Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Tom.m on May 26, 2015, 06:49:22 pm
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I'm looking at picking up carpet cleaning. Been looking at a few machines but Ashbys Enforcer really catches my eye, is there anything better on the market?
Also can anyone recommend training courses in the somerset area... need some training and experience.
Cheers
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Hi Thomas
The nearest Training to you is probably Solution (Cornwall) with Ken Wainwright.
If you are interested in Ashby's machine try and do some training with them.
The other option is NCCA a generic course not affiliated with a manufacture.
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Is it the best on the market though ? I've been talking to a few guys over the last few days and they think so !
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Best for what?
Best for cord optimization? Possibly!
Best vacuum? NO (unless John's boosted version)
Best pump? Not exactly, but certainly more then enough for cc and its coated if thats a real benefit?
decent auto fill/apo - yes
Best looking- matter of opinion
easy loading/manoeuvrability - cant comment but looks well designed.
Best price? Fully spec'd with recommended hose/tools pack my quote was over £4k so not imo.
Lew
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Can anyone with experience recommend a good machine? I hear a lot of good things about Altec?
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Its too heavy! Its fibreglass, it dosent load on your van as easily as other machines its more expensive than most other machines
and they are the good points
Stuart
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I've heard good things about the ninja? ...But then i've heard good and bad things about the jag. I don't really want to spend like 4k on machine and equipment and be disappointed with it ???
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Thomas
I've just come off the phone after speaking to Russ, he is buzzing about his enforcer! Not a bad word for it, I am going round Steve gunns place to have a play with his, then I will probably order one if its as good as everyone says , I like the fact that its got an in tank heater, very few machines have these days, and also an inbuilt V2 heater together with a gravity pump out waste tank and a soft start motor start up it loads very easily into your van and it looks very proffesional
Stuart
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Ninja is basically an old enforcer
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Stuart, im sure its a great machine I just cant get my head around it performing so well with the 2 motors in series setup.
My airflex came in matching spec and even at just 50' it was pretty tame. Switched to parralell and runs much nicer I find
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Lewis
I am the same as you mate on series verses parallel so I am yet to be blown away by the Enforcers power ! The guys who ive spoken to have all had machines set in parallel and they all favour the Enforcer now,so its suck it and see realy Steve barnet had a tripple airflex and he prefers his enforcer, russ and steve will tell you its the best machine they ha s owned, and then there is John Martin
this guy knows what he is talking about and has built his own booster system, you might be better trying it yourself before making a purchase
Stuart
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I can recommended enforcef 400psi with in-tank heater + v2steammate. work for me perfectly :)
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Almost made my mind up about going for the Enforcer. I'm trying to pick extras i would need, wand ect...
What sort of attachments are a must? Also what about low moisture? Cimex?
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Stuart, interested to hear what you make of it, some very established and experienced users giving it the thumbs up and they should know!
I didnt pursue this machine purely on price, maybe il get round to trying when I change machines in a few years...
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Lewis
to be honest nobody I've spoken too has a bad word for it, got got enough power, heat and good capacities
a lot of hwe machines these days have water/ solution pumps well over 600 psi but its a bit of a waste realy, my scorpion has a 800 psi pumpbut I rarely go over 250 psi
Stuart
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Luc
is your V2 steam mate inbuilt or seperate mate ?
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Stuart ,different luke lol but I also have 2 enforcers. I'm happy with both of them. Really well designed machines and have plenty of suction. I like the way that when the motors start up there is a slight delay so as not to have a massive surge which can sometimes trip sensitive fuse boxes. The enforcer slides in to most vans and cars so easily and is probably the easiest I ever used or had to lift in and out and move etc. I was cleaning today with both on around 120ft and the carpet was just as dry as the last time I cleaned using my Tm. I only have the emersion heaters on mine as I find this is hot enough for most jobs altho I have a external steam mate. I also have Ashbys vac boosters but I very rarely go over 300psi when cleaning.
Luc
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Thomas
I would only consider a Cimex if you do a lot of comercial, it a beast and no good for domestic work, in fact if you dont clean very wide open spaces ect I would just buy yourself a slow speed rotary ! I have four rotarys and a Cimex, but I use my Chemspec Chemstractor the most of all
Stuart
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Luc
thats encouraging mate, Steve gun said very much the same thing, he said the enforcer had left his stair carpet as dry as using his prowler
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not sure but i think all these 800psi machines are not 800psi at all.
They have the same pump as 500psi machines, press the triger and it goes down to 400-500psi.
What I can see we have a pumptec pumps 500psi and then 1000psi.
Anyone knows and can say how it is for sure?
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I agree with Stuart as I recently brought a cimex for cleaning a lot of commercial carpet I've had pop up and I must admit it's a beast and weighs a ton. Cleans bloody well but Getting it in and out the van is like doing a gym session. Using it for domestic carpets is over kill in my opinion
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Radek
it must be somthing to do with the actual electric motor itself as they all the pump heads seem to be pumptec 205vs
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Luc
after dropping mine the first time I took it out of the van to use it and put a lovely dent in it, I bought twin telescopic ramps
they fold over your bumper and you just have to align the cimexs wheels , makes life a bit easier
Stuart
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Hi all, I purchased the enforcer 400 psi in January, built in heater, V2 steam mate, don't post on this section a great deal as you get all the usual Ba))0(£s about carpet cleaning being used as an add on, we have sub,d out CC for years now with good and bad results, I had guaranteed work, all commercial, we run our enforcer from the van on 90% of all jobs, as yet not a bad word to say for it, total package purchased with sebo duo, hard floor wand, chems, upholstery tool, few other ancillary bits & bobs 6k, this has already paid for itself.
There maybe better machines on the market but I can't fault this one, we even pumped out a whole pub on Friday where somebody had been in and ripped out central heating system, cellar flooded, ground floor flooded, not an ideal use of the machine but it got us started while we waited for gear from speedy.
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I was working at a house this afternoon, it started raining, my Scorpion was outside , and I was thinking an Enforcer might be a better idea ! Ok I have a rain cover for the Scorpion but its a bit of a palaver putting it on I didn't hsve it with me anyway! I had my drop in emrrsion heater sticking out of the clean tank ! An electric shock just waiting to happen ! Lol
Stuart
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lol, i told you to consider the Enforcer Stuart when you first asked and you poo poo'd it!! a machine engineered with the user in mind, not just airflow figures!!
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Cleanet carpets or whoever you are
have you got an Enforcer ?
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lol, i told you to consider the Enforcer Stuart when you first asked and you poo poo'd it!! a machine engineered with the user in mind, not just airflow figures!!
Its a shame they cant do both.
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Stuart - no i have the Airflex, hence you can see i am unbiased.
I know 4 people though who have all had an Enforcer and previously had triple vac machines (Scorpion, Jaguar & Airflex) and they are all over the moon with the Enforcer and the way it is engineered and its usability in the real world
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Cleaner carpets
why dont you start living in the real world , rather hiding as an anonymous ?
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lol, i am not anonymous Stuart
and if it upsets you i won't bother giving you my opinions on helping you choose a machine!!
PS - i do agree the s1000rr is one hell of a bike, nearly as quick as me on my Fireblade!! ;D
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I would tell you one thing... If you choose enforcer you won't be disappointed.
And I am not a marketing man from Ashbys ;)
One thing is, if you thinking about v2, think twice which option you would choose as for me build in is 100% better than the separate one, may not be for you. Machine is a bit heavier but I just lift it when Its go to the van.
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Ive ordered a Storm from John Kelly , the vacume strength of the Enforcer was a lot less than I currently use , I did like on the onboard heat of the machine but to me that was the only plus point
Stuart
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do not forget the magma heater
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Yes Radek
I've ordered a magna as well ! I have a V2 but the magna is supposed to be better ! Time will tell
Stuart
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dont think so its more powerfull, steammate is 3000w as well is it?
you need to know that getting hot water from stone cold water is a myth, they cant take the flow on dual jet wands, makes you working so slow
if you working as a porty indoor then try to fill the machine with a warm water, then inline heater will get you what your looking for
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dont think so its more powerfull, steammate is 3000w as well is it?
you need to know that getting hot water from stone cold water is a myth, they cant take the flow on dual jet wands, makes you working so slow
if you working as a porty indoor then try to fill the machine with a warm water, then inline heater will get you what your looking for
It will only produce steam if you use hot water in the tank. The hottest you can get from cold is about 60 degrees. Thats with the magma anyway. Not sure about the steam mate but I cant see how they can work any differently.
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Yes Radek
I've ordered a magna as well ! I have a V2 but the magna is supposed to be better ! Time will tell
Stuart
You have two heaters ! I say put em both to work , one at the machine the other at the wand , thats something iv being meaning to do for when i run in two vac mode , might as well be using the electricity if its there .
I do occasionally run the Enforcers immersion at the same time as my inline , thats helps keep temps consistent also . I find the Amtech 3kw works just fine , great heat from cold for upholstery , feed water needs to be warm for consistent heat for wand work though .
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I have somthing called a cool tail ! Its a long drop in imersion heater aprox 3.5 kw ive used it for the last 8 years or so, but to be honest its rare I get to a domestic job when there is only cold water,
one other thing, although the Enforcer has this enduraguard water pump, if you use powdered chemical you will envalidate the warantee, I mainly use Chemspec powderd chemicals