Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: NWH on June 08, 2015, 10:51:16 pm
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Anyone seen it on YouTube ,blimey how did he dream that one up. Pole hose hanging down from the brush just waiting to get caught up on 101 things round a domestic job and a brush that looks like 5 combs in a row lol
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Anyone seen it on YouTube ,blimey how did he dream that one up. Pole hose hanging down from the brush just waiting to get caught up on 101 things round a domestic job and a brush that looks like 5 combs in a row lol
Post the link. Saves me getting diverted on to some other crap.
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Yes they will struggle selling them 😄 I could design one myself lol.
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Here you go check it out ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SQPjTURIasI#t=7
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i hate swivels and 400g weight? ::)roll
im out! ;D
wagga loves faffing about.i dont! ;D
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400g bad, swivels great (well, Gardiners are!)
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Thought that was wagga....
Gets around a bit don't he....
Darran
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If manufacturers gave me lots of poles and brushes to try I wouldn't say all of them were great if they aren't,wagga does seem to edge towards what he gets given free of charge. Any pole can have the hose outside the pole and the only advantage I can see for the seller is the fact it would seem a few grams lighter without it running through the pole. That's got to be the worst WFP brush on the planet
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WFP has come on in leaps and bounds over this past few years but to be honest as far as innovation goes I don't
think there's much more you can add to this method.
I think that's why the majority of new stuff coming along now is nothing but badly thought out rubbish.
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Regarding the swivel noticed that all manufactures a reluctant to have a small down angle on there swivels.
So they all basely go side to side at right angle to the brush.
Allowing this small angle as shown in the video allows you to swivel the brush more freely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBdkgrYdsI
(https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/11101515_10207111616057203_4401841126302959272_o.jpg)
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With Gardiners you use it with an angle adapter. I think this means you adapt the angle.
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/goosenecks-pole-fittings/plastic-gooseneck-system.html
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Here another swivel connection.
(https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11403416_10207111390491564_4357855851531749156_n.jpg?oh=012c657aa3e90ac139d20db1d007e756&oe=55F080D6)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10353450_788888387799525_4553512766516804220_o.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/10923310_907379839283712_8292120838602954856_o.jpg)
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I think I prefer Gardiners version.
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Yep, a swivel connected to the brush at an angle works better & allows more extreme angles whilst maintaining a flush-on brush to glass situation. Unfortunately, we don't currently have one retailing in this form as far as I am aware- they are all at 90 degrees to the stock.
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Yep, a swivel connected to the brush at an angle works better & allows more extreme angles whilst maintaining a flush-on brush to glass situation. Unfortunately, we don't currently have one retailing in this form as far as I am aware- they are all at 90 degrees to the stock.
You are right.
Also noticed no one actually looked at the video to see that is how it works.
Have actually pointed this out to some manufactures.
Any way check it out (video) see if anyone can move there swivel on there pole the same way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBdkgrYdsI
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Wouldn't mind getting some of that rhino hose. Anyone know where to buy it?
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Forget the swivel side of it that is not a bad idea IMO but that brush is a joke,that Perry really is scrapeing the barrel big time if he thinks that'll take off lol. I will try most brushes if they looked half decent but I won't be bothering with that one,I might send wagga a pair of old pants and sell it on the basis that it won't leave any skids,I mean smears
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Herman, have you tried the Gardiners resi neck with swivel with the adapter plate?
I think you'll find it's prettier, lighter, cheap and does the same thing.
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Herman, have you tried the Gardiners resi neck with swivel with the adapter plate?
I think you'll find it's prettier, lighter, cheap and does the same thing.
He designed it for Gardiners 8)
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Herman, have you tried the Gardiners resi neck with swivel with the adapter plate?
I think you'll find it's prettier, lighter, cheap and does the same thing.
;D
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Not quite. All gardiner swivels (and others for that matter) are pivoted 90 degrees to the stock. Herman's is angled down from the stock like the original Gaz swivels used to be. Don't get me wrong, 90 degree ones do a great job but if they were angled down from the pivot they would work significantly better.
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Chum, use the modified pivot plate Gardiners sell - it puts the pivot right on the brush stock instead of screwing into a socket.
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Chum, use the modified pivot plate Gardiners sell - it puts the pivot right on the brush stock instead of screwing into a socket.
I have one but find little difference if any between it & the quick loq swivel.
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That plate for the Gardiner swivel.
Also needs to be at that slight angle.
All can say about that is it's not that we hadn't suggested the angle idea to them. ::)roll :-X ;)
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It doesn't it works fine ???
The adapter is pretty short and close to the pivot point - simply alter the adapter to match the angle you want. It's going to vary according to pole length etc.
Also, I don't actually like the quick loc system much either, too loose and the rattle, too tight and they jam. I keep my spare brushes already joined to their own resi neck ready for use.
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It doesn't it works fine ???
The adapter is pretty short and close to the pivot point - simply alter the adapter to match the angle you want. It's going to vary according to pole length etc.
Also, I don't actually like the quick loc system much either, too loose and the rattle, too tight and they jam. I keep my spare brushes already joined to their own resi neck ready for use.
The pivot being close to the stock isn't the issue Dave. The one you describe & the quick loq one are no different in use IMO, there is so little difference in pivot location. If the pivot point was angled downwards instead of being at 90 degrees then this would make all the difference- once you tried it, it would all make sense. An angled swivel has much less limits, much less pole & body movement required for the same angles.
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Herman, have you tried the Gardiners resi neck with swivel with the adapter plate?
I think you'll find it's prettier, lighter, cheap and does the same thing.
He designed it for Gardiners 8)
To be historically accurate H MAN did not design this swivel socket part for us and has played no part in the design and development of any of our 'swivel' goosenecks and 'swivel' sockets :) Our swivel goosenecks have actually been on sale since 2011.
The swivel brush socket being discussed was actually originally suggested by one of our long term UK clients about 4 years ago - he felt so strongly about the idea at the time that he even built an alloy prototype and sent it to us - which I still have. The client knows who he is :)
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That plate for the Gardiner swivel.
Also needs to be at that slight angle.
All can say about that is it's not that we hadn't suggested the angle idea to them. ::)roll :-X ;)
H MAN - I have noticed that you have mentioned the downward angle on several forums/videos recently, but 'Chum Bucket' beat you to it as he has been telling me (nagging) for years that a downwards angle is best :)
Chum Bucket - I have been listening, but we are only now working through a backlog of higher priority tooling projects. It will eventually appear - as they say, good things comes to those who wait ;)
Having tested both ways I am still not sure that I agree that the downward angle is best, but then what do I know!
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That plate for the Gardiner swivel.
Also needs to be at that slight angle.
All can say about that is it's not that we hadn't suggested the angle idea to them. ::)roll :-X ;)
H MAN - I have noticed that you have mentioned the downward angle on several forums/videos recently, but 'Chum Bucket' beat you to it as he has been telling me (nagging) for years that a downwards angle is best :)
Chum Bucket - I have been listening, but we are only now working through a backlog of higher priority tooling projects. It will eventually appear - as they say, good things comes to those who wait ;)
Having tested both ways I am still not sure that I agree that the downward angle is best, but then what do I know!
;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't know how critical the degree of the angle is though!! ;D
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Both designs work well, it's not as if a 90 degree swivel is rubbish- far from it, these two designs are not "worlds" apart. A seasoned swiveller would recognise the subtle but significant difference between the two types though.
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Both designs work well, it's not as if a 90 degree swivel is rubbish- far from it, these two designs are not "worlds" apart. A seasoned swiveller would recognise the subtle but significant difference between the two types though.
This is correct it is a matter of which one you feel comfortable with.
Of cause you can move the swivel in more positions with that slight downward angle.
But each to his/her own. :)
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What swivel is best Chum bucket I want to give it a go
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Would a swivel help with RSI ?
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No it wouldn't coz you will be twisting your wrists more to make the swivel work,I tried a Gaz brush years ago when he sold his brushes with em on and you need to twist the pole to get it to move. Wagga uses a wagtail type swivel which looks good but to cheap looking for my liking as well as flimsy
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No it wouldn't coz you will be twisting your wrists more to make the swivel work,I tried a Gaz brush years ago when he sold his brushes with em on and you need to twist the pole to get it to move. Wagga uses a wagtail type swivel which looks good but to cheap looking for my liking as well as flimsy
Which brush is a Gaz brush????
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What swivel is best Chum bucket I want to give it a go
At the moment this
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/quick-loq-resi-neck-type1-long-swivel-new.html
Or this
http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/angle-adapter-gooseneck-with-swivel-brush-socket-long-length.html
Just depends whether you use quick-loq or not.
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Herman, have you tried the Gardiners resi neck with swivel with the adapter plate?
I think you'll find it's prettier, lighter, cheap and does the same thing.
He designed it for Gardiners 8)
To be historically accurate H MAN did not design this swivel socket part for us and has played no part in the design and development of any of our 'swivel' goosenecks and 'swivel' sockets :) Our swivel goosenecks have actually been on sale since 2011.
The swivel brush socket being discussed was actually originally suggested by one of our long term UK clients about 4 years ago - he felt so strongly about the idea at the time that he even built an alloy prototype and sent it to us - which I still have. The client knows who he is :)
Yes Alex is absolutely correct had nothing to do with how it was designed.
Because if did it would be very different.
More then angle on the swivel.
It would be able to interchange to the Quick-LoQ system it self.
Then you could also use it on the goose necks.
Very sure that many other people have worked something different out also.
Might not be thinking on the same wave length.
After all only clean windows for a living.