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UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Smurf on July 09, 2015, 11:52:18 am
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Just thought I would ask if anyone uses DIDECYLDIMETHYLAMMONIUM CHLORIDE on k render walls etc ?
Apparently it's the active ingredient in algoclear http://www.roofclean.co.uk/pdf/AlgoClear-Pro-Safety-Datasheet-2014.pdf and is cheaper to buy and more concentrated.
http://mistralni.co.uk/collections/biocides/products/didecyldimethylammonium-chloride
DIDECYLDIMETHYLAMMONIUM CHLORIDE
DDAC 50% Solution
Technical grade
It is a modern and safe biocide. It features broad spectrum activity against both gram positive and gram negative bacteria, fungicide and mildewcide, active against enveloped viruses (e.g. Hepatitis B, HIV), tolerance for anionic contaminants, high tolerance to hard water, maintains efficacy in presence of heavy organic soiling such as blood and protein, good surfactant and wetting properties. It has an amine content of approximately 1.5%. It is found in many Quat based moss killers.
Broad spectrum of activity against both gram positive and gram negative bacteria.
Fungicide, algaecide, moss killer and mildewcide. See Below
Active against enveloped viruses (e.g. Hepatitis B, HIV).
High tolerance to hard water.
Maintains efficacy in presence of heavy organic soiling such as blood and protein.
Good surfactant and wetting properties.
CAS No.: 7173-51-5
EINECS No.: 230-525-2
UN No.: 2920
INCI-Name Didecyldimonium chloride
Composition: A 50% active Solution of DDAC in water and IPA.
Use areas:
Disinfectant and disinfectant cleaner for hospitals, food industry, industrial kitchens
Laundry disinfectant.
Wood treatment (sapstain and decay).
Water treatment (swimming pools, cooling towers etc).
Slimicide (paper industry).
Algaecide / Fungicide (walls, patios, decking etc).
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Sounds like Algoclear !
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Yep…that will work.
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It isn't about the active ingredients it is about the way it is mixed, in what ratios and what with! I have chemists who make products for us who are very clever people but you cannot simply give them a product and ask them to Back engineer it. e.g. Coca Cola has phosphoric acid in it as an ingredient but you wouldn't drink Phosphoric Acid no matter how diluted would you? It is not quite as simple as you think.
We spent 5 years getting our High Alkaline Cleaner to work as it does today but there are dozens of High Alkaline Cleaners available on the market. The basic R&D is probably the same in most of them to a point but it is what you add and how you add it that makes a difference!
Kevin
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Yep…that will work.
Chris
Are you about? I wanna call you!
Kev
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Call me what?
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Chris,I expect nothing you've not been called before.
Kevin, I can supply the recipe for most cola's but the phosphoric ratio bepends on how hard the water its made with. The water softening is the scarey bit of your worried about the acids ! We used to bottle for Virgin cola and we had to use acid regen on the softening plant. Your right you would'nt drink it if you knew about the different colours, sweeteners and most of all velcorin !
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Carl
I would never drink coke ever! After once cleaning a Porcelain Floor in a nightclub I asked the manager what the 6 buckets of brown stuff were behind the bar and he said "That is all the waste cola left behind that the staff had collected" I asked why and he said " Before we leave every night we pour it equally into each of the toilets cos there is something in it that leaves the toilets lovely" ;D My son drinks gallons of the sh*t ::)roll
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Smurf,
I've got to be honest and did the same thing as you and researched the active ingredient in algoclear type products to see if I could buy it in a concentrated form from mistral.
They do a couple of quat type chemicals, the one you listed and BENZALKONIUM CHLORIDE - ALKYL DIMETHYL BENZYL AMMONIUM CHLORIDE.
I have this at home now (it was delivered yesterday) I actually think this is the wrong one. the link you listed is what I should have bought.
I'm spending a few days in the Yorkshire Dales walking at the moment why I get back I will be testing it
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Well it seems algoclear is just http://mistralni.co.uk/collections/biocides/products/didecyldimethylammonium-chloride that has just been relabled and sold at a handsome profit. That is unless anyone knows different for sure.
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Enjoy your holliday and forget about work for now ;)
Smurf,
I've got to be honest and did the same thing as you and researched the active ingredient in algoclear type products to see if I could buy it in a concentrated form from mistral.
They do a couple of quat type chemicals, the one you listed and BENZALKONIUM CHLORIDE - ALKYL DIMETHYL BENZYL AMMONIUM CHLORIDE.
I have this at home now (it was delivered yesterday) I actually think this is the wrong one. the link you listed is what I should have bought.
I'm spending a few days in the Yorkshire Dales walking at the moment why I get back I will be testing it
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You have found the Frenchmans secret out….top work Watson. You could of just asked ;D
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Ok what do you use Chris?
You have found the Frenchmans secret out….top work Watson. You could of just asked ;D
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Algoclear
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;D
Algoclear
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Ok what do you use Chris?
You have found the Frenchmans secret out….top work Watson. You could of just asked ;D
mistral don't sell ddac anymore does anyone know where you can get it now thanks bill
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Did they say the reason why not bill?
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If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests. It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like A****l*** ;D ;D ;D
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If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests. It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like A****l*** ;D ;D ;D
There are lots of mickey mouse product out there that don't realy work as they are p weak but yours sounds quite interesting...
How much?
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Did they say the reason why not bill?
no I've just been on website and nothing comes up when you type it in I bought some last month no problem and it works a treat
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If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests. It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like A****l*** ;D ;D ;D
Sounds interesting Kev, any idea of a price ?
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If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests. It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like A****l*** ;D ;D ;D
There are lots of mickey mouse product out there that don't realy work as they are p weak but yours sounds quite interesting...
How much?
Just working now on final pricing but it will be very competitive and it definitely works! I will try and post a few pictures of the various trials we did on it to show you all how good it is. However, like Algoclear the results are not instant ;D ;D ;D So I know a lot of you want instant results
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If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests. It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like A****l*** ;D ;D ;D
Sounds interesting Kev, any idea of a price ?
As per my answer to Smurf
Just working now on final pricing but it will be very competitive and it definitely works! I will try and post a few pictures of the various trials we did on it to show you all how good it is. However, like Algoclear the results are not instant ;D ;D ;D So I know a lot of you want instant results
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If you all think its the same just go and buy Wet N Forget from Costco which was supposedly developed in New Zealand it cost £17.99 a gallon.
I have one arriving next week that has been under development for 6 months and we have now completed on all tests. It is called Spray & Walk Away it is a lot like A****l*** ;D ;D ;D
theirs spray and walkaway on amazon is it the same stuff its from new zealand
There are lots of mickey mouse product out there that don't realy work as they are p weak but yours sounds quite interesting...
How much?
Just working now on final pricing but it will be very competitive and it definitely works! I will try and post a few pictures of the various trials we did on it to show you all how good it is. However, like Algoclear the results are not instant ;D ;D ;D So I know a lot of you want instant results
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If i's not instant I am out ;D
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If i's not instant I am out ;D
Unfortunately it will be called "Spray & Walk Away" not "Magic in a Bottle" ;D
Have you bought one of those new pressure washers yet?
You know the one don't you?
You lie in bed with your tablet,
It puts itself in the van,
Drives to the job by remote control,
Jumps out and sets itself up,
Does the job for you,
Collects the cash from the Custy + Tip,
Puts itself back in the van
Returns back to you by remote control ;D ;D ;D
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If i's not instant I am out ;D
Unfortunately it will be called "Spray & Walk Away" not "Magic in a Bottle" ;D
Have you bought one of those new pressure washers yet?
You know the one don't you?
You lie in bed with your tablet,
It puts itself in the van,
Drives to the job by remote control,
Jumps out and sets itself up,
Does the job for you,
Collects the cash from the Custy + Tip,
Puts itself back in the van
Returns back to you by remote control ;D ;D ;D
The problem is it's not just us that what instant results but also the customer, it's a very hard sell to try and take the customers money when they have not received what they paid for, you can tell them that eventually the stuff will give the desired result but until they see a result I think they would be very reluctant to pay.
I would thinks it's an ideal add on for surfaces that have been cleaned to give a protection against future growth
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If i's not instant I am out ;D
Unfortunately it will be called "Spray & Walk Away" not "Magic in a Bottle" ;D
Have you bought one of those new pressure washers yet?
You know the one don't you?
You lie in bed with your tablet,
It puts itself in the van,
Drives to the job by remote control,
Jumps out and sets itself up,
Does the job for you,
Collects the cash from the Custy + Tip,
Puts itself back in the van
Returns back to you by remote control ;D ;D ;D
The problem is it's not just us that what instant results but also the customer, it's a very hard sell to try and take the customers money when they have not received what they paid for, you can tell them that eventually the stuff will give the desired result but until they see a result I think they would be very reluctant to pay.
I would thinks it's an ideal add on for surfaces that have been cleaned to give a protection against future growth
It won't give protection against future growth…..go back and get payed later when the surface is clean AND UNDAMAGED.
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I have to say that if it is explained to a customer properly then there should be no issue to get paid. We did two tennis courts with it for one of my regular customers and earned a small fortune considering all we did was sprayed it and walked away! She rang me 3 days later to say how impressed she was with it!
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So how long does algoclear pro take to get a mossy/dirty area clean.
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I have to say that if it is explained to a customer properly then there should be no issue to get paid. We did two tennis courts with it for one of my regular customers and earned a small fortune considering all we did was sprayed it and walked away! She rang me 3 days later to say how impressed she was with it!
Of course if it 3 days, try telling them it's 3 months to see a result .
But if your product works in 3 days then I would say that's almost an instant result.
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Some surfaces will be clean within 12 hours.
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Some surfaces will be clean within 12 hours.
And others?
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Some surfaces will be clean within 12 hours.
And others?
Longer than 12 hours
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Some surfaces will be clean within 12 hours.
And others?
Longer than 12 hours
;D ;D ;D
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Reminds of that van someone posted a picture of on here a while ago which said -
" work guaranteed until the cheque clears " ;D
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Reminds of that van someone posted a picture of on here a while ago which said -
" work guaranteed until the cheque clears " ;D
;D
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Some surfaces will be clean within 12 hours.
And others?
Longer than 12 hours
So Mr customer I've got this great product that can have your roof cleaned either in 12 hours or 6 months dependant upon conditions etc etc. You can see why one professional cleaners are reluctant to offer it when they can't tell customers how quick their product will work.
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So Mr customer I've got this great product that can have your roof cleaned either in 12 hours or 6 months dependant upon conditions etc etc. …….The plus side is I am not going to wreck you roof in process.
"Professional cleaners" …do you know any? Most don't know their arse from their elbow.
I am a professional cleaner… I use the correct method for the substrate we are cleaning (soiling taking into consideration) .
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So Mr customer I've got this great product that can have your roof cleaned either in 12 hours or 6 months dependant upon conditions etc etc. …….The plus side is I am not going to wreck you roof in process.
"Professional cleaners" …do you know any? Most don't know their arse from their elbow.
I am a professional cleaner… I use the correct method for the substrate we are cleaning (soiling taking into consideration) .
Some people would argue a professional cleaner would not pressure wash soffit, facials and gutters.. You do. You say it does not damage the s,f,g cause you do it right. Some people will disagree with that. Just like those that pressure wash roofs and if done correctly can be just as efficient as algoclear pro but with immediate results.
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Sometimes I pressure wash roofs https://youtu.be/7JTd12Bgmso
I do pressure washer UPVC …window cleaners will always disagree with me here as they have spent thousands on Di set ups…which gives excellent results on windows. I don't clean windows.
I have never damaged plastic pressure washing…some use jiff ,solvent ,caustic etc . These products dull /damage plastics.
Here is the map for professionals who soft wash roofs http://www.roofclean.co.uk/distributor-and-applicators.php
And one for Ireland http://www.softwashireland.ie/distributor-and-applicators.php
Can you show me a map of "professional cleaners " that don't use Quats so we can evaluate the information….We can then decide if professional cleaners are reluctant to offer this method as you state. Based on fact not speculation.
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Sometimes I pressure wash roofs https://youtu.be/7JTd12Bgmso
Just a suggestion but I would use a couple of rope protectors where ropes are rubbing on ridge tiles if you don't your ropes will soon be knackered
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Sometimes I pressure wash roofs https://youtu.be/7JTd12Bgmso
Just a suggestion but I would use a couple of rope protectors where ropes are rubbing on ridge tiles if you don't your ropes will soon be knackered
I have "lay flat" pipe we put on the ropes …but we had "forgot it" that day. Not to self …load the van yourself!
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Sometimes I pressure wash roofs https://youtu.be/7JTd12Bgmso
I do pressure washer UPVC …window cleaners will always disagree with me here as they have spent thousands on Di set ups…which gives excellent results on windows. I don't clean windows.
I have never damaged plastic pressure washing…some use jiff ,solvent ,caustic etc . These products dull /damage plastics.
Here is the map for professionals who soft wash roofs http://www.roofclean.co.uk/distributor-and-applicators.php
And one for Ireland http://www.softwashireland.ie/distributor-and-applicators.php
Can you show me a map of "professional cleaners " that don't use Quats so we can evaluate the information….We can then decide if professional cleaners are reluctant to offer this method as you state. Based on fact not speculation.
So unless you are on that companies list you are not a professional roof cleaner? Are they an independant testing organisation or is it a case of buy our products and pay us and your on the list?
Do they do ongoing job visits to evaluate that your are doing the job right and following H&S guidelines? Do they check your liability insurance to make sure they are adequate ? How are they accessing your professionalism?
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No …It is just a list an "indication" of "professional cleaning" companies that have had some form of basic training in this method and are happy to recommend this it. I was going to compare to the list of " professional cleaners are reluctant to offer it when they can't tell customers how quick their product will work" . …general statistics of those that do and those that don't recommend this method.
I have seen many surfaces wrecked by professional cleaning companies…possibly 10x more than those destroyed by the DIY (market) attempts at cleaning.
'So unless you are on that companies list you are not a professional roof cleaner? Are they an independant testing organisation or is it a case of buy our products and pay us and your on the list?
Do they do ongoing job visits to evaluate that your are doing the job right and following H&S guidelines? Do they check your liability insurance to make sure they are adequate ? How are they accessing your professionalism?"
This is check a trade…rated people , Safe contractor , CSCS etc …. we can all pay to be "considered" professional.
A professional job is down to the individual contractor.
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The problem is that people need to try products on different types of substrates with different degrees of contamination! Sadly lots of people are sceptical and often frightened to try other methods! Just because hypo works on some things as do acids does not mean we have to use themall the time especially when, gentler more enviromentally friendly cleaning methods work just as well albeit, a little slower, so what? By all means knock people and advice if you have tried the methods yourself but don't just knock something because you think it's wrong. Chris Scott and I have had a few run ins over the last few years but in the main he is a very skilled professional with a great understanding of the task at hand and most of the time he employs the best and most efficient methods to tackle specific problems.
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Chris Scott and I have had a few run ins over the last few years but in the main he is a very skilled professional with a great understanding of the task at hand and most of the time he employs the best and most efficient methods to tackle specific problems.
Is their something wrong with you ? Are you going soft?
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Chris Scott and I have had a few run ins over the last few years but in the main he is a very skilled professional with a great understanding of the task at hand and most of the time he employs the best and most efficient methods to tackle specific problems.
Is their something wrong with you ? Are you going soft?
I was thinking the same Chris.
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Chris Scott and I have had a few run ins over the last few years but in the main he is a very skilled professional with a great understanding of the task at hand and most of the time he employs the best and most efficient methods to tackle specific problems.
Is their something wrong with you ? Are you going soft?
Is that an invite to one of your cross dressing parties ;D ;D ;D
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I think Kev is going soft :o About this 20% discount . . . . . . . ;D
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I've just been researching the active ingredients in some patio/driveway cleaners and came across this thread by googling the same stuff as Smurf!
Any updates? Does the Mistral stuff work?
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Yes it does as it's 50% DDAC exactly the same stuff as what others are selling just with a different label on it.
Mind Algoclear Pro is 40% DDAC but is pure unlike the other 50% malarky. After saying that you also may need to use hypo or hypo gel as well. lol
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Christ who resurrected this post? It brought back memories of my mate Tadgh ;D ;D ;D
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Lol - sorry ;D
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what about this ? -
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BAC50-Benzalkonium-Chloride-Algaecide-Bactericide-and-Fungicide-5-Litre/232214993170?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44293%26meid%3Df23c4c0a2e3c42b4aca8868be0086f03%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111994275460
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http://www.bonnymans.co.uk/products/product.php?categoryID=1411&productID=8821
Bac50 with additives, no idea what the additives are but it's cheaper than http://www.bonnymans.co.uk/products/product.php?categoryID=1929&productID=8802 which I'll assume is bac50 with some other additives.
Buying 20l of the softwash pro50 (including uk delivery) is only £24.00 more than buying 20l of (bonnymans pro50 with local delivery)