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Title: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Ian101 on July 15, 2015, 06:06:57 pm
Out of interest and because Im upping my prices and still getting "yes"   100% of what I quote for .... how much for this on a monthly clean ... no access issues

my price would be £20 monthly ............... north wales

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-28508704.html
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: supernova77 on July 15, 2015, 06:15:03 pm
£25 - monthly.

£33 - 8 weekly (which is what most of my customers are)

Hampshire.

Andy  ;)
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Walter Mitty on July 15, 2015, 06:15:45 pm
Out of interest and because Im upping my prices and still getting "yes"   100% of what I quote for .... how much for this on a monthly clean ... no access issues

my price would be £20 monthly ............... north wales

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-28508704.html

If you're including the conservatory sides, I would probably be looking for more like £25-£27 for that.  However, I would be cheaper overall because I offer six weekly as a minimum time gap. Also, I'm in SE England so it tends to be dearer here.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: jo5hm4n on July 15, 2015, 06:16:30 pm
Based on how much i charge which is roughly £1 per window set or around £1.50 if around 4-6 panes.  I would charge £20-£22 for this.  Bear in mind i have only been window cleaning house for just under a year now so i haven't had to ever increase prices this is just what i charge and nearly always get good results when canvassing.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: sunshine windows on July 15, 2015, 06:35:40 pm
£40 monthly, £50 2 monthly
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Mick Kent on July 15, 2015, 06:41:46 pm
£20 monthly.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 15, 2015, 06:43:04 pm
Depends how desperate folk are for work I suppose but down south that has got to be worth inc conny sides at least 35 monthly easily. London prices would be alot more I'm guessing too.

They say if you win every quote you are to cheap so best to keep pushing the bounderies
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 15, 2015, 06:53:04 pm
£8 a month wow I'm so cheap!  Leyland
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: chris turner on July 15, 2015, 07:00:58 pm
I'm mainly 8 weekly, Hampshire, I would charge £27. 30-40 mins for a top notch job.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 15, 2015, 07:05:00 pm
Blimmy that is cheap

£8 a month wow I'm so cheap!  Leyland
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: chris turner on July 15, 2015, 07:06:40 pm
I'm mainly 8 weekly, Hampshire, I would charge £27. 30-40 mins for a top notch job.

Adding to my own post, that's only if the house is near other jobs. If its slightly out the way then more like £35-40.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 15, 2015, 07:11:32 pm
And if it was a one-off/first clean I would charge at least double as you do

I'm mainly 8 weekly, Hampshire, I would charge £27. 30-40 mins for a top notch job.

Adding to my own post, that's only if the house is near other jobs. If its slightly out the way then more like £35-40.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Tom-01 on July 15, 2015, 07:15:20 pm
£32 4 weekly
£40 8 weekly
Includes conservatory sides.
Conservatory roof £75 (includes clearing the gutters on it).
South East

Can't believe how cheap the rent is on the place!
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: SeanK on July 15, 2015, 07:16:07 pm
£25 six weekly and extra for the conservatory roof.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 15, 2015, 07:26:39 pm
Is any1 from Lancashire?
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 15, 2015, 07:44:59 pm
I don't think if matters where you live price wise to be honest.

 
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 15, 2015, 07:46:29 pm
I don't think if matters where you live price wise to be honest.

Course it does! Everything's more expensive the more south you go.... I think  ???
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 15, 2015, 07:50:20 pm
It's all in your mind ;D

If you don't ask you don't get as they say.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Rich Wilts on July 15, 2015, 07:54:27 pm
£25 - monthly.

£33 - 8 weekly (which is what most of my customers are)

Hampshire.

Andy  ;)

£27-£30.00 - 6 or 8 weekly.

Thats 25 minutes work tops.


Hampshire.

Matt  ;)
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: sunshine windows on July 15, 2015, 07:56:31 pm
Just out of curiosity, how much is an average plumber or electrician charging oop North ?

Interested to see if it's just window cleaners rates that seem to be lower up there. I reckon an average hourly rate for one of these would be £40-£60 here.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 15, 2015, 08:00:27 pm
Put it this way if you can afford to own a house like that anywhere in the UK you can afford to pay a premium for a top rate job
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 15, 2015, 08:09:48 pm
Yeah probably £40-£60 an hour, let's look at burnley where the houses are between £20,000 - £70,000 . The price to clean those windows is going to be around £5 a month. Here in leyland , I would say the house prices aren't that expensive around £100,000. Majority is ex council houses, im gonna have to up my prices but no where near southern prices, it would be interesting for other northerners to speak up  8)
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 15, 2015, 08:11:11 pm
It seems many get hung up on an hourly rate too which I think is also irrelevant
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: PCM LTD on July 15, 2015, 08:27:15 pm
£20.00 in Nottingham inc conny 6 weekly.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Small but perfectley formed on July 15, 2015, 08:59:13 pm
£15 4 weekly South Yorkshire if near other work
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Jonny 87 on July 15, 2015, 09:27:48 pm
I'd be £15 monthly for a full clean, doors etc.

I'm up norf.  :)
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: martin hulstone on July 15, 2015, 09:35:47 pm
Yeah probably £40-£60 an hour, let's look at burnley where the houses are between £20,000 - £70,000 . The price to clean those windows is going to be around £5 a month. Here in leyland , I would say the house prices aren't that expensive around £100,000. Majority is ex council houses, im gonna have to up my prices but no where near southern prices, it would be interesting for other northerners to speak up  8)
Smurf obviously doesnt understand the north south divide!
I am from bolton and was a window cleaner up there for 15 years. That house would fetch around 8-12 pounds a clean, maybe 15 at a push in south manchester but where i live in poole now it would be between 22-30 pounds.
People know the price in the area and thats what dictates, maybe you can push the boundaries a bit but i never had any joy at trying to charge southern prices whilst Up north.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 15, 2015, 09:36:47 pm
I'd be £15 monthly for a full clean, doors etc.

I'm up norf.  :)

That's more like it lol  ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: KS Cleaning on July 15, 2015, 09:38:38 pm
£16 every 4 weeks if compact. I don't do scattered work.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Nick Day on July 15, 2015, 09:45:21 pm
When tax credits start to be withdrawn, I suspect that some of you are in for some rude awakenings.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: DaveG on July 15, 2015, 09:46:18 pm
£25, 6 weekly in Poole
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 15, 2015, 09:46:46 pm
Yeah probably £40-£60 an hour, let's look at burnley where the houses are between £20,000 - £70,000 . The price to clean those windows is going to be around £5 a month. Here in leyland , I would say the house prices aren't that expensive around £100,000. Majority is ex council houses, im gonna have to up my prices but no where near southern prices, it would be interesting for other northerners to speak up  8)
Smurf obviously doesnt understand the north south divide!
I am from bolton and was a window cleaner up there for 15 years. That house would fetch around 8-12 pounds a clean, maybe 15 at a push in south manchester but where i live in poole now it would be between 22-30 pounds.
People know the price in the area and thats what dictates, maybe you can push the boundaries a bit but i never had any joy at trying to charge southern prices whilst Up north.

That's very true, people round here do seem to know what the price is in the area, if only there was a way to get ALL the northern window cleaners to have a base price...of at least £10 a house  ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 15, 2015, 09:48:11 pm
When tax credits start to be withdrawn, I suspect that some of you are in for some rude awakenings.

I hope not me!! I don't wanna go any cheaper!!!!  :-\
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: kempy on July 15, 2015, 10:11:38 pm
£20

Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: dazmond on July 16, 2015, 12:53:12 am
£20 4 weekly.i have 12  similar properties down one road all right next to each other.take around 25-30 mins each.im happy with £40 an hour.they virtually all pay cash or cheque on the day as well(most are retired folk)north west. :)
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: dazmond on July 16, 2015, 01:20:28 am
to do a proper job of properties like these shane regularly they take 25-30 mins including all frames,sills and doors.if your lucky to have a good few of them together then at £8 a pop you d only make £16 an hour? ::)roll

i dont have any work that doesnt earn me at least £30 an hour.usually more these days.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: dazmond on July 16, 2015, 01:25:14 am
It seems many get hung up on an hourly rate too which I think is also irrelevant

course its relevant!hourly rate is EVERYTHING!there is only so much "on the glass" time(earning time)during any given day/month/year.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: jonboywalton75 on July 16, 2015, 06:45:05 am
Yeah probably £40-£60 an hour, let's look at burnley where the houses are between £20,000 - £70,000 . The price to clean those windows is going to be around £5 a month. Here in leyland , I would say the house prices aren't that expensive around £100,000. Majority is ex council houses, im gonna have to up my prices but no where near southern prices, it would be interesting for other northerners to speak up  8)
Smurf obviously doesnt understand the north south divide!
I am from bolton and was a window cleaner up there for 15 years. That house would fetch around 8-12 pounds a clean, maybe 15 at a push in south manchester but where i live in poole now it would be between 22-30 pounds.
People know the price in the area and thats what dictates, maybe you can push the boundaries a bit but i never had any joy at trying to charge southern prices whilst Up north.

That's very true, people round here do seem to know what the price is in the area, if only there was a way to get ALL the northern window cleaners to have a base price...of at least £10 a house  ;D


South Manchester,where I used to live, I reckon you'd get more than £15 for that job. More like over 20 , monthly.
I've lived all over Cheshire and the prices vary from town to town.
In Runcorn, where I live ,you're probably talking about £17 monthly, but in Chester or Northwich you'd get more.
Prices vary more than you'd think.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: deeege on July 16, 2015, 06:47:23 am
£22 monthly /  £40 for the first clean Cheshire.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: jonboywalton75 on July 16, 2015, 06:51:09 am
Just out of interest, why would it take some of you 25-30 mins to do that job.
I must be way too fast ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Dave Willis on July 16, 2015, 07:36:17 am
I probably wouldn't get out of bed for that job.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: DaveG on July 16, 2015, 08:01:15 am
I probably wouldn't get out of bed for that job.

Council houses are bigger that that where your'e from
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 16, 2015, 08:06:55 am
I probably wouldn't get out of bed for that job.

I'm sorry you're royal highness , I don't have any commercial jobs and I'm surrounded by ex council houses
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Scrimble on July 16, 2015, 08:09:19 am
It seems many get hung up on an hourly rate too which I think is also irrelevant

course its relevant!hourly rate is EVERYTHING!there is only so much "on the glass" time(earning time)during any given day/month/year.

you are not earning what ever figure per hour its turn over! or takings

you should look at your weekly or monthly turn over that will give you more of an idea how much your profit is after expenses

that house would be £16 to £20 if 4/8 weekly

Dazmond are you vat registered?
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: dazmond on July 16, 2015, 08:36:49 am
It seems many get hung up on an hourly rate too which I think is also irrelevant

course its relevant!hourly rate is EVERYTHING!there is only so much "on the glass" time(earning time)during any given day/month/year.

you are not earning what ever figure per hour its turn over! or takings

you should look at your weekly or monthly turn over that will give you more of an idea how much your profit is after expenses

that house would be £16 to £20 if 4/8 weekly

Dazmond are you vat registered?

VAT registered?you must be joking?nowhere near!(im a sole trader).plus i only work ("on the glass" earning time)5-7 hours a day 5 days a week for 4 weeks of the month 11 months a year.(2 weeks off at xmas,2 one week holidays abroad)plus if its a 5 week month i normally get a few days off at the end of the month depending on work due.

Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: dazmond on July 16, 2015, 08:40:41 am
Just out of interest, why would it take some of you 25-30 mins to do that job.
I must be way too fast ;D

from my experience of over 5 years WFP yes 25-30 mins.usually these types of properties where i work have a lot of trees/shrubs nearby which make the windows dirty.plus im not rushing round.i like to be measured in the way i work.brisk but steady! ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Mick Kent on July 16, 2015, 08:42:44 am
Wouldnt take me no half hour to clean. 15/20 mins max. 3 an hour if on same street. I still prefere £10 terrace fronts doing 10/12 an hour! Its all good having big properties on the books but you cant earn as much from them long term As you would from simple and compact with no access issues to come by on terrace fronts.

Amen ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: dazmond on July 16, 2015, 09:15:14 am
Wouldnt take me no half hour to clean. 15/20 mins max. 3 an hour if on same street. I still prefere £10 terrace fronts doing 10/12 an hour! Its all good having big properties on the books but you cant earn as much from them long term As you would from simple and compact with no access issues to come by on terrace fronts.

Amen ;D

i take my hat off to you mick.£10 for front only is very good money esp as you  "splash and dash" and knock them out very quickly.

me personally couldnt charge that amount for front only.as for the bigger properties i stand by the 25-30 min time as a lot are in when i clean so i dont rush around.in fact i dont rush around on any of my work really these days.brisk but not hell for leather.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: jonboywalton75 on July 16, 2015, 09:23:01 am
I'm quick, whether customers are in or out.
Hourly rate is not be all and end all, but it's up there.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Klean07 on July 16, 2015, 09:50:55 am
I clean a similar house to that but include conservatory roof for £25 a month. Last month they wanted inside of conny cleaning minus the roof for which I charged an extra tenner. However when I went to clean them again yesterday I was told not to bother as my £10 extra for inside conny was excessive!!
Some folks eh!
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 16, 2015, 10:29:19 am
I'm betting they brought themselves a karcher window vac  ;D

I clean a similar house to that but include conservatory roof for £25 a month. Last month they wanted inside of conny cleaning minus the roof for which I charged an extra tenner. However when I went to clean them again yesterday I was told not to bother as my £10 extra for inside conny was excessive!!
Some folks eh!
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: 8weekly on July 16, 2015, 06:50:39 pm
£27 8 weekly.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Ian101 on July 16, 2015, 07:03:05 pm
thanks guys .... think I will quote £25 in future for stuff this size

Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 16, 2015, 07:08:41 pm
I'm defo upping my quotes from £8 to £8.50
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: chris turner on July 16, 2015, 09:02:10 pm
I'm defo upping my quotes from £8 to £8.50

  ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 16, 2015, 10:44:47 pm
Why only 50p why not 100p?  not so funny if they pay you in pennies though as you will be walking around lopsided  ;D

I'm defo upping my quotes from £8 to £8.50
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 16, 2015, 11:04:20 pm
Why only 50p why not 100p?  not so funny if they pay you in pennies though as you will be walking around lopsided  ;D

I'm defo upping my quotes from £8 to £8.50

Gradual increase, then I don't lose customers  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: slap bash on July 17, 2015, 09:53:51 am
I just love all the B/S logic used when pricing up a job. The reason why the is such disparity in pricing is because no ones wants to think his pricing is wrong and not up to date. If we applied a business approach we would all be closer to one price.My favourite one is when a cheap price is given is I have others in the street. This resulting in a lower price so the customer scores a gain. I would have thought you are in business for your own gain.Why the hell give a customer a discount just because they are in  a certain street. If it cost less to drive there surly its your own gain.
I find if you have to justify your pricing this way you need you business head read.
The same as prices rises surly they must be based on a sound business footing. If costs go up so must you pricing reflect this. Instead, because we don`t know what our expenses are we just guess a quid up or 50 p because the customer might just jump ship. It will take a lot more brain power and understanding of you industry for us to think alike when pricing.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 17, 2015, 10:31:32 am
I just love all the B/S logic used when pricing up a job. The reason why the is such disparity in pricing is because no ones wants to think his pricing is wrong and not up to date. If we applied a business approach we would all be closer to one price.My favourite one is when a cheap price is given is I have others in the street. This resulting in a lower price so the customer scores a gain. I would have thought you are in business for your own gain.Why the hell give a customer a discount just because they are in  a certain street. If it cost less to drive there surly its your own gain.
I find if you have to justify your pricing this way you need you business head read.
The same as prices rises surly they must be based on a sound business footing. If costs go up so must you pricing reflect this. Instead, because we don`t know what our expenses are we just guess a quid up or 50 p because the customer might just jump ship. It will take a lot more brain power and understanding of you industry for us to think alike when pricing.

So you only put prices up when your expenses go up? how about putting them up when you want a pay rise? Solely because you want more money?
It would make sense to have a base price for the south and one for the North
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Post by: LT carpet cleaning on July 17, 2015, 10:52:26 am
Some of this stuff is hilarious! They obviously have wifi in the DSS office....

 ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: dazmond on July 17, 2015, 06:37:54 pm
I just love all the B/S logic used when pricing up a job. The reason why the is such disparity in pricing is because no ones wants to think his pricing is wrong and not up to date. If we applied a business approach we would all be closer to one price.My favourite one is when a cheap price is given is I have others in the street. This resulting in a lower price so the customer scores a gain. I would have thought you are in business for your own gain.Why the hell give a customer a discount just because they are in  a certain street. If it cost less to drive there surly its your own gain.
I find if you have to justify your pricing this way you need you business head read.
The same as prices rises surly they must be based on a sound business footing. If costs go up so must you pricing reflect this. Instead, because we don`t know what our expenses are we just guess a quid up or 50 p because the customer might just jump ship. It will take a lot more brain power and understanding of you industry for us to think alike when pricing.

the truth is we all charge different prices because we have many different personalities, life situations,areas we work,attitudes to business and life in general.also lots of window cleaners are not the sharpest knifes in the drawer and most of us are pretty clueless when it comes to business acumen.(i include myself in this!) ;D

no pricing is wrong IMO.we are all free to charge what we think is the right price for US and our needs/lifestyle.


i also have some very compact estate work that is priced cheaper BECAUSE they are very close together to keep the competition from getting a foothold on my work(8 days work) and they are on a 4 weekly frequency.im happy,the customer is happy and other window cleaners soon give up the odd one or two they pick up as i clean the lions share and they cant compete on price,quality and reliability.so when they disappear i pick them up. ;D

i know what my expenses are(around 5k a year)

Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: robbo333 on July 17, 2015, 07:12:37 pm
I agree with Daz. Everybody's needs are different and so are their expectations. Therefore they will price the same job completely differently, based on their own priorities. Some larger companies have overheads, rent, rates and wages to pay...and more. Others turn up in a car with ladders on the roof. Each price the job according to their needs and I genuinely believe there are actually no right or wrong quotes. After all, we are in the business of window cleaning and it attracts everyone, from every walk of life and you have to understand the market you are in. So deal with It! The trick is to decide 'where you want to be' in the world of window cleaning and 'set your stall out' accordingly.  After all, those people who do a 'cheap job' probably still do a good job. Still have families to feed and who depend upon them .  There is loads of work out there, just go and get it.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: SeanK on July 17, 2015, 07:27:23 pm
Most people aren't stupid and they know what sort of money window cleaners are charging in their areas.
So if you come along in your shiny new van giving it all that and try to charge way above the area average then you might get a
few dimwits who will pay it but most wont.
The guys getting the higher money on here are no better business people than anybody else they have just hit an area
where the shiners before them have set a nice price and they are reaping the benefits.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Dave Willis on July 17, 2015, 07:40:28 pm
£80 for that job day in day out.



I live in cuckoo land.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Shane sharples on July 17, 2015, 08:08:38 pm
Most people aren't stupid and they know what sort of money window cleaners are charging in their areas.
So if you come along in your shiny new van giving it all that and try to charge way above the area average then you might get a
few dimwits who will pay it but most wont.
The guys getting the higher money on here are no better business people than anybody else they have just hit an area
where the shiners before them have set a nice price and they are reaping the benefits.

Well said Sean! I was wondering were you went!! Lol
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: 8weekly on July 17, 2015, 08:12:03 pm
Most people aren't stupid and they know what sort of money window cleaners are charging in their areas.
So if you come along in your shiny new van giving it all that and try to charge way above the area average then you might get a
few dimwits who will pay it but most wont.
The guys getting the higher money on here are no better business people than anybody else they have just hit an area
where the shiners before them have set a nice price and they are reaping the benefits.

When I started I bumped into a windy just finishing a Victorian 3 bed semi and he said to me "Who's gonna pay more than a fiver for that?". There are lots of old school guys around everywhere charging peanuts. It's up to you whether you choose to have your income dictated by these idiots.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 17, 2015, 08:19:03 pm
Don't beleive or as they say take with a pinch of salt what you are told by other cleaners as most keep their prices to themselves  ;D

It's a simple case if you don't ask you don't get...If a customer snaps your hand off you are too cheap
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: sunshine windows on July 17, 2015, 08:37:42 pm
Picked one up this afternoon, old unreliable window cleaner, who she doesn't even have a contact number for  :o £15 every 6 weeks.

Got it at £40 once every 2 months.

Cream work is out there, you've just got to find it. Don't under sell yourself on what you think is a good hourly rate.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 17, 2015, 09:12:45 pm
That is probably why the last cleaner was so say unreliable as he underprice the job so badly that he can't be arsed to do it anymore.

Picked one up this afternoon, old  unreliable window cleaner, who she doesn't even have a contact number for  :o £15 every 6 weeks.

Got it at £40 once every 2 months.

Cream work is out there, you've just got to find it. Don't under sell yourself on what you think is a good hourly rate.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Oliver James on July 18, 2015, 03:59:13 am
I charge £20 for a 4 bed detached  on six weekly plus 0.50 per 'unit' (a 'unit' is basically a pane, plus the plastic panel below it and the top light) for connie glass (includes doors),
That connie looks like it has 14 'units' so £7 extra.

Six weekly = £27
Twelve weekly = £40.50

That includes: Sills, frames, front door, garage door and the white of the upvc guttering on the connie.

Birmingham
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Walter Mitty on July 18, 2015, 07:37:35 am
When tax credits start to be withdrawn, I suspect that some of you are in for some rude awakenings.

Indeed.  Although the talk is of recovery, that can only happen if people have a reasonable disposable income.  Add the likelihood of mortgage rates increasing over the next couple of years and many people could easily £100 - £200 a month down.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Rich Wilts on July 18, 2015, 10:09:59 am
We've just come out of the worst recession in living history, before that there were all the gloom merchants on here proclaiming the downfall of our service industry.

From my angle we've never been so busy.


If you can't make it in an industry where there's more glass than shiners and there's more herberts than competent's, let alone professionals, then you really should be on the till at Asda.  It's like taking candy from a baby this game.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: SeanK on July 18, 2015, 10:10:11 am
Most people aren't stupid and they know what sort of money window cleaners are charging in their areas.
So if you come along in your shiny new van giving it all that and try to charge way above the area average then you might get a
few dimwits who will pay it but most wont.
The guys getting the higher money on here are no better business people than anybody else they have just hit an area
where the shiners before them have set a nice price and they are reaping the benefits.

When I started I bumped into a windy just finishing a Victorian 3 bed semi and he said to me "Who's gonna pay more than a fiver for that?". There are lots of old school guys around everywhere charging peanuts. It's up to you whether you choose to have your income dictated by these idiots.

The fact is if all the other shiners in your area where charging a fiver for that type of property and doing a decent job then
you would have found it hard to get 4 times that amount for the same property.
So obviously the norm would be closer to what your charging.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: 8weekly on July 18, 2015, 10:14:52 am
Most people aren't stupid and they know what sort of money window cleaners are charging in their areas.
So if you come along in your shiny new van giving it all that and try to charge way above the area average then you might get a
few dimwits who will pay it but most wont.
The guys getting the higher money on here are no better business people than anybody else they have just hit an area
where the shiners before them have set a nice price and they are reaping the benefits.

When I started I bumped into a windy just finishing a Victorian 3 bed semi and he said to me "Who's gonna pay more than a fiver for that?". There are lots of old school guys around everywhere charging peanuts. It's up to you whether you choose to have your income dictated by these idiots.

The fact is if all the other shiners in your area where charging a fiver for that type of property and doing a decent job then
you would have found it hard to get 4 times that amount for the same property.
So obviously the norm would be closer to what your charging.
Well he didn't think it was the norm and he'd been going 25 years.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Rich Wilts on July 18, 2015, 10:15:35 am
You  miss 8weeklies point.  The issue was in the old boys head, his attitude/belief system. If 8weekly had the same attitude then he'd be being paid £5.00 too, but he believed different.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Ian101 on July 18, 2015, 10:27:17 am
We've just come out of the worst recession in living history, before that there were all the gloom merchants on here proclaiming the downfall of our service industry.

From my angle we've never been so busy.


If you can't make it in an industry where there's more glass than shiners and there's more herberts than competent's, let alone professionals, then you really should be on the till at Asda.  It's like taking candy from a baby this game.

agree 100% ............. except to add proper people will pay proper prices ... hence reason for my post to start with as thinking I can get more for same effort .......... on a price increase drive at them moment ... best to date £90 up to £220 yes obviously under-priced to start with but now got nothing under-priced ... nothing to do with costs going up I just want a wage rise and think its best to get in now before any future interest rate rises ( Nov / Dec this year I reckon)
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: SeanK on July 18, 2015, 10:48:58 am
Most people aren't stupid and they know what sort of money window cleaners are charging in their areas.
So if you come along in your shiny new van giving it all that and try to charge way above the area average then you might get a
few dimwits who will pay it but most wont.
The guys getting the higher money on here are no better business people than anybody else they have just hit an area
where the shiners before them have set a nice price and they are reaping the benefits.

When I started I bumped into a windy just finishing a Victorian 3 bed semi and he said to me "Who's gonna pay more than a fiver for that?". There are lots of old school guys around everywhere charging peanuts. It's up to you whether you choose to have your income dictated by these idiots.

The fact is if all the other shiners in your area where charging a fiver for that type of property and doing a decent job then
you would have found it hard to get 4 times that amount for the same property.
So obviously the norm would be closer to what your charging.
Well he didn't think it was the norm and he'd been going 25 years.

So was it the norm then, where all the other shiners in the area only charging a fiver for these types of properties until
you came along and decided to charge £20 ?

Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: 8weekly on July 18, 2015, 11:07:39 am
Most people aren't stupid and they know what sort of money window cleaners are charging in their areas.
So if you come along in your shiny new van giving it all that and try to charge way above the area average then you might get a
few dimwits who will pay it but most wont.
The guys getting the higher money on here are no better business people than anybody else they have just hit an area
where the shiners before them have set a nice price and they are reaping the benefits.

When I started I bumped into a windy just finishing a Victorian 3 bed semi and he said to me "Who's gonna pay more than a fiver for that?". There are lots of old school guys around everywhere charging peanuts. It's up to you whether you choose to have your income dictated by these idiots.

The fact is if all the other shiners in your area where charging a fiver for that type of property and doing a decent job then
you would have found it hard to get 4 times that amount for the same property.
So obviously the norm would be closer to what your charging.
Well he didn't think it was the norm and he'd been going 25 years.

So was it the norm then, where all the other shiners in the area only charging a fiver for these types of properties until
you came along and decided to charge £20 ?
I've no idea. I knew what I wanted to earn and priced accordingly.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 18, 2015, 11:19:55 am
I think where some seem to go wrong on pricing they are thinking too much on the amount of time they think a job will take and how much per hour they want rather than pricing the job up properly (its true value)

Obviously trad cleaners have less overheads/running costs than wfp guys and some old school trad guy’s just clean glass so this is the mindset of the cleaner and is down to the individual if they want to work smarter or harder for the same reward no matter where they  live.

The fact is all prospects will find a price either too dear or too cheap again which boils down to their mindset.
 
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Rich Wilts on July 18, 2015, 11:30:16 am
"Obviously trad cleaners have less overheads/running costs"

And a hugely restricted profit compared to WFP.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Smurf on July 18, 2015, 11:41:33 am
wfp does have alot of advantages profit wise over trad but I still think both are essential methods to master to be called a proper window cleaner. ;D

"Obviously trad cleaners have less overheads/running costs"

And a hugely restricted profit compared to WFP.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: SeanK on July 18, 2015, 11:46:24 am
"Obviously trad cleaners have less overheads/running costs"

And a hugely restricted profit compared to WFP.

They are just tools and both will get the job done, you will get winners and losers in both methods.
The only millionaire window cleaner I know is and always has been traditional.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Rich Wilts on July 18, 2015, 11:47:45 am
Sean do you work in and around Poole and Blandford?
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: SeanK on July 18, 2015, 11:50:29 am
Sean do you work in and around Poole and Blandford?

No mate your way out, Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Chris Cottrell on July 18, 2015, 01:43:47 pm
Your pricing sounds about right I would go with £20 maybe £25 with consevatory sides
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Amazin on July 18, 2015, 02:37:08 pm
Wait, all the prices quoted in the thread are just for the front or for the whole house?

I'm charging just £12 to just clean the front of a 3 bed room terraced house in East London. I'm I too cheap?
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: billy1 on July 18, 2015, 04:04:05 pm
I would  be happy with £20 a month in county Durham
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: 8weekly on July 18, 2015, 04:10:47 pm
I've recently moved to a price list. I always used to go along and quote and often felt after the first clean it was too much/too little. Plus, I wanted to be perceived as straight & professional. That one of Ian's is £22 for a 4 bed house + £5 for the conservatory.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: AuRavelling79 on July 18, 2015, 04:15:19 pm
£22 - 4 weekly including conny sides
£28 - 8 weekly including conny sides

If on it's own £25/30.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Stoots on July 18, 2015, 05:25:17 pm
about £15 inc conny 4 weekly £18 8 weekly - Leeds



Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: capn sparkle on July 18, 2015, 09:00:42 pm
£25 8 weekly inc conny sides and glass on conny above gutter on end

Herts
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Tom-01 on July 19, 2015, 05:56:33 pm
I've recently moved to a price list. I always used to go along and quote and often felt after the first clean it was too much/too little. Plus, I wanted to be perceived as straight & professional. That one of Ian's is £22 for a 4 bed house + £5 for the conservatory.

8weekly do you have a price list based on the amount of bedrooms a house has? Do you have a minimum price?
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: 8weekly on July 19, 2015, 06:35:51 pm
I've recently moved to a price list. I always used to go along and quote and often felt after the first clean it was too much/too little. Plus, I wanted to be perceived as straight & professional. That one of Ian's is £22 for a 4 bed house + £5 for the conservatory.

8weekly do you have a price list based on the amount of bedrooms a house has? Do you have a minimum price?
Yes & yes. That said, I wouldn't be afraid to say if I thought it didn't apply. For example we clean a 5 bed house that takes all morning for two of us. Yes, £15 is a minimum price. I have some old jobs from when I started that might be 3 windows for £7. (Lowest example)
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: NWH on July 19, 2015, 06:41:48 pm
That house would go for around £400.000 near me
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: DaveG on July 19, 2015, 08:09:50 pm
Sean do you work in and around Poole and Blandford?

Oi, there's plenty around here already!  Out of interest Matt, why do you ask that?
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: Rich Wilts on July 19, 2015, 10:13:26 pm
Because there was a dipstick on one of the Facebook forums from round that way, called Sean Kelly, spouting off how someone hhas twice let his tyres down, and being a tw@t he was planning some sort of confrontation as revenge.

By the looks of him he needs to blame his Dad. For putting the garden swing too close to the wall.
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: DaveG on July 20, 2015, 06:47:33 am
Oh right

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pricing - how much .............. not had a how much thread for a while
Post by: SeanK on July 20, 2015, 07:06:22 am
Because there was a dipstick on one of the Facebook forums from round that way, called Sean Kelly, spouting off how someone hhas twice let his tyres down, and being a tw@t he was planning some sort of confrontation as revenge.

By the looks of him he needs to blame his Dad. For putting the garden swing too close to the wall.

Other than the name which isn't my real name by the way I don't know why you would have confused me with that guy,
different if I was constantly being banned on here or throwing a hissy fit and deleting my account like a spoilt child anytime
an argument didn't go my way.