Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: 8weekly on September 10, 2015, 07:56:14 am
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I'm still trying to find a second van. I want something presentable and have a budget of about 8k, but when you look at vans from dealers they are pretty dire for that money inc the VAT. Typically an 08 Transit with 80,000 miles or more and very tired looking inside. Or a newer one with well over 100,000 on the clock. Bearing in mind you can pick up a new one for £15k plus the VAT I can't see how they are intrinsically worth the money. I'm now thinking a new or nearly new with finance and let no one else drive it!
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We bought a nearly new, but a cat d insurance ! Saved over 8k on it, and has never missed a beat apart from the odd mishap.
I knew I would never resell the van, so I will buy a similar cat D when this conks out ;D
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There was no VAT either, so saved a bit there too ! Place was in Wolverhamton, was an insurance damaged place with loads of vans.
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brand new fiat doblo maxi http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/fiat/doblo/2015-fiat-doblo-1-3-multijet-16v-sx-van-diesel-broomhall-vfpa-2c929a794f97881f014f9b5eb6121c3c/price/8000/9999/makemodel/make/fiat/model/doblo-cargo/model/doblo
or if you want something cheap
http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/vauxhall/combo/2006-vauxhall-combo-1-3cdti-16v-2000-panel-van-1248cc-diesel-newark-vfpa-8ad0cd074e4db082014e4de4a29e11cf/makemodel/make/vauxhall/model/combo
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A van is only a piece of equipment and the majority of trades treat them as nothing more than that, so getting a clean
second hand one that has been well looked after is hard to achieve.
If your doing well in this game there no reason why you cant buy new and replace every 3 or 4 years at very little cost, that new
Van you where talking about at £18000, keep it 4 years and replace your talking about £1500 to £2000 a year depending on finance.
Even if you bought an old banger at £3000 and keep it for three years and scrap it that's a £1000 a year.
The secrete is to treat it as a piece of equipment and don't waste money water proofing the insides and all the other rubbish
(alloys ::)roll) that some people seem to think you need in a work van.
Put pen to paper do a few calculations and you will see what I mean and don't worry who's going to drive it do those overpriced
used vans not tell you something.
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brand new fiat doblo maxi http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/fiat/doblo/2015-fiat-doblo-1-3-multijet-16v-sx-van-diesel-broomhall-vfpa-2c929a794f97881f014f9b5eb6121c3c/price/8000/9999/makemodel/make/fiat/model/doblo-cargo/model/doblo
or if you want something cheap
http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/vauxhall/combo/2006-vauxhall-combo-1-3cdti-16v-2000-panel-van-1248cc-diesel-newark-vfpa-8ad0cd074e4db082014e4de4a29e11cf/makemodel/make/vauxhall/model/combo
Needs to be two man, so neither of those would be up to it.
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I recently brought a high mileage (128.000) Citroen Dispatch one previous owner with fsh on a 11 plate. It looks new inside and outside. Passed mot no problem too! I paid £5,700 including vat! I personally wouldn't buy new because you lose too many ££'s!
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How much?!?! :o
I spent £3.5k a couple of years back on a 06 transit with 39k on the clock!! (Private)
Good clean inside & out, re plylined, wax & t cut (i'm sad) and waxyoiled it...
Only thing that has come up over the past 2mot's is pads & discs and a cv joint (its fwd)
Look on auto trader etc...you'll find a beaut if you look hard enough, for that money mate
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A van is only a piece of equipment and the majority of trades treat them as nothing more than that, so getting a clean
second hand one that has been well looked after is hard to achieve.
If your doing well in this game there no reason why you cant buy new and replace every 3 or 4 years at very little cost, that new
Van you where talking about at £18000, keep it 4 years and replace your talking about £1500 to £2000 a year depending on finance.
Even if you bought an old banger at £3000 and keep it for three years and scrap it that's a £1000 a year.
The secrete is to treat it as a piece of equipment and don't waste money water proofing the insides and all the other rubbish
(alloys ::)roll) that some people seem to think you need in a work van.
Put pen to paper do a few calculations and you will see what I mean and don't worry who's going to drive it do those overpriced
used vans not tell you something.
I agree with most of that.
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How much?!?! :o
I spent £3.5k a couple of years back on a 06 transit with 39k on the clock!! (Private)
Good clean inside & out, re plylined, wax & t cut (i'm sad) and waxyoiled it...
Only thing that has come up over the past 2mot's is pads & discs and a cv joint (its fwd)
Look on auto trader etc...you'll find a beaut if you look hard enough, for that money mate
I've been looking for weeks. My Boxer was private. £5k with 50,000 miles and in superb condition & I've not seen anything advertised to touch it.
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A van is only a piece of equipment and the majority of trades treat them as nothing more than that, so getting a clean
second hand one that has been well looked after is hard to achieve.
If your doing well in this game there no reason why you cant buy new and replace every 3 or 4 years at very little cost, that new
Van you where talking about at £18000, keep it 4 years and replace your talking about £1500 to £2000 a year depending on finance.
Even if you bought an old banger at £3000 and keep it for three years and scrap it that's a £1000 a year.
The secrete is to treat it as a piece of equipment and don't waste money water proofing the insides and all the other rubbish
(alloys ::)roll) that some people seem to think you need in a work van.
Put pen to paper do a few calculations and you will see what I mean and don't worry who's going to drive it do those overpriced
used vans not tell you something.
i bought a 9 year old transit connect(LWB T230) last year with 95000 on the clock for£2,400(no VAT).spent £600 on it straight away(4 new tyres,battery,cambelt change,fuel and filter change) so 3k altogether.
i fully expect it to last me 5 years with minimal repairs driving approx 3000 miles a year.it is in great condition for year.clean and tidy.i have had a new starter motor and alternator fitted though in the last year and new front brakes but the cost is minimal due to good local cheap garage.
and it came fitted with alloys! ;D
no waterproofing.ive just put cheap rubber mats down in the back and a bit of plywood to secure my reel.brand new tank and frame (£500 including fitting)and £500 for signwriting and part vinyl wrap.
so ive spent 4k on van,signwriting/wrap and new tank and frame fitted.
you dont have to spend a lot to have a half decent set up! :)
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I'm still trying to find a second van. I want something presentable and have a budget of about 8k, but when you look at vans from dealers they are pretty dire for that money inc the VAT. Typically an 08 Transit with 80,000 miles or more and very tired looking inside. Or a newer one with well over 100,000 on the clock. Bearing in mind you can pick up a new one for £15k plus the VAT I can't see how they are intrinsically worth the money. I'm now thinking a new or nearly new with finance and let no one else drive it!
I think if business is going well its worth buying new or nearly new. Its good for tax reasons, its good for warranty reasons and after 3 years get a new one. Plus you're not spending out all that money in one go, pay monthly. When you look at what lots of trades have to pay for their work premises a monthly van payment is nothing.
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I'm still trying to find a second van. I want something presentable and have a budget of about 8k, but when you look at vans from dealers they are pretty dire for that money inc the VAT. Typically an 08 Transit with 80,000 miles or more and very tired looking inside. Or a newer one with well over 100,000 on the clock. Bearing in mind you can pick up a new one for £15k plus the VAT I can't see how they are intrinsically worth the money. I'm now thinking a new or nearly new with finance and let no one else drive it!
If you already have the 8K saved why not take a loan over 2 years and get a new or nearly new van? A 10K loan over two years you will only pay around £350 in interest, depending on your circumstances.
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A van is only a piece of equipment and the majority of trades treat them as nothing more than that, so getting a clean
second hand one that has been well looked after is hard to achieve.
If your doing well in this game there no reason why you cant buy new and replace every 3 or 4 years at very little cost, that new
Van you where talking about at £18000, keep it 4 years and replace your talking about £1500 to £2000 a year depending on finance.
Even if you bought an old banger at £3000 and keep it for three years and scrap it that's a £1000 a year.
The secrete is to treat it as a piece of equipment and don't waste money water proofing the insides and all the other rubbish
(alloys ::)roll) that some people seem to think you need in a work van.
Put pen to paper do a few calculations and you will see what I mean and don't worry who's going to drive it do those overpriced
used vans not tell you something.
Precisely why I went for a new one recently. I was sick and tired of my old one letting me down. I did my sums. I took the last three years, added up the repair bills, off road time, cost of hiring replacements, the slower earnings of working from a backpack from a hire van (not to mention ther extra body strain) and factored factored in the extra tax relief of a new one - not to mention the lower fuel consumption (discovered that bit since I got it). I reckon that I'm shelling out an extra £140 a month more than running my old one. What's that - two extra houses a week? I do intend to look after it though and have waterproofed it. My highest mileage is 10k a year. Keep it 7 years I reckon (70,000 miles) and there will still be a reasonable van to put toward the next one.
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£140 a month extra over 5 years is £8,400.thats 4 luxury holidays for me and the missus in 5 star hotels! ;D
each to their own.i cant justify spending a lot on a van that does 3000 miles a year (just used for work).
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£140 a month extra over 5 years is £8,400.thats 4 luxury holidays for me and the missus in 5 star hotels! ;D
each to their own.i cant justify spending a lot on a van that does 3000 miles a year (just used for work).
You nailed it with the mileage Daz. I need reliability. I already have a high debt level even before taking this on. I have room to turn over another £800 to £1k a month - gaps that I'm gradually filling. The unreliable van was stopping that. Give it 3 or 4 years and I'll be able to have some reasonable holidays again; a 5 star tent in a field :)
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£140 a month extra over 5 years is £8,400.thats 4 luxury holidays for me and the missus in 5 star hotels! ;D
each to their own.i cant justify spending a lot on a van that does 3000 miles a year (just used for work).
3000 miles a year 😀. My new vans 10 months old and has done 10,000 miles already.
Getting a brand new van was the single best decision I made for my business.
Also you are forgetting to take into consideration the cost of lost work when your older van is off the road. You book a day off a year for its Mot and lose another 2 days a year due to various other problems is 3 days a year at £200 a day x 5 years = £3000. I know you'll say you don't lose 3 days a year but I'd bet that you do.
It's horses for courses but I'll not be driving a van that's older than 4 years old from now on.
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£140 a month extra over 5 years is £8,400.thats 4 luxury holidays for me and the missus in 5 star hotels! ;D
each to their own.i cant justify spending a lot on a van that does 3000 miles a year (just used for work).
You nailed it with the mileage Daz. I need reliability. I already have a high debt level even before taking this on. I have room to turn over another £800 to £1k a month - gaps that I'm gradually filling. The unreliable van was stopping that. Give it 3 or 4 years and I'll be able to have some reasonable holidays again; a 5 star tent in a field :)
enjoy your new van mate.you should have relatively trouble free motoring for the foreseeable future now. :)
i hope your filling up your round now with good domestic jobs rather than commercial mate.i know you ve been in this game even longer than me(by 2 years i think!).it must of been a heavy hit losing some of your big commercial contract work esp if you had debts to pay off? :(
all the best
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£140 a month extra over 5 years is £8,400.thats 4 luxury holidays for me and the missus in 5 star hotels! ;D
each to their own.i cant justify spending a lot on a van that does 3000 miles a year (just used for work).
3000 miles a year 😀. My new vans 10 months old and has done 10,000 miles already.
Getting a brand new van was the single best decision I made for my business.
Also you are forgetting to take into consideration the cost of lost work when your older van is off the road. You book a day off a year for its Mot and lose another 2 days a year due to various other problems is 3 days a year at £200 a day x 5 years = £3000. I know you'll say you don't lose 3 days a year but I'd bet that you do.
It's horses for courses but I'll not be driving a van that's older than 4 years old from now on.
like i said each to their own danny.we have very different workloads and types of work.i also dont work 5 days a week EVERY WEEK over the course of a year so a few days for MOT/repairs is nothing and doesnt affect my overall yearly income at all.
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£140 a month extra over 5 years is £8,400.thats 4 luxury holidays for me and the missus in 5 star hotels! ;D
each to their own.i cant justify spending a lot on a van that does 3000 miles a year (just used for work).
You nailed it with the mileage Daz. I need reliability. I already have a high debt level even before taking this on. I have room to turn over another £800 to £1k a month - gaps that I'm gradually filling. The unreliable van was stopping that. Give it 3 or 4 years and I'll be able to have some reasonable holidays again; a 5 star tent in a field :)
enjoy your new van mate.you should have relatively trouble free motoring for the foreseeable future now. :)
i hope your filling up your round now with good domestic jobs rather than commercial mate.i know you ve been in this game even longer than me(by 2 years i think!).it must of been a heavy hit losing some of your big commercial contract work esp if you had debts to pay off? :(
all the best
Losing those big chunks of work in quick succession did hit me badly Daz, and it took quite a while to make it up in £12 - £25 houses. Indeed, it would be tricky to fully make it up as some of the commercial work was out of hours. The mistake wasn't in it being commercial work though - it was because I subcontracted much of it from other companies. When one company changed the way it did things, that was quite a number of jobs went in one hit. When a second did similar, that was another load gone. One of them didn't even pay up as they folded. That's old history now though. In the long term, it's not so bad because when subcontracting that much work, I had to dance to too many tunes that weren't my own. I had to meet the contractors' requirements as well as their individual customers'; not good for someone who values creating his own work environment. I still do subcontract a little but it's not regular - more about it being a bit of extra work, rather than something that my regular income depends upon.
However, taking commercial work on when it's my own work is still a viable option.
It's quite freeing to be driving something and not worrying about it breaking down.
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You can get a fantastic van for 8k private sale and the possibility of not paying vat also. You just need to put a little effort in.
I got a near mint 60 plate Citroen Dispatch 12 months ago for £3750 no VAT. ;)
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You can get a fantastic van for 8k private sale and the possibility of not paying vat also. You just need to put a little effort in.
I got a near mint 60 plate Citroen Dispatch 12 months ago for £3750 no VAT. ;)
It's certainly possible. If you already have a working van, you have the time to shop around more. Next time I change my van, I'll make sure I don't wait until the previous one has stopped working.
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Put £8k down agains BRAND NEW - bigger than you want so you can grow your business!
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just over but hes a good sellar
http://www.vansgb.com/stock/listing/vauxhall-vivaro-2-0-2-9t-swb/
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just over but hes a good sellar
http://www.vansgb.com/stock/listing/vauxhall-vivaro-2-0-2-9t-swb/
Cheers Frankiy, nice van - I've emailed.
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I always get 3 year old vans from dealers. Still like new, but you don't mind too much if you bump it.
You might as well get something nice and long lasting and pay a bit more for it., don't mess about.
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just over but hes a good sellar
http://www.vansgb.com/stock/listing/vauxhall-vivaro-2-0-2-9t-swb/
Cheers Frankiy, nice van - I've emailed.
brought my van from them and never had a problems
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did you get reply ?
you need to speak to bryan
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did you get reply ?
you need to speak to bryan
No, didn't get one. Going to look at this one tomorrow.
http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/vauxhall/vivaro/2010-vauxhall-vivaro-2-0cdti-90ps-2700-euro-iv-swb-panel-van-1995cc-diesel-reading-vfpa-2c929b9c4facf53d014fbe310a6333f9/makemodel/make/vauxhall/model/vivaro/bodytype/panel-van/mileage/35000/59999/registrationyear/2009/2011
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8 weekly, can I ask you why you are going for a 2man set up in a vivaro? you said its to be a second van so are you employing 2 men to work out of it doing residential window cleaning?
that vivaro van is a 2700 so has about a 1000kg payload which is the same as the fiat doblo maxi I put the link up for which you dismissed? it also has the same bhp
and with going to a second van surely you will be claiming back the vat in the near future?
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8 weekly, can I ask you why you are going for a 2man set up in a vivaro? you said its to be a second van so are you employing 2 men to work out of it doing residential window cleaning?
that vivaro van is a 2700 so has about a 1000kg payload which is the same as the fiat doblo maxi I put the link up for which you dismissed? it also has the same bhp
and with going to a second van surely you will be claiming back the vat in the near future?
Didn't get that one but bought a 290 Transit Custom with a payload of 1160. You are correct about VAT. I went limited in April so that deferred VAT registration until I hit the threshold this year. At that point I can claim back the VAT on the one I'm buying. Regardless of that, if I could have saved the VAT right now I would have been happier than claiming back later.
It won't initially be a two man van, but it will be eventually and occasionally in the short term.
http://www.autoplaza.co.uk/ford-transit-centre/used-vans/4875599-ford-transit-custom-custom-290-lr-100-ps/
The salesman is is friend and I got £500 off the price plus 4.9% on the balance. No aircon though. Maybe for the next one.
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8 weekly, can I ask you why you are going for a 2man set up in a vivaro? you said its to be a second van so are you employing 2 men to work out of it doing residential window cleaning?
that vivaro van is a 2700 so has about a 1000kg payload which is the same as the fiat doblo maxi I put the link up for which you dismissed? it also has the same bhp
and with going to a second van surely you will be claiming back the vat in the near future?
Didn't get that one but bought a 290 Transit Custom with a payload of 1160. You are correct about VAT. I went limited in April so that deferred VAT registration until I hit the threshold this year. At that point I can claim back the VAT on the one I'm buying. Regardless of that, if I could have saved the VAT right now I would have been happier than claiming back later.
It won't initially be a two man van, but it will be eventually and occasionally in the short term.
http://www.autoplaza.co.uk/ford-transit-centre/used-vans/4875599-ford-transit-custom-custom-290-lr-100-ps/
The salesman is is friend and I got £500 off the price plus 4.9% on the balance. No aircon though. Maybe for the next one.
4.9% on the balance aint great and there will probably be an arrangement fee added on as well, have you worked out how much you are paying in interest and other fees? As I said in an earlier post bank loans are around 3.5% at the moment and there are no additional fees, I took out a 14K loan recently for a car and I will only be paying £508 in interest over 2 years.......Oh and using a bank loan the van will belongs to you not the finance company.
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8 weekly, can I ask you why you are going for a 2man set up in a vivaro? you said its to be a second van so are you employing 2 men to work out of it doing residential window cleaning?
that vivaro van is a 2700 so has about a 1000kg payload which is the same as the fiat doblo maxi I put the link up for which you dismissed? it also has the same bhp
and with going to a second van surely you will be claiming back the vat in the near future?
Didn't get that one but bought a 290 Transit Custom with a payload of 1160. You are correct about VAT. I went limited in April so that deferred VAT registration until I hit the threshold this year. At that point I can claim back the VAT on the one I'm buying. Regardless of that, if I could have saved the VAT right now I would have been happier than claiming back later.
It won't initially be a two man van, but it will be eventually and occasionally in the short term.
http://www.autoplaza.co.uk/ford-transit-centre/used-vans/4875599-ford-transit-custom-custom-290-lr-100-ps/
The salesman is is friend and I got £500 off the price plus 4.9% on the balance. No aircon though. Maybe for the next one.
4.9% on the balance aint great and there will probably be an arrangement fee added on as well, have you worked out how much you are paying in interest and other fees? As I said in an earlier post bank loans are around 3.5% at the moment and there are no additional fees, I took out a 10K loan recently for a car and I will only be paying £508 in interest over 2 years.......Oh and using a bank loan the van will belongs to you not the finance company.
As a limited company banking with Nat West the only option was finance through Lombard Asset Finance. Companies can't get personal loans. Lombard were offering 6.8%.
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6.8% :o :o 4.9% doesn't seem so bad after all. Good luck with the new van, I have a custom myself, great vans.
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just bought two ex aa transits vans from bca both on 11 regs both had under 60k on the clock give 5k +vat for them full history , all new everything and because they carry passengers they mint inside to limited to 67 and 6 speed ;D
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8weekly what sort of business are you running? residential window cleaning or are you more large commercial or are you concentrating on other things pressure washing etc?
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8weekly what sort of business are you running? residential window cleaning or are you more large commercial or are you concentrating on other things pressure washing etc?
90% residential, but will be looking to increase the percentage of commercial once the second van frees me some time to cold call. I have no interest in pressure washing or gutter machines.
The strategy with the vans is that as work comes in the vans move to two man until they reach breaking point at which time I buy another van and it reverts to one man until it builds again and so on. So, 850 litre tank (filled to 750 usually with two men or 500 with one man). 1,000 payload is a bit light. Are you on a commission? ;D
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comission lol no I was just interested in your plan, I actually run 3x combo vans which are about 775kg payloads with 500l custom baffled tanks 1 man per van (no they are not overweight before anyone says they are), 2 man in 1 van isn't as profitable in my business and we are 95 percent residential, I don't see the point in big vans with window cleaning they are just not needed
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I actually run 3x combo vans which are about 775kg payloads with 500l custom baffled tanks 1 man per van (no they are not overweight before anyone says they are)
I don't doubt that it can be done if equipment is kept to a minimum, fuel tank is always well below full. There might even be a case for removing the spare wheel so long as another van can nip back to base for it if a puncture occurs.
I would love to be a fly on the wall at one of your interviews though :) .
First question on the application form: How much do you weigh? A set of scales in the corner of the interview room.
Contract of employment: All staff must take a dump before entering a work vehicle. No eating at work. Customer payments are only to be accepted as banknotes or cheques; all coins must be refused :)
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the vans are not overweight when the tanks are full, the fuel tank is full and all equipment is on board and the worker, checked on a weighbridge,
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the vans are not overweight when the tanks are full, the fuel tank is full and all equipment is on board and the worker, checked on a weighbridge,
i must be well under then with a full 500L tank,equipment and me in the morning(900kg payload).thanks for the heads up scrimble! :)
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the vans are not overweight when the tanks are full, the fuel tank is full and all equipment is on board and the worker, checked on a weighbridge,
I'm surprised. I would have thought that the fuel level would need to be kept down a bit.
Hey Scrimble. Not knocking you. It was just a bit of humour.
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the vans are not overweight when the tanks are full, the fuel tank is full and all equipment is on board and the worker, checked on a weighbridge,
i must be well under then with a full 500L tank,equipment and me in the morning(900kg payload).thanks for the heads up scrimble! :)
I notice you didn't mention your sandwich box Daz? ;)
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the vans are not overweight when the tanks are full, the fuel tank is full and all equipment is on board and the worker, checked on a weighbridge,
I'm surprised. I would have thought that the fuel level would need to be kept down a bit.
Hey Scrimble. Not knocking you. It was just a bit of humour.
I know and I did have a chuckle at it, Dazmond I can assue you dont carry the same equipment tank frame etc is different only way to tell is put your van on a weighbridge, I am lucky as a big job I go to they have a weigh bridge and every time I do the job the vans all get weighed before and after
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8 weekly which model of transit custom did you get because upon looking at the brochure I cant see a 290 with a payload of 1160 they are less than that, and considering you the size of your tank 750 to 800l it looks like your van is more than likely to be overweight than my combo van!
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Sorry, it's 1114. I had realised before but didn't bother to correct it. But, 800 kilos max for a tank as full as I would fill it inc. weight of tank (we only use 700 litres between us now), 170 kilos for 2 people, say 50 kilos max for two reels & equipment, = 1020 at the start of the day. Even with a full tank we'd be under at the start of the day. Thanks for your interest though. ;)
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will be overweight by a few hundred kg your underestimating how much all your equipment will weigh, you should have dug deeper and bought a better van, 330 gypo custom wouldn't be overweight
I'm really not interested I just think its funny how some of the know it alls on this forum really don't, you made digs about my combo vans being overweight when they are infact not and your van will be
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will be overweight by a few hundred kg your underestimating how much all your equipment will weigh, you should have dug deeper and bought a better van, 330 gypo custom wouldn't be overweight
I'm really not interested I just think its funny how some of the know it alls on this forum really don't, you made digs about my combo vans being overweight when they are infact not and your van will be
Yeah mate. Whatever. ;D
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missed this post some how . ;D still have my 08 transit 2.2 for sale .77 .000 miles newish mot .great cond .£5000 ono .had this for sale on here a few weeks ago £5500.put on tow bar but never used roof rack .olso .or looking for lwb dispatch or xpert .bout same miles n price .ish thanks richie
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missed this post some how . ;D still have my 08 transit 2.2 for sale .77 .000 miles newish mot .great cond .£5000 ono .had this for sale on here a few weeks ago £5500.put on tow bar but never used roof rack .olso .or looking for lwb dispatch or xpert .bout same miles n price .ish thanks richie
Too late as I bought this:
Obviously it's going to be hundreds of kilos overladen. :D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1443112707_WP_20150924_003.jpg)
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i bought a vw t5 six months old in november last year. paid 5 k down and pay £300 p/m for 4 years.
i wanted a new van and thought stuff this i'm having one. i work hard and enjoy driving a new van. treat yersel mate.