Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mist A Bit on April 09, 2015, 09:02:25 pm
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with recent complaints that this site is going down hill i thought it might be about time for the most important debate
TRAD Vs WFP.
I will start, wfp much beter than trad.
Before you say it i know its been done a million times but secretly much loved debate
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It has to be trad, winner every time.
Wfp is good for high work ans signs cladding etc
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well this has never been covered before ::)roll ;D
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Pole the Tops and Trad the bottoms................so both...........and if you can only do one, learn both :)
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Trad is better than WFP with pure as has now been proven that it doesn't clean.
WFP with pure and an additive is on an even footing to trad.
WFP with pure and an additive plus hot and an xtreme pole beats trad hands down.
Hope that clears things up.
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That old chestnut again!!!! ::)roll
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For gods sake guys get a sense of humour or at least get with the programme, Eco starting this thread as response to the forum going down hill thread its nothing more than a windup.
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For gods sake guys get a sense of humour or at least get with the programme, Eco starting this thread as response to the forum going down hill thread its nothing more than a windup.
thank you, that's exactly what it is.
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I think you'll find if you keep an open mind that God does indeed exist.
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I find when you trad tops and wfp bottoms it does a far superior job as you don't have to worry about drips comming down!
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Neither.
Shammy leather is the best and only way.
This new fanged broom and water hose thingy mabob will never catch on.
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Trad outside and WFP insides.
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Trad all day long over wfp. The proof is customers whilst out canvassing saying they dont want the pole system and are happy to pay extra for a traditional clean to be done.
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On regular cleans, wfp does a far better job on everything apart from the window ledges.
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Trad all day long over wfp. The proof is customers whilst out canvassing saying they dont want the pole system and are happy to pay extra for a traditional clean to be done.
Interesting.
I wonder what the ratio of good wfp users there are to cowboy splash and dashers.
I bet it's somewhere in the region of 20/80 split.
Most wfpers seem to Rush too much and do a poor job, and this gives it a bad name, which leads to customers thinking wfp is rubbish.
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WFP coz I earn loads of dough ;D
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im down to about 10% trad/90% WFP these days.
its just easier to wfp most work but trad still comes in handy every week.though some days i dont even get my squeegee out at all! ;D
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WFP because I earn more money from it.
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i can now collect in the summer knowing the windows will be smear free when the sun is shining on them. i used to hate that.
i can now go out in very windy weather doing wfp cleaning, where as i couldnt using ladders
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i can now collect in the summer knowing the windows will be smear free when the sun is shining on them. i used to hate that.
i can now go out in very windy weather doing wfp cleaning, where as i couldnt using ladders
There's no need to leave smeary windows when tradding in the summer and wfp has it's problems in the wind, too.
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I have recently set up and I used the traditional method and then the WFP method, I personally thought after looking at it that it is down to the user. When I clean the windows with WFP I clean all the vents and frames and sills and really flush the dirt out. I see trad cleaners just clean the glass and wipe the sill quickly and thats its, the vents look black and above the vent is dirty still. I think there are some great trad window cleaners out there, but some guys take 10 minutes on a 3 bed semi and to me to clean each frame and sill and vent etc and glass in 10 mins is just not a good enough clean imo, unless they have like 5 arms.
I just opted for the WFP method due to the deeper clean it performs, again the user is important, I have had lots of bookings from customers unhappy with there trad cleaner and imo there are to many duff trad cleaners about that give the good ones a bad name. I like the trad method and mastered it and do it on bungalows to save water if low or if a customer wants it that way. But I try to offer the WFP method as I think its deeper cleaning and washing away that dirt. To do a first clean trad method doing all frames and vents etc takes ages and many do not do it. I first hand see and hear far to many times crap trad cleaning, again leaving a bad name for the fewer good ones.
I am still slow on WFP, I read on the forums trying to pick up tips etc as a newbie to it all that cleaners are doing 20 a day, I can not even do that with a WFP lol, takes me much longer until I am satisfied and would take me even longer trading it getting ladder off an setting up and putting back. I manage 13-15 max a day probably a bit poor to most I see on here but £140-160 does me a day, may be pathetic to many on here but the wage is still ok. I could not do that many traditional I dont think, maybe I am to fussy, but trad I could do 10 -12 a day. So WFP all the way for me, but everyone has their way and if it suits them, then so be it, thats the main goal, your happy working with your set up, so "whats best", the set up thats best for you!!! Oh and the person performing the clean, the right attitude to cleaning, the pride and willing to do a good job make a good cleaner using trad or WFP. I just think WFP does get a better more crystal clear clean on glass after watching and doing both. I also since starting have had some abuse from cleaners when cleaning, "oh thats not cleaning properly", "get a set of ladders and do it right mate" from other window cleaners, that feel the need to talk to me even though I have never spoken to them before, seesm WFP is somthing to bash or be jelous or nervous of??? I dont bait traditional cleaners as there are top trad cleaners out there. WFP!!!!!!! Love it, love my job and using it!! Oh conservatorys now are a breeze......:)
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I think your post says everything that needs saying, that's a very good summery of the question, good attitude like that you will go far.
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Scott don't believe everything you read on forums about speed and prices and never forget there are as many bad
WFP cleaners out there as there are traditional infect I would say a lot more.
Most traditional cleaners don't clean the frames and sills because they have never needed to, doesn't mean they cant up
their game if they need to.
There's actually more wfp guys losing work to new traditional guys in my area.
I'm wfp by the way but never take anything for granted.
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I must admit when I was trad I didn't do frames unless customer requests it which would result in additional charges. Now wfp I still take pride in my work and do it properly. I still trad some bungalows and shop fronts and quite enjoy the simplicity of trad on those occasions
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Agree with the guys whom replied after me. I just think its the end user and how he performs, both can do well, after looking in to both I just prefer the WFP and feel I can offer more so went with it. But really there should be no argument, its what you the individual think best suits you and IF you do the ful job properly and leave the frame sill and glass clean as I belive the whole window should be done and not just the glass.
Just enjoy your work what ever why you do it and just make the trade look good by doing a proper job for a fair price using what ever method, job done! happy customer! Target hit!