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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: CLEANCARE WC on April 19, 2015, 04:52:08 pm
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Been wfp nearly 10 years now & about the last year I have been getting pain in my right shoulder (I am right handed too)
... feels like the ball & socket wearing!
I know I need to see the doctor obviously but wondered if anyone has the same problem?
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I get that. Have had it on going for about a year. I've been seeing a sports masseur fortnightly. She's very good, her treatments bring relief for three or so days. However it wouldn't surprise me if this is going to be an on going issue in this line of work. If I have a couple of weeks off when on holiday it improves but it doesn't take too long for it to revert to the usual state of play once back. External gutter cleaning with the pole does the most damage and occasionally continual high level work, a full day of 40' plus work isn't good for it.
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I think it will be the rotator cuff that is giving you problems, a physio will be able to give you exercises, which if followed should help.
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Wrist elbows shoulder knee ankle :'(
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Been wfp nearly 10 years now & about the last year I have been getting pain in my right shoulder (I am right handed too)
... feels like the ball & socket wearing!
I know I need to see the doctor obviously but wondered if anyone has the same problem?
What poles are you using?
This past year I've had the same niggling issues in my right shoulder (I'm right handed too). Nothing to stop me working, but enough to cause me discomfort especially after a long days work.
For nearly three weeks now I've upgraded from an slx pole, to a extreme pole from gardiners. Already I can feel my shoulder getting better. Friday just gone, I had my largest day of work that gets done once a month, and I came home with no niggles in my shoulder atall.
I'm only 27, but I've been WFP cleaning since I left school 11 years ago, and I've now made the decision to use the most light and rigid poles that are available to me. If I'm in this game all my working life, then I shouldn't scrimp on equipment that will make my working life easier.
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10 years wear and tear. !!!
We don't last forever. Elbows, wrists and right knee started for me. Nearly 50 so didn't do too bad
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Been wfp nearly 10 years now & about the last year I have been getting pain in my right shoulder (I am right handed too)
... feels like the ball & socket wearing!
I know I need to see the doctor obviously but wondered if anyone has the same problem?
What poles are you using?
This past year I've had the same niggling issues in my right shoulder (I'm right handed too). Nothing to stop me working, but enough to cause me discomfort especially after a long days work.
For nearly three weeks now I've upgraded from an slx pole, to a extreme pole from gardiners. Already I can feel my shoulder getting better. Friday just gone, I had my largest day of work that gets done once a month, and I came home with no niggles in my shoulder atall.
I'm only 27, but I've been WFP cleaning since I left school 11 years ago, and I've now made the decision to use the most light and rigid poles that are available to me. If I'm in this game all my working life, then I shouldn't scrimp on equipment that will make my working life easier.
I'm 38 and I have definitely gone past my tipping point, I have started going grey this past year too ;D
I use a 22' SLX for 95% of my work and until the extreme comes down about £100 a pole it will have to do. I do work sensibly.. extending the pole to the correct height rather than working with my hands above my head like I see loads doing.
I guess it's gonna be 'OUR' Tennis elbow but the completely unfair thing is we get that too!
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Damaged my rotar cuff last(the tendon wich joins the shoulder and arm)last year while working on high level work.
Was in pain for many months and the only real solution was to rest it and physio.
Physio and acupuncture really helped.
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Been wfp nearly 10 years now & about the last year I have been getting pain in my right shoulder (I am right handed too)
... feels like the ball & socket wearing!
I know I need to see the doctor obviously but wondered if anyone has the same problem?
What poles are you using?
This past year I've had the same niggling issues in my right shoulder (I'm right handed too). Nothing to stop me working, but enough to cause me discomfort especially after a long days work.
For nearly three weeks now I've upgraded from an slx pole, to a extreme pole from gardiners. Already I can feel my shoulder getting better. Friday just gone, I had my largest day of work that gets done once a month, and I came home with no niggles in my shoulder atall.
I'm only 27, but I've been WFP cleaning since I left school 11 years ago, and I've now made the decision to use the most light and rigid poles that are available to me. If I'm in this game all my working life, then I shouldn't scrimp on equipment that will make my working life easier.
I had that attitude after the first year of wfp.
People may laugh when I use extreme poles for everything,electric hose reels and floor mounted rollers.
I will make sure I high five them when they are complaining years down the line of RSI injuries.
Since going electric reels I have managed to stop back pain and neck pain ;)
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Been wfp nearly 10 years now & about the last year I have been getting pain in my right shoulder (I am right handed too)
... feels like the ball & socket wearing!
I know I need to see the doctor obviously but wondered if anyone has the same problem?
What poles are you using?
This past year I've had the same niggling issues in my right shoulder (I'm right handed too). Nothing to stop me working, but enough to cause me discomfort especially after a long days work.
For nearly three weeks now I've upgraded from an slx pole, to a extreme pole from gardiners. Already I can feel my shoulder getting better. Friday just gone, I had my largest day of work that gets done once a month, and I came home with no niggles in my shoulder atall.
I'm only 27, but I've been WFP cleaning since I left school 11 years ago, and I've now made the decision to use the most light and rigid poles that are available to me. If I'm in this game all my working life, then I shouldn't scrimp on equipment that will make my working life easier.
I had that attitude after the first year of wfp.
People may laugh when I use extreme poles for everything,electric hose reels and floor mounted rollers.
I will make sure I high five them when they are complaining years down the line of RSI injuries.
Since going electric reels I have managed to stop back pain and neck pain ;)
Do you have the Hannay motorized reel from Gardiners?
I'd like an electric reel but their one is £699 plus vat plus extra for rollers etc :'(
And it makes an awful racket aswell judging by the video clip on the website
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I have the cox reel.
Yeah they are noisy. Thing is i cant be doing with leaks and crappy reels. Having had manual cox reels it was a no brainer to swap to the electric.
The idea is to make the reel power wind out and power wind in.
I have the hose roller setup through the floor and its bloody perfect. Speed needs upping a bit which we will do i guess. However i had a race all day with my worker and even though my reel is slower than him winding in by 2pm he couldnt keep up on the 100m runs. Plus i usually check ciu when winding in :-X
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buy the power from jordan king for your reel
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Try building your shoulders muscles and increase your core strength..use less motion
with individual muscle groups and joints whenever possible and use your whole body
a rocking motion is good .
I use a clx27 have a busted up shoulder from a bike accident and never get a pain :)
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5 years wfp for me now and i very rarely get any shoulder pain,my neck is sore sometimes though esp if im doing a f/s/g job.
i tend to
1.not work more than 6 or 7 hours "on the glass" a day
2.have weekends off
3.a few days rest at the end of the month before the next months onslaught.
4.use extreme poles for all work
5.light stretching exercises/yoga before work
6.cod liver oil and glucosamine capsule every day
so for the sake of £100 you wont buy an extreme pole?even though you ve been suffering with a sore shoulder for a year?and itll make your working day easier?it doesnt make sense mate.
best wishes
dazmond
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Try building your shoulders muscles and increase your core strength..use less motion
with individual muscle groups and joints whenever possible and use your whole body
a rocking motion is good .
I use a clx27 have a busted up shoulder from a bike accident and never get a pain :)
good advice from gary here.ive always had powerful shoulders and arms since i started going to the gym when i was in my teens.
also i dont have too many 40ft+ jobs and dont take on too many add on jobs in a day.i spread them out over the month
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Try building your shoulders muscles and increase your core strength..use less motion
with individual muscle groups and joints whenever possible and use your whole body
a rocking motion is good .
I use a clx27 have a busted up shoulder from a bike accident and never get a pain :)
Agree with Gary999
I've had a dislocated shoulder which needed two ops, a slipped disc in my back and a fractured ankle (all from football). I think I have an issue with my joints too. However, since taking training seriously with a personal trainer once a week and regular gym sessions my strength has increased dramatically and no longer get the shoulder and back pain I used to get. I spend less on beer and crap food and spend it on 'me' instead. Get down the gym and increase your strength, especially shoulders and you will notice a big difference.
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At age 29 and 5 years wfp I am also getting right shoulder trouble.
I think we've gone from risk of dying/serious injury on ladders, to hard to avoid RSI injuries.
The trouble is any job, even in an office causes problems over time.
I have started to see a physio has has traced my shoulders problems back to the neck, then back to my core strength and pelvic position.
There's many possibly reasons for shoulder problems so deffo go and see a physio in my opinion.
My problem hasn't been solved straight away but eased.
I now make sure I warm up before work and down after wards.
In an ideal world we need to be going gym to strengthen our shoulder and Pilates/yoga got flexibility as well.
Trouble is after a hard days work I really can't be arsed to go to the gym.
Deffo start sorting it now though. Prevention is so much easier than cure
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At age 29 and 5 years wfp I am also getting right shoulder trouble.
I think we've gone from risk of dying/serious injury on ladders, to hard to avoid RSI injuries.
The trouble is any job, even in an office causes problems over time.
I have started to see a physio has has traced my shoulders problems back to the neck, then back to my core strength and pelvic position.
There's many possibly reasons for shoulder problems so deffo go and see a physio in my opinion.
My problem hasn't been solved straight away but eased.
I now make sure I warm up before work and down after wards.
In an ideal world we need to be going gym to strengthen our shoulder and Pilates/yoga got flexibility as well.
Trouble is after a hard days work I really can't be arsed to go to the gym.
Deffo start sorting it now though. Prevention is so much easier than cure
29 years of age and your suffering already?
God help you when you get to 43!apart from a stiff neck occasionally i have no problems.ive been window cleaning 22 years(5 years WFP).
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I try to rest my shoulders in five star hotels as much as possible.
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I try to rest my shoulders in five star hotels as much as possible.
;D ;D ;D
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I'm 61, worked manually most of working life since 15, self employed since 1983, been cleaning windows 28 years, WFP for the last 10.
It would be easier to tell you where I haven't got joint pain!
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Yep, very painful shoulder, after several visits to GP, referals to clinic for massage then x ray then eventually after much nagging an appointment with shoulder specialist where he injected cortisone into the joint, a bit uncomfortable but 4 years later still able to work when I thought my working days were over. Keep pestering GP.
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Well it was the rotator cuff...
I have been given anti inflammatory 's & referred to hospital for physio, can't wait to start getting better as up until now it's only been getting worse. But pills helping a bit already.
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Devils Claw seems to be a good supplement too guys.
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I'm 61, worked manually most of working life since 15, self employed since 1983, been cleaning windows 28 years, WFP for the last 10.
It would be easier to tell you where I haven't got joint pain!
lol 49 and more problems every week. My right knee started giving up. I think it stems from climbing through back of van and kneeing seat belt holder. It broke holder, so I guess I gave it a good whack. My shoulders are the only strong part of my body left. I even use £1 glass to read every thing. HATE GETTING OLD
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I'm 61, worked manually most of working life since 15, self employed since 1983, been cleaning windows 28 years, WFP for the last 10.
It would be easier to tell you where I haven't got joint pain!
lol 49 and more problems every week. My right knee started giving up. I think it stems from climbing through back of van and kneeing seat belt holder. It broke holder, so I guess I gave it a good whack. My shoulders are the only strong part of my body left. I even use £1 glass to read every thing. HATE GETTING OLD
Bin those crap glasses Duncan.
They'll be doing you more harm than good.
Spec savers are doing a pair for £25.
Do you get free eye tests yet? (I'm not sure) spend the extra few quid.
Old people complain of not looking after their eyes and teeth.
Even when the rest of your body packs up-you'll still need them. Take care of them.
(Not trying to sound like I'm telling you off but I'm having similar conversations with my mum (who keeps bumping into things but her eyes are 'definitely not the problem' ::)roll) and dad (who uses my mums glasses to read the radio times ::)roll ::)roll)
You can afford the extra few quid. Spending that-you won't regret.
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Well it was the rotator cuff...
I have been given anti inflammatory 's & referred to hospital for physio, can't wait to start getting better as up until now it's only been getting worse. But pills helping a bit already.
Well it was the rotator cuff...
I have been given anti inflammatory 's & referred to hospital for physio, can't wait to start getting better as up until now it's only been getting worse. But pills helping a bit already.
A few good exercises to get you started whilst you wait for an appointment ( I will try to explain it as best I can)
1. Clasp your hands at the back of your head, bring your elbows up to the same height as your hands, then slowly start bringing your elbows together until you feel the strain then repeat.
2. If you can get hold of a stretch band they are really good for working the rotator cuff, hold it out in front of you, both hands straight in front knuckles showing, turn left hand out 90 degrees thumb knuckle showing, then pull left arm outwards vertically, repeat on the right side
3. Still using a band, put it behind your back, using one arm at a time pull it upwards and to the front at this kind of angle / (this angle is for the right side obviously)
It is also important how you use the pole especially on top windows, when you are poling top windows you should be alternating your 'high hand', meaning sometimes you should be seeing your knuckles with thumb down, then next house you should be seeing fingertips with thumb up...........Oh and buy an Extreme 18'
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you could look at a few options here,,,,,,,,medical (physio etc).........change your technique......change the hardware you use (extreme pole from gardiners ) etc
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Well it was the rotator cuff...
I have been given anti inflammatory 's & referred to hospital for physio, can't wait to start getting better as up until now it's only been getting worse. But pills helping a bit already.
Well it was the rotator cuff...
I have been given anti inflammatory 's & referred to hospital for physio, can't wait to start getting better as up until now it's only been getting worse. But pills helping a bit already.
A few good exercises to get you started whilst you wait for an appointment ( I will try to explain it as best I can)
1. Clasp your hands at the back of your head, bring your elbows up to the same height as your hands, then slowly start bringing your elbows together until you feel the strain then repeat.
2. If you can get hold of a stretch band they are really good for working the rotator cuff, hold it out in front of you, both hands straight in front knuckles showing, turn left hand out 90 degrees thumb knuckle showing, then pull left arm outwards vertically, repeat on the right side
3. Still using a band, put it behind your back, using one arm at a time pull it upwards and to the front at this kind of angle / (this angle is for the right side obviously)
It is also important how you use the pole especially on top windows, when you are poling top windows you should be alternating your 'high hand', meaning sometimes you should be seeing your knuckles with thumb down, then next house you should be seeing fingertips with thumb up...........Oh and buy an Extreme 18'
Thanks for that KS
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Go to yoga! That's my advice.
I have been to quite a few physio sessions now and gradually this has helped. However, I went to a yoga class this week and found it brilliant.
Felt completely relaxed afterwards and learnt loads of great stretches to do. Shoulders problems much better and I intend to go every week now
Even the physio admitted he is not a long term solution. He said you need to maintain doing something like yoga or Pilates in the long run to keep your body healthy and injury free.
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I'm 61, worked manually most of working life since 15, self employed since 1983, been cleaning windows 28 years, WFP for the last 10.
It would be easier to tell you where I haven't got joint pain!
lol 49 and more problems every week. My right knee started giving up. I think it stems from climbing through back of van and kneeing seat belt holder. It broke holder, so I guess I gave it a good whack. My shoulders are the only strong part of my body left. I even use £1 glass to read every thing. HATE GETTING OLD
Bin those crap glasses Duncan.
They'll be doing you more harm than good.
Spec savers are doing a pair for £25.
Do you get free eye tests yet? (I'm not sure) spend the extra few quid.
Old people complain of not looking after their eyes and teeth.
Even when the rest of your body packs up-you'll still need them. Take care of them.
(Not trying to sound like I'm telling you off but I'm having similar conversations with my mum (who keeps bumping into things but her eyes are 'definitely not the problem' ::)roll) and dad (who uses my mums glasses to read the radio times ::)roll ::)roll)
You can afford the extra few quid. Spending that-you won't regret.
Thought they were £100
I have a few pair. by PC, in van, in bag, by loo and just got a new pair lol. I know what you mean. Even ones from spec savers are made wrong. Loads of people complain
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Go to yoga! That's my advice.
I have been to quite a few physio sessions now and gradually this has helped. However, I went to a yoga class this week and found it brilliant.
Felt completely relaxed afterwards and learnt loads of great stretches to do. Shoulders problems much better and I intend to go every week now
Even the physio admitted he is not a long term solution. He said you need to maintain doing something like yoga or Pilates in the long run to keep your body healthy and injury free.
I couldn't agree with that more.
I've been doing about 45 minutes yoga/stretching most nights for about 20+ years. I'm 54 (Jeeeez, I'm getting old) and have no pain in any joints.
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I like to mix it up. Go lefty every now and then.
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I'm finding this with fascia and gutter cleans - Did four last week and it's taken a few days for the pain to go off in my neck and shoulders.
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Guys who have rotator cuff problems have a look at links below
http://www.uhs.nhs.uk/OurServices/Muscles,jointsandbones/TraumaAndOrthopaedicsShoulders/Shoulder-patient-information/Rotatorcuffrepair/Rotator-cuff-repair-exercises.aspx
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/PDFs/Rehab_Shoulder_5.pdf
It explains exercises needed to be done 5/6 days a week to condition and strengthen shoulders. Also you need to start paying attention to your technique while cleaning windows. I bet most of you are using shoulders way too much causing stress to tendons and joints. This exercise program coupled with massage therapy from time to time will definitely help.
Also you will need consider to start drinking 2 litres of water a day and lay off coffee if you want your muscles to recover faster. Even more after massage.
I'm still doing it myself a 9 months after my rotator cuff popped while lifting a luggage on holidays.