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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: telfordwindowclnr on September 20, 2015, 11:51:37 am
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Hi Everyone.
We have a need for subcontractors to carry out solar panel cleaning on confirmed commercial rooftop arrays of at least 400 panels each, in the following areas:
Lake District: 2 sites
Newcastle Upon Tyne & Sunderland: 3 sites
Yorkshire: 7 sites
Manchester, Liverpool and Stockport: 10 sites
Lancashire: 3 sites
If you are interested, please let me know and we can send you through the requirements, prices and dates.
Unrelated to the above sites, we still need subcontractors in Essex, Berkshire, Bedfordshire, Norfolk & Suffolk and some areas in Scotland are still available too. We have all of Northern Ireland covered. We will have work in all of these areas within the next 6 months, both domestic & commercial.
Thanks in advance.
Steve.
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Do people have to pay to attend your course in how to clean a solar panel first Steve?
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Are you still only paying about 15p a panel ?
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It seems my threads get blocked on here if I mention the training. People keep asking me questions about it, which I try to answer and then I get accused of advertising. So I can't answer your question 8 weekly.
I've never said we pay as low as 15p per panel. Prices vary for all of the sites we clean, depending on their size. The Liverpool, Manchester and Lancashire work is about £6k.
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Iv emailed you Steve 👍
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Steve we spoke on the phone the other day. You were looking for someone to take on some work in RG24 postcode. How many panels did it involve, sorry I should've asked at the time. Thanks.
Matt
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Steve we spoke on the phone the other day. You were looking for someone to take on some work in RG24 postcode. How many panels did it involve, sorry I should've asked at the time. Thanks.
Matt
Hi Matt.
That was a residential array of 20 panels or less. I can't remember exactly. We pay a flat fee for residentials anyway, so the exact number of panels is a bit immaterial.
Are you wanting to do it for us?
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I would be interested in work around Suffolk and Norfolk area
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Steve we spoke on the phone the other day. You were looking for someone to take on some work in RG24 postcode. How many panels did it involve, sorry I should've asked at the time. Thanks.
Matt
Hi Matt.
That was a residential array of 20 panels or less. I can't remember exactly. We pay a flat fee for residentials anyway, so the exact number of panels is a bit immaterial.
Are you wanting to do it for us?
No, just curious, I'd have a job as I'm here at the mo
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Steve we spoke on the phone the other day. You were looking for someone to take on some work in RG24 postcode. How many panels did it involve, sorry I should've asked at the time. Thanks.
Matt
Hi Matt.
That was a residential array of 20 panels or less. I can't remember exactly. We pay a flat fee for residentials anyway, so the exact number of panels is a bit immaterial.
Are you wanting to do it for us?
No, just curious, I'd have a job as I'm here at the mo
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Looks lovely in Blackpool, hope ur having a great time ;D
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I would be interested in work around Suffolk and Norfolk area
Hi Stephen.
Please can you email me through our website. Thank you.
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Is the website http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/
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What are the locations in Yorkshire please Steve?
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Is the website http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/
It is.
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What are the locations in Yorkshire please Steve?
Burnley 800 panels
Keighley 800 panels
Leeds 400 panels
Is Oldham in Yorkshire? It's near Manchester. If so, 1000 panels
Wigan 640 panels
We have loads of sites around Liverpool, Manchester way too if you cover there.
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i've e mailed you steve, not sure if i used the right one though
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I've emailed you in the event you have work around the Glasgow area.
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Could you send me some details based in Yorkshire
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I'm really close to Keighley Steve, so would be interested.
Thanks, Phil.
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Not heard anything from you mate emailed u
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hi Steve we are based in Sandhurst Hampshire, Berkshire and Surrey border s and we are interested to become a subcontractor to you depending on the job and the prices of course we got to fully equiped wfp vans on the road capable of carriying 1.5 tons of water we are always available with an advance notice please contact us any time if we can help thanks .
Umur OK
OK Cleaning Service Ltd
0777 154 6335
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What's the areas of Scotland Steve.
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Not heard anything from you mate emailed u
Check ur junk folder, that's where my reply went 👍
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ive emailed for details of work in the north east, no reply yet. emailed direct on friday. ::)roll
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Sorry for the delayed response everyone. We've had a manic couple of days sorting dates for cleans on this contract etc for our current Approved Contractors. There are over 100 sites to sort, so I had to give my current companies the priority with my time and get the ball rolling with it. Thankfully, the first site will be cleaned tomorrow! :)
Everyone who emailed should have had a response from me this morning.
I look forward to hearing back from you all.
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hi Steve we are based in Sandhurst Hampshire, Berkshire and Surrey border s and we are interested to become a subcontractor to you depending on the job and the prices of course we got to fully equiped wfp vans on the road capable of carriying 1.5 tons of water we are always available with an advance notice please contact us any time if we can help thanks .
Umur OK
OK Cleaning Service Ltd
0777 154 6335
Hi Umur.
Geographically, you are exactly where we need someone who can full a gap in our network. Please email me through our website and I will send you more information about becoming one of our Approved Contractors.
Thank you.
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What's the areas of Scotland Steve.
Hi Alan.
Currently we have an Approved Contractor in Ayr, but apart from that, the rest of Scotland is up for grabs.
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Really sorry Steve , I can't attend the training, let me know if you have any more dates 👍
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Really sorry Steve , I can't attend the training, let me know if you have any more dates 👍
My word. Is this another desperate attempt to get his "training" courses filled up?
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solar panels aren't to be messed with, they conduct DC current which draws you into it unlike AC current which pushes you away. I think there should be some maintenance courses for window cleaners coz if you break one and your pole conducts electricity, then you'll surely be doomed 😵😵😵
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cis (call it stupidity) springs to mind steve if people are not trained properly in the dangers of spc ;D
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All those T shirts!
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Hang on a minute. Unless I'm missing something solar Steve says cleaning solar panels needs proper training. Are these chaps offering their services trained up?
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Hang on a minute. Unless I'm missing something solar Steve says cleaning solar panels needs proper training. Are these chaps offering their services trained up?
If I'm reading it correctly, they will need to pay to attend one of his training courses before getting any work from him.
I wonder why he is looking for subbies in the northwest again when he already found a few guys on here to cover those areas for him. Prices too low to be worthwhile maybe?
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Hang on a minute. Unless I'm missing something solar Steve says cleaning solar panels needs proper training. Are these chaps offering their services trained up?
And who trained Solar Steve in the first place so he was qualified to provide training?
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Hang on a minute. Unless I'm missing something solar Steve says cleaning solar panels needs proper training. Are these chaps offering their services trained up?
And who trained Solar Steve in the first place so he was qualified to provide training?
Helios?
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This is strange, I'd forgotten about the training. Steve called a couple of weeks ago enquiringly whether we could carry out a domestic solar job for him, but I've not gone through his training scheme, perhaps he thought I had ??? ??? :) :)
Had to turn it down anyway, too busy with a number of our own solar jobs. Just picked up three, smallest is 2,000 panels. They literally seem to be falling out the sky at the moment.
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This is strange, I'd forgotten about the training. Steve called a couple of weeks ago enquiringly whether we could carry out a domestic solar job for him, but I've not gone through his training scheme, perhaps he thought I had ??? ??? :) :)
Had to turn it down anyway, too busy with a number of our own solar jobs. Just picked up three, smallest is 2,000 panels. They literally seem to be falling out the sky at the moment.
Is it just a case of scrub and rinse on the solar panels too?
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What else could it be?
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This is strange, I'd forgotten about the training. Steve called a couple of weeks ago enquiringly whether we could carry out a domestic solar job for him, but I've not gone through his training scheme, perhaps he thought I had ??? ??? :) :)
Had to turn it down anyway, too busy with a number of our own solar jobs. Just picked up three, smallest is 2,000 panels. They literally seem to be falling out the sky at the moment.
Training is needed for commercial jobs, not residential. Just as I said the industry would begin to go, it is a stipulation in our contract that our subcontractors are trained. It's not a Mickey Mouse contract either. It's the biggest rooftop contract to be made available in the UK to date and the contract itself is 48 pages long, much of which refers to H&S.
Times are changing. But what do I know eh? I'm just a scammer trying to fill up a training course. ::)roll
I don't need the money from the training course, I need long term Approved Contractors who I know can clean panels safely.
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Hang on a minute. Unless I'm missing something solar Steve says cleaning solar panels needs proper training. Are these chaps offering their services trained up?
And who trained Solar Steve in the first place so he was qualified to provide training?
I do a whole 15 minutes on that very question at the start of the training day.
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So if I have a big enough pole, I can advertise as a residential solar panel cleaner as one of my services? Do you need any special insurance or anything?
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This is strange, I'd forgotten about the training. Steve called a couple of weeks ago enquiringly whether we could carry out a domestic solar job for him, but I've not gone through his training scheme, perhaps he thought I had ??? ??? :) :)
Had to turn it down anyway, too busy with a number of our own solar jobs. Just picked up three, smallest is 2,000 panels. They literally seem to be falling out the sky at the moment.
Training is needed for commercial jobs, not residential. Just as I said the industry would begin to go, it is a stipulation in our contract that our subcontractors are trained. It's not a Mickey Mouse contract either. It's the biggest rooftop contract to be made available in the UK to date and the contract itself is 48 pages long, much of which refers to H&S.
Times are changing. But what do I know eh? I'm just a scammer trying to fill up a training course. ::)roll
I don't need the money from the training course, I need long term Approved Contractors who I know can clean panels safely.
So to clarify in your words Steve baby, no training is needed to clean solar panels on a house but training is needed on a commercial job. So does that mean we are all ok to carry on as normal then and don't need your permission?
Please make your mind up son, you're becoming a teeny bit unprofessional.
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This is strange, I'd forgotten about the training. Steve called a couple of weeks ago enquiringly whether we could carry out a domestic solar job for him, but I've not gone through his training scheme, perhaps he thought I had ??? ??? :) :)
Had to turn it down anyway, too busy with a number of our own solar jobs. Just picked up three, smallest is 2,000 panels. They literally seem to be falling out the sky at the moment.
Training is needed for commercial jobs, not residential. Just as I said the industry would begin to go, it is a stipulation in our contract that our subcontractors are trained. It's not a Mickey Mouse contract either. It's the biggest rooftop contract to be made available in the UK to date and the contract itself is 48 pages long, much of which refers to H&S.
Times are changing. But what do I know eh? I'm just a scammer trying to fill up a training course. ::)roll
I don't need the money from the training course, I need long term Approved Contractors who I know can clean panels safely.
So to clarify in your words Steve baby, no training is needed to clean solar panels on a house but training is needed on a commercial job. So does that mean we are all ok to carry on as normal then and don't need your permission?
Please make your mind up son, you're becoming a teeny bit unprofessional.
I have tried my best not to talk about training because I don't want the thread to be blocked. I hope the mods don't block it because it is obviously still a very interesting subject to many.
Ok. No training of any kind is required by law.............yet. Within the solar industry though, attitudes are changing regarding this. They want it regulating in the same way as the MCS scheme for installers. They know that window cleaners across the land are advertising solar panel cleaning as a service, but are doing so with ignorance towards the H&S aspects.
Because we now run a high quality training course, the solar industry is trusting us with valuable, high profile contracts. We have set ourselves apart. Our latest and biggest contract dictates that anyone cleaning the panels must have their certificate of training from us.
So as a company, we have looked at this and decided that anyone who cleans any commercial site for us in the future must have been trained by us. For someone to carry out a residential clean for us does not require training because there is less risk. Not zero risk, less risk. This is now our company policy. But the solar industry is looking at regulating the cleaning of ALL solar panels. I am in detailed talks with one body as to how this can be set up.
As businessmen with employees, we should all be interested in the H&S of our employees. We should be willing to train them with new equipment we purchase or inform them about sites which have unique risks.
From another angle, it's a business no-brainer. Three years ago there was me on my own doing this and I cleaned less than 200 panels during 2012. Now I have a limited company that employs 8 people and this year will clean over 170,000 panels. Next year we already have confirmed over 260,000 panels without any new jobs coming through the door. Today I'm pricing up another 160,000 panels for next year.
If ANY of you added a new service, were growing at a rate like this and offering training to become an Approved Contractor for this new part of your business, I would be all over it like a nasty rash. I would want in.
Even if you cast the 'training' side of it aside, this is a great business opportunity.
In April, one company paid nearly £500.00 to train staff. They have since earned over £11k with no further investment needed. Another sole trader has earned about £6k with us this year.
I have thousands of pounds of work to go out to people in the north west and north east, but they must be trained by us first. I have to know they are working safely and to our standard. For someone out there, this training is a no-brainer.
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I agree Steve, when the solar panel industry was going good, the people who realised it was a good money earner, earned loads , I'm talking £12,000 for a 3-4kw job ( panels cost a couple of grand) profit would have been around £8,000, the job was done in a day and there was endless work because the feed in tarrif was huge. The majority of fitters jumped on the band wagan in the last year of the good F.I.T , after the tariffs went down, so did the price ( £5,000 for a 3-4kw system) but there was still loads of profit in it .
Any ways , these panels are on there for 25 years tax free so people would be interested in getting them cleaned to protect there investment. I reckon there is a huge market out there, just like window cleaning
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Quick question!
If your course and certificate are in house training only regulated by yourselves at the minute, what's to stop any other cleaning company from certifying themselves and claiming they are fully trained themselves, promoting this certificate to gain work?
Not having a pop, just curious.
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Then you would be called a rouge trader.
The Kellogg's Institution of Self Certification.
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Steve, do you have trained sub contractors in the northwest? Deeege said you already have them in the area? If you do why aren't these interested in the work stated?
Danny
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Am i missing something here?
I have just read that it will be against the law/h and s legislation or whatever to clean a solar panel commercially unless i have been trained by some lad called Steve whose company only just recently turned over enough money to register for VAT?
WTF!! ??? ???
LOL
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People go on Dragons Den with little in the way of turnover and leave with substantial backing as what they have has great potential.
Duncan Bannatyne OBE from Clydebank, started with an ice cream van. I bet many people said who the f*** dose this guy think he is!
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Steve, do you have trained sub contractors in the northwest? Deeege said you already have them in the area? If you do why aren't these interested in the work stated?
Danny
Hi Danny. No I said he has already used subbies to clean a few jobs in our area, this was probably before he was spamming his 'training' course so they are now not 'qualified'. I'd be interested to know why these subbies don't want to continue their working relationship with Steve, if it were such a good earner? Prices as low as 15-25p per panel is what I've heard on the grapevine.
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Time to worry is when Steve manages to make it law to have a qualification and he becomes the official nvq trainer. "they" don't want it - he does for obvious reasons.
Only people with a certificate can clean.
Only person who offers the training is Stevo
Can only be trained if you become his subcontractor.
The only work you can do is what Stevo gives you.
You have to use his signwriting and advertise his company (probably on your own website).
Kerching! Steve gets the total monopoly of the business all over the uk and there will be nowt you can do about it.......... unless....
you get there first and start your own training company and get official approval.
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I don't see that as a need to worry. I see that as part of the system of supply and demand. It's all about evolution in a business sense. Eventually a level playing field will evolve, it's up to Steve whether he wants to be part of it or not.
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No? but he could get the monopoly over all commercial work? Can't see that as being healthy?
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So basically its going to become like IPAF?
Technically you dont need an ipaf license to use a cherry picker, but try hiring a mobile/static boom and without one...
IPAF are a business not a goverining body, but I guess they are recognised across the industry & are the recognised 'rule setters'
Hey if mr Steve gets to that stage then fair play, I know I aint got gumption to push for it
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So basically its going to become like IPAF?
Technically you dont need an ipaf license to use a cherry picker, but try hiring a mobile/static boom and without one...
IPAF are a business not a goverining body, but I guess they are recognised across the industry & are the recognised 'rule setters'
Hey if mr Steve gets to that stage then fair play, I know I aint got gumption to push for it
He's got a few contracts and has said he'll only use trained people with his certificate. It's all self aggrandisement.
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How much is he charging for his course
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Why wouldnt Steve want trained competent guys subbing from him??
Any one can clean a solar panel yes, but if something did go wrong im guessing without training and a certificate then insurance wouldnt pay out a dime and Stev would be in serious trouble letting a chancer onto a site who kills himself or does thiusands of pounds in damage!
I only take on subbys who have insurance! Only a fool wouldnt. Fair play i say for running in a professional maner. And if the training does cost and Steve earns from it then fair play to have got to that level where he can do that. Maybe learn from him instead of trying to run him down for offering work out to certified subbys.
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No? but he could get the monopoly over all commercial work? Can't see that as being healthy?
That to me is like saying OCS have the monopoly on office cleaning. It just ain't going to happen.
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good luck to the guy he's probably put a lot of effort into things so fair play and if people want to pay for it, its their money (I would take it off them), in regards for paying for his course I personally wouldn't pay for a certificate that has as much recognition as my 5 year olds level 2 ducklings swimming cert (also sponsored by Kellogg's(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443119018_grin[1].gif) ) however you could waste your money even more by spending at Brodex.
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How much is he charging for his course
£500 I gather.
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Eh? Five hundred squid?
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Why wouldnt Steve want trained competent guys subbing from him??
Any one can clean a solar panel yes, but if something did go wrong im guessing without training and a certificate then insurance wouldnt pay out a dime and Stev would be in serious trouble letting a chancer onto a site who kills himself or does thiusands of pounds in damage!
I only take on subbys who have insurance! Only a fool wouldnt. Fair play i say for running in a professional maner. And if the training does cost and Steve earns from it then fair play to have got to that level where he can do that. Maybe learn from him instead of trying to run him down for offering work out to certified subbys.
You make a great point Mick. Out of interest, how many window cleaners that you sub too have you have to teach how to clean windows, and how many have you had to certify ? And are you certified yourself, you should be ? ;D
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How much is he charging for his course
£500 I gather.
Really?
Guys seriously deluded.
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£199 + vat
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I've sent THREE messages via the website and ain't heard now't back.
I would like to find out more about training and availability of contracts before the hecklers shut the post down.
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Steve is specialising in this area, he has from what I gather put in a tremendous amount of time and effort getting contacts in this area and turning it into potentially a very big business, all of that I applaude it's something many of us wish to aspire to.
However, setting up a 'certificate' that has no backing from any recognised training body is worthless when it comes to insurance it's no different from myself offering a h&s note to my staff, - I tried to make this point before but I think Steve got thr hump and wouldn't talk about it - as a main contractor Steve's requirement is to check his contractor is aware of any hazards and is insured this information should be a free exchange of information - insisting that you must pay to take his training course or you won't get the work borders on very sharpe practice and in the future could lead to a nasty law suit ( ie.. Company claims to be discriminated against because they didn't pay for a mic key mouse course and show they are insured and com patent to do the work, esp. As steve says its irrevivent for residential work or a company pays for the course in the expectation or promise of 11k of work and get one 50 job - sounds like extortion )
Commercially I can not be insured to operate a cherry picker without a recognised training cert. Am I insured to clean solar panels - yes I am, so in short Steve could not reasonably refuse to let me clean them if we agreed price/schedule etc.. Other than him asking for a big back hander under the guise of a "training scheme"
I don't know Steve personally, and a couple of years back we traded an email or two but we're miles apart on price, I'd be happy to consider solar panel work, there are a dozen or more big ones close to me, but like any other work I take on it first has to be profitable, and secondly I don't need to 'pay' for it, I get it on merit.
Just my tuppenth worth ;D
Darran
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I'd be very interested to know how much people are being paid per panel via SS. If it's less than 3 quid a panel then I'm out :P
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£3.00 and 25p are miles apart. How many panels could one man clean in a day on the ground. 500? That would equal £1500.00 or £125.00
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£3.00 and 25p are miles apart. How many panels could one man clean in a day on the ground. 500? That would equal £1500.00 or £125.00
If you are expecting to get subbed £3 per panel jobs from Steve (or anyone else) you are setting yourself up to be disappointed.
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Sub-contracting work out. It's being an employment agency more than anything else.
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Due to professional curtesy I'm not at liberty to discuss prices, needless to say it was less than the larger seven sided silver coin that is currently in circulation .
Darran
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Due to professional curtesy I'm not at liberty to discuss prices, needless to say it was less than the larger seven sided silver coin that is currently in circulation .
Darran
1 Barbadian dollar??
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Steve is specialising in this area, he has from what I gather put in a tremendous amount of time and effort getting contacts in this area and turning it into potentially a very big business, all of that I applaude it's something many of us wish to aspire to.
However, setting up a 'certificate' that has no backing from any recognised training body is worthless when it comes to insurance it's no different from myself offering a h&s note to my staff, - I tried to make this point before but I think Steve got thr hump and wouldn't talk about it - as a main contractor Steve's requirement is to check his contractor is aware of any hazards and is insured this information should be a free exchange of information - insisting that you must pay to take his training course or you won't get the work borders on very sharpe practice and in the future could lead to a nasty law suit ( ie.. Company claims to be discriminated against because they didn't pay for a mic key mouse course and show they are insured and com patent to do the work, esp. As steve says its irrevivent for residential work or a company pays for the course in the expectation or promise of 11k of work and get one 50 job - sounds like extortion )
Commercially I can not be insured to operate a cherry picker without a recognised training cert. Am I insured to clean solar panels - yes I am, so in short Steve could not reasonably refuse to let me clean them if we agreed price/schedule etc.. Other than him asking for a big back hander under the guise of a "training scheme"
I don't know Steve personally, and a couple of years back we traded an email or two but we're miles apart on price, I'd be happy to consider solar panel work, there are a dozen or more big ones close to me, but like any other work I take on it first has to be profitable, and secondly I don't need to 'pay' for it, I get it on merit.
Just my tuppenth worth ;D
Darran
I am impressed with your diplomacy, and getting your point right across.............11/10 !!!! ;D ;D
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Thx clean clear - makes a change for me ;D
@ shrek ;D - ok uk coin ;)
Darran
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Ah ok I get ya lol ;D
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When it comes to commercial ground arrays there's always going to be someone cheaper. 35p - 45p a panel is the going rate you can expect sub-contracting from SS on a days work.
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Due to professional curtesy I'm not at liberty to discuss prices, needless to say it was less than the larger seven sided silver coin that is currently in circulation .
Darran
Thanks for the info Darran. And SS says someone made 11k, I can't be arsed doing the maths ;D
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Oh and there's diesel to get there, your own water......
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I love it when people band about big figures,
11k of work ! Cool unless it takes 1000 hours to earn that amount ::)roll
Darran
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I love it when people band about big figures,
11k of work ! Cool unless it takes 1000 hours to earn that amount ::)roll
Darran
I thought the same.
In one sentence he's throwing figures around of 250,000 panels per year and the next sentence he's saying they have elite subbies doing £6k turnover like that's a big number. (It's not, it's literally nothing) Doesn't really make sense to me.
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Quick question!
If your course and certificate are in house training only regulated by yourselves at the minute, what's to stop any other cleaning company from certifying themselves and claiming they are fully trained themselves, promoting this certificate to gain work?
Not having a pop, just curious.
Nothing I suppose. But if challenged or if an accident were to happen, they would probably want to quiz you about your knowledge or look into your 'training course'. Would be found to be hollow and your course have no substance?
Also, we are well respected and well known throughout the solar industry and not just in the UK anymore. I have articles published in trade magazines and speak at national seminars. Clean Solar Solutions is a recognised brand within the industry. That's why our course and certificate carries weight as opposed to the window cleaner who prints off his own certificate on his desktop PC.
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Steve, do you have trained sub contractors in the northwest? Deeege said you already have them in the area? If you do why aren't these interested in the work stated?
Danny
We don't yet have trained subcontractors in the north west, though since this thread has been running, a company from Penrith is coming on the next course, so that area is now covered.
I've said many times that we will only train one company in an area. If I had trained subcontractors in the north west, I would not be asking for more subcontractors there.
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Am i missing something here?
I have just read that it will be against the law/h and s legislation or whatever to clean a solar panel commercially unless i have been trained by some lad called Steve whose company only just recently turned over enough money to register for VAT?
WTF!! ??? ???
LOL
No, you didn't. You need to read it again.
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Why wouldnt Steve want trained competent guys subbing from him??
Any one can clean a solar panel yes, but if something did go wrong im guessing without training and a certificate then insurance wouldnt pay out a dime and Stev would be in serious trouble letting a chancer onto a site who kills himself or does thiusands of pounds in damage!
I only take on subbys who have insurance! Only a fool wouldnt. Fair play i say for running in a professional maner. And if the training does cost and Steve earns from it then fair play to have got to that level where he can do that. Maybe learn from him instead of trying to run him down for offering work out to certified subbys.
+1.
Thank you very much Mr Kent! Someone gets it. Hallelujah!
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good luck to the guy he's probably put a lot of effort into things so fair play and if people want to pay for it, its their money (I would take it off them), in regards for paying for his course I personally wouldn't pay for a certificate that has as much recognition as my 5 year olds level 2 ducklings swimming cert (also sponsored by Kellogg's(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443119018_grin[1].gif) ) however you could waste your money even more by spending at Brodex.
;D That's great P1W1!
But I'd like to emphasise again, it's not about the money, it's about education. :)
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I've sent THREE messages via the website and ain't heard now't back.
I would like to find out more about training and availability of contracts before the hecklers shut the post down.
Hi Alan.
I have emailed you back already. I will email again later from a different email address in case there's issues. I think IOS9 has messed up the email on my iPad. My apologies.
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There's now much discussion about price. Here's the crack on that one.
Will I get ANYONE to clean a residential array for 15p - 25p per panel? No way! That's between £2.40 - £4.00 for a 16 panel system! I'd love to get people working for that because my profit margin would go through the roof!
Prices vary from site to site, depending on what's involved. Is that a deliberately vague answer? Absolutely it is!
But does the fact that we have trained over 55 people, all of whom now do work for us and are happy to continue to do so, show that we are paying decent money? Absolutely it does!
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There's now much discussion about price. Here's the crack on that one.
Will I get ANYONE to clean a residential array for 15p - 25p per panel? No way! That's between £2.40 - £4.00 for a 16 panel system! I'd love to get people working for that because my profit margin would go through the roof!
Prices vary from site to site, depending on what's involved. Is that a deliberately vague answer? Absolutely it is!
But does the fact that we have trained over 55 people, all of whom now do work for us and are happy to continue to do so, show that we are paying decent money? Absolutely it does!
If you are giving a deliberately vague answer I personally wouldn't be able to work with someone like that. And the fact that you have 55 subbies may only prove that they are short of work and need to fill hours.
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There's now much discussion about price. Here's the crack on that one.
Will I get ANYONE to clean a residential array for 15p - 25p per panel? No way! That's between £2.40 - £4.00 for a 16 panel system! I'd love to get people working for that because my profit margin would go through the roof!
Prices vary from site to site, depending on what's involved. Is that a deliberately vague answer? Absolutely it is!
But does the fact that we have trained over 55 people, all of whom now do work for us and are happy to continue to do so, show that we are paying decent money? Absolutely it does!
If you are giving a deliberately vague answer I personally wouldn't be able to work with someone like that. And the fact that you have 55 subbies may only prove that they are short of work and need to fill hours.
Do you think I'm going to come on here and publish my pricing matrix? No. I won't because I don't need to.
Having over 55 Approved Contractors could also show that they recognise the potential in the market and want to work alongside us. We have some companies attend who are 30 years+ in the business. They are not short of work. They are experienced, seasoned businessmen who know a good opportunity when they see it.
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Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.
I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
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Where has this poorly managed setup came from!
I used ti drive hgv's carrying dangerous gases such as acetylene, have you ever seen the damage an acetylene cylinder can cause!
Health and safety is about managing risks, how many on here have completed a manual handling course recently?
Lifting 20-25 kg containers in and out of vehicles and onto trolleys. Filling your backpack from a 25l container could cause serious damage to your back. If you or your employees don't have manual handling training then you are in danger of breaching health and safety, you will be liable in the event your employees back gives up!
How many are taking risks every day without knowing due to having a poorly managed setup??
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Whether you're short of work or just looking to boost income over some spare days in the month .
Some are willing to give it a go and some aren't everyone is different .
Depends on your perception of things more money could possibly made window cleaning in a day in some cases that might be the case or it might not be .
Now that's a vague answer ;D ;D
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I've done the training day and it paid for itself quite quickly. Price per panel will very from ground to roof arrays and size of array.
Don't know what all the fuss is about?
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What did you learn Og in the training day that you didn't know previously?
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I discovered there were a few things that I hadn't considered or come across, with regards to the cleaning of panels.
I shan't bore you with details and besides, I'd like to maintain a good relationship with clean solar solutions.
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Matt - love the post, but sure you'll get an answer, much like myself I'm interested in the broader topic of the training and its merits alas Steve seems unwilling to discuss either here or via email
As a note - all my staff have manual handling and working at height certs. They are also crb checked all these are required for clients, the difference is they are all official.
A few years back I was told on here that you couldn't get any commercial work unless you were safe contractor approved you also needed to be a member of the FWC - thus far in 6 years I've never needed either to get the work I was after, I'm sure when the time comes and actively approach solar farms the same will apply...
Og - and you are ??
Darran
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I love it when people band about big figures,
11k of work ! Cool unless it takes 1000 hours to earn that amount ::)roll
Darran
Some mugs about ;D
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I love it when people band about big figures,
11k of work ! Cool unless it takes 1000 hours to earn that amount ::)roll
Darran
Some mugs about ;D
Solar Steve's counting on it. ;D
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Very strange business model. An intelligent guy spends three years studying and acquires a huge amount of knowledge about a subject. Rather than employ or franchise, decides to sell his intellectual property, all he has learnt for approx £250.00 .
We now have at least 55 sub-contractors...tomorrows contractors, available to sell on or use all that has been taught.I can see websites being made now with "fully certified and approved" in their headings.
Ironically Steve cannot do this...the HSE frown upon self certification.
I am waiting for the first of them to put the information in writing and selling it. It could be a nice Christmas bonus for some one.
The certified can now be teachers!!
To get this info for that money, seems like a bargain to me.
With franchising and employment, the franchisees and employed are desperate for the franchisor or employer to succeed, with this model the sub contractors are hoping for the demise of the contractor, to step in his boots.
Like I said...strange business model.
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Og - and you are ??
Darran
I am Og.
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Og - and you are ??
Darran
I am Og.
http://www.h2o-clean.co.uk
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443210312_image.jpeg)
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Cheers Matt - I like where possible to know the people I'm talking to.
Nick - that's an interesting perspective, but maybe all those who have been on the course have had to sign a contract of non disclosure
Og - is that the case, after all as you have "the" certificate then being open about what the course entails would help other to evaluate its worth, after all you have Stevens guarantee no one else in your area can clean solar panels, so I see no reason to be all hush hush
Darran
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Due to professional curtesy I'm not at liberty to discuss prices, needless to say it was less than the larger seven sided silver coin that is currently in circulation .
Darran
Lol
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To be fair I'd say fair play to Steve,
It's not for everyone as I can see from reading this thread.
If he's making money from it and he's enjoying it then keep it up.
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I ve communicated with Steve and what he has offered is well priced .
You can't blame him for been some what vague I certainly won't reveal certain details about the running my business to a stranger on a forum .
I would love for someone to come on here and reveal or their secrets to success pricing structure and addresses and locations and prices of jobs .
No one in their right mind would
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I don't think anyone is asking Steve to divulge contacts, or even how to get solar panel cleaning work, from reading many have asked questions more to do with the dangers of cleaning solar panels to which Steve appears to be more antagonistic rather than helpful. ( just my impression from reading threads)
For my part, if Steve required a sub-contractor in the far reaches of Norfolk then I'm happy to have an adult, business style conversation about it.
Darran
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I don't think anyone is asking Steve to divulge contacts, or even how to get solar panel cleaning work, from reading many have asked questions more to do with the dangers of cleaning solar panels to which Steve appears to be more antagonistic rather than helpful. ( just my impression from reading threads)
For my part, if Steve required a sub-contractor in the far reaches of Norfolk then I'm happy to have an adult, business style conversation about it.
Darran
Apply through his website lmao
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Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.
I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
Matt, we had a perfectly civilised conversation on the phone the other day. Why now on the forum have you changed tone completely?
I will answer your question though, in a fashion. 'Approved' simply means that they have been approved by us, personally, to represent our company, on our jobs and work to our standard.
You speak of me 'flogging courses' like I'm some dodgy market dealer looking to make a few shady quid. I'm going to put this in capitals because it is the umpteenth time I've said it and still it isn't sinking in with some of you: THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING EXERCISE. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE HARD EARNED REPUTATION OF MY COMPANY.
I am completely open to ANYONE from a regulatory or H&S body to come and sit on my course to judge both the professionalism and the content. In fact, come to think of it, a course conductor who carried out window cleaning courses nationwide for local authorities was on the first course back in April. He said privately that it was a more informative course than many he had sat on during his training over the years and as professional as any too.
I do not do 'half-baked' it is not in my vocabulary. The information I present is accurate and would stand up should there be an accident. Do you think I'm stupid? I HAVE to now what I'm on about. People in the solar industry want my information that is in my head that I have accumulated over the last few years. I have been invited to speak in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Chile, all of which I have turned down due to family commitments, but I have accepted a number of seminar parts at national solar events. One of which you can view here: http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panel-cleaning-explained-at-energy-now-expo-2015
You lot are so brave sitting behind your PC's aren't you? So many of you claim on websites to be a 'fully trained' solar panel cleaning professional in your area. Some of you have even gone to the lengths of having dedicated solar panel cleaning websites made.
You all poke fun and mock what I have created. But where are you all? Are you in demand by the solar industry or ANY industry for your information? How many articles have you had written for European solar trade magazines? Are I don't even see you giving cards out at trade shows, let alone exhibiting or being asked to speak on such seminars. You know why? Most of you aren't brave enough to stick your head above the parapet and let someone take a shot at you. You don't ACTUALLY know what's involved with solar panel cleaning so you mock the guys who do.
Because YOU wouldn't know where to begin to fill a day with information about solar panel cleaning, you assume no one else can either. We are going great guns. The companies who join us do not regret it. That gives me all the confidence I need to move this business forward and I'd like to thank you folks who have mocked the training course for over 3 years now (yes it has been that long since I mooted the idea) you folks, you are the ones who inspire me and drive me forward. There's no greater feeling in business than proving doubters wrong.
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Whether you're short of work or just looking to boost income over some spare days in the month .
Some are willing to give it a go and some aren't everyone is different .
Depends on your perception of things more money could possibly made window cleaning in a day in some cases that might be the case or it might not be .
Now that's a vague answer ;D ;D
I like that! ;D
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I discovered there were a few things that I hadn't considered or come across, with regards to the cleaning of panels.
I shan't bore you with details and besides, I'd like to maintain a good relationship with clean solar solutions.
Thanks Og. You know the money is not my main concern in all of this, though it seems to be for others on the forum. But just for the record, in a word, do you think the course was worth the cost?
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Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.
I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
Matt, we had a perfectly civilised conversation on the phone the other day. Why now on the forum have you changed tone completely?
I will answer your question though, in a fashion. 'Approved' simply means that they have been approved by us, personally, to represent our company, on our jobs and work to our standard.
You speak of me 'flogging courses' like I'm some dodgy market dealer looking to make a few shady quid. I'm going to put this in capitals because it is the umpteenth time I've said it and still it isn't sinking in with some of you: THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING EXERCISE. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE HARD EARNED REPUTATION OF MY COMPANY.
I am completely open to ANYONE from a regulatory or H&S body to come and sit on my course to judge both the professionalism and the content. In fact, come to think of it, a course conductor who carried out window cleaning courses nationwide for local authorities was on the first course back in April. He said privately that it was a more informative course than many he had sat on during his training over the years and as professional as any too.
I do not do 'half-baked' it is not in my vocabulary. The information I present is accurate and would stand up should there be an accident. Do you think I'm stupid? I HAVE to now what I'm on about. People in the solar industry want my information that is in my head that I have accumulated over the last few years. I have been invited to speak in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Chile, all of which I have turned down due to family commitments, but I have accepted a number of seminar parts at national solar events. One of which you can view here: http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panel-cleaning-explained-at-energy-now-expo-2015
You lot are so brave sitting behind your PC's aren't you? So many of you claim on websites to be a 'fully trained' solar panel cleaning professional in your area. Some of you have even gone to the lengths of having dedicated solar panel cleaning websites made.
You all poke fun and mock what I have created. But where are you all? Are you in demand by the solar industry or ANY industry for your information? How many articles have you had written for European solar trade magazines? Are I don't even see you giving cards out at trade shows, let alone exhibiting or being asked to speak on such seminars. You know why? Most of you aren't brave enough to stick your head above the parapet and let someone take a shot at you. You don't ACTUALLY know what's involved with solar panel cleaning so you mock the guys who do.
Because YOU wouldn't know where to begin to fill a day with information about solar panel cleaning, you assume no one else can either. We are going great guns. The companies who join us do not regret it. That gives me all the confidence I need to move this business forward and I'd like to thank you folks who have mocked the training course for over 3 years now (yes it has been that long since I mooted the idea) you folks, you are the ones who inspire me and drive me forward. There's no greater feeling in business than proving doubters wrong.
An interesting response I have to say.
You seem to be taking this all a little bit too personally Steve. The questions I've asked are perfectly understandable questions for someone who is concerned about their own safety and the safety of staff they may consider putting on one of your courses. If you can't stand up under some sort of questioning how does that come across? It might be an idea if you get accustomed to people questioning you, you're naive if you think it's going to be a simple stroll to get your idea off the ground.
Why shouldn't you be questioned anyway? You put yourself up as the authority throughout the UK in solar panel cleaning and cleaning courses and then think we shouldn't be able to question you or your business? Where you get the idea that I poke fun at you I have no idea.
As for the phone call we had, yes it was perfectly amiable, I would welcome you calling me again if you need my help. I'm sorry I couldn't help you out on this occasion, maybe next time ;)
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Very strange business model. An intelligent guy spends three years studying and acquires a huge amount of knowledge about a subject. Rather than employ or franchise, decides to sell his intellectual property, all he has learnt for approx £250.00 .
We now have at least 55 sub-contractors...tomorrows contractors, available to sell on or use all that has been taught.I can see websites being made now with "fully certified and approved" in their headings.
Ironically Steve cannot do this...the HSE frown upon self certification.
I am waiting for the first of them to put the information in writing and selling it. It could be a nice Christmas bonus for some one.
The certified can now be teachers!!
To get this info for that money, seems like a bargain to me.
With franchising and employment, the franchisees and employed are desperate for the franchisor or employer to succeed, with this model the sub contractors are hoping for the demise of the contractor, to step in his boots.
Like I said...strange business model.
Nick, interesting comments. We do employ. Two years ago there was just me. Now there is 8 of us. Three in the office and five on tools. That's not bad growth in two years I don't think.
It was too early in the business development to previously look into franchising. Franchises usually require a degree of company and industry history before anyone is willing to become a franchisee. That attitude is changing as the industry develops though. Like everything else I talk, about in public on here, I will not go into detail, but that is changing too. A lot of people on here said I would never get a training course up and running, let alone get anyone to come on it....
I could not and to a degree still cannot grow my business fast enough without considerable cost or risk. Going down the route I have still carries a degree of risk. What is to stop Og coming on here and telling all for example? Nothing. But I have weighed up that risk and made our business proposition good enough so that others want to protect it and the Clean Solar Solutions brand as much as I do. I have sacrificed the 'me' for the 'we' and our Approved Contractors now do the same.
Self-interest is not as strong as collective-interest. Alone we are one drop of rain, but together we are an ocean. My employed staff and our Approved Contractors know that if we all work together, we all win.
You say you can see websites being made now with 'fully certified and approved' on them. Guess what's? They are already out there, shed loads of them. People who claim to be 'fully trained' for solar panel cleaning, which puzzles me because the only place you can get trained is with us and they are not our Approved Contractors! But we do get great joy in quoting from these websites during the afternoon session of the training day and reducing their ACTUAL knowledge of solar panel cleaning through either their pictures or outrageous claims that they make on their website.
On the training days, I do not sell 'information'. Some information money cannot buy and some information is not worth selling. What I do sell is a business proposition which makes my brand and company stronger than it already is. I sell a formula that makes it in the interest of the Approved Contractor to promote Clean Solar Solutions. If Clean Solar Solutions win, so do the Approved Contractors. We all win.
That's far superior to selling 'information'.
Anyway, if you go back to the beginning of this thread, you'll see that didn't want to talk about the training. We still have need for subcontractors in some areas though with work GUARANTEED. Penrith, Carlisle, Newcastle upon Tyne and Manchester have now gone, but Liverpool and Birkenhead is still a good sized area still available, among a few other places.
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I discovered there were a few things that I hadn't considered or come across, with regards to the cleaning of panels.
I shan't bore you with details and besides, I'd like to maintain a good relationship with clean solar solutions.
Thanks Og. You know the money is not my main concern in all of this, though it seems to be for others on the forum. But just for the record, in a word, do you think the course was worth the cost?
Without wanting to sound sycophantic, undoubtedly 'yes'.
Really don't understand all the drama. Either you're in, or you're out?
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Steve I might have the wrong end of the stick here but would I be right in thinking people can't self-certify themselves and become approved contractors without your input.
Or have I got that wrong?
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Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.
I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
Matt, we had a perfectly civilised conversation on the phone the other day. Why now on the forum have you changed tone completely?
I will answer your question though, in a fashion. 'Approved' simply means that they have been approved by us, personally, to represent our company, on our jobs and work to our standard.
You speak of me 'flogging courses' like I'm some dodgy market dealer looking to make a few shady quid. I'm going to put this in capitals because it is the umpteenth time I've said it and still it isn't sinking in with some of you: THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING EXERCISE. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE HARD EARNED REPUTATION OF MY COMPANY.
I am completely open to ANYONE from a regulatory or H&S body to come and sit on my course to judge both the professionalism and the content. In fact, come to think of it, a course conductor who carried out window cleaning courses nationwide for local authorities was on the first course back in April. He said privately that it was a more informative course than many he had sat on during his training over the years and as professional as any too.
I do not do 'half-baked' it is not in my vocabulary. The information I present is accurate and would stand up should there be an accident. Do you think I'm stupid? I HAVE to now what I'm on about. People in the solar industry want my information that is in my head that I have accumulated over the last few years. I have been invited to speak in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Chile, all of which I have turned down due to family commitments, but I have accepted a number of seminar parts at national solar events. One of which you can view here: http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panel-cleaning-explained-at-energy-now-expo-2015
You lot are so brave sitting behind your PC's aren't you? So many of you claim on websites to be a 'fully trained' solar panel cleaning professional in your area. Some of you have even gone to the lengths of having dedicated solar panel cleaning websites made.
You all poke fun and mock what I have created. But where are you all? Are you in demand by the solar industry or ANY industry for your information? How many articles have you had written for European solar trade magazines? Are I don't even see you giving cards out at trade shows, let alone exhibiting or being asked to speak on such seminars. You know why? Most of you aren't brave enough to stick your head above the parapet and let someone take a shot at you. You don't ACTUALLY know what's involved with solar panel cleaning so you mock the guys who do.
Because YOU wouldn't know where to begin to fill a day with information about solar panel cleaning, you assume no one else can either. We are going great guns. The companies who join us do not regret it. That gives me all the confidence I need to move this business forward and I'd like to thank you folks who have mocked the training course for over 3 years now (yes it has been that long since I mooted the idea) you folks, you are the ones who inspire me and drive me forward. There's no greater feeling in business than proving doubters wrong.
An interesting response I have to say.
You seem to be taking this all a little bit too personally Steve. The questions I've asked are perfectly understandable questions for someone who is concerned about their own safety and the safety of staff they may consider putting on one of your courses. If you can't stand up under some sort of questioning how does that come across? It might be an idea if you get accustomed to people questioning you, you're naive if you think it's going to be a simple stroll to get your idea off the ground.
Why shouldn't you be questioned anyway? You put yourself up as the authority throughout the UK in solar panel cleaning and cleaning courses and then think we shouldn't be able to question you or your business? Where you get the idea that I poke fun at you I have no idea.
As for the phone call we had, yes it was perfectly amiable, I would welcome you calling me again if you need my help. I'm sorry I couldn't help you out on this occasion, maybe next time ;)
I don't take it personally Matt. It just frustrates me that I have to answer the same questions time and time and time again. The questions you asked have been asked umpteen times on this forum before. If you are 'concerned about their own safety and the safety of staff they may consider putting on one of your courses', you get on the next course more than most.
I don't need to get my 'idea off the ground' anymore. It's flying already. All I'm doing now is making it more streamlined. It's a bit like quizzing Henry Ford about if his 'car idea' is going to take off after he's sold 250,000 units and has his 55th dealership open. He would have probably just rolled his eyes said "No, it won't take off." and then walk off smiling. :)
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I discovered there were a few things that I hadn't considered or come across, with regards to the cleaning of panels.
I shan't bore you with details and besides, I'd like to maintain a good relationship with clean solar solutions.
Thanks Og. You know the money is not my main concern in all of this, though it seems to be for others on the forum. But just for the record, in a word, do you think the course was worth the cost?
Without wanting to sound sycophantic, undoubtedly 'yes'.
Really don't understand all the drama. Either you're in, or you're out?
I'm glad. :)
No, I don't understand the drama either. I only asked for subcontractors in certain areas! ;D
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Am out mate :-[
I have work coming out my ears, and cannot commit to what is required.
But best of luck to those that do get the opportunity.
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Steve I might have the wrong end of the stick here but would I be right in thinking people can't self-certify themselves and become approved contractors without your input.
Or have I got that wrong?
By its very definition, anyone can self-certify. But it is whether that certificate carries weight within the field or industry of its scope. Let's say 9 others on the forum self-certified tonight as well as Clean Solar Solutions.
A large solar installer is after partnering with a company. He knows we are all self-certified, but knows Clean Solar Solutions were the very first professional solar cleaning company in the UK and have cleaned more panels than anyone else. He knows they are the only ones he has seen at a trade show here or abroad. He knows they are also the chosen partner of some of the UK's main players in the solar industry. He knows the MD of the company is given seminar parts at national shows. He knows they have a number of UK-firsts tucked under their belt and have have tackled some of the UK's most prestigious and difficult sites. He also knows they offer a training course and no one can clean panels on his sites without their attending this course.
Remember, all are self-certified, but if you were the solar installer, who would you choose to partner with?
I had to build a REPUTATION and BRAND within the industry before I could accomplish what I'm accomplishing with Clean Solar Solutions today. THAT'S why our certificate carries value, despite it being self-certified.
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Am out mate :-[
I have work coming out my ears, and cannot commit to what is required.
But best of luck to those that do get the opportunity.
No worries Matt. But thanks for the enquiry and I'm sure we could have worked around the requirements do some of your other clients. ;) Sounds like you have a good number anyway. :)
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Thanks. I always appreciate a balanced response, I tend to think it reflects well on the other person.
Please don't take my questioning in a poor light, if I am to attend a course on health and safety I want to know the person running it and the organisation behind it is up to the job. False information can be just as harmful as no information.
You might consider Steve that when I attended a course on MEWPS in Southampton run by Facelift they didnt attract the same level of questioning as you have on here as they have a proven track record, built up over many years. This is something that Solar Clean doesn't have yet. This is why the questioning is the way it is. Try to see it from your customers angle.
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Thanks. I always appreciate a balanced response, I tend to think it reflects well on the other person.
Please don't take my questioning in a poor light, if I am to attend a course on health and safety I want to know the person running it and the organisation behind it is up to the job. False information can be just as harmful as no information.
You might consider Steve that when I attended a course on MEWPS in Southampton run by Facelift they didnt attract the same level of questioning as you have on here as they have a proven track record, built up over many years. This is something that Solar Clean doesn't have yet. This is why the questioning is the way it is. Try to see it from your customers angle.
Well put Matt - this is my view as well, should Steves training be backed up with an official body, rather than self cert then that I feel is more protection for him.
Darran
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Thanks. I always appreciate a balanced response, I tend to think it reflects well on the other person.
Please don't take my questioning in a poor light, if I am to attend a course on health and safety I want to know the person running it and the organisation behind it is up to the job. False information can be just as harmful as no information.
You might consider Steve that when I attended a course on MEWPS in Southampton run by Facelift they didnt attract the same level of questioning as you have on here as they have a proven track record, built up over many years. This is something that Solar Clean doesn't have yet. This is why the questioning is the way it is. Try to see it from your customers angle.
Fair enough. :)
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Or... to put it another way- you've won Stevie Boy... hands down!! ;D Well done! ;)
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The way that I look at it Solar Steve has a legal responsibility for the H&S of his network of subcontractors hence why the training day has been put in place. He is only interested in subs to cover the postcode areas he wants covered that are willing to pay to attend the training day which is fare enough if you want the opportunity to be given work from him.
Nobody is twisting your arm as either you want to work for him or you don't ;D
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Steve when you say 'Approved' you mean someone who has paid YOU to go on YOUR course of YOUR design overseen by YOU? Right? Which doesn't stand for much really does it.
I'd like to ask a question. When you start flogging 'courses' (I put it in brackets because approved courses are overseen, they subscribe to a standard that has to be achieved or surpassed and that doesn't happen with your 'courses') who overseas that what you're selling and how you are operating are done in a legal and competent manner? That the service you supply and information you teach is correct. Also if it was proven that an operative was either seriously injured or killed as a direct result of mis-information supplied by yourself or your company where would the victims family stand in a compensation point of view. Where would your business stand. And where would you personally stand knowing that in a given situation that person had been killed because of a poorly managed setup that was your conception?
Matt, we had a perfectly civilised conversation on the phone the other day. Why now on the forum have you changed tone completely?
I will answer your question though, in a fashion. 'Approved' simply means that they have been approved by us, personally, to represent our company, on our jobs and work to our standard.
You speak of me 'flogging courses' like I'm some dodgy market dealer looking to make a few shady quid. I'm going to put this in capitals because it is the umpteenth time I've said it and still it isn't sinking in with some of you: THIS IS NOT A MONEY MAKING EXERCISE. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE HARD EARNED REPUTATION OF MY COMPANY.
I am completely open to ANYONE from a regulatory or H&S body to come and sit on my course to judge both the professionalism and the content. In fact, come to think of it, a course conductor who carried out window cleaning courses nationwide for local authorities was on the first course back in April. He said privately that it was a more informative course than many he had sat on during his training over the years and as professional as any too.
I do not do 'half-baked' it is not in my vocabulary. The information I present is accurate and would stand up should there be an accident. Do you think I'm stupid? I HAVE to now what I'm on about. People in the solar industry want my information that is in my head that I have accumulated over the last few years. I have been invited to speak in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Chile, all of which I have turned down due to family commitments, but I have accepted a number of seminar parts at national solar events. One of which you can view here: http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panel-cleaning-explained-at-energy-now-expo-2015
You lot are so brave sitting behind your PC's aren't you? So many of you claim on websites to be a 'fully trained' solar panel cleaning professional in your area. Some of you have even gone to the lengths of having dedicated solar panel cleaning websites made.
You all poke fun and mock what I have created. But where are you all? Are you in demand by the solar industry or ANY industry for your information? How many articles have you had written for European solar trade magazines? Are I don't even see you giving cards out at trade shows, let alone exhibiting or being asked to speak on such seminars. You know why? Most of you aren't brave enough to stick your head above the parapet and let someone take a shot at you. You don't ACTUALLY know what's involved with solar panel cleaning so you mock the guys who do.
Because YOU wouldn't know where to begin to fill a day with information about solar panel cleaning, you assume no one else can either. We are going great guns. The companies who join us do not regret it. That gives me all the confidence I need to move this business forward and I'd like to thank you folks who have mocked the training course for over 3 years now (yes it has been that long since I mooted the idea) you folks, you are the ones who inspire me and drive me forward. There's no greater feeling in business than proving doubters wrong.
Don't worry about it Steve. Messiahs are rarely appreciated in their own land. ;D
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Or... to put it another way- you've won Stevie Boy... hands down!! ;D Well done! ;)
:)
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The way that I look at it Solar Steve has a legal responsibility for the H&S of his network of subcontractors hence why the training day has been put in place. He is only interested in subs to cover the postcode areas he wants covered that are willing to pay to attend the training day which is fare enough if you want the opportunity to be given work from him.
Nobody is twisting your arm as either you want to work for him or you don't ;D
+1
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
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I'd rather follow a muck spreader!
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D Loving that! Not sure as I'm in the 'great' category yet though!
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
It's not that long ago the main moderator was never finished plastering requirements for contractors all over this place!!
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
It's not that long ago the main moderator was never finished plastering requirements for contractors all over this place!!
Yeah, but in order to sub for DM you didn't have to attend a £200 + VAT "training course".
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
It's not that long ago the main moderator was never finished plastering requirements for contractors all over this place!!
Yeah, but in order to sub for DM you didn't have to attend a £200 + VAT "training course".
I'd happily attend the course, at £200 it has to be the biggest bargain in CIU history. The cost of One decent local paper advert and you gain a large geographical area for the UK's leading and most prominent Solar Panel cleaning contractor!!
Just £200 buys you the knowledge that has cost probably hundreds of hours in research, you can apply it to any solar panel cleaning you do and the open and continuous possibility of contracting for good priced work. Bargain!! ;)
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Good priced work?
You mean sub contracting for someone. Whats wrong with getting better priced work yourself and not having to pay the middle man? I have never ever understood the desire to sub-contract for someone else, I mean why bother being self employed in the first place.
Are you in need of work?
Can't you secure your own?
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Good priced work?
You mean sub contracting for someone. Whats wrong with getting better priced work yourself and not having to pay the middle man? I have never ever understood the desire to sub-contract for someone else, I mean why bother being self employed in the first place.
Are you in need of work?
Can't you secure your own?
I'm in need of no work, however, my mind stretches beyond the scope of myself and indeed my immediate and current circumstances. I wouldn't go out of my way to clean any domestic solar array- even my own customers. I would however go out of my way to clean larger solar arrays provided the money was right. Even then, it's still my choice whether the money is right or not. If I was to get asked independently of Solar Steve to clean a solar array, I would still have that knowledge gained to take forward with me. It's more likely that in Steve's position and experience, he can price commercial arrays at a price that leaves both him and the contractor with a big smile on their faces. ;)
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199 +vat is 6 credit card size ads in a free paper (6 weeks) I did this two years ago to give it a try , we got no work from it not one job at all
3000+ vat is what a paid to get the post office to drop me 4000 leaflets with the early morning post , we got 2k worth of work back and only 7 regaular jobs utter rubbish
now 199 + vat seems cheap and worth a gamble to me its 100% tax able so youll get this back at the end of the year and if hes doing the hard work getting the work I am in ! if I got my cash back plus 70% then in the first 6 months its paid for itself anything after that is profit
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199 +vat is 6 credit card size ads in a free paper (6 weeks) I did this two years ago to give it a try , we got no work from it not one job at all
3000+ vat is what a paid to get the post office to drop me 4000 leaflets with the early morning post , we got 2k worth of work back and only 7 regaular jobs utter rubbish
now 199 + vat seems cheap and worth a gamble to me its 100% tax able so youll get this back at the end of the year and if hes doing the hard work getting the work I am in ! if I got my cash back plus 70% then in the first 6 months its paid for itself anything after that is profit
If only it worked like that!
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Agree Deege,
Darran
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Agree Deege,
Darran
it all comes back, we have to be vat reg , and at the end of the year our accountant pulls his hair out trying to find things to off set agains tax/vat , the more you earn the more off sets you need so rather then giving the tax man it I would rather try other things
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Sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever
Darran
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the more you earn the more off sets you need so rather then giving the tax man it I would rather try other things
You're not entirely clued up with all things mathematical are you.
You pay 29% tax and N.I. on income, leaving 71% for you.
I'd rather keep 71% personal and 29% to HMRC rather than on the other hand giving 100% to a supplier or service provider. This is why keeping expenses down to a minimum is usually seen as a good thing. Try it, you'll have more money in your pocket, guaranteed.
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
It's not that long ago the main moderator was never finished plastering requirements for contractors all over this place!!
Yeah, but in order to sub for DM you didn't have to attend a £200 + VAT "training course".
I'd happily attend the course, at £200 it has to be the biggest bargain in CIU history. The cost of One decent local paper advert and you gain a large geographical area for the UK's leading and most prominent Solar Panel cleaning contractor!!
Just £200 buys you the knowledge that has cost probably hundreds of hours in research, you can apply it to any solar panel cleaning you do and the open and continuous possibility of contracting for good priced work. Bargain!! ;)
You said that a moderator was asking for subbies and the implication was that if it was ok for him, it ought to be ok for SS. I was pointing out to you the difference. With DM you didn't have to pay £200 to get the work, with SS you do. Effectively SS is therefore advertising his course (though he doesn't mention it unless prompted) because he has already been told not to advertise. If you need the work and think it's worth a punt, then fine, but it doesn't alter the fact that he's selling directly to the forum members and not paying to afpdvertise.
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Well ................ Technically that is correct
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
It's not that long ago the main moderator was never finished plastering requirements for contractors all over this place!!
Yeah, but in order to sub for DM you didn't have to attend a £200 + VAT "training course".
I'd happily attend the course, at £200 it has to be the biggest bargain in CIU history. The cost of One decent local paper advert and you gain a large geographical area for the UK's leading and most prominent Solar Panel cleaning contractor!!
Just £200 buys you the knowledge that has cost probably hundreds of hours in research, you can apply it to any solar panel cleaning you do and the open and continuous possibility of contracting for good priced work. Bargain!! ;)
You said that a moderator was asking for subbies and the implication was that if it was ok for him, it ought to be ok for SS. I was pointing out to you the difference. With DM you didn't have to pay £200 to get the work, with SS you do. Effectively SS is therefore advertising his course (though he doesn't mention it unless prompted) because he has already been told not to advertise. If you need the work and think it's worth a punt, then fine, but it doesn't alter the fact that he's selling directly to the forum members and not paying to afpdvertise.
Do you think DM didn't receive any money for the work he advertised on here? DM was advertising opportunities that made him money as a direct result of that action. He was selling his business as a service provider to sub contractors.
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You're only going to save around 20% of the initial outlay on tax at the end of the year
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Mr Rhino, would you consider SS to be competition? Or would you just not bother entering into a tendering process if you knew his business had also been invited to tender for a commercial panel cleaning job?
Knowing what you know about the prices that are often quoted on here.
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You're only going to save around 20% of the initial outlay on tax at the end of the year
I wish I only paid 20% tax ive been a higher tax payer for years ;)
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You're only going to save around 20% of the initial outlay on tax at the end of the year
I wish I only paid 20% tax ive been a higher tax payer for years ;)
More fool you !
Best find a better accountant ;)
Darran
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I don't think anyone is asking Steve to divulge contacts, or even how to get solar panel cleaning work, from reading many have asked questions more to do with the dangers of cleaning solar panels to which Steve appears to be more antagonistic rather than helpful. ( just my impression from reading threads)
For my part, if Steve required a sub-contractor in the far reaches of Norfolk then I'm happy to have an adult, business style conversation about it.
Darran
We do need an Approved Contractor for Norfolk if you are interested.
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
It's not that long ago the main moderator was never finished plastering requirements for contractors all over this place!!
Yeah, but in order to sub for DM you didn't have to attend a £200 + VAT "training course".
I'd happily attend the course, at £200 it has to be the biggest bargain in CIU history. The cost of One decent local paper advert and you gain a large geographical area for the UK's leading and most prominent Solar Panel cleaning contractor!!
Just £200 buys you the knowledge that has cost probably hundreds of hours in research, you can apply it to any solar panel cleaning you do and the open and continuous possibility of contracting for good priced work. Bargain!! ;)
Where are you Chumbucket? We still have a few gaps in our UK coverage. Not many though.
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Good priced work?
You mean sub contracting for someone. Whats wrong with getting better priced work yourself and not having to pay the middle man? I have never ever understood the desire to sub-contract for someone else, I mean why bother being self employed in the first place.
Are you in need of work?
Can't you secure your own?
I'm in need of no work, however, my mind stretches beyond the scope of myself and indeed my immediate and current circumstances. I wouldn't go out of my way to clean any domestic solar array- even my own customers. I would however go out of my way to clean larger solar arrays provided the money was right. Even then, it's still my choice whether the money is right or not. If I was to get asked independently of Solar Steve to clean a solar array, I would still have that knowledge gained to take forward with me. It's more likely that in Steve's position and experience, he can price commercial arrays at a price that leaves both him and the contractor with a big smile on their faces. ;)
Just flown back from Cornwall to Birmingham and have done a deal with a company to clean around 180,000 panels. They have used a window cleaning company to do some panel cleaning for them already. We are 25% higher than their price, but he want US for who we are and they intend to secure another portfolio too. They have a better chance of securing their work if we are their panel cleaning partner. That's their words, not mine. Another HUGE reason in their minds why they trust us with so much work is that we can guarantee that all of our workforce has been, guess what.... Trained. They know it is self-accredited, but to their minds, that's enough. We have still done more than anyone out there in the UK to set a standard.
They said they spoke to other companies about their expertise in this field and always wanted to speak to me last. They spoke to many other companies but wanted to be sure that there was a difference between me and 'the competition'. They said there wasn't a difference, there was 'a gulf'.
All the grief I have received on this and other forums over the last few years is a pointless waste of everyone's breath. I know what I am doing and know what this industry wants. To hear such positive comments about me and my business from one of the most well-respected solar companies in the South West has made all of the grief worthwhile. :)
But thank you for the grief. It has been a motivating factor for me. :)
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the more you earn the more off sets you need so rather then giving the tax man it I would rather try other things
You're not entirely clued up with all things mathematical are you.
You pay 29% tax and N.I. on income, leaving 71% for you.
I'd rather keep 71% personal and 29% to HMRC rather than on the other hand giving 100% to a supplier or service provider. This is why keeping expenses down to a minimum is usually seen as a good thing. Try it, you'll have more money in your pocket, guaranteed.
I think it depends on your viewpoint. Keeping expenses to a minimum is no good if you want to expand your business. The £200 for training is just another essential business expense in many people's minds. They view training , including training in new fields as essential as putting diesel in your van. It's not optional, it's essential if you are running a business.
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I don't think anyone is asking Steve to divulge contacts, or even how to get solar panel cleaning work, from reading many have asked questions more to do with the dangers of cleaning solar panels to which Steve appears to be more antagonistic rather than helpful. ( just my impression from reading threads)
For my part, if Steve required a sub-contractor in the far reaches of Norfolk then I'm happy to have an adult, business style conversation about it.
Darran
We do need an Approved Contractor for Norfolk if you are interested.
If your stuck, then I'm always happy to help out.
But we would have to have a serious discussion regarding "approved" and "pricing"
Cheers
Darran
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Isn't it time that this was locked to stop him bumping the thread??
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the more you earn the more off sets you need so rather then giving the tax man it I would rather try other things
You're not entirely clued up with all things mathematical are you.
You pay 29% tax and N.I. on income, leaving 71% for you.
I'd rather keep 71% personal and 29% to HMRC rather than on the other hand giving 100% to a supplier or service provider. This is why keeping expenses down to a minimum is usually seen as a good thing. Try it, you'll have more money in your pocket, guaranteed.
I think it depends on your viewpoint. Keeping expenses to a minimum is no good if you want to expand your business. The £200 for training is just another essential business expense in many people's minds. They view training , including training in new fields as essential as putting diesel in your van. It's not optional, it's essential if you are running a business.
The level of expenses any business incurs is optional. Susan's a bit thick when it comes to figures, you should read her back posts if you think she knows what she's talking about.
I'm in business to make money - not give it away, lose it, squander it or fritter it unnecessarily.
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Isn't it time that this was locked to stop him bumping the thread??
Where else would SS advertise his business apart from forums where people are window cleaners. I'd guess that he wouldn't be able to tap subcontractors up if it weren't for the free advertising he gets on the forums.
I'd love to know how much this Cornish farm is paying regarding SS's 25% higher price. Even if he was charging just 10p extra per panel they would be coughing up 18 grand more than their other cleaner.
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the more you earn the more off sets you need so rather then giving the tax man it I would rather try other things
You're not entirely clued up with all things mathematical are you.
You pay 29% tax and N.I. on income, leaving 71% for you.
I'd rather keep 71% personal and 29% to HMRC rather than on the other hand giving 100% to a supplier or service provider. This is why keeping expenses down to a minimum is usually seen as a good thing. Try it, you'll have more money in your pocket, guaranteed.
I think it depends on your viewpoint. Keeping expenses to a minimum is no good if you want to expand your business. The £200 for training is just another essential business expense in many people's minds. They view training , including training in new fields as essential as putting diesel in your van. It's not optional, it's essential if you are running a business.
The level of expenses any business incurs is optional. Susan's a bit thick when it comes to figures, you should read her back posts if you think she knows what she's talking about.
I'm in business to make money - not give it away, lose it, squander it or fritter it unnecessarily.
She's been paying 40% tax for ages, wink wink. Yeah pull the other one!
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Great to see Steve doing so well.
The rest of you can keep mocking him and getting nowhere fast.
Or you can try and follow great men like us ;D
;D
No picture without punch let me share the same stop light so us stars can shine together. Excuse me I want to herl.
;D
Moderators note: Hi Steve - I noticed this post has brought this thread back to the top - I'm glad you're doing well but if you are interested in advertising please contact advertising@cleanitup.co.uk.
It's not that long ago the main moderator was never finished plastering requirements for contractors all over this place!!
Yeah, but in order to sub for DM you didn't have to attend a £200 + VAT "training course".
I'd happily attend the course, at £200 it has to be the biggest bargain in CIU history. The cost of One decent local paper advert and you gain a large geographical area for the UK's leading and most prominent Solar Panel cleaning contractor!!
Just £200 buys you the knowledge that has cost probably hundreds of hours in research, you can apply it to any solar panel cleaning you do and the open and continuous possibility of contracting for good priced work. Bargain!! ;)
Where are you Chumbucket? We still have a few gaps in our UK coverage. Not many though.
Scottish borders / Northumberland. Approx 1.5 hours from Newcastle and 1 hour from Edinburgh and everything in between.
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Just flown back from Cornwall to Birmingham and have done a deal with a company to clean around 180,000 panels.
Ive just bought a helicopter for pricing work purposes.
I think airplanes are so 'yesterday'. If you want to 'borrow' the chopper any time feel free to ask Stevie. When I say 'borrow' I mean hire. After you've been on the course. Its a course about how to be an advanced helicopter passenger. An 'approved' helicopter passenger I hasten to add. Its £14,500 and I run it. Would you like to me to forward you an application form? If so, just e-mail me via my website. ;D
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Just flown back from Cornwall to Birmingham and have done a deal with a company to clean around 180,000 panels.
Ive just bought a helicopter for pricing work purposes.
I think airplanes are so 'yesterday'. If you want to 'borrow' the chopper any time feel free to ask Stevie. When I say 'borrow' I mean hire. After you've been on the course. Its a course about how to be an advanced helicopter passenger. An 'approved' helicopter passenger I hasten to add. Its £14,500 and I run it. Would you like to me to forward you an application form? If so, just e-mail me via my website. ;D
Did you teach yourself to fly it ;D
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Yea, I did.
Does that matter? ;D
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That's a cracker !
Darran
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I just flew out to kick a crapping cat off my lawn.
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Yea, I did.
Does that matter? ;D
Quality ;D
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Isn't it time that this was locked to stop him bumping the thread??
Where else would SS advertise his business apart from forums where people are window cleaners. I'd guess that he wouldn't be able to tap subcontractors up if it weren't for the free advertising he gets on the forums.
I'd love to know how much this Cornish farm is paying regarding SS's 25% higher price. Even if he was charging just 10p extra per panel they would be coughing up 18 grand more than their other cleaner.
I pay for advertising on other forums.
Moderator's note - Locked