Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Positivity on August 29, 2015, 08:18:47 am
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Anyone tried re-generating their spent resin instead of binning it?
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Couldn't see it being cost effective plus some of the chemicals needed aren't the type of chemicals you would want
around your home the same goes for the waste leftover.
Not worth the hassle in my opinion.
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I do it all the time you need sulfuric acid or hydrochloric acid ( builders use to clean cent of brick work) and caustic soda. I save all my spent resin and do a 5 liter at a time maybe twice a year. I use a large water bottle which I cut the base off and added a tap to the bottle top which fits in a stand spout down.
Here is a vid and to listen to the pessimistics, nanny state police on here just use your own brains. I save myself at least 200 quid a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqz44sNprkE
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So many on here are buying recharged resin on this forum without even realizing that`s what they are paying hard cash for. Businesses will not tell you this as it makes them money, keep they dumb and exploit there ignorance.
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Some time Sean K you don`t know what you are talking about. The water over after recharging will be less harmless the than di water as it is only salty water and can go down any drain. I have tasted it and I am still alive to tell the difference. Believe me I do my homework and research it a lot befor I do thing like this.
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The caustic and acid is neutralised when mixed together. If anyone is thinking of doing it then its much easier and less hassle to keep your resin separate instead of mixed bed. That way you are eliminating the separation process before your regenerate it.
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Seemingly self regenerated resin last longer than bought mixed bed, as its not deteriorating in the bag before use.
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Seemingly self regenerated resin last longer than bought mixed bed, as its not deteriorating in the bag before use.
How do you figure that out Peter do you regenerate di resin yourself?
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Have done in the past smurf. All it needs is traces of the chemicals on say the cation resin to be left and as soon as it touches a grain of the anion resin it will discharge it. Its easier selling and using mixed bed but its open to more problems.
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Thanks Peter for that imfo as to keep the cationic and anionic separate. This would explain why so many are having problems with resin. It`s probably been store to long and badly with slow sales. I have considered using them in separate vessels for my di.
For Seam K if you mix acid and caustic together in equal strengths and parts you will produce salts the type will depend on the nature of the acid and lime in the water.
It happens so often on this forum when a nugget of knowledge is shared it`s killed by misinformed opinions not facts. I mean this in the best possible way.
Before I write something I do a lot of research, which I find interesting. Cleaning glass is a very boring thing so finding out how things work attract my interest and keeps me interested .
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What's the "Solo system" then slap bash!
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Yes slap bash was thinking that myself. Not rinsed properly I expect or stored too long before sale. Another possibility could be the fact that one of the mixed bed can't rember if its the cation or not but is more expensive than the other, and the mix might not be equal with more of the cheaper one.
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I do it all the time you need sulfuric acid or hydrochloric acid ( builders use to clean cent of brick work) and caustic soda. I save all my spent resin and do a 5 liter at a time maybe twice a year. I use a large water bottle which I cut the base off and added a tap to the bottle top which fits in a stand spout down.
Here is a vid and to listen to the pessimistics, nanny state police on here just use your own brains. I save myself at least 200 quid a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqz44sNprkE
Biggest drawback I can see is the rinsing out of the chemicals. How thoroughly do you rinse out the caustic soda? I would imagine any residue left in the resin will react with the Acid to produce salt water which will be absorbed by the resin so it will already be somewhat discharged. But probably cheaper than new resin but I expect it not to last as long as new.
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Rinsed very thourghly both resin. Very cheap to do as you can use the acid and caustic over and over again. And can last longer than shop bought resin for the reasons you just mentioned, and what I stayed above.
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our lass would kill me if i started to do this. ??? ;D
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This is all very interesting and I can see the logic in keeping the two types of resin separate but can you buy it separately in the first place?
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Yes you can buy them separatly. Don't know if it would be cost effective though if it was longevity you were after. And if it was to regenerate you would be as well starting off with mixed bed and separating it, and then keeping it separate.
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I do it all the time you need sulfuric acid or hydrochloric acid ( builders use to clean cent of brick work) and caustic soda. I save all my spent resin and do a 5 liter at a time maybe twice a year. I use a large water bottle which I cut the base off and added a tap to the bottle top which fits in a stand spout down.
Here is a vid and to listen to the pessimistics, nanny state police on here just use your own brains. I save myself at least 200 quid a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqz44sNprkE
Doesn't quite add up unfortunately 5 litre x 2 times a year = 10 litres less than half a bag = less than £40 hardly £200 pound per year saving.
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I do it all the time you need sulfuric acid or hydrochloric acid ( builders use to clean cent of brick work) and caustic soda. I save all my spent resin and do a 5 liter at a time maybe twice a year. I use a large water bottle which I cut the base off and added a tap to the bottle top which fits in a stand spout down.
Here is a vid and to listen to the pessimistics, nanny state police on here just use your own brains. I save myself at least 200 quid a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqz44sNprkE
Doesn't quite add up unfortunately 5 litre x 2 times a year = 10 litres less than half a bag = less than £40 hardly £200 pound per year saving.
He said 5 litres at a time which to me means 5 litre batches. He could do 10 batches twice a year. You're being pedantic.
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It could be set up in a garage out the way and in such a way that you don't even have to touch the chemicals. It could mean the difference in using DI only and all the advantages of that. They use atomated plants in industries that use a lot of DI water, all we need is someone to design a small one for window cleaners. It could be as simple as disconnecting a couple of hoses, reconnecting a couple of hoses, throwing a couple of switches and the jobs done.
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Take a look at the vid I have given in the threat it explains the process It not rocket science my system can process 20 liters at a time. I save up all the spent resin and do it when its 20 liters. I am not prepared to argue the pros and cons of recycling as its up to each one to decide what he wants but don`t write the process off as it is cost effective and cost me less than 2 quid to recycle 20 liters . I dont like to shear knowledge on this forum as there are just two many smart asses who would not know a bargain when they see one.
I don`t want to say too much but I have recycled and sold resin for two years and many have bought it in the past and I have never had a batch returned yet. I have had very feedback.
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Hi slap bash thanks for the info. I thought you were only treating 5 litres but as you explain you do 5 at a time in batches. Sounds interesting, even for the pedantic one. ;D ;D
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I have made one out of two 25 liter used office water bottles it in the back of my garage. All I need to fit is a hose the rinsing drain is out into the wash a way under my lawn. I do use gloves when using it.
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I've ordered the caustic soda online, hopefully I've ordered the right stuff.
Now what are you using for the"transmission flush valve"?
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I have made one out of two 25 liter used office water bottles it in the back of my garage. All I need to fit is a hose the rinsing drain is out into the wash a way under my lawn. I do use gloves when using it.
What ratios are you using if it's not the same as the vid.
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seriously some of you guys must have too much time on your hands!i couldnt be bothered messing about buying dangerous chemicals to save a few quid on resin plus the time spent re charging it.
i spend around £320 a year on resin(DI only)four 25kg bags.thats just over £6 a week.by the time you ve bought the chemicals and the faffing about how much money are you really saving? ::)roll
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seriously some of you guys must have too much time on your hands!i couldnt be bothered messing about buying dangerous chemicals to save a few quid on resin plus the time spent re charging it.
i spend around £320 a year on resin(DI only)four 25kg bags.thats just over £6 a week.by the time you ve bought the chemicals and the faffing about how much money are you really saving? ::)roll
Not everyone has the good fortune to have 30 TDS out of the tap!
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First time regenerating 5l of resin ::)roll
From getting of my arse completing the process getting cleaned up took 3 hours!
I don't know how you can do this in the back of your garage. The acid vapour was chasing me around the garden and trying to hold my breath whilst pouring 5 x the quantity of acid used in the video was proving difficult.
Is it worth it??
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I HAVE A SYSTEM WHICH HAS A LID SO ALL VAPOR GOES OUT IN THE RINSE.
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I HAVE A SYSTEM WHICH HAS A LID SO ALL VAPOR GOES OUT IN THE RINSE.
SO HOW DO YOU GET THE ACID INTO YOUR SYSTEM.
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The cos-tic flows out of the plastic tap at the bottom into a plastic bucket which I the put the lid on the fumes are only active while its working. It sounds like you are mixing your costic to strong dilute it with pure. I also dilute the acid. My system is made out of a plastic water bottle used in offices. I tip it upside down so the tap fits in the neck of the bottle at the bottom with the normal bottom faces up . I up a wet cloth over the top so I can this put the cut out bottom over the cloth. It does made gas and heat ( just worm)a bit its right a the garage side door. You need to use your head when doing these things. Check the video I posted and do as the chap says.
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seriously some of you guys must have too much time on your hands!i couldnt be bothered messing about buying dangerous chemicals to save a few quid on resin plus the time spent re charging it.
i spend around £320 a year on resin(DI only)four 25kg bags.thats just over £6 a week.by the time you ve bought the chemicals and the faffing about how much money are you really saving? ::)roll
Not everyone has the good fortune to have 30 TDS out of the tap!
true but if you ve got a high tap tds surely you use an RO and just use resin to "polish" it off down to 000
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I admire you guys for giving it a go, but far too dangerous for my liking, have enough fun throwing hypo and ammonia together :P
I agree with Daz if your tds is higher the ro will knock it down, mine goes from low 300's to 5 - make 10k of pure per week, double di and not changed resin in 12 weeks.
I'd rather window clean for those 3 hours with less risk to health and I could buy 2 bags of resin.
That's just my perspective on it, btw happy to save spent resin if anyone wants to collect it
Darran
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I have made one out of two 25 liter used office water bottles it in the back of my garage. All I need to fit is a hose the rinsing drain is out into the wash a way under my lawn. I do use gloves when using it.
What ratios are you using if it's not the same as the vid.
As nobody responded to the question I used the same ratios as the video. Caustic is caustic and there are two strengths of hydrochloric acid, I used the 36% acid.
Now when you pour the acid from its container into whatever receptacle your using the vapour has to go somewhere, so unless I have an extractor setup I wouldn't be opening the container of acid in a confined space.
I've got another 5l to recharge and I'm looking for advice from the people who have experience with this as too the quantity of 1-acid and di water 2-caustic and di water for 5l of resin, and how are you rinsing the resin?
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I admire you guys for giving it a go, but far too dangerous for my liking, have enough fun throwing hypo and ammonia together :P
I agree with Daz if your tds is higher the ro will knock it down, mine goes from low 300's to 5 - make 10k of pure per week, double di and not changed resin in 12 weeks.
I'd rather window clean for those 3 hours with less risk to health and I could buy 2 bags of resin.
That's just my perspective on it, btw happy to save spent resin if anyone wants to collect it
Darran
Some things "I" have to try and if it works out that's fine if it doesn't then I'll try and improve the way I done it. The video was for around 1l of resin for his fish tank or something, its not a practical setup for window cleaning usage.
I've got 5l of Gardiners resin @£19.20 sitting in the "cloakroom". I'm sure I can hear it laughing at me!