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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ian101 on February 19, 2015, 09:25:22 am
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Fell about 7 foot yesterday - luckily soft grass and knowing how to land from martial art training meant only sore knees and dented pride.
My own fault for not using proper professional equipment so dont need that pointing out to me :(
Ladder just collapsed on 1 side without warning and lost balance - was near top cleaning 1 tricky skylight ::)roll
Told myself these would be OK to use for odd gate / skylight .
Little giants now getting purchased as smashed these to bits this morning.
Thought I would post this as a warning to others who have or about to buy telescopic ladders ... DONT !!
Hole in grass about 2 inches deep where I landed - thankfully ground was muddy as was using them on concrete a few days earlier !
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1424337867_004 (2).jpg)
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What you were three rungs up ???
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I suppose whatever locks them in place - sprung loaded pin or whatever must wear out in the end?
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Ssshhhh Dave it's not funny mate, I had 2 high falls years ago when working for a national. About 18 ft onto tiled floor in stoke, and about 10 ft in little barr Birmingham. First one I had enough time to react and landed feet first, 10 ft fall was worst, my foot got caught in rung on ladder as it went an took me with it.
Avoid them ladders at all cost & glad u ok
I reckon u right there Dave but how do u no wen they are at that point
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What you were three rungs up ???
I was near top but the one that gave was lower down
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As soon as you feel the rungs are anything less than secure then it's time for some maintenance. They aren't buy and forget like a standard aluminium ladder, they have moving parts and by their very nature need to be inspected and the sections adjusted periodically. For the flexibility they provide they are extremely useful and very safe. I carry one behind the seat in my pick up and all occasional flat roof / gate access is now possible but for ANYTHING else I take my double twelve.
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I'm glad your OK Ian but I don't buy you only made a 2inch crater. You sure you haven't got your feet and inches confused ;-)
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Ian have you still got the bits left? I'd be interested to know how the locking mechanism works and what's to stop it wearing out. They could be lethal when they fail.
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I caught a bit of a tv program last night called 24 Hours in Accident and Emergency (I think). A Channel 4 program.
The doctor there was saying that it's rarely a day where she doesn't see a victim of a ladder accident.
She says it's all luck of the draw too. She's had people who've fallen 30 foot from a ladder and been okay, yet
remembers one bloke who fell from an attic ladder and really mangled himself.
And then we've idiots here claiming to be just as fast on ladders on some properties, as they would be with a WFP.
As a forum, we ought to make the routine use of ladders something akin to drink driving; socially unacceptable.
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I've never liked the look of those telescopic ladders.
Accident waiting to happen.
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I am old fashioned when it comes to using ladders. I know it is a pain having to use a roof rack, but IMO the standard double extension ladder is the safest. Any ladder you collapse so it will fit inside a van has more potential to fail, either because of user error in setting it up or component failure.
Why bother improving safety through use of wfp only to compromise it by using a collapsible ladder.
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I've had 2 sets go like this, luckily noticed before before going up them, they are ce marked etc.. But I feel that these cheapo versions from China are not really to standard, after taking the ladder inspection course I won't let the guys use them
Darran
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To right tosh
I've sadly in my younger years fell few times from top rungs of a double 12 foot fairly lucky just badly bruised and shaken pride
Worst injuries I've had are off the blooming 8' A frame only half way up as well
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Two inch hole in grass? If it was me I`d need a ladder to climb out
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I used a telecopic ladder a few times recently. I only did it because my van was in dock for ages and the rental van had no way to carry my
normal ladder (bars wouldn't come off other van).
Although I had no mishaps, I just did not feel comfortable using it. Really, I should have done reduced price cleans with
apologies for not being able to do the complete jobs.
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I caught a bit of a tv program last night called 24 Hours in Accident and Emergency (I think). A Channel 4 program.
The doctor there was saying that it's rarely a day where she doesn't see a victim of a ladder accident.
She says it's all luck of the draw too. She's had people who've fallen 30 foot from a ladder and been okay, yet
remembers one bloke who fell from an attic ladder and really mangled himself.
And then we've idiots here claiming to be just as fast on ladders on some properties, as they would be with a WFP.
As a forum, we ought to make the routine use of ladders something akin to drink driving; socially unacceptable.
ian101, no offence but by the look of them did you not think they where on the way out? scratched and dented up lol, i use them and buy a new pair every year on principle
tosh, shut up.
gonna outlaw anyone who uses a ladder?
you get worse and worse lol
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tosh, shut up.
gonna outlaw anyone who uses a ladder?
you get worse and worse lol
Of course not, but why don't you do yourself a favour and work a lot more safely? Why clean windows from ladders - which lets face it, is a lot slower and hard work - when you can just clean them quickly from the ground?
Earn more, work less, less risk; it's win win.
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why dont you do yourself a favour and clean more windows and talk less 5hit.
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why dont you do yourself a favour and clean more windows and talk less 5hit.
There's no need to be abusive, young man. Any more of that and you'll be on the naughty step. >:(
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why dont you do yourself a favour and clean more windows and talk less 5hit.
There's no need to be abusive, young man. Any more of that and you'll be on the naughty step. >:(
fair enough. when i first joined this forum i used to like you, u actually helped me out i dont know if you remember or not, probably 3years ago, nowdays u seem to hate anyone who isnt in the 100%wfp willywaving crew, just saying.
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What you were three rungs up ???
I was near top but the one that gave was lower down
You need to work off a few pounds Ian ;D ;D
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why dont you do yourself a favour and clean more windows and talk less 5hit.
There's no need to be abusive, young man. Any more of that and you'll be on the naughty step. >:(
fair enough. when i first joined this forum i used to like you, u actually helped me out i dont know if you remember or not, probably 3years ago, nowdays u seem to hate anyone who isnt in the 100%wfp willywaving crew, just saying.
I don't hate anyone, mate. And I don't think wfp is 'willy waving'; it can be done cheaply; I spent a few years working with a back pack and out of an estate myself.
If I'm to 'hate' anything, it's injuries or death sustained by guys just making a living for themselves. Falling from a ladder just seems a pointless way - cleaning a window - for someone to cripple themselves doing.
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Ian have you still got the bits left? I'd be interested to know how the locking mechanism works and what's to stop it wearing out. They could be lethal when they fail.
yup will dissect them over weekend and post up pictures
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I caught a bit of a tv program last night called 24 Hours in Accident and Emergency (I think). A Channel 4 program.
The doctor there was saying that it's rarely a day where she doesn't see a victim of a ladder accident.
She says it's all luck of the draw too. She's had people who've fallen 30 foot from a ladder and been okay, yet
remembers one bloke who fell from an attic ladder and really mangled himself.
And then we've idiots here claiming to be just as fast on ladders on some properties, as they would be with a WFP.
As a forum, we ought to make the routine use of ladders something akin to drink driving; socially unacceptable.
ian101, no offence but by the look of them did you not think they where on the way out? scratched and dented up lol, i use them and buy a new pair every year on principle
tosh, shut up.
gonna outlaw anyone who uses a ladder?
you get worse and worse lol
only had minimal use ... dented and scratched from living in the van ... everything felt ok when putting up and collapsing so had no reason to think they were faulty .
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I'm glad your OK Ian but I don't buy you only made a 2inch crater. You sure you haven't got your feet and inches confused ;-)
;D
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What you were three rungs up ???
I was near top but the one that gave was lower down
You need to work off a few pounds Ian ;D ;D
;D
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Two inch hole in grass? If it was me I`d need a ladder to climb out
;D
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To be honest Tosh I don't think you have been fair on Jakey, for one he didn't say he was as quick
cleaning windows using traditional methods as he would be using WFP.
He just stated that on some problem windows he would be quicker cleaning them using traditional methods than
faffing about trying to get them up to a reasonable standard using WFP.
I have quite a few properties where the sensible thing time wise would be to clean them using traditional methods as it takes forever to get then right with WFP.
I could also take you into an area tomorrow with about 400 newish properties and I guarantee you wouldn't get
one of these properties to a reasonable standard quicker than you could trad them.
There hasn't been a single WFP operator able to get a foot hold in this area for that reason, I had about 40 properties
in the same area which I eventually dumped because it just took to long.
You had to clean all the top floor openers and wait for the water that had gathered in the opener frame to stop dripping
onto the glass below then when this had happened clean the glass under the opener, then repeat the above on the
ground floor.
Even then I would check some of the worse offenders later in the day to still find run marks on the glass after all that faffing about.
WFP isn't the solution for everybody.
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Thank you for posting this Ian and glad you are ok.
I have a telescopic ladder myself and although mainly used for access I do occasionally clean the odd window from them. I'll heed the warning now ;)
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To be honest Tosh I don't think you have been fair on Jakey, for one he didn't say he was as quick
cleaning windows using traditional methods as he would be using WFP.
Too much bullpoop on here:
On standard windows, I find trad is faster, especially with this new squeegee I'm trialling from 'polz & bladz'. I find it's faster because you don't have to stand about rinsing, and scrubbing as much, with trad it's literally seconds on each window. Quick mop and then blade off, wipe sills, done.
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To be honest Tosh I don't think you have been fair on Jakey, for one he didn't say he was as quick
cleaning windows using traditional methods as he would be using WFP.
Too much bullpoop on here:
On standard windows, I find trad is faster, especially with this new squeegee I'm trialling from 'polz & bladz'. I find it's faster because you don't have to stand about rinsing, and scrubbing as much, with trad it's literally seconds on each window. Quick mop and then blade off, wipe sills, done.
I stand corrected, about 11 pages before I started reading the posts so didn't go back to the start.
Sorry Tosh.
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To be honest Tosh I don't think you have been fair on Jakey, for one he didn't say he was as quick
cleaning windows using traditional methods as he would be using WFP.
Too much bullpoop on here:
On standard windows, I find trad is faster, especially with this new squeegee I'm trialling from 'polz & bladz'. I find it's faster because you don't have to stand about rinsing, and scrubbing as much, with trad it's literally seconds on each window. Quick mop and then blade off, wipe sills, done.
I stand corrected, about 11 pages before I started reading the posts so didn't go back to the start.
Sorry Tosh.
No problems. :D
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I think the ladder guys are great, they do it with such a great skill. And often is the case its in the family, been handed down generation to generation. Its in the blood so to speak. They rub with rags and walk with a limp, true Pro's. But it doesn't matter what i think, its what customers think and pay for that counts. And i'm seeing loads of guys with wooden ladders, carts and scrims expanding everywhere. The guys investing in advertising, vans, latest WFP technology seem to be going to the wall. And of course if the going gets tough and you don't like it, you can easily employ young lads willing to go up ladders for you. Definatley cheaper than investing in all that latest technology, and leaves a better finish too i feel !! ;D
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As a forum, we ought to make the routine use of ladders something akin to drink driving; socially unacceptable.
an idiot speaks ^
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As a forum, we ought to make the routine use of ladders something akin to drink driving; socially unacceptable.
an idiot speaks ^
Stop projecting your stuff onto me.
Thank you.
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As a forum, we ought to make the routine use of ladders something akin to drink driving; socially unacceptable.
an idiot speaks ^
So speaks the bloke that goes out in fake glasses and tache. ;D
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Jeez whats happening to this forum ?
Ian puts up a very worthy post highlighting the possible dangers of using a telescopic ladder,
yet as usual turns in to a bickering match
you all carry on like a bunch of old poofs.
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Ssshhhh Dave it's not funny mate, I had 2 high falls years ago when working for a national. About 18 ft onto tiled floor in stoke, and about 10 ft in little barr Birmingham. First one I had enough time to react and landed feet first, 10 ft fall was worst, my foot got caught in rung on ladder as it went an took me with it.
Avoid them ladders at all cost & glad u ok
I reckon u right there Dave but how do u no wen they are at that point
cheers Matty ... yours sounds worse than mine !
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Thank you for posting this Ian and glad you are ok.
I have a telescopic ladder myself and although mainly used for access I do occasionally clean the odd window from them. I'll heed the warning now ;)
I told myself same odd access ... odd skylight ... ;D
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Jeez whats happening to this forum ?
Ian puts up a very worthy post highlighting the possible dangers of using a telescopic ladder,
yet as usual turns in to a bickering match
you all carry on like a bunch of old poofs.
;D
now locked as it has served its purpose ....