Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: john martin on June 28, 2015, 11:24:21 pm
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There is a carpet cleaning reality TV show ? what is this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvBPQeF2Gqc
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I'm a bit of a fan of this guy :o . I like the way he applies protector using a trigger spray. Must use about 2 oz per room. Very economical. ;D .
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He's not a very good cleaner :( terrible wand technique. He cleans stairs with a normal carpet wand. No pre vac, no agitation. Plus, and worse of all he's a right sweaty bugger.
Apart from that might be a good watch.
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Carpet dawg, on this movie we can see how most of truck mounters clean carpets, becouse they have a truck mount they think theres no need to agitate.
Just a reality.
ps. 40k truck mount and such a cheap service
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Radek,isnt your machine truckmounted ;D
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Radek,isnt your machine truckmounted ;D
haha
yes it is, electric porty van mounted,
but I do mention about many that does not agitate, even lots of porty users skip this step. Agitation is most important!
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Carpet dawg, on this movie we can see how most of truck mounters clean carpets, becouse they have a truck mount they think theres no need to agitate.
Just a reality.
How do you know this?.. You know most truckmounter do you?
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Radek,have you tried your new rotary machine on carpets..
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Radek,have you tried your new rotary machine on carpets..
no brendan, I dont realy do bonneting
mike, no need to know in person, its a fact and its been talked here and in other places many times,
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Radek,
You honestly believe most truckmounters are on here?
A lot or truckmounters I know agitate, not all, but most
You cannot state fact just because you read it on a forum 😂
If we did that we'd all be using Mpower for everything 😂
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I have been in the industry for over 20 years and I would say the the vast majority of truckmounters are people who have made a natural progression in the industry always wanting to improve and use the best techniques and equipment.
There are ignorant people who are unaware of the proper methods but I would think that the majority of those are using cheap portables because they do not know any better. I would say that in any industry there is a large number of people who want to give the least for the most they can charge. then you will have the minority and I think that hard working honest and people who take pride in what they do are in the minority these day as there is probably 10 of them for every genuine person.
The porty people have a very anti truckmount issue but we are just people who have moved on, why the small minded statements there is good and bad everywhere.
Many of us have pioneered a lot of the systems and methods that many newbies see as new technology.
Peter
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Billy I know what you mean, and I also know people are lazy, If I can see porty operators not agitating, doing full houses in an hour I am sure there are truckmounters that are even lazier.
Theres only one truck mount operator in my area, once I was cleaning for his customer, he said that I am similar, just I use electricity and he is using petrol machine. Asked how goid he was and answer was not good, after longer conversation I found he never prespray, agitate etc. straight to the wand so the result wasnt good, heat is not enough.
I know not all are like that but be fair, lots are.
I am not anti truck... , would love to have one, just so far I dont need it.
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Radek,
You are making too many assumptions.
You assume that you need to agitate on every carpet. (in fact using a crb or rotary machine etc on carpets that don't need it can unnecessarily damage a carpet)
You assume that anyone who doesn't do that is wrong.
You assume that people with TM's do not agitate simply because they have a TM, when the fact is they are probably professional enough to know when and when not to agitate.
And you assume that those that don't agitate every carpet, tm'er or otherwise, do it out of laziness.
Simon
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wow, did not know I could do so many damages for the last 3 years wow :) RofL
there always will be some stupid explanation just to explain yourself :)
every carpet should be agitated, just dont use it on some carpet and then run your crb and have a look under the machine, what amount of dirt it picked up, hairs abd more.
And please do not say that truck mounters are better professional as is not true and is not a rule. There are good and bad guys on both sides. They are just faster loaded with enough work to use TM.
Radek
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Radek,
Oh well, if you’ve only been doing this for three years that explains your inexperienced view on how to clean a carpet. I’ve been cleaning carpets for 40 years, so I’m a little bit more experienced than you are.
Here’s how it works. A professional carpet cleaner turns up to a job and in the back of his van he has the means to clean any carpet, regardless of age or condition.
What he doesn’t do is go in there with your blunderbuss approach. He assess how best to clean the carpet given its colour, fibre type and soil conditions etc and then decides how best to clean it, while causing minimal damage to the carpet in-so-doing. So if it was very dirty he might use one of an assortment of pre-sprays, which he would apply hot, as hot pre-sprays work far better. Then he could, if he thought it necessary, agitate that pre-spray with one of three methods, stiff pile brush, rotary pad, or mechanical brush, but he would only go for the latter as a last resort – why? Because mechanical agitation, CRB or rotary brush applies a high degree of friction that has the effect of untwisting pile yarns, which in turn can help flatten a carpet and is to be avoided wherever possible. Have you never wondered where all of those carpet fibres a crb machine deposits in clumps on the carpet come from, were they lose before or have they been ripped out of the carpet by you?
Guess what, I have all three methods of agitation available to me at all times, but because I know what I am doing, I know when and when not to use them and yet still produce stunning carpet cleaning results.
We are technicians, Radek, and just because we have a tool available to us does not mean we should use it every time we clean a carpet.
But you clearly have it in your head that every carpet must have a crb over it regardless, regardless that is of the secondary damage you have done to that carpet that need not have occurred had you not been so inexperienced.
Simon
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no simon, a professional carpet cleaner turns up to a job and simply choose the quicker way to do the job, charge max per hour, dont giving a sh..t to any detail of the job. This is what I see around.
Expierience is nothing for many, as another cleaner with 30 years in this industry will be a crapy cleaner.
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LADIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Radek
It might be worth your while re-reading Peter Maybury & Simon Gerrards' posts and taking note - as you could end up as the cleaner with 30 years experience and still be crap.
On the other hand apply to the truckmounters forum & if they accept you you might learn alot more beneficial and correct practices than you will find here, where you have to learn to differentiate between the comments given a complete part-time newbie who reckons he knows it all & someone who really does know what they are talking about
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Radek,
There you go making sweeping assumptions again.!!!
I know lots of carpet cleaners and have yet to meet one that just chooses the quickest possible way to clean a carpet, whilst charging the highest possible price and not giving a sh-t about the result.
Are there carpet cleaners who are better than others? Yes, there are, but is that through intent or ignorance of how they could do the job better, I'd suggest the latter.
You're inexperience tells you that you should scrub the living day lights out of carpets that don't need it and yet in the same breathe criticise those that don't and because of that you assume that they have chosen the easy option and by doing so short changed their customer whilst charging top dollar.
This of course ignores the imperative of keeping your customers and have them recommend you to others, which no matter what your skill level is an essential element of staying in business, which must be hard to do if you don't give a sh-t in the first place.
Simon
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oh guys, how easy to be such a good professional on internet, but we know how it is in real life :) just like with so many here charging very high prices and saying it here but just send them email enquiry to see what a s..t they say.
Simon you are 30 years in business, what about your employees? Do you always go with them to give them instructions how to do every carpet seperate, do you visit every house to quote and then do you write instruction?
I did not start this to say all are crap, I say many are not agitating at all, nearly any carpet.
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Good morning Radek,
I see a good nights sleep hasn't helped alter your twisted view of your fellow carpet cleaners who according to you are a bunch of villains masquerading as professional carpet cleaners. ;D
Simon
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Good morning.
Will I see the answer on my question to you?
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Good morning Radek,
I see a good nights sleep hasn't helped alter your twisted view of your fellow carpet cleaners who according to you are a bunch of villains masquerading as professional carpet cleaners. ;D
Simon
That is just you Simon....... :P
Where have you been, the forum has been sensible quiet without you...
;D ;D
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Good morning.
Will I see the answer on my question to you?
Radek,
To answer your question, the people who work for me are trained to my meticulous standards and because it is my name on every job, so they clean them exactly as I want it. We contact every customer post cleaning and ask them to complete a Trading Standards, Good Trader questionnaire and have won two awards in 2015 from them based on the standard and quality of our work, the first was a certificate of excellence and the second, Newcomer of the Year, having only been a member of the scheme for four months.
You're assumption that those that don't agitate on very carpet, regardless of its condition, can't be doing the job properly is utter rubbish and I very much doubt based on fact, but based solely on your myopic view of how to clean carpets.
Simon
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Hi Hector,
Hope you're keeping well.
The above is one reason why lots of highly experienced cc'ers don't partake in this forum, when you come across people like Radek who could easily write the sum total of their carpet cleaning knowledge on the back of a stamp, with room to spare to explain in detail how best to clean a carpet. The reason that I have done in the past is that I owe a deep debt of gratitude to people who helped me in my early years, most notably, Ron Tilley of Prochem and many others who willingly gave their time and the benefit of their experience to a complete newbie. And now with 40 years of experience under my belt, I try to repay that debt by doing similar, I know that might sound cheesy, but that is the depth of my gratitude to those people.
But it is always worth coming on here if only to have some friendly banter with the likes of you. ;D
Simon
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Hi Hector,
Hope you're keeping well..........
But it is always worth coming on here if only to have some friendly banter with the likes of you. ;D
Simon
So, Hector - should we interpret that as you are OK at muck spreading - know nowt about other forms of carpet cleaning - but always good for a laugh? ;)
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summat like that aye... :P
I think I may have picked a bit up after 27 years in the industry though... Simon will tell you not much though....
I can also twirl a rag with the best of them..
;D ;D
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then truckie v porty thing is always apparent on here. 20 years age I was encapping with peroxide in the solution. Was trying to improve performance of porty 's had them truckmounted, A guy that I worked for 30 years ago bought a pile of vac motors with 12" fans at an auction and had a fibreglass machine fabricated that could house 2 of the motors was 1500mm high and could be wheeled through a standard doorway , with 80 gall fresh and recovery tanks. We were all looking for the best machine we could get. I lose count at about 47 electric machines that I have owned. I stopped messing about trying to improve electric machines when I had the realisation that a 13 amp plug can produce 3 HP or so. increasing the performance of an electric machine by 10 or 20 percent is so insignificant to increasing the performance of a truckmount by the same percentage. The difference with the truckmount would be greater than the total performance of an electric machine. Heat is a by product of the machine so nothing else is required you can have an entry level machine that produces the power of 6 plugs with the heat as a bonus or even a 27 hp that has the power of 9 plugs. Simons machine is again in a different league , but who the hell on here would not want a business that has the means to buy such a machine or thew customers that require it.
So when you porty .s make statements like " a truckmount not that I would have one" makes me think what dickheads they are.
I have no alliegance to any manufacturer or system or manufacturer I would like my business to be successful enough to be able to afford the equipment that will allow me to expand my business and service the revenue streams that are there.
A truckmount is the total definition of a machine to be capable of volume and whilst many of you have this narrow minded veiw of things, many of you will learn the same lessons as me, some will take longer than others.
If you wish to service a broad spectrum of customers you need to be proficient at all aspects of carpet cleaning, otherwise you need to market to specific markets, or the other way is you can lie to your customers .
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then truckie v porty thing is always apparent on here. 20 years age I was encapping with peroxide in the solution. Was trying to improve performance of porty 's had them truckmounted, A guy that I worked for 30 years ago bought a pile of vac motors with 12" fans at an auction and had a fibreglass machine fabricated that could house 2 of the motors was 1500mm high and could be wheeled through a standard doorway , with 80 gall fresh and recovery tanks. We were all looking for the best machine we could get. I lose count at about 47 electric machines that I have owned. I stopped messing about trying to improve electric machines when I had the realisation that a 13 amp plug can produce 3 HP or so. increasing the performance of an electric machine by 10 or 20 percent is so insignificant to increasing the performance of a truckmount by the same percentage. The difference with the truckmount would be greater than the total performance of an electric machine. Heat is a by product of the machine so nothing else is required you can have an entry level machine that produces the power of 6 plugs with the heat as a bonus or even a 27 hp that has the power of 9 plugs. Simons machine is again in a different league , but who the hell on here would not want a business that has the means to buy such a machine or thew customers that require it.
So when you porty .s make statements like " a truckmount not that I would have one" makes me think what dickheads they are.
I have no alliegance to any manufacturer or system or manufacturer I would like my business to be successful enough to be able to afford the equipment that will allow me to expand my business and service the revenue streams that are there.
A truckmount is the total definition of a machine to be capable of volume and whilst many of you have this narrow minded veiw of things, many of you will learn the same lessons as me, some will take longer than others.
If you wish to service a broad spectrum of customers you need to be proficient at all aspects of carpet cleaning, otherwise you need to market to specific markets, or the other way is you can lie to your customers .
So you played around with electrical performance for years and only gained 10 or 20 percent and concluded you need six cords .
I can conclude you didn't know what you were doing. :)
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Got to say since getting my TM carpets look better and dryer and I was using a high end porty.
Always agitate and vac and groom and use a dryer...........
The results speak for themselves no debate to be had imo
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Always agitate and vac and groom and use a dryer...........
hmmmm, what the hell you doing? always agitating? you need to read what simon said :) you are untwisting piles so loats of damage :) stop doing it !
sorry couldnt resist :)
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;D ;D ;D Sorry Simon guess I am a porty at heart...... love my TM though. That said I do use different methods to agitate.
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To get the power of a truck mount you need that many cables. A 10 or 20 % improvement on a portable is totally insignificant compared to the overall power of a truck mount. Whoever suggested that an electric machine can be compared at all to a petrol or diesel machine was doing nothing more than misleading people. I can t believe the gullibility of people to think that they have anything electric that can perform like a truck mount.
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To get the power of a truck mount you need that many cables. A 10 or 20 % improvement on a portable is totally insignificant compared to the overall power of a truck mount. Whoever suggested that an electric machine can be compared at all to a petrol or diesel machine was doing nothing more than misleading people. I can t believe the gullibility of people to think that they have anything electric that can perform like a truck mount.
Sure a truckmount has good performance but you need to open your mind a bit more to what be achieved electrically with even two cords .
if you have two high performance 7amp motors in parallel ... and you put two more behind those in series ( or even just 5amp vacs if u want to keep it 'legal ' )
Then what do you have ... a two cord machine with a hell of a lot more than a 10-20 % increase in performance .
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But still a toy compared to a truckmount.
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But still a toy compared to a truckmount.
everything is relative , im sure an 18hp TM could be called a toy compared to a 40HP
I have never heard of the Mytee Escapes performance totally dismissed as toy like by those that run them .
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Nor have I heard of a Rug Doctors performance dismissed as a toy by those that run them - but then that in no way means that they have any performance in the first place
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Nor have I heard of a Rug Doctors performance dismissed as a toy by those that run them - but then that in no way means that they have any performance in the first place
Well most that have tried the Escape so far have some experience of TMs , especially in the US where TMs are the standard , where as rug doctor users would be in the experienced or just idiot category .
Im not comparing TMs and Electric machines , just says the performance of the Escape is adequate for 100ft good suction on most jobs and is greatly increased suction over a two vac portable .
Some here have put their hand over the escape hose end ... was it a complete toy ?
Look at the US forums , one of the biggest loudmouths there that have two Everest equipped vans chooses to bring one of his two Escape vans to work nearly every day for domestics .
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john,always like your style,but you know Deron is john lab muppet.
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john,always like your style,but you know Deron is john lab muppet.
lol , yeah , but i dont think its like hes paid to promote them ... its more like he wants to think he has a hand in developing the products or something like that . Anyway he does seem to genuinely use them day to day .
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Porty vs Tm. You chaps including John Martin need to invest in some professional gauges. John, Deron (Alex) never slapped a gauge on his M5 or Escape and posted the results even after repeated requests . Hmmm
https://youtu.be/nW5K2NVFUCY
Escape is OK but soooo much cheaper to boost a porty for similar results. PM Escape owners for all the scoop on free upgrades or fixes. Ask if they would buy a 2nd. Only deron would buy 2 . He has only ONE Everest and won't give it up.
Most are destined to a rug plant or a institution where it is at its best..
Thanks for the invite !!!!!! :) :) :) :) ;D
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Porty vs Tm. You chaps including John Martin need to invest in some professional gauges. John, Deron (Alex) never slapped a gauge on his M5 or Escape and posted the results even after repeated requests . Hmmm
https://youtu.be/nW5K2NVFUCY
Escape is OK but soooo much cheaper to boost a porty for similar results. PM Escape owners for all the scoop on free upgrades or fixes. Ask if they would buy a 2nd. Only deron would buy 2 . He has only ONE Everest and won't give it up.
Most are destined to a rug plant or a institution where it is at its best..
Thanks for the invite !!!!!! :) :) :) :) ;D
Thats what i get for pestering the Americans :-X
I do have a well used lift gauge Jim .
Didnt you try and build a homemade Escape which you run every day ?
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LOL Post was meant for all shooting out specs, stats etc. without no real end user testing with VIDEOS . My post shows my set up .
Everyday ? H>>> no. I'm part time. 6-10 jobs per week (3-4 days) in the busy season. 8.4s are approaching 1400 hours per hour meter. Full time ....gas TM
Here in the staes we can't count on 240 vt being available et every location which is what the Escape requires. May be great in the UK etc.. However dig deeper and you will find there has been many ongoing problems since day one. Your Cleanstorm or similar with a pair rear mounted booster motors is a better choice IMO. Imperative you add Fossil fueled heat source to compete with a high flow more efficient truckmount.
Your cleanstorm like my Jag would still be TRULY portable which the Escape is not.
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LOL Post was meant for all shooting out specs, stats etc. without no real end user testing with VIDEOS . My post shows my set up .
Everyday ? H>>> no. I'm part time. 6-10 jobs per week (3-4 days) in the busy season. 8.4s are approaching 1400 hours per hour meter. Full time ....gas TM
Here in the staes we can't count on 240 vt being available et every location which is what the Escape requires. May be great in the UK etc.. However dig deeper and you will find there has been many ongoing problems since day one. Your Cleanstorm or similar with a pair rear mounted booster motors is a better choice IMO. Imperative you add Fossil fueled heat source to compete with a high flow more efficient truckmount.
Your cleanstorm like my Jag would still be TRULY portable which the Escape is not.
Yeah , a few things are a bit different here , fossil fuel are rarely used compared to the states , perhaps in part because 3kw electric heat ... or two electric heaters are not too bad here . Could also be lack of availability and fire risk concerns .
Also ... American houses , many seem to have grass between door and parking area , certainly in my area u can almost always drive right up to the door and around the house , making any van mount u might have use less hose , and also making it easy to use a portable .
The Escape didnt take off here , i have no doubt that some of the UK companies could make a much better attempt refinement wise .
Dont think anyone has rear boosted the Storm , again most probably find performance 'adequate ' for close range work .
TMs ... i think you can work fulltime with an electric machine without killing yourself , depends on how much u take on and charge i suppose . I would probably have been tempted by now but im in an area with no TM sales or service . Only one guy in my area bought a huge newTM/sprinter a few years back , the recession seemed to wipe him out ... im still here , would definitely have one if living in the states .
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The funniest carpet cleaning video i've seen for a long time !