Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Steven Butler on March 05, 2015, 07:51:26 pm
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Getting into encap lately but only tried Dynamall and Fusion Clean.
Are there any other products you would recommend on domestics?
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Dry Fusion
Texatherm
Craftex Catalyst
Surround
Releasit
Environ
Rotobrite 2
Procaps
My "No Name" Encap
There are no specific domestic products other than Dry Fusion and Texatherm (not polymer encaps like above). Most are intended for commercial but many use them for LM on domestics.
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Your no name encap? Tell us more
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No name encap
I have used it and very happy with it , infact my first choice now.
not saying others are not any good , I just prefer since trying, nice smell too.
Geoff
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Where can we find no name encap
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In no name shop
Down no name street
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Where can we find no name encap
Jamie at cleaning systems.
geoff
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No name is something we have had produced.
It has residual protector levels the same as 20% of a dedicated protector application.
Has a really good deodoriser/perfume built in.
Its currently unavailable as we tweak the next batch slightly.
Its mainly for gravity fed or cimex machines as like most other encaps it does give you that irritating cough when sprayed too fine.
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Just like dynamall then
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No.
It doesnt have peroxide and is on the alkaline side of the scale so that it can have a higher polymer concentration.
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how do I get the coffee stains out then Jamie ?
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Are you saying this new product of yours Jamie is more of a maintenance cleaner. Most of the work we do is one off cleans, so the client is looking for clean appearance instantly.
David.
ps have been impressed with the results and fragrance of Cimex encap product, but its not cheap.
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Russ chadd did a video when he cleaned an office carpet with heavy soiling and coffee stains galore, he applied a peroxide encap to coffee stains first then went on with I think ds2.
Shaun
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Always had good results on coffee stains with no name encap, as you will be aware coffee spills in offices are abundant, I think were some people go wrong when using encap is to assume that putting some more solution down is the answer, when in fact if you omit putting solution directly onto the stain but put the solution around the stain and then dry passes over the stain working the already laid solution, the results will be much better.
Simply putting more solution down over any problem area is not the answer, but more passes will do the job, using pads on l/p will also give superior results to brushes imo.
Geoff
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how do I get the coffee stains out then Jamie ?
As mentioned above.
A lot of the time coffee can come out just with regular encapsulation products.
Those that dont I find a post treatment when dry with a peroxide encap or even Chemspec Browning Treatment is enough.
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Are you saying its on your site for me to see and read about
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Is it any more economical?
I find encap quite expensive when used at the right dilution rate (not what's on the bottle)
I did a big commercial a while back and used £150 worth of encap.
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Is it any more economical?
I find encap quite expensive when used at the right dilution rate (not what's on the bottle)
I did a big commercial a while back and used £150 worth of encap.
Around 30 lts of encap give or take ,
How much did you earn for that ? how long did it take you ?
I would have thought AT LEAST 500 sq mtr for 5 litre used with a minimum charge of £1.00 per sq mtre done in under 2 hours !!!
How is that expensive ?
Geoff
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Is it any more economical?
I find encap quite expensive when used at the right dilution rate (not what's on the bottle)
I did a big commercial a while back and used £150 worth of encap.
Around 30 lts of encap give or take ,
How much did you earn for that ? how long did it take you ?
I would have thought AT LEAST 500 sq mtr for 5 litre used with a minimum charge of £1.00 per sq mtre done in under 2 hours !!!
How is that expensive ?
Geoff
So for a £500 job and you use £50 of encap? that's 10% of the job value. Yes I'd say thats expensive.
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Are you saying its on your site for me to see and read about
Nope. There is no information available.
Its still under development with our Black Ops Skunk Works team.
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Is it any more economical?
I find encap quite expensive when used at the right dilution rate (not what's on the bottle)
I did a big commercial a while back and used £150 worth of encap.
Releasit DS2 works out around 4p per m2
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Neil47 where do you get pads for oreck? ?
Cheers
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Is it any more economical?
I find encap quite expensive when used at the right dilution rate (not what's on the bottle)
I did a big commercial a while back and used £150 worth of encap.
Around 30 lts of encap give or take ,
How much did you earn for that ? how long did it take you ?
I would have thought AT LEAST 500 sq mtr for 5 litre used with a minimum charge of £1.00 per sq mtre done in under 2 hours !!!
How is that expensive ?
Geoff
So for a £500 job and you use £50 of encap? that's 10% of the job value. Yes I'd say thats expensive.
Craig ,
I think you missed the point I was trying to make, perhaps the way I put it !!
The figures I have give are at the least you would expect, and I would be very very happy to be able to earn £500 in 2 hours for a lay out of 10% , wish I could do that every day :)
So just to put you mind at ease, the system is capable of achieving 400 mtr an hour and less solution used, giving an even better margin.
I don't want to be intrusive but as the question is relevant to you post, could you answer how big was the commercial job? what was the price? , perhaps then we could evaluate why you think it is expensive.
I would be interested to know when you say you encap, what system do you infact use? I have now been using encap for around 10 years with a cimex and I remember the days when people were scoffing at the system, some still do ::)roll .
What I have noticed recently is more and more c/c wanting to use encap but don't want to get the right tools, they simply put down a pre spay and go over with a rotary, fair enough , I am not saying it wont do a job, I don't think it will do the job as well or more importantly as efficiently as the correct machine, my opinion I know, I have tried other ways of encapping , not for me ;)
Geoff
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I cleaned two specsaver stores last night in south yorkshire, these are regular cleans ie three monthly and have been for over ten years, although they have changed the carpet a few times
last night I used my chemstractor as I didn't feel that my cimex wa inappropriate, just that in the fact there are too many nooks and cranies and although a cimex can devour dirty carpets , I thought it would be easier with the Chemstractor, each store is about 200 sq mts and takes approximately two hours to clean inc scrubbing Amtico, I aint making £500 for two hours but not far off x2
Stuart
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Forgot to say I used Releasit DS2 about 500ml of concentrat e in total to clean the two stores
Stuart
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Chemstractor is a dedicated low moisture cleaning machine and in my opinion superior to a rotary and in league with the Cimex. We use the Rotobrite variants a lot along with the Cimexs in the same way as Stuart for areas with lots of furniture coverage where we can bob in and out of desks. Like the Chemstractor and Cimex they have built in sprayers so save huge amounts of time being able to dispense as you clean. At 50kg and 20" and build for the task they perform amazingly. Yes a rotary will work but as Geoff has pointed out if you do a lot of this type of work a dedicated machine is easily justified.
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Where abouts in South yorks were you Stuart ?
Shaun
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Couple of weeks back did 560sq m of office so total area actually cleaned probably equates to about 500.
I used 38L of ready to use Dynamall so around 2L of concentrate.
At £32 for 4L that's £16.
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Shaun
dont worry mate, not Sheffield ! Lol I could have that one if I wanted, but to big and too far,
I was in barnsley
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I don't do or want them Stu because I hate night work and tbh they're yours I'm not after taking anyone's work I was just interested.
Shaun
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No problem Shaun, I used to do over a 100 but I sold half of them to servicemaster west yorkshire last year ! Got to take it easy at my time of life ! Phew :D