Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: slap bash on July 28, 2015, 03:55:01 pm
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See what happen when you use ladder beyond the height you should .
http://www.windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk/blog/window-cleaning-company-fined-for-safety-breaches/
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Take the car away and it's like a scene from the 1950's.
I hate gangmaster bosses who force their staff to do this; and feel really sorry for employees who have a choice of doing it or getting fired or looked down on (no pun intended).
If a self employed man does it - well he's just an idiot but only got himself to blame. Still needs shopping mind.
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It never ceases to amaze me what some idiots do to just to earn a few bob.
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That is atrocious. Beyond belief. Certain death if he falls.
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How come they don't have the HSE picture on their website's gallery page?
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;)
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Wow! I am trad, but doing that is beyond belief!
John
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this guy has a ionics set up inside his van too
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Why ???
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Brian Stubbs is one of the longest standing window cleaners in stafford and he has a ionics set up in his van so why on earth he was tradding the nursing homes windows is beyond me
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Oh dear stubby :-X
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Brian Stubbs is one of the longest standing window cleaners in stafford and he has a ionics set up in his van so why on earth he was tradding the nursing homes windows is beyond me
Thats not tradding, thats desperation.
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Perhaps he couldn't afford to run the ionics system, mind you only cleaning to parts per billion he probably felt he needed to buff them off by hand ???
Darran
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Also maybe he did not have a long enough pole or if he did thought it was way too heavy and did not want to risk getting run over stood in the road to use it so went for the easy option. Obviously the RAMS went out of the window on that job too ;D
The mind boggles why people risk their lives just to clean windows like that.
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What's the point of manufacturing ladders that reach that kind of height if it's such a Heinous crime using them? I clean windows using many different access methods and have cleaned extremely hard access windows using various access methods .
Was anyone injured during the cleaning of this property? The WC company weren't employing slaves with no voice, I suspect this wasn't the first clean using this method and perhaps they/all were happy with their work.
Of course personal welfare of window cleaners, & public is paramount but don't just bow down and be a girl thingy just because some like to blow the old H&S card and have very little experience of window cleaning other than bog standard houses, small scale commercial and employing none/few
Let's ban the use of ladders and add another manufacturing decline to the UK .
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Wow - there speaks the voice of the 1970's
They may not be slaves but undue pressure from "the boss" leads workers to carry out dangerous tasks for "fear" of losing their job.
Simply that job can be done safely wfp - no need to be walking along a ledge or guttering like that
Darran
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Forgive me if I've missed something, usually busy running a business ( non sole trade :) ) was there any evidence of anyone forcing anyone to do anything? My voice isn't 1970's my friend just my own and have always been a free thinker (don't follow the crowd) personally we don't ladder work that high because it's not efficient, nothing to do with nanny state or lazy bar stewards thinking they know anything other than their own little space in the industry.
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Forgive me if I've missed something, usually busy running a business ( non sole trade :) ) was there any evidence of anyone forcing anyone to do anything? My voice isn't 1970's my friend just my own and have always been a free thinker (don't follow the crowd) personally we don't ladder work that high because it's not efficient, nothing to do with nanny state or lazy bar stewards thinking they know anything other than their own little space in the industry.
Steady on Einstein. It wasn't ladder work. He was walking along guttering.
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what sort of guttering was it tho upvc or the old school foot wide concrete one's cant zoom in on the pic
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Yes Simon I'm afraid you have missed something BIG TIME and that is the safety of staff ( or people in general )
Here's a link to another accident
http://www.brownsladders.co.uk/blog/another-horrific-ladder-statistic-from-the-hse/
But, hey, I'm sure in your world it's perfectly fine to work down mines with no safety equipment,, drive without seatbelts and play with asbestos.
Darran
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Yes Simon I'm afraid you have missed something BIG TIME and that is the safety of staff ( or people in general )
Here's a link to another accident
http://www.brownsladders.co.uk/blog/another-horrific-ladder-statistic-from-the-hse/
But, hey, I'm sure in your world it's perfectly fine to work down mines with no safety equipment,, drive without seatbelts and play with asbestos.
Darran
Darran you forgot ... send kids up chimneys, launch liners without lifeboats and walk on electrified railway lines.
I don't much care what the self employed do with their own lives but when they coerce workers to take unnecessary risks I view them as dangerous solipsists.
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You will more than likely find that the boss had nothing to do with it, more like the employees taking shortcuts to reach
their targets and slack off towards the end off the day. ( talking about walking along the ledge )
Seen this many times in the factory where I used to work, guys would stop using the cranes and man handle the materials
into the machines because it was quicker, just to get a bit of free time towards the end of their shift.
Next thing they would be complaining about back problems.
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Agree with you Sean that it maybe the employee doing it off his own back, but the employer would have to show written proof of training and safe use of ladders with signature from the employee, my guess is that there is no such paperwork, also someone would have been in charge, thus representing the employer.
I wouldn't have any problems if the guy was off a ladder with correct measures in place, or even a safety line for the way he's doing it.
The biggest evpye opener for me was I had to junk several sets of ladders and steps when I started to employ as they have to be certified and checked. Some of the work I do now would not even let us on site without the correct paperwork even for steps.
Regardless of what we think of H&S and sometimes it's over the top, I acknowledge that, but this company broke the law and was found guilty and punished, so no matter what we wish H&S to be the law is the law and we have to adhere to that
Darran
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hs at its best ;D
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDEQuAIwAWoVChMIgMLKkJuIxwIVZlnbCh37-AcQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYd_FMM8FPAU&ei=aee8VcDpIuay7Qb78Z-AAQ&usg=AFQjCNHIsMRpr-V2e08mArLxz1D4itJZpQ&sig2=iWtRAyYCwvX41nrDEc_JGQ&bvm=bv.99261572,d.ZGU
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hs at its best ;D
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDEQuAIwAWoVChMIgMLKkJuIxwIVZlnbCh37-AcQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYd_FMM8FPAU&ei=aee8VcDpIuay7Qb78Z-AAQ&usg=AFQjCNHIsMRpr-V2e08mArLxz1D4itJZpQ&sig2=iWtRAyYCwvX41nrDEc_JGQ&bvm=bv.99261572,d.ZGU
"you don't have to do that dougal" but he did ;D