is by pulling the hose you could disconnect it from the brush head.(unless Steve has thought of this already) but then again if the mechanism is quite loose and easy to work, then a push fit at the brush head should be able to with stand the tug.
[/quote Hi Jonny, all you need to do is crimp a o-ring above the hose outlet, on your pole, this works a treat.
Hopefully i can get all to convert to tubeless with valve incorporated, This video shows how to convert a pole to tubeless, and in the video, notice the mention of the hose stay (video is boring mind), be warned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ZJZ7lFdv8
Steven
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The first mouldings will be off the tool in around 5 weeks, so if all well about 1 week after that.
Steven.
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The first mouldings will be off the tool in around 5 weeks, so if all well about 1 week after that.
Steven.
Steven have you pre booked your island in the Caribbean yet?
I think if the uni-valve is as good as it looks then you will be able to buy one in a few months. ;)
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is there any parts that can were out ? will there b spairs? or will it b a throw away item? ie if or when it brakes chuck away and buy new sort of thing :)
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Yes, it will be a throw away item, 12 month guarantee mind.
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sounds good steve for the price cant go rong , does it still have that baynit fitting that leaks after a wile or have u moved away from that?
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No bayonet, just push hose on both end, and crimp inplace, job done.
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Be great this
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Sounds very good. Wish you every success.
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Think I'm gonna buy one of these too - please make plenty so your not out of stock after the first 40 customers :)
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I use Gardiner angle adapter as
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/plastic-gooseneck-system/quick-loq-resi-neck-type1-swivel.html
This has a predrilled hole for the pole hose to exit inline with the pole length.
I notice in your video that you drill a hole in the top of your adapter which you then fit a hose stay to. This creates a right angle in the pole hose which stops it pulling out when you release the valve at the bottom of the pole.
Would I need to drill a new hole in the Gardiner fitting or can it work with the existing hole and your hose stay?
Hope I've explained that well enough to understand.
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I love my aquadaptors. So looking forward to trying one of those.good luck Steve 👍🏻
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How will the univalve work in conjuction with the tubeless system Steven?
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I use Gardiner angle adapter as
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/plastic-gooseneck-system/quick-loq-resi-neck-type1-swivel.html
This has a predrilled hole for the pole hose to exit inline with the pole length.
I notice in your video that you drill a hole in the top of your adapter which you then fit a hose stay to. This creates a right angle in the pole hose which stops it pulling out when you release the valve at the bottom of the pole.
Would I need to drill a new hole in the Gardiner fitting or can it work with the existing hole and your hose stay?
Hope I've explained that well enough to understand.
If you crimp a o-ring in place, this is sufficient, to hold the hose in place.
Steven.
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No bayonet, just push hose on both end, and crimp inplace, job done.
sounds good steve ill ave 2 when u get them in stock cant wate
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ARE YOU TAKING PRE ORDERS.?
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ARE YOU TAKING PRE ORDERS.?
Hi Wfp,
No as there will be plenty of stock.
Steven
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How long till lift-off Steve???
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How long till lift-off Steve???
Already answered on this thread
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Hi Steve,when they come out can I come and pick some up and will you fit them.
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How long till lift-off Steve???
read the thread.
Already answered on this thread
;D
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Hi Steve,when they come out can I come and pick some up and will you fit them.
+1
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are they suitable for warm water?
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are they suitable for warm water?
Yes, they are fine to use hot water.
Steven.
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This is a statement on Gardiner website "We do not recommend the use of an Aquadapter or similar devices on Xtreme Poles - select our pole flow valve option if required" just to let all know that this statement does not apply to uni-valve.
Steven.
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This is a statement on Gardiner website "We do not recommend the use of an Aquadapter or similar devices on Xtreme Poles - select our pole flow valve option if required" just to let all know that this statement does not apply to uni-valve.
Steven.
........... or until Alex says differently. ;D
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I can understand why Alex doesn't like the Aquadapter or the Aquatap. At height our A/D does add quite a weight to the end of the pole. So all the work Alex is doing with regard to brush weights is being undone by us adding extra weight with another accessory.
My SIL's SLX22 was so much lighter when he removed his A/D when the lever arm spring broke. But his tap contraption he put together on his base pole was the pits.
I'm looking forward to this new Univalve.
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Any release date yet Steven?
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https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11221279_1048404991859821_8537192556974503556_n.jpg?oh=cdad74d0be73b28fc6bf65133a991926&oe=56C7EF98
This is one of my customers comments!
Hopefully not long now, 3 weeks i hope.
Steven..
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Thats a good one stevon 😊
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Thats a good one stevon 😊
+1 ;D
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This is a statement on Gardiner website "We do not recommend the use of an Aquadapter or similar devices on Xtreme Poles - select our pole flow valve option if required" just to let all know that this statement does not apply to uni-valve.
Steven.
........... or until Alex says differently. ;D
until he gets loads of new poles back , we all know how alex likes to blame everything else instead of him self
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This is a statement on Gardiner website "We do not recommend the use of an Aquadapter or similar devices on Xtreme Poles - select our pole flow valve option if required" just to let all know that this statement does not apply to uni-valve.
Steven.
........... or until Alex says differently. ;D
until he gets loads of new poles back , we all know how alex likes to blame everything else instead of him self
It was a joke Susan. :)