Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: keyser soze on September 27, 2015, 09:38:15 pm
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not sure what to expect. tbh
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Clean, sparkling Windows ...
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ill be able to tell when i go back to clean the insides later in the day
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Vision is all day mate, I just been doing some cladding with it tonight, ............. Nearly as good as virosol ;D
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I think the trick when using an additive like vision is to use a good high flow rate as the bubbles tend to trap in suspended dirt/gritty type particles otherwise can lead to the dreaded spotting/drip marks. I personally would not use it either say if using a backpack/trolley on a low flow rate.
I suppose the ideal solution on filthy glass & frames really is to scrub & wash with a boost/additive then rinse well with pure.
Now if someone came up with a small dispenser that could be used with vision 200-1 ratio at the wfp rather than in the van/trolley so to easily switch between vision & rinsing with pure then that might be a better solution.
Vision in my book is classed as one of those "marmite" products as you either love it or hate it ;D
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Hope you enjoy using Vision .
Takes a few days to adjust .
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I've been using it 2 weeks can't see what the fuss is about..
Can this effect my pumps pumping because they keep switching on and off since using it,I've calibrated the pumps but still cutting out >:(
Putting in 5 ml per 500 litres
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Been using vision for nearly a year now and I always overdose my tank but never had any problems with my pumps
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I've cleaned Windows for nearly 40 years and have used a variety of different methods. Leathers, scrims, blades and most recently as with many of us, wfp. During this time many customers have thanked me for my service. However, no customer that I can recall ever felt compelled to describe the finish left by my methods until I switched to wfp. Since then and without invitation from me, a number have used expressions like 'sparkle' 'shinier' 'extra clean' to describe the finish they see left by wfp. So I'm going to let my customers tell me what they think as regards the finish that Vision leaves. The jury is out on that one at the moment. I've only been using it at the recommended dilution for nearly two weeks as well, so it's early days yet.
I can't say I've noticed any significant change in the finish, but I have noticed a difference to the feel of my brush on the glass. It feels a little slicker somehow, though my brain tells me that something diluted in my water to that degree shouldn't be able to affect it noticeably.
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just an update on my first day using vision (if anyone interested) first thought was how quick and smooth the brush moved over the glass. which i liked the feel of , secondly the bubbles when cleaning needed a bit of time getting used to . i thought it'll be ok its meant to be like that. i kept thinking ok if this doesn't work i might have to come back tomorrow and redo these windows anyhow i just cracked on. enjoying how sparkly the windows and frames were coming up. so at this time of the day i had to go back to do some insides (shop work) and i was delighted with the results . the vision mob have come up with a good product whatever in it
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I honestly can't say that I have seen any noticeable difference to the finish on the frames at all. (Yet) The majority of mine are white upvc
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tbh its left me with a dilemma because my water is being produced at- 6 and i used a di vessel in the van to get it to zero . using vision i bypassed the resin bottle so i was using water at -6 and that worried me a little , not so much at this time of the year but in the summer when it gets hot it might need to be lower.
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wouldn't worry about tds of 6 . if your worried can you not run water through resin as you fill tank . Vision a very good product but you can make your own additive that's just as good and a lot cheaper .
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Pleasing to hear you liked it .
A lot of users have been delighted with it . Some users will obviously prefere to not use it . Each to their own really .
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Kempy there is nothing wrong with vision I loved using it was about to buy my 3rd bottle when you tweaked the prices that's why I stopped buying it
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Think it was only tweaked by a £1 .
Think it only works out at 30 p a day use .
If you live local im willing to meet up and that would save you £3:30 in postage .
Always happy to help
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Sorry but I am bit to far away thanks anyway
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Kempy there is nothing wrong with vision I loved using it was about to buy my 3rd bottle when you tweaked the prices that's why I stopped buying it
So are you saying that for the sake of One Pound you are prepared to devoid yourself/your business of a product that you found to be beneficial to it?
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No problem Paul
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wouldn't worry about tds of 6 . if your worried can you not run water through resin as you fill tank . Vision a very good product but you can make your own additive that's just as good and a lot cheaper .
What can you use thats just as good please i've never tried any of it yet ?
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GG4 is excellent
It's not just a pound, it's yet another pound, vision is excellent, and I liked using it, but when the price went up because it became popular I decided to follow Dave and use gg4 - that must have been 8 months ago and not had any problems.
Darran
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Kempy there is nothing wrong with vision I loved using it was about to buy my 3rd bottle when you tweaked the prices that's why I stopped buying it
So are you saying that for the sake of One Pound you are prepared to devoid yourself/your business of a product that you found to be beneficial to it?
No I looked at other ways . After using Vision I wouldn't go back to just pure that would be taking a step backwards .
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Ive used gg4 , thought it was poor . It's 90% water which probably explains how poor it was .
Expensive as well for 90% water
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Ive used gg4 , thought it was poor . It's 90% water which probably explains how poor it was .
Expensive as well for 90% water
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I've found like all so say trad soaps they are best applied directly to a wet scrub pad or wfp brush neat so to act as a good wfp boost
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I'm potentially doing a few samples.
Sent two out yesterday , just depends on postage charges
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Kempy there is nothing wrong with vision I loved using it was about to buy my 3rd bottle when you tweaked the prices that's why I stopped buying it
So are you saying that for the sake of One Pound you are prepared to devoid yourself/your business of a product that you found to be beneficial to it?
lol lucky his customers don't do the same
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when you consider the cost of hose fittings. i don't think its too bad 1 bottle lasts forever right ?
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Ive used gg4 , thought it was poor . It's 90% water which probably explains how poor it was .
Expensive as well for 90% water
Ooooohhhhhhhhh, very bitchy
Hardly a surprise you don't rate gg4 - just like mr fox implies Gardiner poles are rubbish ::)roll
Try to focus on a positive sales technique - works so much better ( HTH)
Darran
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Ive used gg4 , thought it was poor . It's 90% water which probably explains how poor it was .
Expensive as well for 90% water
Ooooohhhhhhhhh, very bitchy
Hardly a surprise you don't rate gg4 - just like mr fox implies Gardiner poles are rubbish ::)roll
Try to focus on a positive sales technique - works so much better ( HTH)
Darran
;D ;D ;D
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Hmmmmm, (sits back and strokes chin)
spotted this on Titans site:
"I see a lot of D’limonene based products on the market now. Why should I buy Oil Flo instead?
D’limonene is great at making the room smell like oranges and hiding the odor of strong solvents, but it is actually a cyclic turpene that can be caustic and harmful to skin. We’ve based our reputation on being safe to the user and adding a marketing gimmick to our products at the health risk of our users is just not how we do things. Besides, then we’d have to raise the price to cover the cost of the additive."
I'm sure I've smelt oranges somewhere ;D
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Kempy there is nothing wrong with vision I loved using it was about to buy my 3rd bottle when you tweaked the prices that's why I stopped buying it
So are you saying that for the sake of One Pound you are prepared to devoid yourself/your business of a product that you found to be beneficial to it?
lol lucky his customers don't do the same
why most would be happy to pay a bit more price going up this year
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The price rise of a £1 was due to using a better lid , providing a spoon and improving the packaging .
I'm sure we've all put our window cleaning customers up by a £1 .
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The price rise of a £1 was due to using a better lid , providing a spoon and improving the packaging .
I'm sure we've all put our window cleaning customers up by a £1 .
DO WHAT!! I wish :)
Love vision. Only fault I find is mixing. Sometimes its like pure water only, next second bubbles. Odd
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That's because you're mixing an oil with water - probably floats to the top a little so that your bubbles increase towards the end of the day and maybe the strength increases towards the end of the week?
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So how do you mix it properly so you get a good consistant ratio to pure at the wfp end?
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No idea ;D
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A floating delivery hose that sits on the water or a vision stirring stick to keep mixing it all day ;D
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Hmmmmm, (sits back and strokes chin)
spotted this on Titans site:
"I see a lot of D’limonene based products on the market now. Why should I buy Oil Flo instead?
D’limonene is great at making the room smell like oranges and hiding the odor of strong solvents, but it is actually a cyclic turpene that can be caustic and harmful to skin. We’ve based our reputation on being safe to the user and adding a marketing gimmick to our products at the health risk of our users is just not how we do things. Besides, then we’d have to raise the price to cover the cost of the additive."
I'm sure I've smelt oranges somewhere ;D
dave,the citrus smell is one i chose because it was a relaxing smell/odour,i could have chosen fresh linen,freshly cut grass summer days tutti fruiti the list can go on with perfumes but citrus appealed to me-simple as that.
yes d-limonene has some merits,although from past experience it is troublesome to work with and not worth the hassle considering what you need to add to make it blend with h20,i doubt this clarifies things as if i am honest you seem hell bent on finding out the ingredients of vision for what end i don't know why?,
there is only three people who know the ingredients to vision,i just find it hard to fathom why you want to make it your mission to find out?,let it go mate,live and enjoy life dave,theres much more to enjoy than spending your time trying to fathom all this out
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Hell bent? You numbskull - D-Limonene is what's printed on the specs sheet - hardly a Sherlock Holmes moment.
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I would have thought it very reasonable to know what's in a product we are using, what if your allergic to an ingredient ? What if you it causes a skin disorder, or a customer gets a face full of vision enhanced pure water and blinds them...
I very much doubt Dave is trying to find out so he can make his own, your patents should cover that 👍
Dave I think like me, try's to keep some on here "honest" esp. Those who wish to blow their trumpets on here and want to sell products or services yet when asked a question get all huffy puffy and indignant.
I'm not knocking vision, I've used it, and liked it, with 5 vans on the go I'd use lots of it. But I didn't like the very quick price hike, now use gg4
Darran
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Hell bent? You numbskull - D-Limonene is what's printed on the specs sheet - hardly a Sherlock Holmes moment.
;D ;D
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https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0804/9479/files/Vision_8f2d7946-5cf1-40d0-93e5-2a6e47971960.pdf?7431067076967392557
Looks like some of it is water - expensive water too eh Kempy?
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I would have thought it very reasonable to know what's in a product we are using, what if your allergic to an ingredient ? What if you it causes a skin disorder, or a customer gets a face full of vision enhanced pure water and blinds them...
I very much doubt Dave is trying to find out so he can make his own, your patents should cover that
Dave I think like me, try's to keep some on here "honest" esp. Those who wish to blow their trumpets on here and want to sell products or services yet when asked a question get all huffy puffy and indignant.
I'm not knocking vision, I've used it, and liked it, with 5 vans on the go I'd use lots of it. But I didn't like the very quick price hike, now use gg4
Darran
With 5 vans on the road I'm sure you can afford vision smudger as is not going to put a big dent in your consumables budget with your turnover surely ;D
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My product isn't like GG4 Dave Willis , where that main ingrediant is water .
Vision contains minimal water 5% to be honest .
The Australian version of Vision is different to the UK version . The main ingrediant of vision (50%)can't even be supplied or sourced for the Australian market . So I wouldn't read too much into the Australian MSDS .
Ive explained the price rise , either way I get remarks .
It's best I don't say anymore really as whatever I say can get twisted .
It's good I suppose you educate yourself on stuff etc . Gets a little bit ott on what your wanting to achieve or say .
Think several months a go persons were stating I was re-bottling a product . It's very hard to be composed and not react . It's best I just read and post on other subjects and let yourself carry on .
But vision is no way near expensive water , please don't write that as its just wide of the mark .
Ive been asked to advertise on here , the moderators have been very supportive and pleased for me if I do advertise on here . But I think it's pointless really as too much gets scrutinised .
I have no problem , your a educated poster Dave , but pointless just guessing and talking about it .
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Think someone on here likened vision to marmite . Possibly a good comparison .
That's why I just let persons try it for themselves and it's up to them if they want to buy or not again .
Recently on facebook a moderate amount of samples have been requested and ive supplied them and had a good response .
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............... and I'm the Pope ;D
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My product isn't like GG4 Dave Willis , where that main ingrediant is water .
Vision contains minimal water 5% to be honest .
The Australian version of Vision is different to the UK version . The main ingrediant of vision (50%)can't even be supplied or sourced for the Australian market . So I wouldn't read too much into the Australian MSDS .
Ive explained the price rise , either way I get remarks .
It's best I don't say anymore really as whatever I say can get twisted .
It's good I suppose you educate yourself on stuff etc . Gets a little bit ott on what your wanting to achieve or say .
Think several months a go persons were stating I was re-bottling a product . It's very hard to be composed and not react . It's best I just read and post on other subjects and let yourself carry on .
But vision is no way near expensive water , please don't write that as its just wide of the mark .
Ive been asked to advertise on here , the moderators have been very supportive and pleased for me if I do advertise on here . But I think it's pointless really as too much gets scrutinised .
I have no problem , your a educated poster Dave , but pointless just guessing and talking about it .
Why can main ingredient not be supplied to Australia is it a health and safety issue
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I would have thought it very reasonable to know what's in a product we are using, what if your allergic to an ingredient ? What if you it causes a skin disorder, or a customer gets a face full of vision enhanced pure water and blinds them...
I very much doubt Dave is trying to find out so he can make his own, your patents should cover that
Dave I think like me, try's to keep some on here "honest" esp. Those who wish to blow their trumpets on here and want to sell products or services yet when asked a question get all huffy puffy and indignant.
I'm not knocking vision, I've used it, and liked it, with 5 vans on the go I'd use lots of it. But I didn't like the very quick price hike, now use gg4
Darran
With 5 vans on the road I'm sure you can afford vision smudger as is not going to put a big dent in your consumables budget with your turnover surely ;D
Not about cost it's about value for money
1 ltr of gg4 £10
1 ltr of vision £60
Both get me the same results
I wouldn't use a garage selling diesel 5 times the cost of a competitor, same for vision I'm afraid, f I did I might not have 5 vans on the road ;D
Darran
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I would have thought it very reasonable to know what's in a product we are using, what if your allergic to an ingredient ? What if you it causes a skin disorder, or a customer gets a face full of vision enhanced pure water and blinds them...
I very much doubt Dave is trying to find out so he can make his own, your patents should cover that
Dave I think like me, try's to keep some on here "honest" esp. Those who wish to blow their trumpets on here and want to sell products or services yet when asked a question get all huffy puffy and indignant.
I'm not knocking vision, I've used it, and liked it, with 5 vans on the go I'd use lots of it. But I didn't like the very quick price hike, now use gg4
Darran
With 5 vans on the road I'm sure you can afford vision smudger as is not going to put a big dent in your consumables budget with your turnover surely ;D
Not about cost it's about value for money
1 ltr of gg4 £10
1 ltr of vision £60
Both get me the same results
I wouldn't use a garage selling diesel 5 times the cost of a competitor, same for vision I'm afraid, f I did I might not have 5 vans on the road ;D
Darran
But how long do they both last you as surely vision is a much higher concentrate than gg4?
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Why 'surely'?
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To be honest what ever I reply with gets shot down anyway .
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Gg4 is cheaper , it is 90% water .
Compare with vision and that's easily noticeable .
Which one Is best or best value for money then that is up to you the public .
Upto the customer to buy whichever or none at all .
Think I'll leave vision posts from now on .
It's best that way .
A the best guys , product variety is good .
I'll post on other stuff .
Very boring now , this £1 increase etc and blah blah . But been a good debate
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GG4 might have a high water content but when both additives are added to our tanks guess what compound is in the majority.
From what I've read and experienced Vision doesn't seem to mix well. Coming out intermittently.
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Both are dosed the same,
Kempy - you really need to stop being prickly about all of this, it's an open forum, when tesco's put a penny on a can of beans you'll get a percentage moan and gray or go to asda - in the past a member of this forum started flogging a miracle cleaner, turned out to be diluted g101 - bearing that in mind perhaps you should give those that ask questions some answers instead of blustering, as a representative/sales person you need to be more pro active with your responses
Have you done any trials comparing gg4 and vision ?
If not, why not - c'mon give us some facts figures comparing results with using vision/gg4/pure water alone
darran
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My product isn't like GG4 Dave Willis , where that main ingrediant is water .
Vision contains minimal water 5% to be honest .
The Australian version of Vision is different to the UK version . The main ingrediant of vision (50%)can't even be supplied or sourced for the Australian market . So I wouldn't read too much into the Australian MSDS .
Ive explained the price rise , either way I get remarks .
It's best I don't say anymore really as whatever I say can get twisted .
It's good I suppose you educate yourself on stuff etc . Gets a little bit ott on what your wanting to achieve or say .
Think several months a go persons were stating I was re-bottling a product . It's very hard to be composed and not react . It's best I just read and post on other subjects and let yourself carry on .
But vision is no way near expensive water , please don't write that as its just wide of the mark .
Ive been asked to advertise on here , the moderators have been very supportive and pleased for me if I do advertise on here . But I think it's pointless really as too much gets scrutinised .
I have no problem , your a educated poster Dave , but pointless just guessing and talking about it .
Would you like to tell everyone the circumstances of this Kempy?
You see, if we just read this post we might infer that "moderators" approached you to ask you to advertise. Whereas we might also infer that "moderators" approached you to ask you to advertise only because you keep promoting your product through your posts.
Clarity is all in the window cleaning business! ;D
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Kempy, you keep saying GG4 is 90% water. Just curious where you get that information from because I've never seen it anywhere. I don't imagine Titan labs would be impressed if you band that about without any firm backup. Especially if you're wrong.
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not bothered about the bickering , but had some feedback regarding my window cleaning . seems vision has been noticed by a few of my clients . iv'e had good feedback tbh.. on the downside the water sometimes isn't consistent. occasionally it feels just like pure .not a biggie though imho .i hope I'm the only one in my town to use it.
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Kempy, you keep saying GG4 is 90% water. Just curious where you get that information from because I've never seen it anywhere. I don't imagine Titan labs would be impressed if you band that about without any firm backup. Especially if you're wrong.
Have a look at this http://www.titanlabs.net/media/GG4-SDS.pdf
Ingredients:
Cas # | Percentage | Chemical Name
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N/A | 80-89% | Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated water in other words ;D
68439-46-3 | 10-15% | Alcohols, C9-11, ethoxylated
68130-47-2 | 1-5% | Poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl), .alpha.-hydro-.omega.-hydroxy-, mono-C8-10-
alkyl ethers, phosphates
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not bothered about the bickering , but had some feedback regarding my window cleaning . seems vision has been noticed by a few of my clients . iv'e had good feedback tbh.. on the downside the water sometimes isn't consistent. occasionally it feels just like pure .not a biggie though imho .i hope I'm the only one in my town to use it.
That's total bull and if you don't know that you should, I get comments on how pure cleans the windows better and adds shine by the odd customer, I agree and would be a fool not to even though I could get the same results with traditional methods.
Feed this nonsense to customers by all means but don't come on here and try to fool seasoned shiners.
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dihydrogen monoxide works well too ;D
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Wondered when you would pop up Sean ;D
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Wondered when you would pop up Sean ;D
I did resist for almost 4 pages so I think I'm starting to mellow. ;D
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Kempy, you keep saying GG4 is 90% water. Just curious where you get that information from because I've never seen it anywhere. I don't imagine Titan labs would be impressed if you band that about without any firm backup. Especially if you're wrong.
Have a look at this http://www.titanlabs.net/media/GG4-SDS.pdf
Ingredients:
Cas # | Percentage | Chemical Name
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N/A | 80-89% | Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated water in other words ;D
68439-46-3 | 10-15% | Alcohols, C9-11, ethoxylated
68130-47-2 | 1-5% | Poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl), .alpha.-hydro-.omega.-hydroxy-, mono-C8-10-
alkyl ethers, phosphates
I see, could be I suppose :) I'm no chemist.
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Kempy, you keep saying GG4 is 90% water. Just curious where you get that information from because I've never seen it anywhere. I don't imagine Titan labs would be impressed if you band that about without any firm backup. Especially if you're wrong.
Have a look at this http://www.titanlabs.net/media/GG4-SDS.pdf
Ingredients:
Cas # | Percentage | Chemical Name
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N/A | 80-89% | Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated water in other words ;D
68439-46-3 | 10-15% | Alcohols, C9-11, ethoxylated
68130-47-2 | 1-5% | Poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl), .alpha.-hydro-.omega.-hydroxy-, mono-C8-10-
alkyl ethers, phosphates
I see, could be I suppose :) I'm no chemist.
That's not what it means at all Dave put it this way Glass Gleam Glide is 100% non hazardous non regulated.
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Kempy, you keep saying GG4 is 90% water. Just curious where you get that information from because I've never seen it anywhere. I don't imagine Titan labs would be impressed if you band that about without any firm backup. Especially if you're wrong.
Have a look at this http://www.titanlabs.net/media/GG4-SDS.pdf
Ingredients:
Cas # | Percentage | Chemical Name
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N/A | 80-89% | Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated water in other words ;D
68439-46-3 | 10-15% | Alcohols, C9-11, ethoxylated
68130-47-2 | 1-5% | Poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl), .alpha.-hydro-.omega.-hydroxy-, mono-C8-10-
alkyl ethers, phosphates
I see, could be I suppose :) I'm no chemist.
Pure water being a manufactured product is a Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated substance.
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not bothered about the bickering , but had some feedback regarding my window cleaning . seems vision has been noticed by a few of my clients . iv'e had good feedback tbh.. on the downside the water sometimes isn't consistent. occasionally it feels just like pure .not a biggie though imho .i hope I'm the only one in my town to use it.
That's total bull and if you don't know that you should, I get comments on how pure cleans the windows better and adds shine by the odd customer, I agree and would be a fool not to even though I could get the same results with traditional methods.
Feed this nonsense to customers by all means but don't come on here and try to fool seasoned shiners.
geezer its my opinion . I'm just sharing and it works for me . I'm well impressed . don't tell me its bull.
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not bothered about the bickering , but had some feedback regarding my window cleaning . seems vision has been noticed by a few of my clients . iv'e had good feedback tbh.. on the downside the water sometimes isn't consistent. occasionally it feels just like pure .not a biggie though imho .i hope I'm the only one in my town to use it.
That's total bull and if you don't know that you should, I get comments on how pure cleans the windows better and adds shine by the odd customer, I agree and would be a fool not to even though I could get the same results with traditional methods.
Feed this nonsense to customers by all means but don't come on here and try to fool seasoned shiners.
geezer its my opinion . I'm just sharing and it works for me . I'm well impressed . don't tell me its bull.
Yes and in my opinion your talking bull but if that upsets you I will change it to your talking like somebody with very little
knowledge or understanding about the job they do.
Unfortunately its hard not to sound insulting when your dealing with people who don't know that a clean window is a clean
window and the only way to improve on that is to restore the frame if its lost some of its shine which none of these additives
will do as they are not upvc restorers nor do they leave a coating on the frame.
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I used it when I first started and whether it was a mental thing or what I don't know but it built my confidence a little until I realised I wanted to be the best without additives, so quit the vision and worked on my technique until it was right , still got 3 bottles in my garage, might stick them on eBay or in the for sale section
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On dirty glass, plastics etc cold pure don't work very well if you ask me. For example it doesn’t remove insect droppings, tree sap, sea salt, really baked on bird pop, algae/lichen etc very well if at all. That's why more wfp cleaners use some kind of chem boost, scrub pad/scraper, magic sponges and some even hot pure too.
People think using cold pure water is the miracle cleaner but it's far from it in my book ;D
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On dirty glass, plastics etc cold pure don't work very well if you ask me. For example it doesn’t remove insect droppings, tree sap, sea salt, really baked on bird pop, algae/lichen etc very well if at all. That's why more wfp cleaners use some kind of chem boost, scrub pad/scraper, magic sponges and some even hot pure too.
People think using cold pure water is the miracle cleaner but it's far from it in my book ;D
Yet you think by adding a microscopic amount of additive changes it into one, the majority of wfp cleaners still use nothing
more than pure alone because for all its faults it does what it needs to do.
All the things you have mentioned that are hard to remove can be removed very easily with a bit of knowledge and using the right technique.
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On dirty glass, plastics etc cold pure don't work very well if you ask me. For example it doesn’t remove insect droppings, tree sap, sea salt, really baked on bird pop, algae/lichen etc very well if at all. That's why more wfp cleaners use some kind of chem boost, scrub pad/scraper, magic sponges and some even hot pure too.
People think using cold pure water is the miracle cleaner but it's far from it in my book ;D
Yet you think by adding a microscopic amount of additive changes it into one, the majority of wfp cleaners still use nothing
more than pure alone because for all its faults it does what it needs to do.
All the things you have mentioned that are hard to remove can be removed very easily with a bit of knowledge and using the right technique.
I'm not talking about one product in particular so would you care to elaberate?
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On dirty glass, plastics etc cold pure don't work very well if you ask me. For example it doesn’t remove insect droppings, tree sap, sea salt, really baked on bird pop, algae/lichen etc very well if at all. That's why more wfp cleaners use some kind of chem boost, scrub pad/scraper, magic sponges and some even hot pure too.
People think using cold pure water is the miracle cleaner but it's far from it in my book ;D
Yet you think by adding a microscopic amount of additive changes it into one, the majority of wfp cleaners still use nothing
more than pure alone because for all its faults it does what it needs to do.
All the things you have mentioned that are hard to remove can be removed very easily with a bit of knowledge and using the right technique.
I'm not talking about one product in particular so would you care to elaberate?
All of them, your adding an amount the size of the point of a pin to a litre of water even the most concentrated chemical
diluted to those ratios will be rendered useless.
Your basically still using pure but paying the additive guys x amount a year for the privilege but then if it helps your confidence
which is one of the reasons why some find wfp hard to get on with then maybe its worth it.
But to come on here and say it restores the shine on sun damaged upvc does nothing but make the person sound foolish.
That last line wasn't directed at your good self.
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Kempy, you keep saying GG4 is 90% water. Just curious where you get that information from because I've never seen it anywhere. I don't imagine Titan labs would be impressed if you band that about without any firm backup. Especially if you're wrong.
Have a look at this http://www.titanlabs.net/media/GG4-SDS.pdf
Ingredients:
Cas # | Percentage | Chemical Name
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N/A | 80-89% | Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated water in other words ;D
68439-46-3 | 10-15% | Alcohols, C9-11, ethoxylated
68130-47-2 | 1-5% | Poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl), .alpha.-hydro-.omega.-hydroxy-, mono-C8-10-
alkyl ethers, phosphates
I see, could be I suppose :) I'm no chemist.
Pure water being a manufactured product is a Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated substance.
Indeed gg4 is 80-89% water ;D
Now can anyone tell me how much Proprietary, non-hazardous, non-regulated water is in vision as a comparision?
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5% water is in vision .
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5% water is in vision .
Is that pure or tap water kempy?
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5% water is in vision .
There's even more than 5% water in a bar of soap, just shows even the guys who invented it haven't a clue what its made up
from. ::)roll
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Are you for real SeanK .
The person asked the question and I have answered .
Hence whatever I say , you will always turn it into a critisism or a negative .
Utter nonsense .
What's the point .
I answered the question very quickly and concisely . On my kids life with the correct answer .
SeanK I'm not wanting arguments , tit for tat , but your response their just sums up the pathetic response from you .
Dear oh dear .
Not getting drawn into this now .
Best I leave you lot to talk amongst yourselfs .
lol
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Pure water
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That's my final post on vision now . Just going around in circles , unnessary criticism , comments .
Pointless , kids footy weekend , hobbies and family time
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So in layman terms vision is a hell of alot more concentrated cleaning product than say a 1ltr bottle of gg4?
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Are you for real SeanK .
The person asked the question and I have answered .
Hence whatever I say , you will always turn it into a critisism or a negative .
Utter nonsense .
What's the point .
I answered the question very quickly and concisely . On my kids life with the correct answer .
SeanK I'm not wanting arguments , tit for tat , but your response their just sums up the pathetic response from you .
Dear oh dear .
Not getting drawn into this now .
Best I leave you lot to talk amongst yourselfs .
lol
Its impossible for your product to be only 5% water even if your product was pure ethanol it would still contain 5% water
and that's before you add the rest of your ingredients so once again your facts are wrong.
So the fact that you believe your statement to be true just proves that you don't really know what your product truly
contains which is all I said.
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I think kempy should know what is in his own product seank .
You little windup merchant you ;D
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Just about Everything contains a percentage of water, soaps, chemicals, liquids
Yes it's a bit perdantic but that's the seank we know and love...
Darran
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Just about Everything contains a percentage of water, soaps, chemicals, liquids
Yes it's a bit perdantic but that's the seank we know and love...
Darran
Exactly Darran. ;D
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Just about Everything contains a percentage of water, soaps, chemicals, liquids
Yes it's a bit perdantic but that's the seank we know and love...
Darran
Exactly Darran. ;D
Some have alot more water content than others though ;D ;D ;D
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Did you know water is often called a solvent?
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So they say ;D
I'm not a chemist so have no idea what propriety non hazardous etc... is ???
But as an end user I get the same results with gg4 as with vision at the same dosage ( could it be that gg4 uses a superior grade of chemical and therefore has to be watered down to the vision standard of chemicals ??? )
Still we will never know as kempy refuses to partake anymore :'(
Darran
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Did you know water is often called a solvent?
RO/DI water used for window cleaning is nothing like ultra pure water you are probably thinking of.
Ultra pure water is classed as a solvent and is used for an example in manufacturing process to clean micro technology components amongst other uses.
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No, any water is termed as a solvent.
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Water is natures solvent. So they say. 'They' being them ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443898962_image.png)
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funny how he keeps side stepping the question on what in vision and what if you squirt a member of the public with it , the first thing a hospital would want to know is what was in it ? this is why prochem and the like have sheets with all the info on incase of anything happening it the law to have these available !!
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On dirty glass, plastics etc cold pure don't work very well if you ask me. For example it doesn’t remove insect droppings, tree sap, sea salt, really baked on bird pop, algae/lichen etc very well if at all. That's why more wfp cleaners use some kind of chem boost, scrub pad/scraper, magic sponges and some even hot pure too.
People think using cold pure water is the miracle cleaner but it's far from it in my book ;D
i agree . i ve noticed a difference using vision. and i only use vision because pure water alone doesn't cut it alone . next i'll try gg4 and see if that is better.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443898962_image.png)
When they talk about water being a universal solvent it has nothing to do with it's ability to remove grim from surfaces.
So if plan old water is that good as a solvent do you just wash your dirty car with cold water?
And yes I've tried even with cold 000 ppm pure water and I found it don't work very well on its own ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443898962_image.png)
When they talk about water being a universal solvent it has nothing to do with it's ability to remove grim from surfaces.
So if plan old water is that good as a solvent do you just wash your dirty car with cold water?
And yes I've tried even with cold 000 ppm pure water and I found it don't work very well on its own ;D
Shock, you will find quite a few on here do and are more than happy with the results, there have even been a few fallouts
on here when people disagreed with them.
But that was back in the day when pure water on its own worked, then it was even considered better than using traditional methods with :o the stuff we now need to put in our water in order for it to work.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443898962_image.png)
When they talk about water being a universal solvent it has nothing to do with it's ability to remove grim from surfaces.
So if plan old water is that good as a solvent do you just wash your dirty car with cold water?
And yes I've tried even with cold 000 ppm pure water and I found it don't work very well on its own ;D
Shock, you will find quite a few on here do and are more than happy with the results, there have even been a few fallouts
on here when people disagreed with them.
But that was back in the day when pure water on its own worked, then it was even considered better than using traditional methods with :o the stuff we now need to put in our water in order for it to work.
Yes you do if you want to do a better job. That is why chem boost are widely used now on filthy jobs where as just using cold pure don't cut it ;D
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So what your saying is I need to go traditional to do a better job, think about it using traditional methods I can use
higher doses in my pure which will improve its cleaning ability even further.
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Now yer talking as everyone knows trad method works best but ladders are now banned you know
Anyway I can't see the point as why go climing ladders when you can just wave yer magic stick about ;D
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And yes I've tried even with cold 000 ppm pure water and I found it don't work very well on its own ;D
Those tools are always getting the blame when they're owned by poor workmen.
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And yes I've tried even with cold 000 ppm pure water and I found it don't work very well on its own ;D
Those tools are always getting the blame when they're owned by poor workmen.
;D ;D ;D
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I always use plain old cold water from the outside tap to clean my car and BMW is always nice and shiny - no problems there. I take it you wash your car in warm pure water...with a dash of vision?! ;D
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I always use plain old cold water from the outside tap to clean my car and BMW is always nice and shiny - no problems there. I take it you wash your car in warm pure water...with a dash of vision?! ;D
I like my car 'detailing' and in my area the tap tds is 050. When I rinse the car down it is still shiny, but covered in light water spots. Until I dry it off and Aqua-wax it.
Or sometimes I just rinse it off with pure (which does have vision in) and the difference between a tap wash and a pure rinse is huge.
I take it you are in a very soft water area?
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Or he's got a white car.
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My tap tds is 69 , it's all in the technique- good rinsing , my BMW is black
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69 is pretty good - mine is closer to 300.
When my son pressure washes his car I practically have to scrape the limescale off my van from the overspray ::)roll
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I always plug my submersible pump in to rinse my car off after a quick wash. Dries up spotless 😉
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It would do lance but I bet you never use yer wfp and just pure water to wash the mud and road grim of it though ;D
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I want one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAN8_97Q6M
And the stemer is not bad either ;D
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I want one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAN8_97Q6M
And the stemer is not bad either ;D
complete con job, its even worse than using a steam mop for the floors at home.
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I want one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAN8_97Q6M
And the stemer is not bad either ;D
complete con job, its even worse than using a steam mop for the floors at home.
That's total b******s as I use steamers all the time and my home is spotless ;D
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This vid may interest you too ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE3urBo-GKA
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This vid may interest you too ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE3urBo-GKA
Ya it even steamed away the dent. Boliks is right.
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Does Shrek have a BMW?