Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: CLIVEDONNISON on May 30, 2015, 11:33:54 am
-
Hi
Anyone have a recommendation for rust remover.........not much success with prochem one. Ashby's used to sell a really good one but no longer sell it.
Thanks
-
Apparently the Craftex one is superb. Not tried it myself though..
-
Craftex works well
-
Craftex sell the best rust remover......
-
currently using HG limescale remover ... works well :v
-
Amazing that a company like prochem can bring out a rust remover that's crap. The picked up a bottle of rust remover from a guy who was retiring, it's from a company called caliber, best I have used . Currently using craftex rust remover,it's good.
-
Agree with most ^^^^ Craftex is the only one we have found that works ;D
-
craftex yep.
-
The big difference between the Craftex and Prochem Rust removers is that Prochems is ph2.5 whereas Craftex is ph1 which is quite a difference.
Prochem seem to be quite risk averse.... but sometimes you need the hard stuff.
Having said that I have had success with Prochems Rust remover in the past.
-
Well peeps going to have to be craftex............I have tried prochem rust remover on a few occasions with no success. I understand they need to be careful but no point in selling something that has (in my opinion) a low success rate.
-
Rust remover IS Phosphoric acid - they're all the same, maybe apart from dilution rate. You can buy Phosphoric acid from Ebay, dilute down to what you can handle.
-
Sound max, great idea.
-
Rust remover IS Phosphoric acid - they're all the same, maybe apart from dilution rate. You can buy Phosphoric acid from Ebay, dilute down to what you can handle.
work fine im sure ... many of the branded ones contain oxalic and hydrofluoric also or a blend of all , also benifical to have a penetrant onboard to get it into the fibers
-
Craftex sell the best rust remover......
agreed, by far the best I've tried :D
-
Be Careful... we are talking about acids here....Hydrofluoric Acid can be dangerous (it may be a banned substance these days)... WEAR CHEMICAL RESIST GLOVES .
-
I knew rubbing it in with my finger was a bad idea!!!
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1433059008_image.jpg)
-
;D nice one Mike...but it goes through the skin and attacks the bone...nasty
-
looks like you got mixed up with a pepperami mike ;D
-
I only use Craftex, it is the best.
Used to use this many moons ago
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHINK-01281-Rust-Stain-Remover/dp/B000IUGY9S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433110664&sr=8-1&keywords=whink+rust+remover
That was very good too.
-
Craftex. But use with care!
-
I'm sure the craftex is great and I will get some next time round however I had some rust to remove today, 12 spots on a white wool carpet from the studs on the bottom of a suite. I used prochem rust remover and it worked fine.
-
Craftex rust remover is Hydroflouric Acid, Prochem's is Phospheric Acid both are around pH1 which has nothing to do with the strength of a product. They both work, just at different rates. However what you should look at is the safety aspect of the products you use. Hydrofluoric acid is toxic, it etches glass, it is used as an anaesthetic and it will disolve calcium i.e. your bones. So if you are using it then make sure you wear gloves, don't breath in the vapour and for goodness sake don't let it out of your sight.
Prochems rust remover yes is slower but it is safer, although wear gloves as with any spotting chemical. The big thing is you need dwell time, sometimes we are in a hurry for things to work. You may need to rinse and re-apply. Many of the rust removers sold today will be phospheric acid based, if you look at the products in some soft drinks you'll probably find it in them also. That doesn't mean to say you can use 7 up or Coca Cola to remove rust stains.
-
Hi Paul welcome to CIU
Today the Prochem Rust remover took 3 applications and a cup of tea to work ;D, rinsing after each application. I think the dwell was the most important thing.
-
The problem is everyone today wants speed!
It is so refreshing to read the post from Paul. Dwell times are very important with all chemicals! The sad thing is, advice is given regularly like "Slap Hypo on" "Bang some Nitromors on it" "Get some builders brick acid" etc. I am a great believer that anyone using any chemical should fully understand exactly what the chemical is and moreover the consequences of misuse.
A cleaning company used an acid cleaner in the USA. The fumes from the acid were picked up by the air conditioning system and every bit of metal in the building went rusty. (Think about it! every computer, chair screws, door plates, cutlery, tools, sink, desks etc). They caused US$23,000.000 worth of damage to a 30 storey building in 36 hours because they didn't understand the consequences of misuse. Closer to home a company misused a bottle of Builders Acid on a porcelain floor in a public building in North Wales and every single Handle, Kickplate and Handplate had to be replaced on every door in the building and they had to replace the reception desk which had a stainless steel base running round it. The shocking part was that all the damage caused to the upper parts of the doors was caused by the cleaners wearing rubber gloves which had acid residue on them. Finally when they finished the floor was no different because they didn't know what they were doing and some bright spark had said "Use Builders Brick Acid it sorts anyfink mate!"
The moral of this post is next time someone says use this or use that make sure you understand how the chemical works and the consequences of misuse, lack of correct PPE, inhalation, fumes, disposal and how to neutralise accidental spills. I am positive most of you must have seen the demonstration of Coca Cola either cleaning money overnight or dissolving a junior tooth in 48 hours and that is essentially diluted phosphoric acid with a DWELL TIME
-
Good post Kev. There is a distinct lack of knowledge and concern regarding chemicals throughout certain sectors of the cleaning and building industries. Maybe there is a need for specific training on chemicals, their types and constituents and the care in using.
Most courses deal with PH but I think thats about as far as it goes.
I did one course recently where the instructor was using solvents without gloves although he did mention that you should wear gloves when doing this. I had to take him to one side and have a word in his ear about the error of his ways.
-
Craftex with extreme care to yourself and others works very well and we are only talking about the odd spot here not a whole floor. Prochem although safe I find even with a decent dwell just doesn't work in majority of cases.
-
I think craftex has followed on from Stapro, I used Stapro twenty years ago