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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: HALTON on June 04, 2015, 10:30:19 pm
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I have heard mixed thoughts of vision over the last few months so have ordered a bottle tonight as my home windows always spot as they don't like water so according to vision they make the glass to like water more .
Why they spot I don't know frames are clean done wfp for years on my windows
It's not a lot of spotting just a few on the odd window not always the top of window could be the bottom or middle it spots.
Tried gg4 last two cleans but still spots.
So you guys who have tried or use vision what's your thoughts will it cure my problem ?
Thanks
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what i find with vision in your water is it stops a lot of runs from the top rubber seals that you sometimes get with problem windows or makes it less likely.it also seems to make some hydrophobic windows sheet better as well as bringing up a brighter shine to glass and esp frames,doors and sills.
i dont know how it works but it does make a little difference thats worth the £5 a month i spend on it using it in my water every day.
i went a month without using vision after using it every day for 2 months and i do think it makes a difference on the above things mentioned.
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And you stopped using it because? Remember Dazmond?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=194192.msg1685546#msg1685546
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Good product but my rubbers were still staining windows with vision changed to distilled vinegar problem gone no smell as long as you don't put too much in , no bubbles stocked at all supermarkets so never run out and cheap as chips :)
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Lets nip this in the bud eh...
Dazmond thinks its amazing but next week will think its crap
Number 23 is now VAT registered as a result of using it
Dave willis cant understand what the difference is between vision and any other product
SeanK thinks everyone is a twonk that does or doesnt use it...
Oh and give it a week and someone else will ask the same question!!
;D
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Lets nip this in the bud eh...
Dazmond thinks its amazing but next week will think its crap
Number 23 is now VAT registered as a result of using it
Dave willis cant understand what the difference is between vision and any other product
SeanK thinks everyone is a twonk that does or doesnt use it...
Oh and give it a week and someone else will ask the same question!!
;D
;D ;D ;D i have the right to change my mind once in a while!be adaptable!
i was recommended to put 10ml of vision in 500L of pure then 1ml in every 100L.it was too much for me.thats what was slowing me down so i use 3ml-4ml per 500L now and find that sufficient.
the trouble i had with a few windows i re cleaned was put down to bad weather as it was blowing a gale that day ;D
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Lets nip this in the bud eh...
Dazmond thinks its amazing but next week will think its crap
Number 23 is now VAT registered as a result of using it
Dave willis cant understand what the difference is between vision and any other product
SeanK thinks everyone is a twonk that does or doesnt use it...
Oh and give it a week and someone else will ask the same question!!
;D
will I be able to increase my normal 95 houses a day to 100 houses ?? ...... CBA buying it if no ............ I work from 11am to 2 pm with 3 hours for lunch.
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Good product but my rubbers were still staining windows with vision changed to distilled vinegar problem gone no smell as long as you don't put too much in , no bubbles stocked at all supermarkets so never run out and cheap as chips :)
And how much DV do you use per 100 litres ... ?
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Where can you buy vision?
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Lets nip this in the bud eh...
Dazmond thinks its amazing but next week will think its crap
Number 23 is now VAT registered as a result of using it
Dave willis cant understand what the difference is between vision and any other product
SeanK thinks everyone is a twonk that does or doesnt use it...
Oh and give it a week and someone else will ask the same question!!
;D
A crap, you've posted something I cant disagree with. ;D
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Where can you buy vision?
Don't "they" give it away free? ;D
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Come on guys I asked a serious question please don't make this in to another sillly topic.
This is genuine question that's why I asked for the truth
Thanks
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Come on guys I asked a serious question please don't make this in to another sillly topic.
This is genuine question that's why I asked for the truth
Thanks
Halton you cant get a serous answer on this question, you will just have to try it for yourself and come to your own conclusions.
How can you say anything sensible about a product that only solves a problem you shouldn't really be getting in the
first place.
What I will say is that it makes no difference to problem openers which in my opinion is the biggest cause of uncontrolled
spotting and runs in this game.
The same goes with GG4 and Vinegar.
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I use it all the time. IT DOES NOTHING FOR SPOTTING . Just leaves a good shiny finish
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i have a customer who has problems for two years with spotting, one year or less with another cleaner and now me, i have used pure water, GG4, CIF, Hot water, Cold water and now Vision with cold water last two cleans and Vision with hot water......the spotting has reduced but is still visible on some windows, this is the second clean with vision so im hoping it has eliminated it by the third clean.......we will see
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Ok, the spotting problems I was having, was actually on my living room window, all the rest were ok, just that one! used vision for the first time today..... No spots..... Maybe I'm getting better at cleaning windows, maybe it was the vision, a bit of both? it's defo improved things though, each to their own. What works for me in the gym might not work for others, but it gets me results ;D
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Ok, the spotting problems I was having, was actually on my living room window, all the rest were ok, just that one! used vision for the first time today..... No spots..... Maybe I'm getting better at cleaning windows, maybe it was the vision, a bit of both? it's defo improved things though, each to their own. What works for me in the gym might not work for others, but it gets me results ;D
Some windows take a few cleans before they get to the spot free stage but with the spotting you described along the bottom
off the glass I can tell you with 100% certainty that vision didn't cure the problem.
But if you want to hand over your cash to these guys then its your cash to do so and as Dazmond keeps telling us your only
wasting 20p per day.
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Halton, am guessing your in Runcorn, I have a bottle in my van and am round and about Liverpool all the time, if you want to try it before you buy the give me a shout and meet up.
For the cost I think it is well worth a try, I don't think it will make you am extra £500 a day in revenue but it seems to help clean the glass, especially on jobs that are only done now and then
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Ok, the spotting problems I was having, was actually on my living room window, all the rest were ok, just that one! used vision for the first time today..... No spots..... Maybe I'm getting better at cleaning windows, maybe it was the vision, a bit of both? it's defo improved things though, each to their own. What works for me in the gym might not work for others, but it gets me results ;D
Some windows take a few cleans before they get to the spot free stage but with the spotting you described along the bottom
off the glass I can tell you with 100% certainty that vision didn't cure the problem.
But if you want to hand over your cash to these guys then its your cash to do so and as Dazmond keeps telling us your only
wasting 20p per day.
How do you know that vision hasn't stopped the spotting??
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Lets nip this in the bud eh...
Dazmond thinks its amazing but next week will think its crap
Number 23 is now VAT registered as a result of using it
Dave willis cant understand what the difference is between vision and any other product
SeanK thinks everyone is a twonk that does or doesnt use it...
Oh and give it a week and someone else will ask the same question!!
;D
will I be able to increase my normal 95 houses a day to 100 houses ?? ...... CBA buying it if no ............ I work from 11am to 2 pm with 3 hours for lunch.
Don't forget a few hours a day for paperwork. ::)roll ;D
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Ok, the spotting problems I was having, was actually on my living room window, all the rest were ok, just that one! used vision for the first time today..... No spots..... Maybe I'm getting better at cleaning windows, maybe it was the vision, a bit of both? it's defo improved things though, each to their own. What works for me in the gym might not work for others, but it gets me results ;D
Some windows take a few cleans before they get to the spot free stage but with the spotting you described along the bottom
off the glass I can tell you with 100% certainty that vision didn't cure the problem.
But if you want to hand over your cash to these guys then its your cash to do so and as Dazmond keeps telling us your only
wasting 20p per day.
Now now Sean........
You shouldn't quote things as 100% fact when you are talking about something You have 0% experience with.
It's like me saying you only working in sunny weather and spending a total of £20 a year on WFP expenses is 100% rubbish.
I wouldn't never dream to say such a thing.
:-* :-* :-*
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Ok, the spotting problems I was having, was actually on my living room window, all the rest were ok, just that one! used vision for the first time today..... No spots..... Maybe I'm getting better at cleaning windows, maybe it was the vision, a bit of both? it's defo improved things though, each to their own. What works for me in the gym might not work for others, but it gets me results ;D
Some windows take a few cleans before they get to the spot free stage but with the spotting you described along the bottom
off the glass I can tell you with 100% certainty that vision didn't cure the problem.
But if you want to hand over your cash to these guys then its your cash to do so and as Dazmond keeps telling us your only
wasting 20p per day.
Now now Sean........
You shouldn't quote things as 100% fact when you are talking about something You have 0% experience with.
It's like me saying you only working in sunny weather and spending a total of £20 a year on WFP expenses is 100% rubbish.
I wouldn't never dream to say such a thing.
:-* :-* :-*
Maybe if you stopped trying to line your own pockets and give honest advice then you would see that even if Vision
did stop spotting it wouldn't matter in this case as the type of spotting he was talking about was down to not putting
enough water on the glass, either by too little scrubbing or rinsing or just being too quick.
That's how I'm 100% certain that Vision didn't cure this problem.
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Ok, the spotting problems I was having, was actually on my living room window, all the rest were ok, just that one! used vision for the first time today..... No spots..... Maybe I'm getting better at cleaning windows, maybe it was the vision, a bit of both? it's defo improved things though, each to their own. What works for me in the gym might not work for others, but it gets me results ;D
Some windows take a few cleans before they get to the spot free stage but with the spotting you described along the bottom
off the glass I can tell you with 100% certainty that vision didn't cure the problem.
But if you want to hand over your cash to these guys then its your cash to do so and as Dazmond keeps telling us your only
wasting 20p per day.
Now now Sean........
You shouldn't quote things as 100% fact when you are talking about something You have 0% experience with.
It's like me saying you only working in sunny weather and spending a total of £20 a year on WFP expenses is 100% rubbish.
I wouldn't never dream to say such a thing.
:-* :-* :-*
LOL ;D
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I've heard Sean puts it on his cornflakes in the morning, no spotting in his pan. :P
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I have heard mixed thoughts of vision over the last few months so have ordered a bottle tonight as my home windows always spot as they don't like water so according to vision they make the glass to like water more .
Why they spot I don't know frames are clean done wfp for years on my windows
It's not a lot of spotting just a few on the odd window not always the top of window could be the bottom or middle it spots.
Tried gg4 last two cleans but still spots.
So you guys who have tried or use vision what's your thoughts will it cure my problem ?
Thanks
Halton
I think you would be better off refining your technique and method to eliminate the spotting. You have a perfect opportunity with your own windows because you can go inside and see the results. Instead of wasting your money on some super "miracle cure" IMO your time and money would be better spent finding out how to eliminate the spotting. More scrubbing, More rinsing, Fan Jets, Technique, Different brush etc..? Once you have solved it you will be in a better place to solve your customers problems.
How come after all these years developing and producing a Pure Water method for window cleaning, all of a sudden people want to dump all kinds of c**p in their pure water when it's worked fine without it for years?
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I've heard Sean puts it on his cornflakes in the morning, no spotting in his pan. :P
Yes its what gives me my sparkling personality. ;D
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Good product but my rubbers were still staining windows with vision changed to distilled vinegar problem gone no smell as long as you don't put too much in , no bubbles stocked at all supermarkets so never run out and cheap as chips :)
And how much DV do you use per 100 litres ... ?
10 ml per 25litres try it in my opinion out performs Vision at a fraction of cost
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I've heard Sean puts it on his cornflakes in the morning, no spotting in his pan. :P
Who eats cornflakes from a pan??? lmao I put my cornflakes in a dish ;D
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Try comparing data sheet of vision with data sheet of distilled vinegar allowing for slight difference as orange smell was added to cover smell of active ingredient looks very similar to me
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Try comparing data sheet of vision with data sheet of distilled vinegar allowing for slight difference as orange smell was added to cover smell of active ingredient looks very similar to me
Well considering these guys claim to mix it themselves it has to be something along this line, there's no way they would
be legally allowed to mix raw chemicals or for that matter sell them to the public without spending millions having the
mixture tested and passed.
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thanks guys who have given me good advise
i have ordered vision yesterday and am looking forward to trying it out.
when i say spots they are not bad spots they are very faint spots prob not noticeable to the customer but i have a saying if i can see them surely customers can.
looking forward to trying it out im sure its worth a try.
anyway thanks for the advise
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Lets nip this in the bud eh...
Dazmond thinks its amazing but next week will think its crap
Number 23 is now VAT registered as a result of using it
Dave willis cant understand what the difference is between vision and any other product
SeanK thinks everyone is a twonk that does or doesnt use it...
Oh and give it a week and someone else will ask the same question!!
;D
will I be able to increase my normal 95 houses a day to 100 houses ?? ...... CBA buying it if no ............ I work from 11am to 2 pm with 3 hours for lunch.
See you're getting up earlier now Ian, good for you
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You will find that most off your customers won't give a toss about a few spots on their window s as long as they are being cleaned . What's it matter if people want to buy vision what's it got to do with the guys that don't like it if your happy with pure on its own then happy days
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There are days when I put 10ml of water in my 650 litre tank of vision. It's those days I'm able to work so fast I finish before I've even got up in the morning.
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It breaks surface tension on glass and makes glass and frames nice and shiny . Had mine a few months now still got half a bottle as i only use 1ml per 400ltrs .
But the newer batch has been tweaked so less bubbles which was the problem with first batch plus it was PIA when rinsing on certain jobs .
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You want a serious statistical answer?
A quick check back shows that we cleaned around 800 houses last month. Two complaints. One where I missed the entire front of a house (what a pro!) and some spotting on one panel of a conservatory.
We don't use vision but all of our guys know how to clean windows. I'm not sure vision would have helped on problem number one anyway.
I suspect that the main benefit of Vision must be the confidence it gives to people who use it. That's not knocking it at all; it's an important side-effect of using it and is very real. That makes it worth the money to the people who believe in it.
Vin
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Not joking but if somebody came on here selling a product that made glass waterproof you would get guys on here
buying it and telling you it works.
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Not joking but if somebody came on here selling a product that made glass waterproof you would get guys on here
buying it and telling you it works.
Just for you Sean!!! This is awesome - introducing....NEVERWET
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrjXSsfxMQ
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Not joking but if somebody came on here selling a product that made glass waterproof you would get guys on here
buying it and telling you it works.
Just for you Sean!!! This is awesome - introducing....NEVERWET
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrjXSsfxMQ
Don't do that Shane this product caused pandemonium on here a few years back, it was going to put us all out of
business. :o ;D
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Oh great, delete my post and I will never mention that word again!!! :o
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You want a serious statistical answer?
A quick check back shows that we cleaned around 800 houses last month. Two complaints. One where I missed the entire front of a house (what a pro!) and some spotting on one panel of a conservatory.
We don't use vision but all of our guys know how to clean windows. I'm not sure vision would have helped on problem number one anyway.
I suspect that the main benefit of Vision must be the confidence it gives to people who use it. That's not knocking it at all; it's an important side-effect of using it and is very real. That makes it worth the money to the people who believe in it.
Vin
Just like Homoeopathy?
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I see the Vision users in Australia have been getting the same problems as Dazmond when overdosing the mixture.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dvEmroCHXs
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I suspect that the main benefit of Vision must be the confidence it gives to people who use it. That's not knocking it at all; it's an important side-effect of using it and is very real. That makes it worth the money to the people who believe in it.
Vin
Just like Homoeopathy?
Indeed. It's strange that the placebo effect is taken so lightly. It's very real and extremely effective and should never be underestimated or mocked. If it works for you, it's OK, in my opinion.
Vin
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You want a serious statistical answer?
A quick check back shows that we cleaned around 800 houses last month. Two complaints. One where I missed the entire front of a house (what a pro!) and some spotting on one panel of a conservatory.
We don't use vision but all of our guys know how to clean windows. I'm not sure vision would have helped on problem number one anyway.
I suspect that the main benefit of Vision must be the confidence it gives to people who use it. That's not knocking it at all; it's an important side-effect of using it and is very real. That makes it worth the money to the people who believe in it.
Vin
Just like Homoeopathy?
Is that something that makes gays believe they're straight in light off evidence to the contrary ;)
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I suspect that the main benefit of Vision must be the confidence it gives to people who use it. That's not knocking it at all; it's an important side-effect of using it and is very real. That makes it worth the money to the people who believe in it.
Vin
Just like Homoeopathy?
Indeed. It's strange that the placebo effect is taken so lightly. It's very real and extremely effective and should never be underestimated or mocked. If it works for you, it's OK, in my opinion.
Vin
I think most sensible thinkers came to this conclusion from the start, but its still hard trying to get your head round
somebody seeing something that really isn't there.
I can understand newbies and inexperienced shiners falling for this but successful guys with years of experience well
if I'm honest I do think there has to be a slight bit of stupidity involved and I don't make myself out to be anything special
in the IQ department when I say this.( very hard not to be insulting on this topic )
I mean when your doing a job day in day out you should at least be learning how and what causes what.
I'm not sure if I'm O.K. with somebody selling a placebo even if it does help.
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The trick would be to send them off with a tank of water and no Vision in it, but believing it's been added. They'd come back spouting what wonderful stuff Vision is.
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I'm happy using Froff ;)
The really funny thing is the bloke who thinks he's 30% faster!
Brilliant, to be 30% faster something has to change physically like less movement of the pole or completely omitting an action you previously used to do - what ???
in this job you can't see what's happening during the clean so you can't see the dirt lifting off. The water doesn't go any quicker, your arms don't go any faster :-\
If that claim on their website came from their own mouths then they'd be obliged to prove it.
GG4 works for me, I know it's in the water because I can see the bubbles. I still believe in my case its 80% placebo though. No additive at those dilutions will cover for poor technique or miraculously dissolve dirt but it does in your head.
Would I buy Vision? Maybe but I keep thinking back to the great Boshravie/Hasti con of flogging diluted G101 as Magica One Go and can't bring myself to do it.
These guys were all chatting on forums a couple of years back including the Australian one and all using the same branded product - probably why they joined forces so I cant imagine Vision is much more advanced than what they had back then. ;)
If it works for you then buy it
I had a Bowen massage once - total joke for me - works for some people though.
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I'm happy using Froff ;)
The really funny thing is the bloke who thinks he's 30% faster!
Brilliant, to be 30% faster something has to change physically like less movement of the pole or completely omitting an action you previously used to do - what ???
in this job you can't see what's happening during the clean so you can't see the dirt lifting off. The water doesn't go any quicker, your arms don't go any faster :-\
If that claim on their website came from their own mouths then they'd be obliged to prove it.
GG4 works for me, I know it's in the water because I can see the bubbles. I still believe in my case its 80% placebo though. No additive at those dilutions will cover for poor technique or miraculously dissolve dirt but it does in your head.
Would I buy Vision? Maybe but I keep thinking back to the great Boshravie/Hasti con of flogging diluted G101 as Magica One Go and can't bring myself to do it.
These guys were all chatting on forums a couple of years back including the Australian one and all using the same branded product - probably why they joined forces so I cant imagine Vision is much more advanced than what they had back then. ;)
Dave I find your replies more confusing than most on this subject, you keep slagging Vision but cant make your mind up
if you need it or not.
You experiment with additives and still cant come to a conclusion if they work or not.
I bought a bottle of Vision because I have a lot of trouble with problem openers and a few had stated that Vision might solve it, as I had no previous experience which could prove or disprove this advice I had to try it.
I had no need for any of the other things it claimed to do and even if it did put an extra shine on the frames and glass which it
doesn't I'm more than happy with the finish as it is using pure alone.
But to be honest if it had solved my opener problem I wouldn't care if its a rip off from another product or not as it would have
saved me a lot of time and money.
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I think most sensible thinkers came to this conclusion from the start, but its still hard trying to get your head round
somebody seeing something that really isn't there.
I can understand newbies and inexperienced shiners falling for this but successful guys with years of experience well
if I'm honest I do think there has to be a slight bit of stupidity involved and I don't make myself out to be anything special
in the IQ department when I say this.( very hard not to be insulting on this topic )
I mean when your doing a job day in day out you should at least be learning how and what causes what.
I'm not sure if I'm O.K. with somebody selling a placebo even if it does help.
Well, I'd not consider myself daft but when I changed from a Gardiners brush to a Vikan brick, I preferred the new brush
Then I changed back to a Gardiners brush and I preferred it to the Vikan
Then I changed to a different Gardiners brush and preferred it
Then I changed to a radius sill brush and preferred it
I've recently moved to a Supreme brush and I prefer it.
Sometimes just changing things improves your outlook. There's no question of IQ being involved, IMO. And again, if it works for you, do it.
Vin
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I'm happy using Froff ;)
The really funny thing is the bloke who thinks he's 30% faster!
Brilliant, to be 30% faster something has to change physically like less movement of the pole or completely omitting an action you previously used to do - what ???
in this job you can't see what's happening during the clean so you can't see the dirt lifting off. The water doesn't go any quicker, your arms don't go any faster :-\
If that claim on their website came from their own mouths then they'd be obliged to prove it.
GG4 works for me, I know it's in the water because I can see the bubbles. I still believe in my case its 80% placebo though. No additive at those dilutions will cover for poor technique or miraculously dissolve dirt but it does in your head.
Would I buy Vision? Maybe but I keep thinking back to the great Boshravie/Hasti con of flogging diluted G101 as Magica One Go and can't bring myself to do it.
These guys were all chatting on forums a couple of years back including the Australian one and all using the same branded product - probably why they joined forces so I cant imagine Vision is much more advanced than what they had back then. ;)
Dave I find your replies more confusing than most on this subject, you keep slagging Vision but cant make your mind up
if you need it or not.
You experiment with additives and still cant come to a conclusion if they work or not.
I bought a bottle of Vision because I have a lot of trouble with problem openers and a few had stated that Vision might solve it, as I had no previous experience which could prove or disprove this advice I had to try it.
I had no need for any of the other things it claimed to do and even if it did put an extra shine on the frames and glass which it
doesn't I'm more than happy with the finish as it is using pure alone.
But to be honest if it had solved my opener problem I wouldn't care if its a rip off from another product or not as it would have
saved me a lot of time and money.
I probably wrote too much. Idon't slag the product off exacty - I haven't used it.
I am dubious of it's make up and it's origins and any actual benefit of any additive including my own. That's all really.
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Sorry Dave, questioning would have been a better word than slagging.
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I think most sensible thinkers came to this conclusion from the start, but its still hard trying to get your head round
somebody seeing something that really isn't there.
I can understand newbies and inexperienced shiners falling for this but successful guys with years of experience well
if I'm honest I do think there has to be a slight bit of stupidity involved and I don't make myself out to be anything special
in the IQ department when I say this.( very hard not to be insulting on this topic )
I mean when your doing a job day in day out you should at least be learning how and what causes what.
I'm not sure if I'm O.K. with somebody selling a placebo even if it does help.
Well, I'd not consider myself daft but when I changed from a Gardiners brush to a Vikan brick, I preferred the new brush
Then I changed back to a Gardiners brush and I preferred it to the Vikan
Then I changed to a different Gardiners brush and preferred it
Then I changed to a radius sill brush and preferred it
I've recently moved to a Supreme brush and I prefer it.
Sometimes just changing things improves your outlook. There's no question of IQ being involved, IMO. And again, if it works for you, do it.
Vin
That would explain a few things, I get what your saying.
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Vision is a good product. I cannot understand how the chaps that make it are so shy to come forward and state what there product does. Instead there is always a ongoing debate on what it does and what to expect of it and the results it will deliver. This fact will destroy a very good product and the longer this debate goes on the more opportunity will be lost to be successful. I feel the manufacture either does not know what it actually does or they are afraid we will find out what it is. The marketing falls short and will destroy a good product.
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tried a different mix on my windows this morning think I have almost cracked it will post later in week if mix is right may just need a little tweaking so much slip its unbelievable
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Vision is a good product. I cannot understand how the chaps that make it are so shy to come forward and state what there product does. Instead there is always a ongoing debate on what it does and what to expect of it and the results it will deliver. This fact will destroy a very good product and the longer this debate goes on the more opportunity will be lost to be successful. I feel the manufacture either does not know what it actually does or they are afraid we will find out what it is. The marketing falls short and will destroy a good product.
Thanks slap bash, but take everything you see on this forum with a pinch of salt.
Sales of vision and new happy users have been steadily increasing since we launched in December. If this was not happening then I could see your point.
Better cleanin power, added shine, quicker and more efficient rinsing, less spotting from troublesome windows.
That's what we have always said vision does and nothing has changed.
Jonny.
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Vision is a good product. I cannot understand how the chaps that make it are so shy to come forward and state what there product does. Instead there is always a ongoing debate on what it does and what to expect of it and the results it will deliver. This fact will destroy a very good product and the longer this debate goes on the more opportunity will be lost to be successful. I feel the manufacture either does not know what it actually does or they are afraid we will find out what it is. The marketing falls short and will destroy a good product.
Thanks slap bash, but take everything you see on this forum with a pinch of salt.
Sales of vision and new happy users have been steadily increasing since we launched in December. If this was not happening then I could see your point.
Better cleanin power, added shine, quicker and more efficient rinsing, less spotting from troublesome windows.
That's what we have always said vision does and nothing has changed.
Jonny.
Does take everything you see with a pinch of salt include what you have just said. ;)
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Dishwasher salt?
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Rebottle of something else with a pinch of something else just so they can say its not something straight of the shelf