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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Brendan (chem2clean) on February 24, 2015, 04:06:14 pm
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Hi, reading on some forums lately that google might like all sites to be mobile friendly.lately when searching on my iPhone I see this under the site link. Don't think they are punishing sites yet that are not mobile friendly,but might be something to think about.
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i actually hate mobile friendly sites, most of them,
if you go for it then make sure there is link for standard website as well
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Agree radek, don't like them myself. Think there's themes and plugins that can make my wordpress site mobile friendly .Radek on a different note, I am just waiting for Eddie to set a date on some training , you still going ?
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yep, need to call him, trying everyday but forgetting :)
did he tell you where its gonna be?
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Think it's in Dublin Radek. Text yesterday , still no date yet .
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A web site if for our benefit to gain work. Have it as user friendly as possible and you will gain the extra income. Customer first your self second.
David
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Google is going to penalise non responsive sites soon.
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From a copywriting point of view I hate them (because they mess up our carefully tested layouts). "A web site if for our benefit to gain work." That is the main role so it's a pity that Google is in effect, penalising good layout,
Both myself and Dave Power (maybe others) have had messages from Google saying our sites are not mobile friendly (yes they are genuine). If Google gives you a red warning it's best to take note.
I also noted that in Google Page Speed Insights, they were saying a redirect (to a m. mobile version) was a factor in slowing down load speed and should be avoided.
Edit; Beat me to it Dave!
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Hi Garry, if changing to a mobile friendly site
Effects the speed, what are the options ?
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I think the site needs to be mobile responsive, so it changes depending on device, rather than being diverted to a seperate site.
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Thanks Dave , so I am right in thinking that there is plugins and themes on Wordpress that will sort it?
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Not sure about plugins but when choosing a theme you can use the search criteria to find a responsive one.
Here's an example (although a bit rough ;))
www.carpetcleanerswirral.co.uk
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I like it , I am just testing some themes. One thing or another with g!!!!!
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Just wondering, is there an easy way of converting a static html site to a responsive wordpress one ?
keeping all the content etc ?
Always looking for the shortest short cut ;D
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think it is possible to convert to responsive web, cost on average 400 from what i can see on google
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You shouldn't need to change your existing website to 'convert' it to mobile friendly.
You can put a snippet of code in your existing website which diverts mobile traffic to a mobile specific website - check mine out to see this working (using a mobile of course)... www.zap-clean.com
And, I believe you can do all this for free using google, if you have the techie skills (but I haven't done that).
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Just wondering, is there an easy way of converting a static html site to a responsive wordpress one ?
Steve, it's about changing the stylesheet. I know Mark Roberts (Devon one) can do it.
You can put a snippet of code in your existing website which diverts mobile traffic to a mobile specific website - check mine out to see this working (using a mobile of course)... www.zap-clean.com
That is what I meant be a redirect above. That is what Google are moaning about in their speed tests.
Many of these things we are talking about are sometimes very marginal. If you put your site through the Page Speed Insights Test, you will get a whole lot of recommendations to get the perfect site. Some of these are actually impossible to achieve because they are beyond your control.
Another important point is to look at your statistics.
Most sites I have access to have about 85-95% of visitors using PC browsers or large screen resolution tablets. A friend who is into his gadgets, often bookmarks a site on his phone and then looks at it in more detail on his PC at home. Why? He says the phone screen is too small to read (apart from ordering takeaways).
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Reading an article that Google will roll out a new ranking system,if your site is not mobile friendly by then you might get hit..
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Yes it certainly looks like that's the way it's heading. Try putting your site through this...
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/
Itt will give you some recommendations.
Be warned though, some things it picks up are actually impossible to fix so don't get too hung up about it.
Is it just me or do most of the "problem" customers come from mobile enquiries?
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There are quite a few website developers on Fiverr.com who will convert a html site to wordpress for you for a smalll fee,
think I may go down this route.
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April the 21 st is the date when this update is supposedly kicking in.
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Yes it certainly looks like that's the way it's heading. Try putting your site through this...
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/
Itt will give you some recommendations.
Be warned though, some things it picks up are actually impossible to fix so don't get too hung up about it.
Is it just me or do most of the "problem" customers come from mobile enquiries?
Thanks for that Gary
David
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I never mentioned Wordpress.
I'm talking about any site. I would have thought non Wordpress sites would score more highly. There are though, often third party aspects that you have no control over.
As a marketer, the only figure I'm interested in is the load speed (plus conversions of course).
Is this good enough? It's a Wordpress site with a home made responsive theme by Artisteer (template maker) I would imagine the code is absolutely lousy. It's on an ordinary shared hosting account without using a CDN.
I can understand coders wanting to produce the perfect code but most people don't give a toss.
Some friends have a site that was done in tables with Microsoft Frontpage years ago. It ranks for lord knows how many keywords natinally and brings in about £ 700 a day I believe. When it was put through those validators there were on average, about 150 code errors on each page.
David, sorry about this. I put the page speed insights link as I thought it was a good simple starting point. I could have put others but I did not want to complicate things.
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ive just tested yours garry and it failed the mobile friendly test.
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The ones in the signature?
That's right Derek. Got the message from Google a while ago.
I've actually blocked one from the search engines. I thought it had been de indexed but not yet.
I'll let you off this time, you mischevious wotsit ;D
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Sorry I know you didn't mention WordPress it was just a general post not directed at you m8.
>>>I can understand coders wanting to produce the perfect code but most people don't give a toss. <<<<
Isn't that the truth, however there are reasons to start going forward.
1) Perfecting the code/speed is important for conversions, its been proven that if a site takes more than 2-3 seconds to load many visitors click the back button before the page has loaded, so you are actively losing customers. This isn’t a problem when on a broadband connected device but when you’re out and about on 3G that's when you see what a problem this is, especially if you have paid Google ads for that click! You can read some case studies about this here http://www.icrossing.co.uk/slow-pages-lose-users
2) There is also another update coming you guys should consider, Google is testing a red icon that says "slow" next to sites in its index that aren't up to standard, will people still click on your site if your site has this icon next to it?
>>>Some friends have a site that was done in tables with Microsoft Frontpage years ago. It ranks for lord knows how many keywords natinally and brings in about £ 700 a day I believe. When it was put through those validators there were on average, about 150 code errors on each page.<<<
Yes I have seen these sites as well, 2015 is the year you will see these sites vanish. Google wants to give their users the BEST user experience possible and only direct them to sites that provide that best user experience, since more users are now using phones on the go (3-4G) than the old days of PCS they want to rank the fastest/best user experience sites first, sites that have made the effort to ensure their users, (essentially Google's) users get the very best "user experience".
If your website is used as an extension to your leaflet campaign you have nothing to worry about, if your website is used as a marketing platform via Google and you rely on any organic traffic you will have problems with all the emphasis on speed and user experience coming down the pipeline.
There are a lot of dodgy page speed tests out there, im not sure I would rely on any speed test other than Googles own test tool. if you want to know if your going to have problems with google rankings in the future always use their test tool to see exactly what THEY think of your website and you cant go wrong. https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/
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The ones in the signature?
That's right Derek. Got the message from Google a while ago.
I've actually blocked one from the search engines. I thought it had been de indexed but not yet.
I'll let you off this time, you mischevious wotsit ;D
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yeah one couldnt be read and the other failed. my cheshire one failed but i'm phasing that one out, my wife's new one passed so thats a good thing. I've been testing quite a few and its amazing how many are failing, i think 40% is about right.
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Yes I have seen these sites as well, 2015 is the year you will see these sites vanish. Google wants to give their users the BEST user experience possible and only direct them to sites that provide that best user experience, since more users are now using phones on the go (3-4G) than the old days of PCS they want to rank the fastest/best user experience sites first, sites that have made the effort to ensure their users, (essentially Google's) users get the very best "user experience".
Best user experience (UE) is also how people behave during visits to the SERPs.
Which result do they click on (get your copywriting up to scratch. I've seen sites jump several places on a page with "induced" traffic.
UE is how long they spend on the site and whether they click back to the SERPs. The site in question has most people staying for several minutes (many up to 18 - 20 minutes at a time). Why, because the copy is interesting to them (I think that is called user experience?). I know because I see the emails from real people who actually buy things online.
Our tracking tells us that they are reading right to the bottom of the page before contacting the company. It also shows a lot of other things that I'm not going to discuss on an open forum. It adds a few ms to loading speed but the information it gives us is far more valuable.
As to the speed tests, if you don't like them don't use them. I'll readily admit you are a far better coder than me. For the record, all future sites will be mobile friendly.
As far as internet stuff goes I'm small fry.
Outside of cleaning I think I only have say 27 websites and a couple of hundred Web 2s. That's far too small a sample to get meaningful test results. That's why I pay a lot of money each month to someone who has many thousand sites and knows a lot more than me. With respect, I prefer to take advice from them.
There are a lot of dodgy page speed tests out there, im not sure I would rely on any speed test other than Googles own test tool. if you want to know if your going to have problems with google rankings in the future always use their test tool to see exactly what THEY think of your website and you cant go wrong. https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/
Would that be the tool I suggested using earlier in the thread?
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>>>Outside of cleaning I think I only have say 27 websites and a couple of hundred Web 2s. That's far too small a sample to get meaningful test results. That's why I pay a lot of money each month to someone who has many thousand sites and knows a lot more than me. With respect, I prefer to take advice from them.<<<
No need to get defensive bud!! My advise is not my advise, its the advise of either the search engines you want to please or the guy who invented the internet/HTML himself, Tim Berners (The W3C).
If the guys you pay allot of money for advise can dismiss the coding standards of the guy who invented the internet (the W3C) .... The same standards every browser uses to render a web page.... who knows, maybe your advisers know something the university lecturers who teach web application development and inventor of the internet doesn’t?
>>>Would that be the tool I suggested using earlier in the thread?<<<
Yes the tool you advised is impossible to please.. "some things it picks up are actually impossible to fix."
Which is not accurate
Sorry for anything you have taken personally m8, it wasnt intentional or even directed at you. I realise some people can get defensive about their sites if they have built them themselves or paid allot of money for, I was just asked by some cleaners I met here 4 years ago to come back and present some other useful verifiable tools and correct information for the community...
Anything to do with cleaning I would respectfully accept you are the man with all the answers for, and if you built yours sites yourself and its not your full time day job, as a 15 year full time hand coder I can tell you that you did a good job...
Best of luck with your sites moving forward!
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Oh dear Marcus. This is just getting silly.
I agree that there is an upcoming change in the mobile search results that will also I suspect impact on desktop search as well. But...
What on earth has 15 years hand coding got to do with internet marketing?
who knows, maybe your advisers know something the university lecturers who teach web application development and inventor of the internet doesn’t
Yes they do actually. Of course they do, they are highly successful internet marketers. They make a lot of money online.
Which is not accurate as I can prove with my example site http://www.responsive.tattoowebdesign.com
No, let's go with your actual website.... tattoo
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tattoowebdesign.co.uk%2F&tab=desktop
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tattoowebdesign.co.uk%2F&tab=mobile
Whilst we are at it... At Uni, I presume you missed the lecture about readership?
White text on a black background is a big no no. Most big agency tests show it halves the readership compared to black on white (due to increased eye fatigue). Exceptions are overhead projectors, theatre programs and mobile phones in dark places (nightclubs). Web design basics.
Still on the site, stuff like this...
Your "Google Places" rank is controlled by your organic SEO, basically your "Google Places" rank and where you feature on "Google Places" is dictated by your organic SEO. You cannot have a places result and a “non places” result on page one for a search term that is in demand, its one or the other, why? So that Google can deliver “diversity” in the search engine result pages. Good Google Places ranking = Good SEO
Sorry. Just plain wrong. You offer SEO services and tell clients that? Unbelievable.
-HOWEVER I offer an unbeatable personal guarantee!
If you can find another company to put you up an additional website and run SEO, for a budget of up to 20 times higher than my monthly fee, and it ranks HIGHER than the site I provide, I will run/host/update/maintain the site of yours with me completely free for the entire duration the other sites outranks it for its "main key phrase".
Great to have an irresistible offer, but this one will break you.
There are half a dozen guys on here with a load of internet marketing experience. Wynn, Tony, Vernon and the others (sorry if I missed a name) will be killing themselves laughing at this thread. It defies belief.
Are you saying that if you charged £ 100.00 a month that one of those people could not outrank you with two grand a month to spend? I think you will have a shock if you get into the real IM world.
Why not just give the people on here some practical things they can do to negate the upcoming upheaval?
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If there is anyone still here, I do apologise.
Give the boy a gold star.
Yes the site had a penguin penalty (bang on 24 42012) when it dropped from position 2 down to who knows
Yes the site has a Panda penalty due to "thin content"
Yes the code is awful (done years ago).
I also now accept that every internet marketer on the planet is an idiot (even the ones on £100k a monnth) and all university lecturers are brilliant
Derek, those are some of the reasons why I took it out of the index. Sorry mate, I never thought this would happen because I suggested that people should use a test tool to help them with their mobile stuff.
I'm out of here
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Thanks for confirming my Penguin/Panda diagnosis from a simple glance at your sites, not too shabby for a guy who doesn't know anything about online marketing ::)roll!
Best of luck in your Google penalty recovery efforts buddy!
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Watch out folks! The boy's got a backlink checker and he's not afraid to use it! ;D
Shame he didn't read post no 6
Could have saved himself a load of trouble.
That lack of attention to detail is worrying.
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>>>That lack of attention to detail is worrying.<<<
Indeed, my attention to detail is worrying...
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.responsive.tattoowebdesign.com%2F&tab=desktop
For my clients competitors that is ;D
Have a good weekend Gary, get a few pints down yourself, life's really to short for hostility!
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marcus, do you make websites?
what is your standard price for a cms website, responsive, for a carpet cleaners?
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Nothing like a website thread to create conflict. :)
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thanks
if i good understand, I dont own the website becouse need to be hosted by yourself?
Is this the only option?
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Hi Marcus,
Please refrain from breaching forum rules, if you're interested in advertising please email advertising@cleanitup.co.uk
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Hi there, may i have an email address or tel no, i am looking at building a new web site.
Cheers
Liviu
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Or he could just click on your name To send you an email :P
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haha oh yea, what can I say, im not very good finding my way around website ;) thx m8
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marcus, if the cms website is not on my server then I do not own it,
I can not copy it to the other folder, change content and use it for other domains/websites, something I do with my current website. If for some reason you close your business, you die or any other reason all your customers are fuc..d :)
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Radek Jablonski, that's not true as I have plans in place , currently NONE of my clients have ever BROUGHT a site from me and only lease the sites on a monthly basis so no one would be screwed even if I had no one to take over on my demise, which I do...
To release my CMS code would open my clients up to the same problems WordPress suffers from, exploits from hackers. It would also allow someone to take my 15 years HARD work and resell it themselves.
If you’re looking for a CMS you can move then my services really aren't going to work for you, for a CMS that isn't open source you would be looking at paying thousands not hundreds, especially one that allows you to scores 100% on Google test tool, in fact I don’t believe one even exists elsewhere. WordPress is probably the best solution for you based on your needs of moving the CMS elsewhere.
In all honestly I cannot take on anymore clients anyway as its a full time job supporting my current client base.
Good luck m8!
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paying monthly is overcharging myself,
good to those running big businesses having no time to manage it.
who the hell needs a non open source coded website :) are we a big web portals that can be attacked?
and who needs 100% on speed test? once is mobile friendly 100% and speed above I say 60% then it must be ok as most of website are like this, do you want to say that google gonna love your websites only becouse are 100% on this test?
do not like the idea for paying monthly for the website designed once, it can lead to thousands over a years while a good website is between 500-1000 pounds, just like yours, the same project, with a bit changed design, graphics, content.
It is just an excuse to charge monthly overpricing the same product.
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The truth is the money is made with hosting fees and rentals not building websites why sell the golden cow when they can be paying forever with your hands grasping thier balls........keep paying or the website disappears
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Why does anyone rent anything? Allot of people don't want to pay 1-2k for a website design that sorry to say, will become outdated and need replacing every 3 years m8.
Lets say for arguments sake a decent wordpress website would cost you what £1000 + (forget £500 that's not decent) but it will need replacing in 3 years if you want to stay uptodate. Sites I built 3 years ago im having to now replace (for free). My charges of £25pm x 12 months x 3 years = £900. (I must stress I am no longer accepting clients please do not contact me) I wasn't very good at math in school but £900 is cheaper than £1000. Then go ahead and take out the hosting fee you would pay anywhere, a good windows hosting needed for the latest ASP.net web applications to run is say £5.50pm so £198 hosting over 3 years, deduct the hosting fee and the net profit to me is £702 so..... £300 less than £1000 over a 3 year period.
I get that you don't want my services Radek, im not bale to make them available either, and I am truly orry if you feel my business model is an injustice to my clients but since everyone knows my terms and conditions upfront and my client base are not held down with a contract they can walk away with their domain name at ANYTIME. The real risk is only to me when you think about it as it takes me years to claw back the money i could have otherwise charged upfront in one go. What if they die, what if they quit? what if they don't pay? You will be happy to know I lose, my family loses, I wont be able to pay my rent....Hopefully that makes you feel slightly better to know I have no security in the aragement other then keeping my clients satisfied month on month.
You may wish to contact many other companies with your concerns who run the same business model,
wix.com, weebly.com, yell.com and a host of other providers who also don't let you walk away with a free or even paid for designs in some cases, Yell springs to mind.
I sincerely wish you luck in finding what your looking for elsewhere and appreciate your concern for my clients, but since they are all happy and I don't offer what your looking for (movable CMS) and im not taking on anyone new right now anyway can we please drop it so I don't need to keep coming back here to defend my business to people who haven't used it and break the forum rules? (sorry admin)?
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I can honestly say that I have used Marcus's services for the last couple of years and I have no doubt that with out his help and guidance I would not be achieving the quality of work I now am, so I don't think he needs to justify himself! Keep up the great work Marcus ;)
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Marcus, I'm not sure if your reply was in answer to my post ?
If It was then you have put a lot of thought into justifying your position which to be honest was not needed as although my post might seem critical of the business concept of hosting fees and website 'rental' I have the upmost respect for this method of doing business.
To me it's the perfect scenario and if I was in your position I would do exactly the same, any bussiness that can be ran from a laptop while laying on a sun lounger on a beach is in my book perfect :D
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Marcus, I'm not sure if your reply was in answer to my post ?
If It was then you have put a lot of thought into justifying your position which to be honest was not needed as although my post might seem critical of the business concept of hosting fees and website 'rental' I have the upmost respect for this method of doing business.
To me it's the perfect scenario and if I was in your position I would do exactly the same, any bussiness that can be ran from a laptop while laying on a sun lounger on a beach is in my book perfect :D
Bang on Mike
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No Mike it was to Radek m8, thanks for your clarifying your post though!
Thanks for the support Steve, appreciated!
Hopefully we can drop it now and move on now :)
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Hi Marcus most of this thread to me is like another language . I have a website that badly needs updating it brings me no work whatsoever .just wondered if you could tell me why it stays top of the google listings ??? Cheers Del
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he is not here much
ask steve to give you his email etc