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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Phil J on July 10, 2015, 09:01:16 pm
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Hey Guys,
Just wondering what you prefer for detailing, microfiber or scrim?
Thanks, Phil.....
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Hello,
I cleaned M & S daily for twenty five years, Next, Debenhams. McDonalds, Mothercare and numerous others. It is only since I came on here I've read about detailing etc. and seen all sorts of alterations to squeegees.
Squeegees were invented I believe in about 1928, millions upon millions of square meters have been cleaned.
Why the need for any of the detailing and alterations to squeegees.
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Unger microfibre ones mate.
Best there is about
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I was a trad cleaner for 30 years and still do a little. The day I discovered microfibre (Unger to be specific) I never touched another scrim.
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For optimal results its best to use microfiber HPD (high performance detailing) cloths, you won't get a better finish for detailing internal glass,mirrors, or small georgian window panels. just use one damp with water to detail and then a second one dry to polish off for a 100% smear and lint free finish.
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Aldi microfibre cloths, £1 for 2, they are unbelievable , use one damp, fantastic results
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always use scrim,have just started using microfibre for leaded and georgian,but scrim is best for deatailing
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I was a trad cleaner for 30 years and still do a little. The day I discovered microfibre (Unger to be specific) I never touched another scrim.
There you go mate
Small ones about £3
Big ones about £6
Will never ever use a scrim again ;D
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unger or blue microfibres all the way for me. How anyone can say scrim is better for detailing is ridiculous. They leave lint all over the glass
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the best scrim is supposed to be natural Irish linen scrim, when it comes to detailing its best to use South Korean microfiber detailing cloths which are produced specifically to achieve optimal results on glass surfaces, when using these authentic high performance glass detailing cloths you will only barely dampen the glass surface so when you use a second one dry to polish off the results are phenomenal, we stock 19 x 19 inch x 150gsm microfiber HPD cloths, i can say with confidence we wont be beaten on price and quality when it comes to authentic South Korean glass detailing cloths, if anyone would like more information send me an email to info@jskcleaning.ie regards Tadgh
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unger or blue microfibres all the way for me. How anyone can say scrim is better for detailing is ridiculous. They leave lint all over the glass
you must be buying the cheap scrim,or kept it to long
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Hello,
I cleaned M & S daily for twenty five years, Next, Debenhams. McDonalds, Mothercare and numerous others. It is only since I came on here I've read about detailing etc. and seen all sorts of alterations to squeegees.
Squeegees were invented I believe in about 1928, millions upon millions of square meters have been cleaned.
Why the need for any of the detailing and alterations to squeegees.
Nick, no matter how experienced or skilled you are with a squeegee its just not possible to remove all the moisture from corners and edges, the only way to achieve optimal results is to use authentic glass detailing cloths, as we all know for general window cleaning you don't need to go to the extent of detailing the glass, when it comes to the likes of high end retailers, jewellers,opticans, etc, they are prepared to pay extra when you educate or demonstrate to them the end results which are achievable, i will even add that high end retailers are more than willing to pay for detailing their interior glass and mirror surfaces (especially their glass presentation cases) which is an add on that is widely untapped by many window cleaners, just to share some of my thoughts on detailing.
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Hello Tadgh,
I don't know who you are, but you sound like someone who sells microfiber.
I can assure anybody that if you develop "the technique", it is touch, a feel, when using a squeegee on corners and edges, you will not leave any moisture.
I had the contract for cleaning all mirrors , internal glass, escalator sides etc. for M & S, Debenhams etc there was no problem with the results.
As for commercials paying extra for great results, I would love to hear the extra they are paying and who is paying!!!
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I have used 'A' grade scrims, and both the Unger flat weave and Paragon fishscale cloths. Both microfibre cloths are brilliant and superior to scrims in that they both leave a lint-free finish, even in direct sunlight. The Paragon cloths win it for me as they last a lot longer.
John
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As Tadgh O Shea says, the best scrim is genuine natural Irish linen scrim. Unfortunately there's no such thing!!
Somewhere along the line someone decided that eastern European 'scrim' would be just as good and since then the genuine Irish version has been unobtainable.
Real scrim could be used as a 'once over' cleaning cloth. You could wet this, wring it out (special technique that I could show you, but no point as it doesn't work on 'modern' scrim) and use it just slightly damp. It would take off the dirt and polish the glass spotless in one operation, all it needed was a bit of 'elbow grease'.
Back in the day we would clean everything with just the one 'tool' and get perfect results every time, the only draw back was it was hard work!! 'Ragging' (as it was called) was the preferred method of every professional window cleaner when cleaning small panes of glass.
We would clean a whole school (see my thread 'The way things were') just using scrim which we would dunk in the bucket every time it became too dry to do it's job and then wring out again to exactly the right level of 'dampness' to achieve the required result.
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Get every scrim ya want............ They still won't be as good as the unger microfibres
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Hello Tadgh,
I don't know who you are, but you sound like someone who sells microfiber.
I can assure anybody that if you develop "the technique", it is touch, a feel, when using a squeegee on corners and edges, you will not leave any moisture.
I had the contract for cleaning all mirrors , internal glass, escalator sides etc. for M & S, Debenhams etc there was no problem with the results.
As for commercials paying extra for great results, I would love to hear the extra they are paying and who is paying!!!
Hi Nick, yes i do promote microfiber technology, i have been on the glass for over 30 years and would be dab with a squeegee, i have no problem putting up my hand and say it again its just not possible to remove all the moisture from the glass no matter how experienced one is with the squeegee, the retailers i was talking about would be more high end than the ones you have mentioned, there are plenty of high end retailers especially in the UK who will pay for detailing their expensive fixtures and fittings as they will tell you presentation is everything to them. As for detailing cloths to the best of my knowledge Unger and Paragon don't promote microfiber detailing cloths.
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Hello Tadgh,
I don't know who you are, but you sound like someone who sells microfiber.
I can assure anybody that if you develop "the technique", it is touch, a feel, when using a squeegee on corners and edges, you will not leave any moisture.
I had the contract for cleaning all mirrors , internal glass, escalator sides etc. for M & S, Debenhams etc there was no problem with the results.
As for commercials paying extra for great results, I would love to hear the extra they are paying and who is paying!!!
I have previously jumped to the conclusion that Tadgh was 'just a salesman'. Yes he dose have products to sell as others do but I don't have the same opinion now! And as I'm looking for good micro fibres I'll be ordering a few. Scrims take a while to break in (my opinion) Micro fibres are far better for working with from the start.
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Just to confirm i am not knocking other companies microfiber, but just to explain there is a big difference in quality and performance between microfiber glass cleaning cloths and microfiber glass detailing cloths. Tadgh
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As Tadgh O Shea says, the best scrim is genuine natural Irish linen scrim. Unfortunately there's no such thing!!
Somewhere along the line someone decided that eastern European 'scrim' would be just as good and since then the genuine Irish version has been unobtainable.
Real scrim could be used as a 'once over' cleaning cloth. You could wet this, wring it out (special technique that I could show you, but no point as it doesn't work on 'modern' scrim) and use it just slightly damp. It would take off the dirt and polish the glass spotless in one operation, all it needed was a bit of 'elbow grease'.
Back in the day we would clean everything with just the one 'tool' and get perfect results every time, the only draw back was it was hard work!! 'Ragging' (as it was called) was the preferred method of every professional window cleaner when cleaning small panes of glass.
We would clean a whole school (see my thread 'The way things were') just using scrim which we would dunk in the bucket every time it became too dry to do it's job and then wring out again to exactly the right level of 'dampness' to achieve the required result.
Spot on, we cleaned hundreds of schools this way and they where only cleaned every 4 months so very dirty in areas where smokers had been ie staff rooms and offices we would use a rat tail mop before scrumming.
A brand new scrim used to take time to break in so we would boil them them and use them as a wiping up cloth for a couple of weeks before using for ragging.
My dad wouldn't let me use a squeegee for my first year I was to clean everything mop and scrim , doing large plate glass windows at Lancaster university in offices with windows full of nicotine in direct sunlight was definitely character building and it certainly built up my strength as a young lad
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Tadgh, am not knocking urs mate, I have never tried them. I had scrims for 15 years and would only use them for the frames really, when I tried the unger ones I was well impressed I bought a crap load to use for detailing.
I work in from all the frames and don't feel detailing is needed on 90% of the jobs but I have some extremely important jobs that I insist on detailing, unger are fantastic as even with the sun beaming in they leave no marks what so ever....... I even had nice comments made regarding work from sky tv presenters who set up the studios ;D ( and somewhere have pics of Andy grey off sky before he got sacked trying his hand at my work haha ) but serious they are good. Only good when there dry tho wen wet as with anything will leave a mark.
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Tadgh, am not knocking urs mate, I have never tried them. I had scrims for 15 years and would only use them for the frames really, when I tried the unger ones I was well impressed I bought a crap load to use for detailing.
I work in from all the frames and don't feel detailing is needed on 90% of the jobs but I have some extremely important jobs that I insist on detailing, unger are fantastic as even with the sun beaming in they leave no marks what so ever....... I even had nice comments made regarding work from sky tv presenters who set up the studios ;D ( and somewhere have pics of Andy grey off sky before he got sacked trying his hand at my work haha ) but serious they are good. Only good when there dry tho wen wet as with anything will leave a mark.
Hi Matty, yes Unger do have some good microfiber for cleaning glass, but as i was saying and to the best of my knowledge they don't promote authentic high performance detailing microfiber cloths for glass, with proper HPD cloths the results achievable on the glass are spectacular. Tadgh
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Get this long awaited website sorted then Tadgh and I'll gladly buy some to try them out :)
I'm not ringing offices though, I'm not a big fan of chatting to the mrs, let alone ringing a salesperson up!!!
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Hello,
I cleaned M & S daily for twenty five years, Next, Debenhams. McDonalds, Mothercare and numerous others. It is only since I came on here I've read about detailing etc. and seen all sorts of alterations to squeegees.
Squeegees were invented I believe in about 1928, millions upon millions of square meters have been cleaned.
Why the need for any of the detailing and alterations to squeegees.
Nick, no matter how experienced or skilled you are with a squeegee its just not possible to remove all the moisture from corners and edges, the only way to achieve optimal results is to use authentic glass detailing cloths, as we all know for general window cleaning you don't need to go to the extent of detailing the glass, when it comes to the likes of high end retailers, jewellers,opticans, etc, they are prepared to pay extra when you educate or demonstrate to them the end results which are achievable, i will even add that high end retailers are more than willing to pay for detailing their interior glass and mirror surfaces (especially their glass presentation cases) which is an add on that is widely untapped by many window cleaners, just to share some of my thoughts on detailing.
So you charge extra to do a proper job .I would show you the door
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Hello,
I cleaned M & S daily for twenty five years, Next, Debenhams. McDonalds, Mothercare and numerous others. It is only since I came on here I've read about detailing etc. and seen all sorts of alterations to squeegees.
Squeegees were invented I believe in about 1928, millions upon millions of square meters have been cleaned.
Why the need for any of the detailing and alterations to squeegees.
Nick, no matter how experienced or skilled you are with a squeegee its just not possible to remove all the moisture from corners and edges, the only way to achieve optimal results is to use authentic glass detailing cloths, as we all know for general window cleaning you don't need to go to the extent of detailing the glass, when it comes to the likes of high end retailers, jewellers,opticans, etc, they are prepared to pay extra when you educate or demonstrate to them the end results which are achievable, i will even add that high end retailers are more than willing to pay for detailing their interior glass and mirror surfaces (especially their glass presentation cases) which is an add on that is widely untapped by many window cleaners, just to share some of my thoughts on detailing.
So you charge extra to do a proper job .I would show you the door
Hi Paul, this is not about doing a proper job i already said that as we all know you don't need to go to the extent of detailing the glass on most jobs, i was trying to explain that there is a huge difference in quality and performance between microfiber cloths for cleaning glass and microfiber cloths for detailing glass, if you use both types already Paul you will know the difference.
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Get this long awaited website sorted then Tadgh and I'll gladly buy some to try them out :)
I'm not ringing offices though, I'm not a big fan of chatting to the mrs, let alone ringing a salesperson up!!!
Totally agree, Tadgh has a few items that I would gladly give a try but I cant be bothered buying products over the phone.
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Get this long awaited website sorted then Tadgh and I'll gladly buy some to try them out :)
I'm not ringing offices though, I'm not a big fan of chatting to the mrs, let alone ringing a salesperson up!!!
Hi Don, yes i'm with you about our website, but you should be able to source good quality microfiber detailing cloths online from other suppliers, i know that auto detailers swear by HPD cloths for achieving the perfect finish for the glass on their clients high end motors.
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Get this long awaited website sorted then Tadgh and I'll gladly buy some to try them out :)
I'm not ringing offices though, I'm not a big fan of chatting to the mrs, let alone ringing a salesperson up!!!
Totally agree, Tadgh has a few items that I would gladly give a try but I cant be bothered buying products over the phone.
Hi Sean, sorry we were nearly there but something else came up which should work out better for us in the long term, so i will let you know as soon as we have a shopping cart up, cheers Tadgh
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In the summer I use microfiber for both detailing and buffing in the winter I tend to use scrims for detailing as microfiber gets wet to easy.
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i still have some old large unger microwipes but after a few years they lose their absorbency.i mainly use unger "grade A" pre-washed scrims now.scrims are much better to use on a damp day(like today)
i also remember the thick irish linen i use to buy by the yard off a massive roll from a local hardware store before it shut down after 30+ years of trading.they took ages to "break in" but when they did they lasted ages even "ragging" all my round with no squeegeeing whatsoever! :)
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I'm happy with my Paragon fishscale cloths and using liquidator channels now reduce detailing to next too nothing.
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Morning Tadgh,
Do you have a price for your microfibers?
Thanks, phil
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Morning Tadgh,
Do you have a price for your microfibers?
Thanks, phil
Hi Phil, if you send an email to info@jskcleaning.ie i can forward you on the information. Tadgh
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Will do!!!
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Hi Guys, just to share if it can be of benefit to anyone who wants to offer detailing services on interior surfaces for any high end retailers, we also promote a product called Beyond-Kleen which is an ideal detailing product for glass,mirrors,crystal,screens,lighting fixtures and fittings, security camera lenses,glass presentation cases, etc. Beyond-Kleen contains no ipa,ammonia,solvents, and is an all-in-one product to clean shine and protect the above mentioned surfaces, if used in combination with microfiber HPD cloths the retailers will be blown away with the results achievable, Tadgh
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Why the need for any of the detailing and alterations to squeegees.
Because most window cleans will benefit from some attention to detail.
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Hi Guys, just to share if it can be of benefit to anyone who wants to offer detailing services on interior surfaces for any high end retailers, we also promote a product called Beyond-Kleen which is an ideal detailing product for glass,mirrors,crystal,screens,lighting fixtures and fittings, security camera lenses,glass presentation cases, etc. Beyond-Kleen contains no ipa,ammonia,solvents, and is an all-in-one product to clean shine and protect the above mentioned surfaces, if used in combination with microfiber HPD cloths the retailers will be blown away with the results achievable, Tadgh
Hello Tadgh, my email is
mattlogan@btinternet.com
Send over some info on what products maybe beneficial to me, I have a few cleaning contracts and do a hell of a lot of window cleaning.
Thanks
Matt
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Hi Guys, just to share if it can be of benefit to anyone who wants to offer detailing services on interior surfaces for any high end retailers, we also promote a product called Beyond-Kleen which is an ideal detailing product for glass,mirrors,crystal,screens,lighting fixtures and fittings, security camera lenses,glass presentation cases, etc. Beyond-Kleen contains no ipa,ammonia,solvents, and is an all-in-one product to clean shine and protect the above mentioned surfaces, if used in combination with microfiber HPD cloths the retailers will be blown away with the results achievable, Tadgh
Hello Tadgh, my email is
mattlogan@btinternet.com
Send over some info on what products maybe beneficial to me, I have a few cleaning contracts and do a hell of a lot of window cleaning.
Thanks
Matt
Cheers Matt, will do kind regards Tadgh
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I bought micro fibres from the wifes cousins shop which is Ayrshires equivalent to Home Bargains (although they sell some good stuff) as I was ordering Ninja costumes for the kids ::)roll so it bulked it up for free delivery!
Anyway 280gsm so not as good as Tadgh's 320gsm but for around 50-60 pence each they seem pretty good.
I agree with the telephone ordering, I like to analyse a product before ordering.
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I bought micro fibres from the wifes cousins shop which is Ayrshires equivalent to Home Bargains (although they sell some good stuff) as I was ordering Ninja costumes for the kids ::)roll so it bulked it up for free delivery!
Anyway 280gsm so not as good as Tadgh's 320gsm but for around 50-60 pence each they seem pretty good.
I agree with the telephone ordering, I like to analyse a product before ordering.
Hi Alan, when it comes to microfiber for cleaning glass don't judge quality by the gsm (grams per square meter) the quality and performance comes from the type and percentage of yarn and the way its woven, for example if you want a serious microfiber cloth for quality and performance when detailing glass/mirrors you can have a 150gsm microfiber detailing glass cloth which would be far superior in quality and performance than using a 340gsm microfiber glass cleaning cloth, just to share some of my experience of using different types of microfiber technology over the years, hope this may be of benefit for anyone looking to purchase microfiber cleaning/detailing cloths online. Tadgh