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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Richard Joyce on March 13, 2015, 05:36:53 pm
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I am about to buy a new van to house a truck mount later in the year, the van is a new shape Peogeut boxer medium roof medium wheelbase I need to house the truckmount, porty, hose reel and all the other gear that we have do you think this is an ok van for the job and also the guys with a truckmount what vans do you have any pictures of your set up and layouts would be fantastic and much appreciated.
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Hi richard
I think a lwb would be better as you will get more room for your extras!
Mwb on that type of van aren't massive as I used to have a Citroen relay
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We run a mwb Citroen & a lwb vw, both with TM's. You will find a mwb cramped even before you try & carry a porty.
On the other hand, you will manage, and after a month or 2 you'll leave the porty where it belongs, in the shed, because you'll find a way to use the TM.
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I would recommend taking your HGV license and getting an articulated lorry, you can never have enough room.
As you can see, ive just got room for 2 stacking blowers and a rotary on the roof, now wheres those bunji ropes ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1426271462_tight fit.jpg)
yes its a poohole, :-[ ;D
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It also depends on what type of truck mount you end up buying, if you get one of the bigger heavier machines i would go for a mwb as the van weighs less than a lwb also i found with my blue wave in a lwb vw crafter the van was always front heavy but now in a mwb crafter it carries the weight better as it sits more in the middle of the front and rear axles.
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As Adrian says, the machine is important. Having said that, long experience tells me to look for the following:
Weight - believe me you will run close to and above the legal spec if you get a 2.8 ton van so go for the heaviest version available, 3.5 being the best. If you don't you will pay in tyre, suspension and brake wear, handling and legality.
FWD rather than RWD. I know this will get people going suggesting that Mercs & VW are the best (both being RWD) but FWD means easier loading of gear through rear doors (no kerb to assist unlike side door).
Length - modern terminology is L2H2 for the van you suggest. It is tight on space for a TM but going to L3H2 makes parking very difficult in such long wheel bases as the Peugeot/Citroen/Fiat and Renault Master.
Layout of van - sub-mount if you can - reel or no reel - shelving - position of fuel tank - heating and/or insulation
We have an Everest 650HP in a Renault Master L3H2. Machine is too heavy for a sub-mount tank so we have a 650L tank across the middle. The van is a pig to park and manoeuvre but anything shorter would compromise what we can get on and the way we work. Hope the photo displays!
Don't skimp on the set up as it will affect how you work for years to come.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1426282525_10502253_660653777336540_5984429847378407752_n[1].jpg)
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Thanks for all your replys, I think a lwb would be just to big, the gross vehicle weight is 3500kg and the payload is 1575kg I am not looking for a TM like the Everest ( but I wouldn't say no) something mid range I would like it sub mounted and to have the hose reel raised and over the wheel arch also a thin style hose reel to save on space then put racking over the other wheel arch. I am right in thinking that the mwb boxer is the same length as the lwb traffic ?
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What size reels do you guys have ? And that is a serious question thank you ;D
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I have a mwb semi high room Transit,great van.
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Is that a similar size to the boxer mwb m roof ? What equipment do you have in it?
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everything,i build a frame which my hose reel sits on,about 3 ft high. i can fit my porty under it. Rotovac,air mover .It does the job,would i like a lwb ,yeah,but parking etc would just be a problem.
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I have vauxhall movano mwb it house my tm it's not a small one but you may have to look at the weight issue.
Shaun
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Hi Shaun what truckmount do you have do you have a hose reel if so what size also can you fit a porty in there as well.
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Ive got a swb citroen relay and in it have a Prochem Blazer, Amtech Powerflite porty, Sebo vac, turbo drier and an Orbis rotary plus chems and wands, tools etc. Whole lot falls out everytime I open the door tho!! :D
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Hi Clive what is the longest hose run you can get off you blazer.
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These first pics are of my old Citroen Dispatch Van with TM, as you can see everything is quite compact, I was on the weight limit all the time. Being told to follow police car once to the weighbridge. Fortunately I was only 5kg over, so they let me off, but it served as a wake up call.
Other photos are of my Citroen Relay with bigger, heavier TM, lots more room, but still on the weight limit.
200 ft 2" hose reel.
Cant load Citroen Relay Phots;
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Citroen relay Photo
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ylMDGrrXiNxfKDM1fEGAFKCjGMRrS7brBc2BUYRRasa9=w334-h222-p-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/v6fUOReJwAkymQusknxCXmRXt_3fI36zsbEgrVubGgdh=s192-p-no)
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I run a Merc Vito with a blazer! 1st thing I done was up rate the rear springs! Back heavy a tell tale sign!
Then I don’t put all and sundry in it!
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Hi Dave what hight and wheelbase is your relay?
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Hi I've got a Titan 575 it fits in a mwb vauxhall movano the lay out it very similar to Dave Lees.
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Shaun You big show off ::)roll how much did that lump of metal cost you? what a waste of money....... do you know about the new range of high powered portables?? Them machines are dinosaurs in the modern world of carpet cleaning :D :D
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I did think about that but as they say it's the thought that counts!
I've come to a point where I'm wanting things to make my life easier may be even better I don't want to make do or have hassles so I thought why not ...it's only money!
Shaun
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Hi Richard,
Most I`ve run is 250 ft I think. Works fine at that distance.
Shaun - looks good mate!!
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Alltec do a lovely fit and i like their service ok it costs money but I needed a new truck mount and the more I thought it through they were perfect for me.
Shaun
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That's a lovely set up Shaun is your van a high or medium roof also how big is your water tank?
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Shaun
Where did you get the reel set up from ?
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Shaun
I bet Chris had a headache haggling with you ;D nice set up
Mike
I don't think anyone was trying to compare a portable to a 25hp or above T/M but there are a lot of guys me included that are weighing up the difference between 4k for a top portable and 12k for a small T/M
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Adrian is selling his complete set up, van and truckmount for £8,000
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Mines in a Movano mwb high roof(http://new.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1426530024_a.jpg), think there's about 600mm width left between tank and box for reel so should be able to fit a porty in there.(if i had one).(http://new.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1426530032_b.jpg)
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Adrian is selling his complete set up, van and truckmount for £8,000
News to me.
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Hi Dave what hight and wheelbase is your relay?
Its the high roof LWB .
Dave.
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Shaun,
Very nice set up, how long have you had that. Oh, and about time! ;)
Dave
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Could the guys with truckmounts let me know who they use for insurance and what sort of costs are involved how does it play out with the normal van insurance.
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A lot of TM users use NFU, as it is plant and this is what they specialise in.
Most companies wont insure you f you have a water tank fixed inside
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Is it a separate insurance or does it cover the tm and van in one
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I have a Hiscox policy for public/employers liability and have machinery covered for upto 20k.
Got it through Gleaming insurance.
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Shaun
Very nice mate looks a nice fit interested to know how much the hose reels were call me when you get a chance
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Hi Andrew how much does your machinery cover cost , also how does having a truckmout effect your normal van insurance are they ok with having a truckmount in the van?
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I pay about £900 a year for public and employers liability with 10M cover for public
this covers the 20k for plant and machinary, I have 15 staff, so find it reasonable to what I was paying.
NFU fine with having the tm in the back, its about £480 a year
Andrew
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Hi Shaun,
Van looks fab..
I've just ordered a new van and shall be fitting it with my new Sapphire 460ss and was wondering where you got your chem rack and solution reel from?
Regards
Henry
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Hi Andrew is that £480 for just the TM or is that for van insurance with the TM added on to it?
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480 is the insurance for the van,it also covers the fact that it has plant fitted to the rear.
if you insured your van with any company and had an accident and hadnt disclosed prior that you had it fitted in rear they would not pay out
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Thanks Andrew, does anyone have alloys on there van with a truckmount or is it a good idea to stick with the steels because of the weight..
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had alloys for 7 years with no problems so far.
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Thanks Derek, do any of you guys with truckmounts have your vans insulated, my van at the moment is, it's also been sound proofed but is it really needed?
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Just insured my two vans with Aviva
One Window cleaning van, 2014 new shape connect. has additional 4 k for water tank replacement (grippatank)
And pug expert 2011 model £4 k additional cover for Phoenix Truckmount.
They charged me £780
They were ok to just be aware of thes, but they offered me the cover, so if one is stolen, and burnt out, I will get van plus money for new system
I thought that was reasonable, considering I'm only named driver.
Mr B
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200 ft can be run off blazer, ive never needed anymore
ive got it in a vivaro high top,perfect
gary