Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: stuart howes on May 08, 2006, 10:11:49 am
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morning all it is raining so i went out to look at this new job i have to price and i have no idea plus the guy wants a full builders clean inside windows and all rooms this house has about 35 rooms which includes 15 very big 20ft by 20ft plus size bed rooms and a basement thanks for your input on this god it makes me sick how the other half live :P :P :P ;)
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For cleaning all of the windows I can see in the picture:
Outside = £80
Inside = £120
+ 40% because the builders have been in.
TOTAL = £280
Now... Someone will reply and say "£280!!! thats far too much - I would do it all for £40".
I do quote high - I always have done but I have no shortage of work.
Andy
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Doesn't look particularly grubby, just general dirt and stickers. One bloke should do it in a short day, I'd say about £350 minimum. Leave a few cards lying around for the new owners too.
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sorry did not explain
the owners have got me to do the house as i do their friends .they would like it done after the builders clean each month so what price for that be wfp ever 4 /5 weeks outside only
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You want £350 for a short day?
Do you supply a free holiday with that as well?
So your typical week must be around the £2,000 mark? ???
As far as the house goes....no idea, it's huge!
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Oh - Perhaps I am cheap then? :)
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If it's outside only every 4/5 weeks then I would charge £80
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You want £350 for a short day?
Do you supply a free holiday with that as well?
So your typical week must be around the £2,000 mark? ???
As far as the house goes....no idea, it's huge!
For a not 'too bad' builders clean, £350 for that place is about right. If it was a sloppy cement n' plaster job I'd double that no sweat.
However, as it's not a b/clean, I'd say about £85 with wfp.
I'm off now to sh@g the maid while the missus is out at Harrods :P
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With all the rain we keep having i,m lucky if i get £350.00 A WEEK!!!!!!! let alone in a day :o
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its got to be a eat £500 for that job
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its got to be a eat £500 for that job
On some of these prices there must be more millionaires in this trade than in any other!!! :-\
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oops i meant £50 to £75
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It would take me less than 2 hours to do that
How many windows on the side that you cant see in the picture.
I have noticed the windows are sash are the bars on the outside ?
Thereis probably more on the sides you cannot see so i would pdobably pitch £70-£80
Dave
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2 hrs work max and that includes half an hours traveling time
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I clean approx 15 houses of this size or bigger at various intervals throughout the year and the cheapest one I do is £110 per clean every two months and that takes 45mins. For the house on this post they would be looking at £160 outsides £300 in/out.
regards,
Trev
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its got to be about £120 for this job - lets be real here, if you want to keep the customer a regular price of say £70 - £85 is fair and £120 for the so called builders clean (this just looks like a heavy clean NOT a cement and plaster clean!).
However if it were a full builders clean £210 to £300 would be about right....
it depends on how long you thin it'll take you and how much you want the job?
Only you can answer that one?????????
DC
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Sorry Dave but if you think you have to be cheap to keep the work then I think you are mistaken. I have quite a few houses like this and they pay for my services.
They don't question the prices as generally I have been recommended because of the quality of work not the price. I also charge a high rate because whilst I am cleaning this house which I would anticipate would take hour and half I could be elsewhere on smaller £20 hits which I would clean in the region of 6 an hour.
The one thing to bear in mind is generally people mix in similar circles to themselves and if you do a good job word of mouth counts far more than cost, if you're too cheap people will think your missing windows or not doing the job properly, am not saying this is you in anyway so please don't think I am, just generalising what people think
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spot on prices in my opinion trevor
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My experience of this type of "top of the range" property is that there is no middle ground.
They either want it done for peanuts ( because you are "only a window cleaner") or they are happy to pay well for a top class service.
This place is made for WFP (apart from the windows above the balconies)
Stuart has asked for an idea of pricing. I would go for £120 per maintenance clean. That would include all the UPVC/doors/ and probably garage doors which are a dawdle with WFP and an "added value" service to the customer.
Builders clean.. well without seeing the windows etc close up it's very hard to tell but it could well be as high as £600.00 inside and out. ( With a signed waiver re scratched glass) One thing I do with all first cleans whether they be new build or not is that if I see a scratch on a window while doing the job the window gets left and the customer gets a call regarding this. "If I havent cleaned it then it's not my fault" is the principle here. Once I get the all clear from the customer it gets done next time around.
Andrew
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This place is made for WFP (apart from the windows above the balconies)
That would include all the UPVC/doors/ and probably garage doors which are a dawdle with WFP and an "added value" service to the customer.
Andrew, do you sell WFP's by any chance? ::)
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ummmmmmmmm
There is a rumour goin around about that Squeaky mate.
Not true really coz they sell themselves :P ;D
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Sorry Dave but if you think you have to be cheap to keep the work then I think you are mistaken. I have quite a few houses like this and they pay for my services.
They don't question the prices as generally I have been recommended because of the quality of work not the price. I also charge a high rate because whilst I am cleaning this house which I would anticipate would take hour and half I could be elsewhere on smaller £20 hits which I would clean in the region of 6 an hour.
The one thing to bear in mind is generally people mix in similar circles to themselves and if you do a good job word of mouth counts far more than cost, if you're too cheap people will think your missing windows or not doing the job properly, am not saying this is you in anyway so please don't think I am, just generalising what people think
Sorry my price was for the outside only.
However i also didnt say do everything cheap - what i said was a fair price should be given if you want to get regular work, you see many people think simply because someone has a big house they can afford a massive w/c bill (this house is an exception i agree) however i have lots of big houses near me but the people arnt loaded.
sometimes i read posts on here that seem a little elitest - they remind me of when i first started and some bloke was bosting of £70K plus p/a on his own...well good luck to him is what i say, and Trevor if you can do 6 x £20 in an hour good luck to you to fella....by my calculations your earning at 7 hours a day say £700 a day (not pushing yourself) and 5 days a week = £3500 per week and 48 weeks a year (you need holidays) = £168000 per year... ok lets half it £84K per annum.... Well the tax man must be happy with that Trevor and again good luck to you fella.
However in my opinion realistic figures for any w/c should be what you are prepaired to earn in a day after tax etc i doubt many of us earn £700 a day (or even £350 day in day out) so for me id take £100 to £200 a day and be happy - infact most days are around £150 and thats ok (its about £30k p/a after tax)
assuring all of my best intentions (tounge in check) and not starting any trouble re money etc ;D
DC
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I was thinking the same...10 minutes a clean and hold your hand out for £20...I do not believe those figures.
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i have just been again to the house to prop count the windows 81 windows all together ie one window =2 sashes 35 rooms 15 bedrooms + this little bit on the side ( my whole house is not as big as this little bit ) :P
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i did a place prty much the same as this some time back! cock up on the price though kinda, i done the outside only some cement n that on the windows and done half of it in the pooring rain :'( took me 8hrs trad including 2hrs ish :o traveling there and back home he was pleased! i was slow cos o the rain ok!
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Build clean £675.00 (included wavier a must have)
in & out £225
inside only £135.00
outside ony £90.00
done every 6/8 weeks any more than that +20%
nice job perfect for a pole user
Chris
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I reckon it belongs to a dustman or KJG cleaner if he reckons he charges £350 FOR A SHORT DAY!!!!
Jon
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£110 per go including frames woodwork etc no builders clean, interior extra £100
JohnL
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I reckon it belongs to a dustman or KJG cleaner if he reckons he charges £350 FOR A SHORT DAY!!!!
Jon
How very dare you. I wouldn't be seen having a slash in a place like that :o
KJG GSc SSc BSc.
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not sure if the windows are georgian style or those pvc windows with the plastic squares inside the window, if georgian £80 if pvc £60 for regular clean, builders clean 3 times as much (assuming they are really bad) for each inside and out, simply because I dont like doing them and I would want it to be worth it, and if you think how much it would cost to build that place £500 is not very much money
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Hi,just thought I would put my two penneth worth in the hat,be very carefull on youre price,the others are saying the high price is too high,I dont think it is,I only do Builders cleans,each window is a bottom opener only,therefore access is restricted from inside,the removal of the stickers will take between 1 min and 3min,you look to have lots on each window,the higher ones you will have to use a ladder with someone to foot you,it could well take you both all day just to do that,never mind cleaning it,thats two people £20 an hour going up and down and moving ladders I would say a day and a halfs work.....wfp will not remove them stickers,white spirit and a cloth will,I have just part finnished a much bigger place converted to 24 3 bed appts,my price was too low for the time it took me,you live and learn... :'(
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BMW £50
MERC £65
Rolls Royce £85
Once a month outside only
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I quoted a house (£20) today to find out her old window cleaner used to charge her £7!!!!!!!!!!! Even though he has given up she had it in her mind that's what she should be paying, absolutely NO WAY!! Best bit was he had her and her 3 neighbours, identical houses. In the end I managed a group deal of £14 each. So, beware, he may wander down to your new job and probably would charge £15 the idiot! Why do people charge such stupid money and ruin it for the likes of us, god they make me mad >:(
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I quoted a house (£20) today to find out her old window cleaner used to charge her £7!!!!!!!!!!! Even though he has given up she had it in her mind that's what she should be paying, absolutely NO WAY!! Best bit was he had her and her 3 neighbours, identical houses. In the end I managed a group deal of £14 each. So, beware, he may wander down to your new job and probably would charge £15 the idiot! Why do people charge such stupid money and ruin it for the likes of us, god they make me mad >:(
To be fair though Trev, it's up to him what he charges, as long as he's happy with it.
Could it be that you're one of these very expensive ones on here?
I bet it's a house I wouldn't ask more than a tenner for.
3 bed detatched?
Seems a bit strange that he was a third of your price.
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3 bed detatched where i live squeak £7.50 to a tenner or £12.50 with a conservatory asked for any more and you aint got any chance of the work thats why i laugh at some of the prices that are thrown around on here.
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3 bed detatched where i live squeak £7.50 to a tenner or £12.50 with a conservatory asked for any more and you aint got any chance of the work thats why i laugh at some of the prices that are thrown around on here.
I agree Ronaldo...some of the prices on here are way out of my areas league - i tried to price a 3 bed with leaded windows at £11 last night and the women laughed in my face (i would normally charge £8-9 for this type of house, in the area it was in)
So I now know im pricing about right for the area
DC
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I know what your saying guy's and yes I guess to be honest I am able to charge a fairly high price but the house in question had 10 ups mostly double or triple pane windows, 8 double pane downs, plus a bay window with 8 panes and a set of patio doors. I understand that prices vary around the country but my point is that if your charging £8 for a house and some guy says he will do it for £3 you just can't compete. I would love to see his insurance policies, his tax return etc... By the time I have paid VAT, Tax, Insurance and wages it leaves a massive whole in the job price and with his prices I would be paying out of my own pocket. Just wish people wouldn't undercut themselves just to get a pint of beer at the end of the days work.
Bloody dole dodgers!
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I know what your saying guy's and yes I guess to be honest I am able to charge a fairly high price but the house in question had 10 ups mostly double or triple pane windows, 8 double pane downs, plus a bay window with 8 panes and a set of patio doors. I understand that prices vary around the country but my point is that if your charging £8 for a house and some guy says he will do it for £3 you just can't compete. I would love to see his insurance policies, his tax return etc... By the time I have paid VAT, Tax, Insurance and wages it leaves a massive whole in the job price and with his prices I would be paying out of my own pocket. Just wish people wouldn't undercut themselves just to get a pint of beer at the end of the days work.
Bloody dole dodgers!
Couldnt agree more Trev,
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VAT? :o
You're definately expensive Trev. ;D
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Well turnover dictates my situation and unless I want to get into hot water there's not much I can do about it. It does make a difference I know but on the other hand a lot of commercial contracts expect it!
Any suggestions welcome :-\
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I don't mean that so much.
What I meant was that if you're VAT registered you're raking it in.....by charging too much!
All in good jest honest! ;)
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On the point about prices they do vary from area to area. I,ve seen posts basically saying you can get whatever you want. Perhaps you can but your area will be a very big one with work all over the place. There is a max price that any particular area will stand and if you go above it you will get dumped a lot and not get much work in the 1st place. A well (realistacally priced) compact round will earn more than one very highly priced one thats all over the place.
You will also get much more recommendations if your prices are reasonable. Of course there are some very cheap WCers out there who will be half or less of your price... ignore them and do not be tempted to drop your prices to their level.
Andrew
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I quoted a house (£20) today to find out her old window cleaner used to charge her £7!!!!!!!!!!! Even though he has given up she had it in her mind that's what she should be paying, absolutely NO WAY!! Best bit was he had her and her 3 neighbours, identical houses. In the end I managed a group deal of £14 each. So, beware, he may wander down to your new job and probably would charge £15 the idiot! Why do people charge such stupid money and ruin it for the likes of us, god they make me mad >:(
Trevor, how can you justify reducing your quote from £20 per house to £14?
Unless you were (no offence intended) trying it on.
mark
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The reason I reduced my price was all 3 said they would use me if the price was more reasonable. I can clean all 3 houses if I park my van in the middle as my hoses will reach. The only reason I have agreed financially is down to the fact that with pole fed i will be much quicker. The £20 price is what I would charge with ladders and if I didn't have WFP I would have turned the work down. I can comfortably clean all 3 within an hour so financially it works within our hourly rate.
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if i wre you i say 360 it s normal if you say too much they might be find somebody elseit doesn t take to long to clean it mate
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out of interest, how much was finally charged for this large house?