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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bobplum on February 18, 2015, 08:44:42 pm
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As the title says, it seems to have gone quite on this subject, still not decided whether to buy or not ???
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They offer a money back guarantee all bar postage. So you having nothing to lose apart from your eyesight i mean postage.
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Like already stated , we do offer a refund .
So far I think weve refunded just once and that was because they use Di after the tank.
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Bought some earlier so i will see what its like next week.
You can't judge a product without using it ;)
Paul
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Ohhhhhhhhh!!! THAT Vision!
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Like already stated , we do offer a refund .
So far I think weve refunded just once and that was because they use Di after the tank.
which i am very much on solving this and i think that the solution is around two or three months away-still testing
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Just finished our first bottle, the guys like it, no complaints, plecibo or not the work rate has also increased ;D
Buying more :-\
Trying gg4 on the strength of dave Willis :o
Darran
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still using GG4 no problems, 2ml for every 100l Let us know how you get on either way.
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still using GG4 no problems, 2ml for every 100l Let us know how you get on either way.
I have some gg4 on order. Will try it out in a 25l trolley barrel on my own house first.
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To early to tell for me but I will say that some windows I usually get spotting with haven't been a problem since using vision and I'm sure the glass looks cleaner..but it might just be me thinking it ;D
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it does make the windows shine, i also love it for Trad work i mix 10ml in 240 ml ecover washing up liquid then i put in 250ml liquid sop dispenser put about 10-13 pumps in 8l to 10l pure in bucket.
Only problem i have is the gas water heater is temperamental with vision in water don't no wether coincidence.
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Why would you trad clean with it at £60 a litre ???
You can buy ecover for £2.50 a litre. Nuts
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Dave 10 ml in 240 ml it last at least a month it only costs pence per bucket ???
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Love the shine. Not so good on rinsing. Looks like ill be using it for quite some time to come. Hot days may be different
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8 weeks of use and can defo tell the difference nice shine to plastics and my work rate is up .
I only add one push of the plunger to 400ltrs of water daily hardly any bubbles at least not to hinder rinsing and still get a good glide across makes leaded windows easier to clean
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Nice one .
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still using GG4 no problems, 2ml for every 100l Let us know how you get on either way.
Hi Dave, I'd be very interested in finding out how you get on using GG4. I presume you explained in a previous thread the benefits of using it in your pure water. I had a quick look back but couldn't find anything, do you have a link to a relevant thread?
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Oh gosh, there was loads, here's one http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192726.0
this was the first one http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192411.0
I don't have any conclusive proof it's any better than pure water alone, it just seems better to me, doesn't spot and haven't yet found any negatives at all. Seems to thin the water down and break the surface tension.Certainly leaves the glass with a shine.
ps. I'm not competing against Vision at all - there's nothing in it for me. Just had some GG4 already and thought I'd experiment a bit.
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Fancy trialing Stardrops Dave I have only added some when tradding Windows at home and when doing the washing up and the glass really does sparkle .
Not willing to Chuck any in my tank though and don't have any 5 gallon containers to to test it out .
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;D I did think about it. I think there's loads of products that would have similar properties.
I chose GG4 because it was designed for cleaning windows and the manufacturers were contactable by email - they say it can be used for wfp. They also claim it has an ingredient that eliminates calcium spotting
If it all went tits up I could discuss it with them and find out why, or simply stop using it and keep it for trad.
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Vision? What is it please?
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Vision? What is it please?
It's when you keep your eyes open ;D
Dave, really appreciate your efforts with the gg4, it's not that I'm tight, or wouldn't use vision again but Titan labs have a very good reputation - I'm surprised they themselves haven't promoted this
Darran
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Nano tech its what Rhino uses on his jobs. Simples.
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Hopefully trailing a product next week.
Ticks all the boxes on what vision does. Even smells the same lol
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I found something that clouds the water on mixing then clears too. Very familiar substance ;D
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You have emails Dave ;)
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Hopefully trailing a product next week.
Ticks all the boxes on what vision does. Even smells the same lol
Oh please tell us what it is number 23. I'm dieing to know what you are trialling.
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Hopefully trailing a product next week.
Ticks all the boxes on what vision does. Even smells the same lol
Oh please tell us what it is number 23. I'm dieing to know what you are trialling.
What are ruin my chances of blackmail. Never Mohahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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I think we have a new catch line for vision......
Often imitated.....never replicated. ;D
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It's in my nature to investigate lol.
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Oh gosh, there was loads, here's one http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192726.0
this was the first one http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192411.0
I don't have any conclusive proof it's any better than pure water alone, it just seems better to me, doesn't spot and haven't yet found any negatives at all. Seems to thin the water down and break the surface tension.Certainly leaves the glass with a shine.
ps. I'm not competing against Vision at all - there's nothing in it for me. Just had some GG4 already and thought I'd experiment a bit.
Thanks for the info Dave
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It's in my nature to investigate lol.
It's a good way to be damo.
That's how vision started a few years ago.
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;D I did think about it. I think there's loads of products that would have similar properties.
I chose GG4 because it was designed for cleaning windows and the manufacturers were contactable by email - they say it can be used for wfp. They also claim it has an ingredient that eliminates calcium spotting
If it all went tits up I could discuss it with them and find out why, or simply stop using it and keep it for trad.
Fair point ;) , I might give it a go later this year just out of pure curiousity
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I played around with rinse aid last night. The theory would be perfect for our needs - breaks surface tension, encourages sheeting, makes water dry faster. All good stuff. It doesn't however have any cleaning power at all and doesn't apppear to break down grease and doesn't mix that well with water - sort of hangs about in a cloud.
Now, rinse aid mixed with Ecover could be on the cards. If I could be bothered. ;D
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Oh I'm sure you can be bothered , You have'nt got anything better to do have you :P ;D
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Off for a bike ride in half hour ;)
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aaaaahhhh good old ecover ;D,it kinda works but has a total tds of over 8000ppm neat is full of products to keep the ph in a safe range and to perserve its shelf life,jim thompson found this over four years ago but was dropped from use shortly afterwards as results are hit n miss,some still swear by it though
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I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!! ;)
One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!
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8000 ppm? Surely that depends on the dilution rate.
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I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!! ;)
One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!
It does! But it's fun experimenting a bit too as long as it's cheap. ;D
At the end of the day if you hit the road without your preferred additive - it won't make much difference I'm sure.
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I havent tried it yet I don't think I bother if it takes a lot of rinsing whats the point if your on a water meter your bill is gonner increas to me that's counter productive .it dosent mater how shiney the windows are. you may get satisfaction ,soon as the summer brigade come out under cutting your out.my motto is keep it simple as possible why all the expence with all the unnessasory expence custys are fickle imo .if they get a better price that's it .
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I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!! ;)
One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!
Some windows spot with wfp and that's all there is to it
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1 push of the plunger to a 400ltr tank is a that is needed the less you dose vision to pure the less you rinse or you rinse as normal without issue , :P
I will be more than happy to continue using vision for the foreseeable future ;)
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How do you know when you get to the point where you have so little Vision thst it's not actually doing anything?
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I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!! ;)
One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!
Some windows spot with wfp and that's all there is to it
Yes, and when you understand the reasons for this you'll also realise that no additive diluted to such a miniscule ratio is going to change that. Spotting is caused by water contamination via external factors & no amount of vision is going to change that.
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Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.
This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.
On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.
I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.
Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.
I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it? ::)roll
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Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.
This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.
On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.
I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.
Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.
I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it? ::)roll
No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.
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Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.
This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.
On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.
I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.
Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.
I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it? ::)roll
No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.
Cure the seal problem? The seals have shrunk and are lose so water gets in behind as they don't hug the glass. Like I said. Try not cleaning that part of the glass 50ft plus up. Maybe I should rinse off the glass.
By cure you mean a 50ft ladder or use some TFR and scrub like mad? Diluted virosol can stop seal bleed as well black marks remover for use on boats.
I started window cleaning in 1999 so let me know if you want any help.
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Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.
This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.
On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.
I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.
Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.
I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it? ::)roll
No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.
Cure the seal problem? The seals have shrunk and are lose so water gets in behind as they don't hug the glass. Like I said. Try not cleaning that part of the glass 50ft plus up. Maybe I should rinse off the glass.
By cure you mean a 50ft ladder or use some TFR and scrub like mad? Diluted virosol can stop seal bleed as well black marks remover for use on boats.
I started window cleaning in 1999 so let me know if you want any help.
My point proven to perfection!! ;D
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Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.
This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.
On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.
I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.
Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.
I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it? ::)roll
No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.
Cure the seal problem? The seals have shrunk and are lose so water gets in behind as they don't hug the glass. Like I said. Try not cleaning that part of the glass 50ft plus up. Maybe I should rinse off the glass.
By cure you mean a 50ft ladder or use some TFR and scrub like mad? Diluted virosol can stop seal bleed as well black marks remover for use on boats.
I started window cleaning in 1999 so let me know if you want any help.
My point proven to perfection!! ;D
Glad I could help ;)
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It gives a good shine. 1 squirt in my 250 tank. Enough reason for me. 1 customer who changed from traditional to me. After adding Vision his wife asked what I put in my water to make the glass shine so much. It made me smile
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It gives a good shine. 1 squirt in my 250 tank. Enough reason for me. 1 customer who changed from traditional to me. After adding Vision his wife asked what I put in my water to make the glass shine so much. It made me smile
I've had that same comment many times over the years without Vision. ;D
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me too loads of times!
I did have one woman though "that stuff you use in that water has stuck all my windows shut and stained my patio!"
The patio stain was her overflow dripping - god knows what was going on with her windows. Dumped her pretty quick after that.
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me too loads of times!
I did have one woman though "that stuff you use in that water has stuck all my windows shut and stained my patio!"
The patio stain was her overflow dripping - god knows what was going on with her windows. Dumped her pretty quick after that.
I would have dumped her there and then. Some very odd public
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me too loads of times!
I did have one woman though "that stuff you use in that water has stuck all my windows shut and stained my patio!"
The patio stain was her overflow dripping - god knows what was going on with her windows. Dumped her pretty quick after that.
I had a customer blame me for a run/limescale down one window, said its always there after ive been, i went up and had a look and before even got close to window i said, thats an overflow leaking..."no it isnt!" he replied. I looked out of window and under gutter there was a overflow...dripping ;D Was one of my favourite moments in window cleaning.
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from my experience of using vision(7 weeks now).4 ml per 500L of pure is best for me.it leaves a better shine for sure and reduces runs from perished top rubber seals.
the rinsing sometimes can be a tad slower but i find its usually the windows that take a lot of rinsing anyway just using pure.
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Here is the answer, stop guessing it just this stuff
.http://www.newguardcoatings.com/uk/product/nano-technology/guardnanotech-glass
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Doubt it - that works the opposite way most of us like to work.
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Here is the answer, stop guessing it just this stuff
.http://www.newguardcoatings.com/uk/product/nano-technology/guardnanotech-glass
yes vision works the opposite way to new gaurds product,but thanks for that slap dash,i clean there windows so may have a chat about it sometime ;) ;) ;) ;),although they just buy it all in-its of no real use to me or anyone else in fact
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Well we're starting to get re-orders now , which shows the initial buyers are pleased with the Vision product . Which is great news and thanks to persons liking the product.
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In which way does it work the opposite to vision please do explane as you are the Vision expert. I don`t quite understand what you mean.
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In which way does it work the opposite to vision please do explane as you are the Vision expert. I don`t quite understand what you mean.
The product you seemed to think vision was is a nanotechnology coating, (similar to others) and once it's applied it makes glass hydrophobic and water hating.
Vision has the opposite effect. Over time many hydrophobic windows become more hydrophilic, and this can make the final rinse easier.
Don't quote me on this but I also think that nano coatings dont give any extra cleaning power, they just leave a decent shine and make things water repellant, by leaving a coating behind.
I've tried them in the past but didn't like them atall for the window cleaning purpose to be honest.
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We are now selling with improved screw cap lids and 2.5ml / 5ml medical spoons for your dosing needs . Improvement on the Plunger type .
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We are now selling with improved screw cap lids and 2.5ml / 5ml medical spoons for your dosing needs . Improvement on the Plunger type .
What are you gonna do with all the calpol that's left over?
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Yeah ... Lol ....
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We are now selling with improved screw cap lids and 2.5ml / 5ml medical spoons for your dosing needs . Improvement on the Plunger type .
What are you gonna do with all the calpol that's left over?
Used to love calpol.
Had to be the purple though.