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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Richard ham on February 28, 2015, 12:17:35 pm
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Has anyone tried this..http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/the-badger-facelift-phoenix-water-fed-brush.html
Looks good, i like the protective stock.
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The one reason I don't buy anything other than Gardiners brushes is right in the link you posted Or Not , no real info or decent pics of the brush , Oh and Looks Like A Brick
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The one reason I don't buy anything other than Gardiners brushes is right in the link you posted Or Not , no real info or decent pics of the brush , Oh and Looks Like A Brick
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Gardiners are great and that looks heavy
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I'm waiting for the Gardiners 'brazilian' when it comes out - better looking than a badger.
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I thought it looked like a superlite with the bumper on.
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Brush looks ok but without any reviews you'll never know until you buy it. Personally the fixed fitting doesn't suit me... it's not comparable with Gardiners Quick-Loc !
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Brush looks ok but without any reviews you'll never know until you buy it. Personally the fixed fitting doesn't suit me... it's not comparable with Gardiners Quick-Loc !
I wa thinking the same.
I'd have to start hacking away and grinding off the stock to fit a quik Loq. Can't be bothered.lol
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The one reason I don't buy anything other than Gardiners brushes is right in the link you posted Or Not , no real info or decent pics of the brush , Oh and Looks Like A Brick
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Gardiners are great and that looks heavy
Does it look heavy as it has a nice amount of bristles? It's simple to make a brush light - skimp on bristles and stock size. Will put weights on this week. As a side note - Weight is relative - light brushes simply have less bristles and a far smaller splayed area meaning you have to do more work to cover the same work area. If you put this, or another brush, on a Neon the overall weight will be 200g lighter than any other pole in any case. ;)
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The one reason I don't buy anything other than Gardiners brushes is right in the link you posted Or Not , no real info or decent pics of the brush , Oh and Looks Like A Brick
+1
Gardiners are great and that looks heavy
Does it look heavy as it has a nice amount of bristles? It's simple to make a brush light - skimp on bristles and stock size. Will put weights on this week. As a side note - Weight is relative - light brushes simply have less bristles and a far smaller splayed area meaning you have to do more work to cover the same work area. If you put this, or another brush, on a Neon the overall weight will be 200g lighter than any other pole in any case. ;)
Would that be the same Neon you ripped off Gardiner's Xtreme design with & claim it for yourself? ::)roll
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The one reason I don't buy anything other than Gardiners brushes is right in the link you posted Or Not , no real info or decent pics of the brush , Oh and Looks Like A Brick
+1
Gardiners are great and that looks heavy
Does it look heavy as it has a nice amount of bristles? It's simple to make a brush light - skimp on bristles and stock size. Will put weights on this week. As a side note - Weight is relative - light brushes simply have less bristles and a far smaller splayed area meaning you have to do more work to cover the same work area. If you put this, or another brush, on a Neon the overall weight will be 200g lighter than any other pole in any case. ;)
Would that be the same Neon you ripped off Gardiner's Xtreme design with & claim it for yourself? ::)roll
No ripping off Chump, Neon is based on 20+ year old technology, go figure....
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The one reason I don't buy anything other than Gardiners brushes is right in the link you posted Or Not , no real info or decent pics of the brush , Oh and Looks Like A Brick
+1
Gardiners are great and that looks heavy
Does it look heavy as it has a nice amount of bristles? It's simple to make a brush light - skimp on bristles and stock size. Will put weights on this week. As a side note - Weight is relative - light brushes simply have less bristles and a far smaller splayed area meaning you have to do more work to cover the same work area. If you put this, or another brush, on a Neon the overall weight will be 200g lighter than any other pole in any case. ;)
Would that be the same Neon you ripped off Gardiner's Xtreme design with & claim it for yourself? ::)roll
No ripping off Chump, Neon is based on 20+ year old technology, go figure....
From where I'm looking Foxy it's an almost identical replication of Gardiner's Xtreme design & innovation! Very disingenuous on your part to claim otherwise. ::)roll ::)roll However, I can safely assume it's of much lesser quality than the "Real Maccoy"!!
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Chump, you've got both to make that claim?
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whats the neon?? any link i'm interested.
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The badger brush is 360g. Bit to heavy for me.
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His only trying to create a product guys . Give him a break ,
If it's for you buy it , if not just keep buying your own preference brush .
Plenty of choice out their .
Atm I have gardeners Cill brush , another gardeners and 3 different Tecbuks .
And a Vivian brick .
I still think there's improvements to be made on all of what I'm using .
Never had a Facelift one
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Neon clamps look different to me.
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The badger brush is 360g. Bit to heavy for me.
far too heavy for a regular brush on the end of your pole for sure.
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Just as well stick a real badger on the end - about the same weight. We've got loads by the side of the road down here.
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I have been using the 'phoenix brush for the last couple of months, mainly on first cleans with hot water, I have to say it has been FANTASTIC! The bristles hold there shape very well and it has excellent cleaning power. A little stiff if you are using cold on leaded glass but you can just get away with it on lead using hot.
The only thing with the badger is the fixed attachment angle. I would like to try this and will probably do so when the phoenix is completely worn out.
If the phoenix is anything to go by it should be good.
Hope this helps.
(Mr Fox if you would like a review doing on the badger I would be more than happy too if one accidently arrived for us to try. lol.)
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May as well stick a Super-Lite on the end as Facelift seem to be making cheap copies of everything Gardiner these days!! ::)roll
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You've got to be thick skinned to be a supplier in this industry. ;D
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Chumbucket, I am very PRO Gardiners, but credit where it is due, this brush has performed better than superlite's and sill brushes from gardiners on the first cleans I have been doing. On cold water maintenance cleans its sill brushes all the way for us but I was finding the gardiners range although lighter where not lasting very long on first cleans. January and feb I have been first cleaning every day and the phoenix has stood up very well to the abuse.
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Chumbucket, I am very PRO Gardiners, but credit where it is due, this brush has performed better than superlite's and sill brushes from gardiners on the first cleans I have been doing. On cold water maintenance cleans its sill brushes all the way for us but I was finding the gardiners range although lighter where not lasting very long on first cleans. January and feb I have been first cleaning every day and the phoenix has stood up very well to the abuse.
That doesn't excuse Window Cleaning Warehouse / Facelift's mendacious attempt to blatantly rip off another manufacturers product then publically claim otherwise- Foxy isn't fooling anyone. Just remember, if it wasn't for Gardiners, this industry's products would still be years behind.
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If we seen more reviews of other products on websites such as WCW then the market would benefit even more. I don't want to waste £30.00 on a brush that doesn't suit my work or doesn't last long.
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Competition has to be good for the consumer, perhaps prices could drop as we all know the brushes dont even cost £5. So its a massive markup. Even at 250% markup the brushes would only be £17.50. Prices need to drop as we all have the internet and we all know how much we are being ripped off. Rant over, off to work:-)
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Competition has to be good for the consumer, perhaps prices could drop as we all know the brushes dont even cost £5. So its a massive markup. Even at 250% markup the brushes would only be £17.50. Prices need to drop as we all have the internet and we all know how much we are being ripped off. Rant over, off to work:-)
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I really wish that our brushes were this cheap to make. We have our brushes made here in the UK by a world class brush manufacturer and each one costs us a lot more than the price you have quoted above. This is without the high tooling costs for stocks and development.
Admittedly some of the brushes on the market are made in bulk in China and these ones may well cost as little as the price you have mentioned.
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Competition has to be good for the consumer, perhaps prices could drop as we all know the brushes dont even cost £5. So its a massive markup. Even at 250% markup the brushes would only be £17.50. Prices need to drop as we all have the internet and we all know how much we are being ripped off. Rant over, off to work:-)
Brushes do cost a lot more than a £5, especially with adding components- tooling, tubing, jets, sockets etc along with stock can run into 10's of thousands. I think the pricing may well get cheaper later on in the year with developments in brush styles.
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I get bored and have a magic bucket of brushes recently I grabbed out my bucket a white and blue superlight for another play around with, beside the weight its effortless to clean good scrubbing power, im just use to weight of extreme brushes but this superlight would be a good idea and better if made into extreme weight, hint hint, there is a other simular to blue and white but my mrs uses it and wont give it back so I can play but for superlight range it will be a good brush, it wouldn't hurt to trim 5mm off bristles (hint) the white bristles thats what ive done to it recently,
a brush is one of the most important tools we have ,
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I get bored and have a magic bucket of brushes recently I grabbed out my bucket a white and blue superlight for another play around with, beside the weight its effortless to clean good scrubbing power, im just use to weight of extreme brushes but this superlight would be a good idea and better if made into extreme weight, hint hint, there is a other simular to blue and white but my mrs uses it and wont give it back so I can play but for superlight range it will be a good brush, it wouldn't hurt to trim 5mm off bristles (hint) the white bristles thats what ive done to it recently,
a brush is one of the most important tools we have ,
Imagine a Gardiner website where you can customize your brushes :o :o
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I think the price of a brush is not the most important factor. Lets face it if a brush lasted you a week you should still have made some decent profit from it.
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How well brush cleans is more important than price, pride before profit,
customise brushes, mmm I stick to my magic bucket there has to be close to 30 brushes from prototypes to modified originals,
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So Alex. What happened to the new brushes that were coming out?
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So Alex. What happened to the new brushes that were coming out?
They are looking good :)
I am talking to the factory tomorrow to finalize the delivery date. The standard width Supremes will be the first to be released, hopefully very soon, as I was originally hoping to have them on the shelf by now.
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Never goes always to plan everytime then alex ah alex what you know about graphene it was on gadget show last night looks interest,
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So Alex. What happened to the new brushes that were coming out?
They are looking good :)
I am talking to the factory tomorrow to finalize the delivery date. The standard width Supremes will be the first to be released, hopefully very soon, as I was originally hoping to have them on the shelf by now.
That'll be the middle one then.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1425421272_large_supremes.jpg)
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This is a nice brush, :P
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/grizzly69_2006/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150304_12_06_57_Pro.jpg) (http://s96.photobucket.com/user/grizzly69_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150304_12_06_57_Pro.jpg.html)
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This is a nice brush, :P
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/grizzly69_2006/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150304_12_06_57_Pro.jpg) (http://s96.photobucket.com/user/grizzly69_2006/media/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150304_12_06_57_Pro.jpg.html)
Why?
And what brush is it?
Love those drumstick air freshners btw ;D
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So Alex. What happened to the new brushes that were coming out?
They are looking good :)
I am talking to the factory tomorrow to finalize the delivery date. The standard width Supremes will be the first to be released, hopefully very soon, as I was originally hoping to have them on the shelf by now.
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Sent a text to your place asking if they know anything. They said they don't know anything but keep looking on the "whats new" section on web site :-\
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So Alex. What happened to the new brushes that were coming out?
They are looking good :)
I am talking to the factory tomorrow to finalize the delivery date. The standard width Supremes will be the first to be released, hopefully very soon, as I was originally hoping to have them on the shelf by now.
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Sent a text to your place asking if they know anything. They said they don't know anything but keep looking on the "whats new" section on web site :-\
Employees should be treated like mushrooms ;D
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Pole king the drumstick air freshener is a must, the brush came out my magic bucket not sure if it has a name but lets call its mary poppins
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We've just moved to Jelly Belly ones.
My youngest tried to eat it ::)roll ;D don't taste as good as they smell
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been looking at them phonix brushes there , to heavy and to harsh for me , they feel like yard brushes , i wouldn't give them van room
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I have extreme brushes now and love them I ip can't understand why people don't like them , as for the coming of products I don't have a neon or extreme but a pheonix and a slx and they are very different both good in various ways,
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we have just replace our xtreme brushes for the longer 4 jet ones four work over 30ft and ive got to say there really good
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how long do your extreme brushes last susan ive just got our so I have no clue yet, but they really are a joy to use