Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on April 15, 2015, 01:45:23 pm
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Second week with the soft Hybrid and it's grown on me a bit. Still a bit of a flicker though and a shocker on georgian leaded windows - that bad that it would probably do some damage! It's the splay that rams the tips into the lead strips so I imagine the whole range will be as bad?
Good brush if you like one that slops about the frames and cleans everything.
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so no good on leaded windows.
can cause lead to loosen you say
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Second week with the soft Hybrid and it's grown on me a bit. Still a bit of a flicker though and a shocker on georgian leaded windows - that bad that it would probably do some damage! It's the splay that rams the tips into the lead strips so I imagine the whole range will be as bad?
Good brush if you like one that slops about the frames and cleans everything.
I have cleaned quite a lot of leaded windows with the Soft-Hybrid during testing and have always found it worked well - needs a gentle touch though, with minimal pressure.
The Supreme medium versions are not suited for use on lead though in my opinion.
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i think the soft hybrid and flocked versions of the supremes are ideal for leaded.just dont apply too much pressure if the lead is a bit loose dave.
the soft hybrid is all ive used all week.great brush.lots of sills/frames and glass are filthy due to pollution/sand from the sahara last week at the moment.they make light work of bird strikes too IMO.
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first day using my flocked and soft hybrid and had no issues on leaded, still have to work on an angle to scrub them right without bouncing off each lead strip, i absolutely love the soft hybrid though, the way it spreads is really nice and skirts over the frame and glass beautifully!
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I tried it on lead and gave up after 2 minutes it jumped like a cat on hot coals lol,very very few brushes out there that work well on leads. The original full trim gardener mono brush worked perfectly on leads but was to heavy that was the only issue.
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Would the soft hybrid be any good on first cleans ?
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Would the soft hybrid be any good on first cleans ?
Yes - http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/brush-suitability-guide/brush-guide.html
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Dave your to heavy handed I've had no issues with leaded windows using Soft Hybrid at all , Personally for first cleans i prefer the Medium Hybrid .
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These brushes really grow on you.
Been using the medium hybrid daily for a couple of weeks now and at first I wasn't sure about it but the bristles seem slightly softer, less bouncy and easier to scrub with now.
Even lead isn't such an issue anymore.
Only negative so far is that my brush seems to shed bristles like it's got alopecia.
Other then that great brush!
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Maybe the particular house, but honestly it was almost unusable - the brush splays with minimal pressure so the tips won't ride over the lead they just ram into the sides. Could be the lead had a very raised profile maybe but I've never had a problem with it before, even cleaned it with a stiff extreme in the past. Just my experience with it. I'm not heavy handed either - it's on an Extreme pole.
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Something like this however, http://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/xtreme-window-cleaning-brushes-105g-165g.html
seems to work very well on leaded.
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My two pence worth – and I have some shoulder and elbow problems (actually getting better now).
Supreme soft hybrid is a good brush and it feels light to use. I would say a general all-round good brush (bit too jumpy for me over leaded). Excellent if you have shoulder or elbow problems and you want something with some guts.
However:
For first cleans and real heavy duty stuff – my medium dual trim sill brush (probably biased but I love this brush).
Everyday maintenance cleans - Extreme medium mixed (very accurate and exceptionally lightweight).
Leaded windows - Extreme soft flocked (glides over leaded windows as smooth a silk, not even a hint of jumping).
Aren't we lucky to have so many brushes at our disposal.
Thank you Alex.
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I don't know how some other people clean leads WFP but that brush soft firm or stiff does not work well on any type of lead,I've spoken to a few who have them and we are all of the same view,it's not an opinion a brush either works well or it dosent. If it jumps all over the shop why should you have to be careful in order for it to clean well,it can't have been made with lead light cleaning in mind IMO
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I don't know how some other people clean leads WFP but that brush soft firm or stiff does not work well on any type of lead,I've spoken to a few who have them and we are all of the same view,it's not an opinion a brush either works well or it dosent. If it jumps all over the shop why should you have to be careful in order for it to clean well,it can't have been made with lead light cleaning in mind IMO
i dont know why you seem so worked up about cleaning leaded windows WFP?I never have a problem.just dont apply too much pressure when scrubbing if its loose.they always come up fine no matter what brush i use.
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I've just taken delivery of a stiff supreme, in came with my new xtreme pole, after nearly 4 years I'd worn the old one out.
I use the xtreme brushes for ever day stuff and then the supalite for 3 monthly commercials that are really dirty. I think the supreme could replace the supalite for the dirty stuff and be lighter as well. Looking forward to having a play with it on Monday.
Have to say I like the way the xtreme pole has improved over the years. I like the stainless steel bands, a brilliant idea.
Simon.
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Used my Supreme on diamond leaded windows today - no problem. Getting used to it now.
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after 3-4 days now i think im actually faster using the supreme than an extreme, it gives you more confidence getting right in the corners with the soft hybrid and it pulls the spiders eggs out a treat, not lost many bristles too like the extremes.
i'd love the lightness of the extreme but the supreme is a fine balance of trading weight and bristles, had a fewfirst cleans this week and no complaints at all not that i get any anyway!!
will be my regular brush from now on.
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Had 3 and sent them back.to heavy and hopeless on leads and Georgians IMO I can't see what advantage it has over other brushes of the same weight at all. Just my view I don't like big splaying brushes I can't see the need for it
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Had 3 and sent them back.to heavy and hopeless on leads and Georgians IMO I can't see what advantage it has over other brushes of the same weight at all. Just my view I don't like big splaying brushes I can't see the need for it
each to their own.i find the bigger splay better for cleaning the frames/sills etc
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Been impressed with my medium white supreame .
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Unfortunately ive been very ill and not working much, but as for supreme brushes ive used a bit, my findings so far are heavy flocked with four jets is good on conservatory roofs an solar panels, my mrs has stiffer white ones she seems to favor the medium soft so far, myself im liking the hybrid supreme, ive used it on really bad first clean it dealt with it easily, general regular cleans, ive not used it on leaded yet, the soft version ive been using on shop fronts it seems perfect for them,
Ok I had a hand in its format from some model brushes I nocked up for alex way back, now brushes can be a very personal thing, some like dual trim some like single trim, then soft or medium or hard etc,
but over the years ive tried to build the perfect brush that will do everthing, but im not sure it exists. But I will say there's a place for the supreme range, its down to finding what works best for you,
now for me I see supreme range for conservatories, solar panels an shop fronts an mucky first cleans, then its extreme for the rest soft single trim for old delicate windows on old manor houses an old thatched cottages, then black an white dual trim for generally the rest, except I use a cut modified soft sill brush on fascia an gutter cleans,
so carrying a few different ranges of brushes in your van for different set ups is a good thing correct, !!!
The better your equipped you are the more efficient you work,
its a personal choice in brushes, take me I still stand by my love of single trim even after all my years, I did send alex a original idea of my dual trim design that still stands to use in extreme range, I still use the design for 80% of my work in black and white extreme, but if we only ever cleaned glass single trim is correct, but we have frames etc to deal with,
well thats my two pence worth, some may agree totally some will disagree, its dont make me right or wrong its just how it works for me, I beleave in being equipped to the best I can be,
Its like some pest control I do there's not one gun that will cover all job's, I need several from high powered FAC rated air guns to rimfire and back to basic springer for fun an close range work,
basically its be correctly equipped to do what job you need,
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I have used the Supreme soft hybrid for this last week and love it.
For some reason I'm working quicker than with the sill brush. I don't actually know why. The results are exactly the same. But I do have a habit of over cleaning so maybe a totally different brush is a placebo.
I dumped the 90 degree Quickloc and put the angle brush holder back on. I have found it makes the slightly narrower brush head more stable on the glass.
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I have used the Supreme soft hybrid for this last week and love it.
For some reason I'm working quicker than with the sill brush. I don't actually know why. The results are exactly the same. But I do have a habit of over cleaning so maybe a totally different brush is a placebo.
I dumped the 90 degree Quickloc and put the angle brush holder back on. I have found it makes the slightly narrower brush head more stable on the glass.
I find 45 degree brush angles better all round. More stable & a better view of the brush.
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I've used dozens of brushes all manufacturers and still say dual trim lots of splay is not needed,the ionic bristles I find are the best quality but they are heavy. Everyone keeps saying this brush is better but what's it better on it does nothing different to the standard brush they do,I've used it on leads and it was awful IMO along with Georgians it bumped and flicked like mad. All down to the angle and shape of the brush when I first saw it I thought of vikan oval and sill brush,each to there own but I won't be using them.
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Second week with the soft Hybrid and it's grown on me a bit. Still a bit of a flicker though and a shocker on georgian leaded windows - that bad that it would probably do some damage! It's the splay that rams the tips into the lead strips so I imagine the whole range will be as bad?
Good brush if you like one that slops about the frames and cleans everything.
I have cleaned quite a lot of leaded windows with the Soft-Hybrid during testing and have always found it worked well - needs a gentle touch though, with minimal pressure.
The Supreme medium versions are not suited for use on lead though in my opinion.
I used the soft hybrid on old style leaded glass today and it jumped about a lot to be fair. Would it be the natural bristles digging in?
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I finally used supreme on 100 year old leaded windows today, I found it not to my liking an switched. Back to a old single trim extreme in soft, now thats the best brush for leaded, but supreme still has its uses.
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Second week with the soft Hybrid and it's grown on me a bit. Still a bit of a flicker though and a shocker on georgian leaded windows - that bad that it would probably do some damage! It's the splay that rams the tips into the lead strips so I imagine the whole range will be as bad?
Good brush if you like one that slops about the frames and cleans everything.
I have cleaned quite a lot of leaded windows with the Soft-Hybrid during testing and have always found it worked well - needs a gentle touch though, with minimal pressure.
The Supreme medium versions are not suited for use on lead though in my opinion.
I used the soft hybrid on old style leaded glass today and it jumped about a lot to be fair. Would it be the natural bristles digging in?
No, it's the splay digging the outer bristles into the lead. Works ok on diamond pattern lead but jams on some square georgian style ones. Because it's a soft brush the bristles are nearly flat with very little pressure.
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To be fair, apart from the leaded issue, it has grown on me gradually. I've not taken it off yet. I have ordered a medium mixed too.
I used to like the soft black Extremes a couple of years back as they tended to mop the glass rather than scrub it. Can't remember why I stopped using them now, probably to try the Extreme hybrids at the time.
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You can't compare fAg paper lead to your run of the mill lead,all saying is what does it do that all the others don't do IMO nothing at all. It does make everyone go straight out and buy a load though lol,but like changing the dials on the dash of my van and saying it's better or improved. Any brush out there will work on new very thin lead lights we all know that
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Back to supreme today on normal windows at standard height the hybrid version, just magic on normal windows, As MC HAMMER said ( you just cant touch this )
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Like i said on normal windows any brush will do as long as it's light if there just plate glass windows,the best way to test a brush is on leads.
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But leads aint a huge percentage in the average round or in light commercial, my single trim for leads is magic but best suited to leads, but dont clean others as well compared to other brushes, unless you have a round full of leads,
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Soft hybrid is just a fantastic brush.
It's already my favourite ever brush and I've only used it for 4 hours !!!!
The splay and the way it glides over the glass so effortlessly is just magnifico.
Haven't had a chance to use it on lead yet but no matter the outcome this brush will be staying on my pole.
My love affair with tecbuk brushes has officially ended :D
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Ain't tried it on leads then lol,I do a lot of old houses which some are leaded. It's ok if your doing a small house with a few leads but when your on a house for 2-3 hours a jumping brush is no fun
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Nwh I will sort some pics out tomorrow of what I use on leaded, might even have a old mocked up I will search weekend,
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Wait till you get on proper leads with it,it will be coming off your pole after a couple of windows lol. It's not much different on Georgians I'd re name it hair flick lol
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Wait till you get on proper leads with it,it will be coming off your pole after a couple of windows lol. It's not much different on Georgians I'd re name it hair flick lol
Cleaned leaded windows yesterday and today with it and it hardly bounced at all, certainly a lot less then the medium hybrid.
The soft hybrid is quite simply the best brush I have ever used...
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If your cleaning PVC leads it doesn't count at all like I said the other day any soft brush will clean that type of lead,old style diamond or square lead it's hopeless to say the least IMO