Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Terry_Burrows on June 10, 2015, 08:41:04 pm
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Hi guys I was asked to try out
Vision I was impressed with this chem, it's a cleaner works really well with the blade ,and for some reason
Leaves the windows very shiny ,I have used on commercial work, I don't do much these days so I can spend time on new stuff, I like this very much ,give it a go guys you will like it 😀🙏🏻
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Over to you Sean ;)
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Terry Burrows. Hmmm. Didn't you post on here back in 2012?
Anyone else heard of this stuff?
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Yes I was warned of troll crap lol they were right Small minded window cleaners lol
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Terry Burrows. Hmmm. Didn't you post on here back in 2012? And your problem is..
Anyone else heard of this stuff?
Terry Burrows. Hmmm. Didn't you post on here back in 2012?
Anyone else heard of this stuff?
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Terry Burrows. Hmmm. Didn't you post on here back in 2012? And your problem is..
Anyone else heard of this stuff?
Terry Burrows. Hmmm. Didn't you post on here back in 2012?
Anyone else heard of this stuff?
Terry Burrows. Hmmm. Didn't you post on here back in 2012? And your problem is..
Anyone else heard of this stuff?
Terry Burrows. Hmmm. Didn't you post on here back in 2012?
Anyone else heard of this stuff?
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im using it must admit i like it
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You having problems with the new software Terry? Or do you like my post so much you re-posted it twice?
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im using it must admit i like it
Mine came other day and tried it today on my own windows.
I must admit its good stuff.
Wife was sat out the back and said the windows look gleaming or is it the way the sun light was shining on them she did not know I used vision.
Only one down side it took 3 cleans for me to feel any difference to my water hating windows.
So +1 from me
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Wow Halton liked the stuff, I did not see that one coming. ;D
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SeanK - posting on a Vision thread
Didn't see that one coming
Lol , lol
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SeanK - posting on a Vision thread
Didn't see that one coming
Lol , lol
Less than 4 minutes to reply, you must have suspected I might. I suspect I'm one of the trolls you warned Terry about. :-*
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I can see it on the Vision website.
'As endorsed by Terry 'Turbo' Burrows - the fastest window cleaner in his own lunch-box'.
I wonder how much he's getting for that ;)
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Hi guys I was asked to try out
Vision I was impressed with this chem, it's a cleaner works really well with the blade ,and for some reason
Leaves the windows very shiny ,I have used on commercial work, I don't do much these days so I can spend time on new stuff, I like this very much ,give it a go guys you will like it 😀🙏🏻
Terry are you using this for trad work as you say works really well with the blade?
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I don't know Terry , and never chatted to him directly . Probably kevin knows him .
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Tried it liked it but ditched it now prefer my own mix better shine no bubbles cheaper no spotting
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Tried it liked it but ditched it now prefer my own mix better shine no bubbles cheaper no spotting
Which is ... ?
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50 ml of distilled vinegar in a 1 litre bottle top up with pure water then 0.75 ml ( one squirt of Sainsbury's soap dispenser )of ecover shake ( after putting top on ) use 200ml per 25 litre barrel . If trad 200 ml in 5 litres of tap water . Only time you can smell vinegar is when you pour it out of bottle .
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Tried it liked it but ditched it now prefer my own mix better shine no bubbles cheaper no spotting
You should bottle and sell it Paul, if you want I will say I have bought a bottle but want to know if I should buy it or not.
After a bit of debating I will say please guys I want honest impartial advice but will only listen to anything positive said.
Thank the honest guys who said positive things about your product and then buy a 10 years supply.
QL can then start another post on your product a week later and I will say I have increased my work speed by 30%
and all my customers are happy because its the first time I have cleaned their windows without leaving them covered in
spots and runs.
You will be laughing all the way to the bank, just remember not to sell it on places like Amazon where the feedback
might not go in your favour.
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I must be a mug then SeanK would rather help someone out than rip someone off
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Tried it liked it but ditched it now prefer my own mix better shine no bubbles cheaper no spotting
You should bottle and sell it Paul, if you want I will say I have bought a bottle but want to know if I should buy it or not.
After a bit of debating I will say please guys I want honest impartial advice but will only listen to anything positive said.
Thank the honest guys who said positive things about your product and then buy a 10 years supply.
QL can then start another post on your product a week later and I will say I have increased my work speed by 30%
and all my customers are happy because its the first time I have cleaned their windows without leaving them covered in
spots and runs.
You will be laughing all the way to the bank, just remember not to sell it on places like Amazon where the feedback
might not go in your favour.
I only glanced over that, did you mention the bit about all your customers now being delighted that their windows are shining with renewed vigour?
Hey, there's a thought, you could call it vigour. Or vinegar for short?
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No that will come later when we need to reel in the ones that aren't just as easily fooled.
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I like it Viqour it is unless anyone knows any better .Maybe I should sell shares in it and sell it on other forums then we could all be millionaires this time next year what do you say Rodney
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50 ml of distilled vinegar in a 1 litre bottle top up with pure water then 0.75 ml ( one squirt of Sainsbury's soap dispenser )of ecover shake ( after putting top on ) use 200ml per 25 litre barrel . If trad 200 ml in 5 litres of tap water . Only time you can smell vinegar is when you pour it out of bottle .
I tried that this week after you mentioned it on another post.
I must admit, the two jobs I got a chance to see when the windows were dry as I did the insides, either I'm fooling myself or the glass was unusually immaculate.
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I wonder what its like without vinegar . Bet its like something else I have heard of but cannot remember the name
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Thank you or giving It a go that's the result I got if you try a drop of ecover it slips a bit better . Too much ecover and its so slippery its unbelievable but you get spotting
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I like it Viqour it is unless anyone knows any better .Maybe I should sell shares in it and sell it on other forums then we could all be millionaires this time next year what do you say Rodney
How about Victor instead.
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Vanquished
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Paul could you tell me when your bringing out the environmentally friendly version of Vigour.
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Same time as Clarkson buy's a Prius F the environment that's why I like my 4x4 I am saving the world from man eating polar bears I
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That's a pretty high dilution - you sure the plants like it?
GG4 or Vision users would be adding something like 2ml to 200l of water.
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Is it any good if you put salt in it too?
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Is it any good if you put salt in it too?
think a teaspoon of marmite would work better.
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I used vision when working trad and results were awful,I put a couple of mls in the bucket and it left smears galore.
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0.75 or 3/4 of a ml of ecover so less than vision or gg4 not affected wifes plants yet
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Squeeze a microfibre out in a bucket with it in and shine some glass with it dampish and see the results lol
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0.75 or 3/4 of a ml of ecover so less than vision or gg4 not affected wifes plants yet
Paul I think Dave is talking about the vinegar, I know some use it to kill weeds but I don't think 10ml diluted in 25 litres
of water would do any harm, which is what your using if my maths are correct.
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;D yes the vinegar. Basically you are washing the windows with weak acid. Ecover is probably very safe and not bad for plants - pretty sure you can dilute it to kill aphids on yer roses. (don't quote me on that).
Several people have already used a small amount of Ecover in their pure water including the Vision boys. I've not tried it myself but it should give the glide and cut the surface tension. Don't know what it does to TDS.
More tea Viqour?
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yes 10 ml in 25 litres . tds goes up as it does with vision . I only know it cleans windows lovely with vinegar been used for years for cleaning windows
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TDS doesn't go up with Vision at least one doesn't
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mine went up not a lot . Will recheck still have some somewhere .
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That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then be back with renewed vigour
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That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then be back with renewed vigour
Enjoy your holiday Paul, there's no hurry on releasing Vigour on to the market, better to do it in the middle of winter
when bird poo is easier to remove and there will be very little snail trails on the glass.
We can then say its Vigour doing the work and our suckers I mean customers will be non the wiser.
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That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then be back with renewed vigour
Enjoy your holiday Paul, there's no hurry on releasing Vigour on to the market, better to do it in the middle of winter
when bird poo is easier to remove and there will be very little snail trails on the glass.
We can then say its Vigour doing the work and our suckers I mean customers will be non the wiser.
Come on Sean.
I know you live and work in Ireland but please have more faith in your nation, they wouldn't fall for such a thing.
I love the Irish. ;D
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There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.
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There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.
Hi Gerald, may I ask about the bit in red; what didn't your customer like?
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That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then be back with renewed vigour
Enjoy your holiday Paul, there's no hurry on releasing Vigour on to the market, better to do it in the middle of winter
when bird poo is easier to remove and there will be very little snail trails on the glass.
We can then say its Vigour doing the work and our suckers I mean customers will be non the wiser.
Come on Sean.
I know you live and work in Ireland but please have more faith in your nation, they wouldn't fall for such a thing.
I love the Irish. ;D
Fall for what ? Vigour works you just need to have faith in it.
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There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.
Gerard the fact is it does none of what you have stated, its a product designed to snare inexperienced newbie windows
cleaners into believing they cant clean without it.
Even if you have never used the product this is clearly visible in the way they sell and market it.
You talk about it removing bird muck easier yet you didn't come forward and recommend it when somebody was having
problems with bird muck on their windows in a post a few months back and neither did any of the sellers, strange that one.
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There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.
;D ;D ;D
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Exactly ;)
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It's all about opinions . Gerald likes it as do many others .
SeanK etc just don't like it and fair enough . Just a shame you devote so much time in expressing this .
The forum is good for persons to seek advice and get educated on various products out there such as poles , RO etc .
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These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!
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These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!
What can you possibly mean ??? ??? ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!
When people use the forum just to wind people up IMO it is a pointless exercise and one reason some leave/do not bother to post.
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Yes I was warned of troll crap lol they were right Small minded window cleaners lol
lol
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These Vision posts are nearly as good as the Magica Go One posts!!!!
Some people are so easy to wind up!!!
When people use the forum just to wind people up IMO it is a pointless exercise and one reason some leave/do not bother to post.
After Jake left it was game over for the forum. It will just be a downward spiral :(
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It's all about opinions . Gerald likes it as do many others .
SeanK etc just don't like it and fair enough . Just a shame you devote so much time in expressing this .
The forum is good for persons to seek advice and get educated on various products out there such as poles , RO etc .
There's no shame in giving out advice if you believe it helps others no matter how much time you spend doing it.
What people do with that advice is up to them.
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Everyone likes different products and different ways of working .
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If you don't like it, SHUT UP. Getting boring now. I use it, Its no miracle thing, but I like it better than just pure....now I am used to it :)
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If you don't like it, SHUT UP. Getting boring now. I use it, Its no miracle thing, but I like it better than just pure....now I am used to it :)
You know what I do when something I read bores me ? I stop reading it or commenting on it, so if it says Vision or additive stay clear.
There you go, some helpful advice.
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So why do you comment on every Vision post. We know you don't like it. You have told us 1000 times.
I see a title Vision. I read it because I use it and like it
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So why do you comment on every Vision post. We know you don't like it. You have told us 1000 times.
I see a title Vision. I read it because I use it and like it
Because I'm not on bored on the subject, I still find it fascinating that people can be so easily duped and cant get the hang
of washing dirt of a piece of glass.
Plus some of the feedback on the product is hilarious, so long may these posts continue.
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A while back some in here swore by Isopropyl alcohol in the pure water, not just to stop freezing but a better clean etc etc. Is that still the case or are these people now using Vision? ?
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So why do you comment on every Vision post. We know you don't like it. You have told us 1000 times.
I see a title Vision. I read it because I use it and like it
Because I'm not on bored on the subject, I still find it fascinating that people can be so easily duped and cant get the hang
of washing dirt of a piece of glass.
Plus some of the feedback on the product is hilarious, so long may these posts continue.
I reckon you are being paid to advertise vision...you never shut up about it ;D
You are the equilivant of the press bashing of ukip which only served to help their popularity
Im onto you, you bloody miserable git ;D
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So why do you comment on every Vision post. We know you don't like it. You have told us 1000 times.
I see a title Vision. I read it because I use it and like it
Because I'm not on bored on the subject, I still find it fascinating that people can be so easily duped and cant get the hang
of washing dirt of a piece of glass.
Plus some of the feedback on the product is hilarious, so long may these posts continue.
I reckon you are being paid to advertise vision...you never shut up about it ;D
You are the equilivant of the press bashing of ukip which only served to help their popularity
Im onto you, you bloody miserable git ;D
What took you so long. ;D ;D
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Gary999 , interesting thought .
I think he needs help .
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A while back some in here swore by Isopropyl alcohol in the pure water, not just to stop freezing but a better clean etc etc. Is that still the case or are these people now using Vision? ?
I used that in 2010 and 2011 winter. Shine on leaded windows was unreal.
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A while back some in here swore by Isopropyl alcohol in the pure water, not just to stop freezing but a better clean etc etc. Is that still the case or are these people now using Vision? ?
I used that in 2010 and 2011 winter. Shine on leaded windows was unreal.
So why don't you use it now?
@Gerard again - what didn't your customer like about you using vision?
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A while back some in here swore by Isopropyl alcohol in the pure water, not just to stop freezing but a better clean etc etc. Is that still the case or are these people now using Vision? ?
I used that in 2010 and 2011 winter. Shine on leaded windows was unreal.
So why don't you use it now?
@Gerard again - what didn't your customer like about you using vision?
It worked out really expensive.
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If you don't like it, SHUT UP. Getting boring now. I use it, Its no miracle thing, but I like it better than just pure....now I am used to it :)
If you do like it, SHUT UP. God this vision stuff is boring 💤
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I put some change in my water.
My customer asked me not to do that any more because they don't like change.
So I asked them to pay me with a £50 note.
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A while back some in here swore by Isopropyl alcohol in the pure water, not just to stop freezing but a better clean etc etc. Is that still the case or are these people now using Vision? ?
I used that in 2010 and 2011 winter. Shine on leaded windows was unreal.
So why don't you use it now?
@Gerard again - what didn't your customer like about you using vision?
It worked out really expensive.
Yes and there lies the problem. IPA is a popular low cost product that seems to change the make up of the water but the amount needed to make a difference in a 400L tank of pure water is not cost effective.
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So why do you comment on every Vision post. We know you don't like it. You have told us 1000 times.
I see a title Vision. I read it because I use it and like it
Because I'm not on bored on the subject, I still find it fascinating that people can be so easily duped and cant get the hang
of washing dirt of a piece of glass.
Plus some of the feedback on the product is hilarious, so long may these posts continue.
I am in the unique position of finding myself in complete agreement with Sean.
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I can see it on the Vision website.
'As endorsed by Terry 'Turbo' Burrows - the fastest window cleaner in his own lunch-box'.
I wonder how much he's getting for that ;)
Nothing just my thoughts
How much has this site gone down the pan ,full of keyboard warriors,run by jumped up little control freaks ,utter joke lol ,Admins psml ..lol go (modded; no swearing please) yourself the lot of you .goodbye .
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I can see it on the Vision website.
'As endorsed by Terry 'Turbo' Burrows - the fastest window cleaner in his own lunch-box'.
I wonder how much he's getting for that ;)
Nothing just my thoughts
How much has this site gone down the pan ,full of keyboard warriors,run by jumped up little control freaks ,utter joke lol ,Admins psml ..lol go[ moderated] yourself the lot of you .goodbye .
+1
Think ill stop posting and just view. That's how forums die off
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A while back some in here swore by Isopropyl alcohol in the pure water, not just to stop freezing but a better clean etc etc. Is that still the case or are these people now using Vision? ?
I secretly think the folk who liked it, drank it.
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Think the forum is dying , shame as it was good for information a few years a go .
Just shocking really .
+2 , just view
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So why hasn't Terry posted since 2012, was it dying back then as well ? ::)roll
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There does seem to be a lot of heavy emotional investment in Vision.
I've seen how other manufacturers and suppliers promote their products. The ones who seem to win the respect and (to them just as importantly) have a successful product with a good revenue stream - do the following:
1. Realise that service to potential buyers and customers is paramount.
2. Not get involved in emotional arguments on forums.
3. State the facts about their product and why it is good.
4. Help those who bring up concerns by answering in a professional manner.
5. Address any true concerns (I think of clamps/glue on poles being sorted and sent to buyers free or at a big discount or weight issues being refined on water saving taps) .
The ones that offer scaffolding poles for wfp or stuff that is hugely over priced and/or reduces TDS to unneeded lows soon disappear.
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If vision does what it is meant to, an easy way to market it would be images showing a clear difference of a bit of glass, split down the middle, one side regular clean, the other vision.
Simple, effective and instant.
Or, video of 2 identical houses, cleaned by the same cleaner, one 30% faster.
Basically anything to promote the claims that are made about the product.
Would negate the arguments about what it does and doesn't do.
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So why hasn't Terry posted since 2012, was it dying back then as well ? ::)roll
Its dying because we don't bow down and praise his worthiness, being that he's been on Blue Peter.
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Think the above says it all .
Amazed .
Well done
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So why hasn't Terry posted since 2012, was it dying back then as well ? ::)roll
Its dying because we don't bow down and praise his worthiness, being that he's been on Blue Peter.
I'll bet he didn't try to promote dodgy products on the BBC. Or swear... ;D
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A Blue Peter badge is great! Better than an O.B.E. because it gets awarded for real achievement.
;)
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Yes we have a guy who couldn't be bothered to help or offer advice since 2012 but out of the goodness of his heart
felt the need to inform us that we would all be better off with Vision in our tanks.
I seriously don't know why we didn't fall for that one.
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kempy some guys dont like the "vision" additive.you cant please everyone all of the time!dont allow yourself to get annoyed about it.some will,some wont.
as for sean k its obvious to the more intelligent window cleaners on here that he s got one hell of a chip on his shoulder and could argue with himself in an empty room! ;D
i use it and like it and will continue to use it.
i never take what sean k says to heart!i just laugh! ;D ;D
when he said my credibility had taken a nosedive over me using vision..........well what can i say?do you honestly think i give a **** what he thinks?NO NOT AT ALL!! ;D
anyone on here who moans about others having a dig at them should really stop moaning and leave or think what they can contribute positively to the forum and ignore the trolls,sad individuals and make it a better place.
have a great day chaps.i better get off to work now and scratch a living together! ;D
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I can see it on the Vision website.
'As endorsed by Terry 'Turbo' Burrows - the fastest window cleaner in his own lunch-box'.
I wonder how much he's getting for that ;)
Nothing just my thoughts
How much has this site gone down the pan ,full of keyboard warriors,run by jumped up little control freaks ,utter joke lol ,Admins psml ..lol go (modded; no swearing please) yourself the lot of you .goodbye .
Terry probably gone back to the fb page where the trolls are bigger and the fact he got blokes licking his big fat aSs
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If vision does what it is meant to, an easy way to market it would be images showing a clear difference of a bit of glass, split down the middle, one side regular clean, the other vision.
Simple, effective and instant.
Or, video of 2 identical houses, cleaned by the same cleaner, one 30% faster.
Basically anything to promote the claims that are made about the product.
Would negate the arguments about what it does and doesn't do.
Agree with this .I have yet to try vision but from what I have seen it has been a lot of wild claims and not much fact.
If vision really can improve productivity and speed by up to 30% and make periodic cleans faster and can be proven then I would be approaching some of the bigger companies.
Nationwide have over 200 window cleaners out a day and turnover 10million I'm sure if you can speed them up and increase revenue by even 10% they would place a very large order as would any of the large companies like them or mitie,ocs,etc.
To prove the claims really would silence the vision lynch mob.
All the best with your product.
craig
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kempy some guys dont like the "vision" additive.you cant please everyone all of the time!dont allow yourself to get annoyed about it.some will,some wont.
as for sean k its obvious to the more intelligent window cleaners on here that he s got one hell of a chip on his shoulder and could argue with himself in an empty room! ;D
i use it and like it and will continue to use it.
i never take what sean k says to heart!i just laugh! ;D ;D
when he said my credibility had taken a nosedive over me using vision..........well what can i say?do you honestly think i give a **** what he thinks?NO NOT AT ALL!! ;D
anyone on here who moans about others having a dig at them should really stop moaning and leave or think what they can contribute positively to the forum and ignore the trolls,sad individuals and make it a better place.
have a great day chaps.i better get off to work now and scratch a living together! ;D
When you say the more intelligent window cleaners on here are talking about the ones who can achieve the same results
without putting a silly gimmick in their tanks.
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All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me personally, when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the job ;D
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By the way Dazmond I didn't say your credibility had taken a nose dive because you use Vision I said it because of your
review.
In other words since starting to use Vision you have reduced the amount of spotting that you get on your windows
but still haven't got rid of it.
If you cant see how silly that reads then fair enough.
A few years back if had said it was impossible to clean windows using wfp without leaving spots and runs, you would have been
one of the first in a long list to shoot me down.
Ps, Dazmond your still one of my favourites on here. ;D
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All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me personally, when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the job ;D
Yes but your not a true wfp,er as you blade the glass afterwards. ;D
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There is a fact people are forgetting here. If you set out with faith in the product you will see the benefits. If you approach with cynicism then you will perceive no advantage.
One of my customers didn`t like it the first time I used it and asked me not to use it. I still use it and she says it`s so much better without it.
Those of you who like it, including myself, stick with it. Those who think it`s rubbish then don`t buy it, don`t use it and accept that you have an opinion that some people disagree with.
My opinion is it does help with glide, it does leave an enhanced shine and if you pre-soak bird muck it comes off easier.
That`s only my opinion.
Gerard the fact is it does none of what you have stated, its a product designed to snare inexperienced newbie windows
cleaners into believing they cant clean without it.
Even if you have never used the product this is clearly visible in the way they sell and market it.
You talk about it removing bird muck easier yet you didn't come forward and recommend it when somebody was having
problems with bird muck on their windows in a post a few months back and neither did any of the sellers, strange that one.
Again my perceptions are that it does work. Bird muck changes throughout the year, depending on what they feed on, to a certain degree.
I do clean without it sometimes and I do think the shine is less.
I`m not attacking anyone but if you think it won`t work you will likely look at the benefits less favourable.
I am inexperienced compared to many on here but I hope not naive.
As to what the customer did`nt like. I told her we had this new additive which we`re trying. Immediately she said she didn`t like the idea but will give her opinion. On my return she said it didn`t look as good and not to use it. I still use it and she thinks it`s much better without. It`s all about perception.
On the subject of spotting I`m confused. If the windows have spotting they are not clean. The goal I aim for is 100% optical clarity and I tell customers to check all windows after they dry and to contact me if there are any marks. Five complaints in over two years plus unknown number of funny beggars who didn`t tell me.
Anyway bored now.
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All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me personally, when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the job ;D
Yes but your not a true wfp,er as you blade the glass afterwards. ;D
Yep im just a lowly Window cleaner ;D
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Oh dear , ive never said everyone would like it . But majority have .
Persons buy who like it and have reordered . The ones that don't like it won't buy again . Simple .
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This reminds me very much of when Alex had a 'stalker' like Sean.
Every time someone mentioned Gardiners poles this pillock would pop up and regularly rubbish the clamps, rubbish the brushes and support Tekbuck. In the end he even accused Gardiners of buying their poles from China and went to the trouble of buying his own and publishing the internet address right under Alex's nose - proper little twerp.
Alex being professional like he is responded in a most dignified way and never once lost his cool even sending more clamps out and offering to take the pole back for inspection. Obviously he was too much of a troll to contact Gardiners direct and seemed to want to ruin their reputation.
Really dragged the forum down.
If only I could remember his name ................................
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vision IMO DOES reduce runs from SOME top rubber seals.its seems to "hang" thus preventing the runs.
the shine it leaves when dry is better than pure alone.
its helps water sheet better on some hydrophobic windows IMO.esp when your on your 3rd or 4th visit using vision
it costs me around 25p a day to use vision every day which works out at roughly a fiver a month.i can live with that. :)
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vision IMO DOES reduce runs from SOME top rubber seals.its seems to "hang" thus preventing the runs.
the shine it leaves when dry is better than pure alone.
its helps water sheet better on some hydrophobic windows IMO.esp when your on your 3rd or 4th visit using vision
it costs me around 25p a day to use vision every day which works out at roughly a fiver a month.i can live with that. :)
This what i explained a few months ago. Once windows have been cleaned a few time, the water hangs around on the black seal and dries. It doesnt dribble down.
For me the biggest asset now is finger prints. Pure water is pathetic on them, with vision. Quick scrub and BANG the finger prints are gone.
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All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me personally, when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the job ;D
... and a squeegee. ;)
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vision IMO DOES reduce runs from SOME top rubber seals.its seems to "hang" thus preventing the runs.
the shine it leaves when dry is better than pure alone.
its helps water sheet better on some hydrophobic windows IMO.esp when your on your 3rd or 4th visit using vision
it costs me around 25p a day to use vision every day which works out at roughly a fiver a month.i can live with that. :)
This what i explained a few months ago. Once windows have been cleaned a few time, the water hangs around on the black seal and dries. It doesnt dribble down.
For me the biggest asset now is finger prints. Pure water is pathetic on them, with vision. Quick scrub and BANG the finger prints are gone.
This is why I love these posts, in all the years I have been cleaning using pure I have yet to have a problem with finger
prints.
Talk about clutching at straws. ;D
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This reminds me very much of when Alex had a 'stalker' like Sean.
Every time someone mentioned Gardiners poles this pillock would pop up and regularly rubbish the clamps, rubbish the brushes and support Tekbuck. In the end he even accused Gardiners of buying their poles from China and went to the trouble of buying his own and publishing the internet address right under Alex's nose - proper little twerp.
Alex being professional like he is responded in a most dignified way and never once lost his cool even sending more clamps out and offering to take the pole back for inspection. Obviously he was too much of a troll to contact Gardiners direct and seemed to want to ruin their reputation.
Really dragged the forum down.
If only I could remember his name ................................
Who was that Dave..?
Sean K...Why does it bother you so much if people use vision..?
And Terry Burrows is probably on another TV presenting course that he likes to let people know he's been on, its why he's had to go for another 2 years...
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Don it doesn't bother me that people use Vision, it bothers me that they come on here and give out bad advice
in order to promote it.
Take what Dazmond said on dodgy black seals for example, instead of learning an easy technique to overcome this problem
a newcomer is going to think by adding this stuff to their tank then the problem will be solved.
We all know that this wont be the case and there will still be the odd drop that will run down the glass which could have an adverse
effect on somebody trying to build a decent reputation.
But to be honest Don I also enjoy posting on these topics, I would be doing the same if it was about additives and nobody had
a financial interest.
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Don it doesn't bother me that people use Vision, it bothers me that they come on here and give out bad advice
in order to promote it.
Take what Dazmond said on dodgy black seals for example, instead of learning an easy technique to overcome this problem
a newcomer is going to think by adding this stuff to their tank then the problem will be solved.
We all know that this wont be the case and there will still be the odd drop that will run down the glass which could have an adverse
effect on somebody trying to build a decent reputation.
But to be honest Don I also enjoy posting on these topics, I would be doing the same if it was about additives and nobody had
a financial interest.
There's a financial interest????? Say it's not true! Well slap my thigh and call me repetitive!
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what comes after cleanitup god? noticed there's alot of gods on this forum lol ;D
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what comes after cleanitup god? noticed there's alot of gods on this forum lol ;D
That's why its such a heavenly place to visit. ;D
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All this arguing about vision in pure is pointless to me personally, when all I need
is my 30ppm tap water to do the job ;D
... and a squeegee. ;)
We have already covered that one...keep up ;D
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Don it doesn't bother me that people use Vision, it bothers me that they come on here and give out bad advice
in order to promote it.
Take what Dazmond said on dodgy black seals for example, instead of learning an easy technique to overcome this problem
a newcomer is going to think by adding this stuff to their tank then the problem will be solved.
We all know that this wont be the case and there will still be the odd drop that will run down the glass which could have an adverse
effect on somebody trying to build a decent reputation.
But to be honest Don I also enjoy posting on these topics, I would be doing the same if it was about additives and nobody had
a financial interest.
Just for the record......
We have never asked anyone to post about vision, and We never mention vision unless it's a question directly to us, or we feel vision is being misrepresented in some way.
Vision is there for those that want to use it. Nothing more, nothing less and We are the exact opposite of "pushy".
A bit of peace from it would be nice. :)
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That's four times you mentioned it in one paragraph! ;D
"who was that dave?"
Well, he's one of the boys, comes from Wakefield.
Ironic really.
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what comes after cleanitup god? noticed there's alot of gods on this forum lol ;D
That's why its such a heavenly place to visit. ;D
Good response lol ;D
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Yes I was warned of troll crap lol they were right Small minded window cleaners lol
Jonny, you said: "For the record we have never asked anyone to post about vision ..."
Yet Terry Burrows comes on here (see the post of his from earlier in this thread which I have quoted) after 3 years absence telling us about Vision and says the above.
Did Terry really - after being asked to try vision - all on his own, post about it with no discussion between him and the promoters of vision? If not who are "they"?
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Mr Gold, you don't mean to say that here on CIU that freebies buy favours?
I'm shocked. :o
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Don it doesn't bother me that people use Vision, it bothers me that they come on here and give out bad advice
in order to promote it.
Take what Dazmond said on dodgy black seals for example, instead of learning an easy technique to overcome this problem
a newcomer is going to think by adding this stuff to their tank then the problem will be solved.
We all know that this wont be the case and there will still be the odd drop that will run down the glass which could have an adverse
effect on somebody trying to build a decent reputation.
But to be honest Don I also enjoy posting on these topics, I would be doing the same if it was about additives and nobody had
a financial interest.
What happened to the seals and did this happen because of vision ?
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Yes I was warned of troll crap lol they were right Small minded window cleaners lol
Jonny, you said: "For the record we have never asked anyone to post about vision ..."
Yet Terry Burrows comes on here (see the post of his from earlier in this thread which I have quoted) after 3 years absence telling us about Vision and says the above.
Did Terry really - after being asked to try vision - all on his own, post about it with no discussion between him and the promoters of vision? If not who are "they"?
100% Granville we have never asked terry or anyone to post about vision. Terry's post does look suspicious I'll be honest, but we havnt.
We have no promoters of vision as such. The owners of it are myself David kemp and Kevin coggan.
Terry's post isn't even about vision for WFP. We gave him a trad version that we are currently working on to test and try and help him speed up, and this is what he is talking about. Not the vision that every one else is using.
Contrary to what some would think we are just three window cleaners that have been using WFP additives for years, and when we realised what a unique product we had with vision we decided to get it approved and put it to market.
Vision was available for a while and we didn't mention it on here or any forum. Our ethos was that word would just spread itself, and we never wanted to push anything. I think Ben m started a thread with a link and then it just snowballed from there, and since then we've only ever posted on questions or mis truths about vision.
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Thanks for that Jonny - maybe this is the answer in red below ...
I don't know Terry , and never chatted to him directly . Probably kevin knows him .
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Yes I was warned of troll crap lol they were right Small minded window cleaners lol
Jonny, you said: "For the record we have never asked anyone to post about vision ..."
Yet Terry Burrows comes on here (see the post of his from earlier in this thread which I have quoted) after 3 years absence telling us about Vision and says the above.
Did Terry really - after being asked to try vision - all on his own, post about it with no discussion between him and the promoters of vision? If not who are "they"?
100% Granville we have never asked terry or anyone to post about vision. Terry's post does look suspicious I'll be honest, but we havnt.
Terry's post isn't even about vision for WFP. We gave him a trad version that we are currently working on to test and try and help him speed up, and this is what he is talking about. Not the vision that every one else is using.
I could vouch for that. I was talking to Terry at the trade show and he mentioned that he was going to try vision to reduce drag and perhaps make his squeegee go a bit faster. Didn't sound like anyone had approached him then as he said he was going to try it.
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So why Did Terry Burrow's post on CIU then? So he just thought 'I know what, I'll post this on CIU' just as a random thought having not posted on here for 3 years? Yeah, right.
I'm not having a go at anyone, especially not Terry Burrows as in the past he posted so much helpfull stuff, especially at the beginning of CIU, but it is a bit coincidental, yes? So nothing at all was said about CIU?
Business is always business and that is how business works and I see nothing wrong in that but all this 'purely by chance' or 'purely by coincidence' or 'of his own choice' is a load of bollards.
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So why Did Terry Burrow's post on CIU then? So he just thought 'I know what, I'll post this on CIU' just as a random thought having not posted on here for 3 years? Yeah, right.
I'm not having a go at anyone, especially not Terry Burrows as in the past he posted so much helpfull stuff, especially at the beginning of CIU, but it is a bit coincidental, yes? So nothing at all was said about CIU?
Business is always business and that is how business works and I see nothing wrong in that but all this 'purely by chance' or 'purely by coincidence' or 'of his own choice' is a load of bollards.
Nothing at all was said to terry.
We really have nothing to gain by doing that. At the time terry posted this, there was still about three threads talking about vision. The same goes for alot of forums. What good is one more?
If anything I feel all this talk about vision is sickening a lot of people. We are happy to just let people find vision themselves and we don't feel the need to push it. We aren't a big business that needs to drum up sales, we are three window cleaners this is just a little side project.
Face book groups are the same. People are buying vision and posting pictures of it, to then be bombarded with a select few that say they must have been given it free for advertising etc. It's not the case.
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Jonny and kempy if I was you I wouldn't post anymore about vision as it doesn't matter what you say your always gonna be slagged off it always seems to be the same few that target you . If they don't like it don't use it but it's not fair to put people off who hasn't used it
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Yes I was warned of troll crap lol they were right Small minded window cleaners lol
Jonny, you said: "For the record we have never asked anyone to post about vision ..."
Yet Terry Burrows comes on here (see the post of his from earlier in this thread which I have quoted) after 3 years absence telling us about Vision and says the above.
Did Terry really - after being asked to try vision - all on his own, post about it with no discussion between him and the promoters of vision? If not who are "they"?
100% Granville we have never asked terry or anyone to post about vision. Terry's post does look suspicious I'll be honest, but we havnt.
We have no promoters of vision as such. The owners of it are myself David kemp and Kevin coggan.
Terry's post isn't even about vision for WFP. We gave him a trad version that we are currently working on to test and try and help him speed up, and this is what he is talking about. Not the vision that every one else is using.
Contrary to what some would think we are just three window cleaners that have been using WFP additives for years, and when we realised what a unique product we had with vision we decided to get it approved and put it to market.
Vision was available for a while and we didn't mention it on here or any forum. Our ethos was that word would just spread itself, and we never wanted to push anything. I think Ben m started a thread with a link and then it just snowballed from there, and since then we've only ever posted on questions or mis truths about vision.
You only need to go back to these first posts to find out how much this isn't the case, I seen early on that when somebody posted
a negative comment about this product then you would get the same group of guys all posting about how they all thought it was brilliant, they would quickly follow every negative comment.
More or less trying to discredit anybody who had anything bad to say about it and tying to put others off from even posting
on the product unless it was positive.
If anybody tried to push the issue then the bullying would kick in.
Some of these so called just likers of the product even got extremely angry on the subject.
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Nothing at all was said to terry.
We really have nothing to gain by doing that. At the time terry posted this, there was still about three threads talking about vision. The same goes for alot of forums. What good is one more?
If anything I feel all this talk about vision is sickening a lot of people. We are happy to just let people find vision themselves and we don't feel the need to push it. We aren't a big business that needs to drum up sales, we are three window cleaners this is just a little side project.
Face book groups are the same. People are buying vision and posting pictures of it, to then be bombarded with a select few that say they must have been given it free for advertising etc. It's not the case.
Fair enough. My apologies.
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So why Did Terry Burrow's post on CIU then? So he just thought 'I know what, I'll post this on CIU' just as a random thought having not posted on here for 3 years? Yeah, right.
I suspect he just sobered up briefly, then posted, but was drunk by the time he returned to tell us all to go 'procreate' with ourselves. ;D
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Terry is not much of an endorsement due to been trad.
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Does Terry have bronze wool for hair?
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Does Terry have bronze wool for hair?
No. But I suspect he has it for brains.
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That's me off on holiday for 2 weeks then be back with renewed vigour
Enjoy your holiday Paul, there's no hurry on releasing Vigour on to the market, better to do it in the middle of winter
when bird poo is easier to remove and there will be very little snail trails on the glass.
We can then say its Vigour doing the work and our suckers I mean customers will be non the wiser.
Thanks just back from IOW for a few weeks and off again this is the life . then I will be re inviqourated .