Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jakey boy on February 18, 2015, 07:47:16 pm
-
Hi guys,
Just have a few questions that you guys with expierence will be able to answer!
1. Is 3000psi at 12lpm enough for patios and driveways? (I'll only be doing around 2-4 jobs a month as its an add on service)
2. Are the Loncin engine(s) reliable?
3. Is jetmac a good place to buy from? His prices seem by far the cheapest?
4. Do I need any detergents for patios etc? If so what do you guys recommend as 'must have' detergents etc, or a general cleaning detergent that you always carry with you?
5. Do I really need a 'whirlaway' type accessory? Or will a turbo nozzle be sufficient for the amount of work I'll be doing?
Any info and advice is much appreciated, I won't be doing many jobs per month, so budget is rather limited. Main income is window cleaning, however would like to be able to take on a bit more pressure washing work without having to suffer the crap electric one I have!
I will mainly be doing customers patios and driveways, so do you think the 7hp Loncin 3000psi at 12lpm will be a good choice? I'm not looking to be super fast as this is an extra service. How ever I don't want to come unstuck and not be able to clean certain stains etc...
The next level would be the 14 hp Loncin 4000psi 15lpm, but the price is a lot more, and will I really need that extra power and flow?
Many thanks guys!
-
You could probably get away with using a 12 lpm machine and turbo nozzle but it won't run a whirlaway properly, get yourself a used Honda 15 lpm.
-
You could probably get away with using a 12 lpm machine and turbo nozzle but it won't run a whirlaway properly, get yourself a used Honda 15 lpm.
Ok, I'll have a look about, would you mind answering the other questions as well ;D
-
Bloody hell you don't want much do ya
1) Just
2) don't know
3) doesn't have the best reputation
4) hypo
5) does come in handy, but I don't use mine on every job
As well as the machine you will also need a buffer tank, shovel, brushes, watering can/sprayer, spare high pressure hose, variable nozzle, turbo nozzle, waterproofs/wellies, goggles etc
-
Bloody hell you don't want much do ya
1) Just
2) don't know
3) doesn't have the best reputation
4) hypo
5) does come in handy, but I don't use mine on every job
As well as the machine you will also need a buffer tank, shovel, brushes, watering can/sprayer, spare high pressure hose, variable nozzle, turbo nozzle, waterproofs/wellies, goggles etc
Ok, watering can for what?
Cheers for info
-
Opinions on this one?
http://www.jetmac.co.uk/shop/7-horse-power-loncin-ar-triplex-pump-3000-psi-12-litres-per-minute/
-
Bloody hell you don't want much do ya
1) Just
2) don't know
3) doesn't have the best reputation
4) hypo
5) does come in handy, but I don't use mine on every job
As well as the machine you will also need a buffer tank, shovel, brushes, watering can/sprayer, spare high pressure hose, variable nozzle, turbo nozzle, waterproofs/wellies, goggles etc
Ok, watering can for what?
Cheers for info
For applying chems
-
Bloody hell you don't want much do ya
1) Just
2) don't know
3) doesn't have the best reputation
4) hypo
5) does come in handy, but I don't use mine on every job
As well as the machine you will also need a buffer tank, shovel, brushes, watering can/sprayer, spare high pressure hose, variable nozzle, turbo nozzle, waterproofs/wellies, goggles etc
Ok, watering can for what?
Cheers for info
For applying chems
So will 3000psi 12lpm be ok for the odd job? Will it get the job done?
-
Yeah should be ok with a bit of chemical assistance :)
-
Yeah should be ok with a bit of chemical assistance :)
Cool, so what's the best procedure? Water can with chemical poured over patio/driveway then just pressure wash off?
What do you do after he job is done? Sweep it over
Also what is 'hypo' ?
-
Don't give all our secrets away Rob lol
-
Is this any good to you Jakey boy
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261783120345&globalID=EBAY-GB
-
Is this any good to you Jakey boy
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261783120345&globalID=EBAY-GB
Looks good but In only after the pressure washer itself... Looking to spend less than £500 as it really is only an add on to my window cleaning
Thanks for posting it though !
-
Hi look in classifieds this would be ideal
John
-
Hi look in classifieds this would be ideal
John
What page is it on? Can't find it!?
Do you mean the for sale section on clean it up?
-
How would you rate your window cleaning service. Average, good, more than average, excellent, the best?
Rob ;D
-
How would you rate your window cleaning service. Average, good, more than average, excellent, the best?
Rob ;D
It's certainly the best ;D only have to read the reviews we get to work that out!
Pressure washing is just an add on. Not trying to be the best in the country, but we will do the best we can, we only get 1-2 jobs a month, so I don't want to spend a fortune on one.
-
You don't need to be spending a fortune on the kit for the works or have national coverage but if you start from the perspective that it is just an add on that doesn't require the same effort because the work comes in as one or two enquiries per month then it will only ever be an 'add on'.
Take the advice on here and go for a 15 LPM machine, you will need chemical assistance on some projects but it shouldn't leave you wishing you had got a slightly larger machine.
All the best
Rob ;D
-
You don't need to be spending a fortune on the kit for the works or have national coverage but if you start from the perspective that it is just an add on that doesn't require the same effort because the work comes in as one or two enquiries per month then it will only ever be an 'add on'.
Take the advice on here and go for a 15 LPM machine, you will need chemical assistance on some projects but it shouldn't leave you wishing you had got a slightly larger machine.
All the best
Rob ;D
All I want to know is, is the 12 lpm 3000psi enough to clean driveways and patios, if it is, then I don't see why I'd need 15 lpm...
-
If I felt it was good enough I would have said so ;)
Rob ;D
-
If I felt it was good enough I would have said so ;)
Rob ;D
So why isn't it good enough? Will it not do the job? We use crappy electric ones and they do the job (yes they take ages), so surely a 3000psi petrol jet washer will be 100 times better?
I can get a 300psi 12lpm for £440
Cheapest 4000 psi with 15lpm is 800, so is it really worth it for the extra 3 lpm? 3000psi is surly powerful enough?
-
You've got it all sorted there.
I'm looking for an antique coffee machine so I will have to let someone else carry this on.
Rob ;D
-
I can't really comment on what to go for, however M-Clean is clearly a professional and would probably use professional equipment at the better/top end of the market for quality and performance.
Switch roles and and if M-clean was asking you for WFP advice and he says I have found a pole and brush for £30 will it do?
My advice would don't just buy cheap, Spend a bit more and buy a quality workhorse. It will hold its value better than something noone has heard of, especially if hardly used and good condition, so if it doesn't take off you can easily sell it. If it does take off and you get more work you won't be looking to upgrade as quickly. ultimately buy the best you can afford.
-
If I felt it was good enough I would have said so ;)
Rob ;D
So why isn't it good enough? Will it not do the job? We use crappy electric ones and they do the job (yes they take ages), so surely a 3000psi petrol jet washer will be 100 times better?
I can get a 300psi 12lpm for £440
Cheapest 4000 psi with 15lpm is 800, so is it really worth it for the extra 3 lpm? 3000psi is surly powerful enough?
As soon as you mention 'add-on' the eyes start to roll.
Not because you are a windy looking to branch out , fair play . Simply as 9/10 times the new service you are offering is regarded by the owner as an 'add on'.
In my mind it has to be treated in the same respect as your core business , ie Do your research, buy industrial grade kit capable of tackling the job at hand (15lpm would be regarded as min), market yourself as a pro providing this service which is what custys would expect, wouldn't you ?
Turing up with the cheapest kit from Netto or poundland, hardly conveys this image ;)
-
If I felt it was good enough I would have said so ;)
Rob ;D
So why isn't it good enough? Will it not do the job? We use crappy electric ones and they do the job (yes they take ages), so surely a 3000psi petrol jet washer will be 100 times better?
I can get a 300psi 12lpm for £440
Cheapest 4000 psi with 15lpm is 800, so is it really worth it for the extra 3 lpm? 3000psi is surly powerful enough?
As soon as you mention 'add-on' the eyes start to roll.
Not because you are a windy looking to branch out , fair play . Simply as 9/10 times the new service you are offering is regarded by the owner as an 'add on'.
In my mind it has to be treated in the same respect as your core business , ie Do your research, buy industrial grade kit capable of tackling the job at hand (15lpm would be regarded as min), market yourself as a pro providing this service which is what custys would expect, wouldn't you ?
Turing up with the cheapest kit from Netto or poundland, hardly conveys this image ;)
Here's the thing, the pressure washer isn't a crappy one it's still a very good machine, it's from jetmac, has all the professional gubbins etc, brass pump, stainless steel couplings, Loncin engine 2 year guarantee etc,
It's not a cheap bit of kit, but I'm not looking to spend 1000's on something that may not get used much!
If someone was adding on window cleaning, then I would never tell them to buy the best gear, as they'd not reap the benefits, it makes more financial sense to purchase a solid peive of equipment that won't break the bank. I've not got 1000's to spend, I simply can't afford it,
I rung terry at jetmac and he said the 3000psi 12lpm would be ample to do the job, he said the o my major difference would be the 4000psi 15lpm would be faster and would run a whirlaway better.
So surely the point is that the 3000psi 12lpm will do the job very well, just maybe not as fast as a larger machine?
As I said this is for the odd job, customers choose us bevause we are cheaper than 'professional pressure washer company's' and just because we're there doing there windows once a month anyway, plus they know us well, trust is etc etc
I will perhaps try out the two and see what makes more sense. But I don't see why buying a ferrari when I'm only going to the shops once a month is necessary...
I just wanted to know if the 12lpm would do the job, if it does, then I'm sure that will be more than sufficient for us.
We've been using crap electric ones, and they do the job, so I can't believe a 3000psi 12lpm won't be 100 times better?
-
If I felt it was good enough I would have said so ;)
Rob ;D
So why isn't it good enough? Will it not do the job? We use crappy electric ones and they do the job (yes they take ages), so surely a 3000psi petrol jet washer will be 100 times better?
I can get a 300psi 12lpm for £440
Cheapest 4000 psi with 15lpm is 800, so is it really worth it for the extra 3 lpm? 3000psi is surly powerful enough?
As soon as you mention 'add-on' the eyes start to roll.
Not because you are a windy looking to branch out , fair play . Simply as 9/10 times the new service you are offering is regarded by the owner as an 'add on'.
In my mind it has to be treated in the same respect as your core business , ie Do your research, buy industrial grade kit capable of tackling the job at hand (15lpm would be regarded as min), market yourself as a pro providing this service which is what custys would expect, wouldn't you ?
Turing up with the cheapest kit from Netto or poundland, hardly conveys this image ;)
customers choose us bevause we are cheaper than 'professional pressure washer company's' and just because we're there doing there windows once a month anyway, plus they know us well, trust is etc etc
If that's your attitude I suggest you go back to the windy washers side ::)roll and stick with your electric washers ;D
-
Jealous ay'
Upset cos we get pressure washing work? Can't help that, if a customer asks, we do our best. Never have we had a un-satisfied customer from pressure washing, we would be fools to turn down the work and tell the customer to get a 'professional pressure washer company' in who would charge more etc.
Plus what 'attitude' are you referring too? Because it's certainly not a negative one?!
many window cleaners do pressure washing as well, just like we do gutters etc, it's normal! All I'm doing is looking Into upgrading our equipment.
-
Can't work out why a lot of people are getting ped off on this forum???? This post is a classic p all the big boys off post. There's going to become a time when this forum is gonna be boycotted by people who actually offer sound advise because of bolshy cock sure people like yourself. I recommend you get the Jetmac system or a kiam to which you will be perfectly matched in performance and quality.
-
Can't work out why a lot of people are getting ped off on this forum???? This post is a classic p all the big boys off post. There's going to become a time when this forum is gonna be boycotted by people who actually offer sound advise because of bolshy cock sure people like yourself. I recommend you get the Jetmac system or a kiam to which you will be perfectly matched in performance and quality.
Ay?
I'll just buy one and work it out Myself, as far as I'm concerned I just wanted to knkw if 12lpm at 3000psi is adequate for the job, and I got a load of rubbish answers half the time!
There's a thread in this section 'it's a bit boring on here' - the bloke is spot on, it's a rubbish section of clean it up. We're not like this on the window cleaning section, we have banter, but we ways help out people who ask legitamte questions.
-
So if I went on the window cleaning side of this forum asking for advise on offering window cleaning as a bolt on to my pressure washing business do you think anybody would actually help???? I Think not!!! Iv tried this in the past and you lot only look after your own interests. You have been offered sound advise or as you call it rubbish but all you done was through it back in the face of an extremely knowledgeble person in this sector. I suggest you just work it out for yourself then. Iv herd argos got a good sale on!
-
Jealous ay'
Upset cos we get pressure washing work? Can't help that, if a customer asks, we do our best. Never have we had a un-satisfied customer from pressure washing, we would be fools to turn down the work and tell the customer to get a 'professional pressure washer company' in who would charge more etc.
Plus what 'attitude' are you referring too? Because it's certainly not a negative one?!
many window cleaners do pressure washing as well, just like we do gutters etc, it's normal! All I'm doing is looking Into upgrading our equipment.
yep I am upset ;D
The attitude I referred to was in reference to YOUR statement 'customers choose us as we are cheaper than Professional pressure washing companies ', yet your on here after advice from professional pressure washing companies ... HELLO ::)roll
Then with the advice you will potentially undercut other pressure washing companies !
Now if you didn't say that and actually said you was looking to provide a quality service to compete with other professionals you may of got some respect and far more help ;)
-
Jealous ay'
Upset cos we get pressure washing work? Can't help that, if a customer asks, we do our best. Never have we had a un-satisfied customer from pressure washing, we would be fools to turn down the work and tell the customer to get a 'professional pressure washer company' in who would charge more etc.
Plus what 'attitude' are you referring too? Because it's certainly not a negative one?!
many window cleaners do pressure washing as well, just like we do gutters etc, it's normal! All I'm doing is looking Into upgrading our equipment.
yep I am upset ;D
The attitude I referred to was in reference to YOUR statement 'customers choose us as we are cheaper than Professional pressure washing companies ', yet your on here after advice from professional pressure washing companies ... HELLO ::)roll
Then with the advice you will potentially undercut other pressure washing companies !
Now if you didn't say that and actually said you was looking to provide a quality service to compete with other professionals you may of got some respect and far more help ;)
No because the fact is window cleaners will always always be asked first to do jobs like pressure washing and gutter cleaning. It's just how it is. We would be absoltuly stupid to say no. The fact that we're cheaper is just a consequence to is doing it as an add on. Go ahead and do winow cleaning as an add on, won't bother us,it's part of life.
You do not need a £2000 machine to clean a patio. Is this not just a fact?
All I got from you lot was you need at least 15-21lpm - but clearly you don't. I will get the 7hp 12lpm and then report back how well it works in the summer. If it doesn't work then my mistake. But I know for sure it will as we already get good results with a 2000 psi electric model.
If any of you pressure washers wanted window cleaning advice id happily and gladly help.
Remember we can't help it customers would prefer to use there trusted window cleaner over a pressure washing company can we? It's always been that way.
If we were no good we'd never get the jobs. But we do.
We do not undercut, we simply get asked to do the job So provide a quote!!
As I said it is an add on, we don't go round leafleting it as a sole service.
-
Jakey stop acting the big I am. Look I have the same jet
Mac machine and yes it does clean but believe me I wish I had bought a more
Powerful one as on some jobs it ain't great and it won't run a fsc. Stop thinking you no it all as you bloody don't. You do the same on window cleaning site. You realy don't have a clue mate. I have been in the cleaning industry since 14 years old and still get advice from here, and I garentee I would run rings round you cleaning wise. Get a grip and listen for once.
-
Jakey stop acting the big I am. Look I have the same jet
Mac machine and yes it does clean but believe me I wish I had bought a more
Powerful one as on some jobs it ain't great and it won't run a fsc. Stop thinking you no it all as you bloody don't. You do the same on window cleaning site. You realy don't have a clue mate. I have been in the cleaning industry since 14 years old and still get advice from here, and I garentee I would run rings round you cleaning wise. Get a grip and listen for once.
Ha ha shut your gob,
Every single person on this forum is highly opinionated, you included. The original post is not at all suggesting I know it all is it? Hence asking for advice? You plonker!
For you to guarantee that you'd 'run rings round me' and my work mates, would mean you would had to have seen our work or watched our work. You haven't, so shut up and keep out of it!
And learn how to spell. Div.
-
Lol you are a idiot arnt you an yeah I bet a whole months work I would run rings round you. And yes you did ask for advice but when people have you it you ignored them and got on you old horse.
-
Did you ever try BE pressure? Not sure what they are like, however the 15%off code still works.
-
Lol you are a idiot arnt you an yeah I bet a whole months work I would run rings round you. And yes you did ask for advice but when people have you it you ignored them and got on you old horse.
Whatever Mate, you sound so jealous, not once have been acting jealous or pathetic like you. Get on with your work and keep out of it.
-
This is ridiculous you obviously didn't want advice as when any body told you buy a 15 lpm. You just went on about the 12 lpm if you knew what you wanted why ask ? ? You were never going to take advice unless it was yeah buy the 12lpm then you would have been happy . If you ask for advice take it or don't ask
-
12 LPM will be fine for small jobs. You aint gonna be cleaning supermarket car parks and shopping malls with it and it may not operate a whirlaway effectivley. But it will do small patio areas and drives fine. Just enough to secure you a different job to do other than the monotony of cleaning windows (or jet washing )all day.
I find Blastaways (Lee?) from Manchester has the best instructional videos and Chris Scott gives the best technical advice. Pay attention to their posts, amongst a few others !!! ;D
Oh, and read the back posts in here ;D
-
Another clueless window cleaner asking if buying a cheap poop machine from jetmac is enough to call himself a pressure washing service. Doesn't even know what hypo is despite the 1000s of posts on the internet about it.
Tell you what mate, Ill buy a crappy rag and start cleaning windows really bad without any knowledge and I'll ask all the big window cleaning firms for loads of free advice but then get cocky when they reply.
This is what f***s me off about this group and other groups on facebook, and its the reason I dont come on here anymore. Window cleaners that dont know the difference between hypo and their elbow.
I certainly wont be helping out any of you thats for sure.
-
Another clueless window cleaner asking if buying a cheap poop machine from jetmac is enough to call himself a pressure washing service. Doesn't even know what hypo is despite the 1000s of posts on the internet about it.
Tell you what mate, Ill buy a crappy rag and start cleaning windows really bad without any knowledge and I'll ask all the big window cleaning firms for loads of free advice but then get cocky when they reply.
This is what f***s me off about this group and other groups on facebook, and its the reason I dont come on here anymore. Window cleaners that dont know the difference between hypo and their elbow.
I certainly wont be helping out any of you thats for sure.
For goodness sake shut up!
I've cleaned loads and loads of driveways and patios, never ever had a problem, just looking to get a more practical machine to do the job a bit faster etc, never had a reason to know what 'hypo' Is, as water is fine on its own for what we do!
How do you expect people to know things that they've never learnt? It's impossible! You imbesile.
-
Another clueless window cleaner asking if buying a cheap poop machine from jetmac is enough to call himself a pressure washing service. Doesn't even know what hypo is despite the 1000s of posts on the internet about it.
Tell you what mate, Ill buy a crappy rag and start cleaning windows really bad without any knowledge and I'll ask all the big window cleaning firms for loads of free advice but then get cocky when they reply.
This is what f***s me off about this group and other groups on facebook, and its the reason I dont come on here anymore. Window cleaners that dont know the difference between hypo and their elbow.
I certainly wont be helping out any of you thats for sure.
For goodness sake shut up!
I've cleaned loads and loads of driveways and patios, never ever had a problem, just looking to get a more practical machine to do the job a bit faster etc, never had a reason to know what 'hypo' Is, as water is fine on its own for what we do!
How do you expect people to know things that they've never learnt? It's impossible! You imbesile.
"Imbecile" is actually the word you are looking for.
-
Chris , Don't know about you but i feel "Hypotension" in this thread ;D
Ed
-
So am I right in thinking that where Iv been going wrong all this time is I need water in my pressure washer ??? now I know why my works no good. ;D
-
Another clueless window cleaner asking if buying a cheap poop machine from jetmac is enough to call himself a pressure washing service. Doesn't even know what hypo is despite the 1000s of posts on the internet about it.
Tell you what mate, Ill buy a crappy rag and start cleaning windows really bad without any knowledge and I'll ask all the big window cleaning firms for loads of free advice but then get cocky when they reply.
This is what f***s me off about this group and other groups on facebook, and its the reason I dont come on here anymore. Window cleaners that dont know the difference between hypo and their elbow.
I certainly wont be helping out any of you thats for sure.
Just out of interest, and seeing as you appear to know so much information you're infact going to purposley hold it back, why do you come here ?
-
So if I went on the window cleaning side of this forum asking for advise on offering window cleaning as a bolt on to my pressure washing business do you think anybody would actually help???? I Think not!!! Iv tried this in the past and you lot only look after your own interests.
Yep they would and do !! They show you how to make controllers, how to sort your RO out, what booster pump you need, whats a good pole etc... But you already knew that? Window cleaning is technical. Pressure washing is for monkees. There's only so many variables once you progress to machines which deliver higher that 13LPM . And that sums it up. Most of you are clueless anyway and even put them in a shop to have them serviced. Thats the extent of a lot of the technical knowledge here. You only know what machine to buy, and employ someone thick enough to stand on the end of a lance all day ;D
-
So if I went on the window cleaning side of this forum asking for advise on offering window cleaning as a bolt on to my pressure washing business do you think anybody would actually help???? I Think not!!! Iv tried this in the past and you lot only look after your own interests.
Yep they would and do !! They show you how to make controllers, how to sort your RO out, what booster pump you need, whats a good pole etc... But you already knew that? Window cleaning is technical. Pressure washing is for monkees. There's only so many variables once you progress to machines which deliver higher that 13LPM . And that sums it up. Most of you are clueless anyway and even put them in a shop to have them serviced. Thats the extent of a lot of the technical knowledge here. You only know what machine to buy, and employ someone thick enough to stand on the end of a lance all day ;D
Good one if window cleaning is technical and pressure washing is for monkeys why do monkeys keep coming on here asking how do you pressure wash and what is hippo.
-
So if I went on the window cleaning side of this forum asking for advise on offering window cleaning as a bolt on to my pressure washing business do you think anybody would actually help???? I Think not!!! Iv tried this in the past and you lot only look after your own interests.
Yep they would and do !! They show you how to make controllers, how to sort your RO out, what booster pump you need, whats a good pole etc... But you already knew that? Window cleaning is technical. Pressure washing is for monkees. There's only so many variables once you progress to machines which deliver higher that 13LPM . And that sums it up. Most of you are clueless anyway and even put them in a shop to have them serviced. Thats the extent of a lot of the technical knowledge here. You only know what machine to buy, and employ someone thick enough to stand on the end of a lance all day ;D
Post of the year so far..
-
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g418/gib123/Mobile%20Uploads/download_zpsgvczzgzw.png)
-
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g418/gib123/Mobile%20Uploads/download_zpsgvczzgzw.png)
And people say we monkey around.
But we're too busy washing
To put anybody down.
-
All glass is the same and so is purified water , it's either pure or it is not. How the f**k is that technical? You scrub and squirt the same surfaces all day long yet you think its a really technical job. Get over yourself you complete and utter twat! You people really have not got a clue about anything really and you can all go round with your Aldi pressure washers damaging people's paving and pointing because you don't know one end of a jetwash lance to the other or anything to do with flow, correct chemicals or surfaces.
-
So if I went on the window cleaning side of this forum asking for advise on offering window cleaning as a bolt on to my pressure washing business do you think anybody would actually help???? I Think not!!! Iv tried this in the past and you lot only look after your own interests.
Yep they would and do !! They show you how to make controllers, how to sort your RO out, what booster pump you need, whats a good pole etc... But you already knew that? Window cleaning is technical. Pressure washing is for monkees. There's only so many variables once you progress to machines which deliver higher that 13LPM . And that sums it up. Most of you are clueless anyway and even put them in a shop to have them serviced. Thats the extent of a lot of the technical knowledge here. You only know what machine to buy, and employ someone thick enough to stand on the end of a lance all day ;D
this is coming from a business that offers professional carpet cleaning! WITH A RUG DOCTOR MACHINE !!! Quality just Quality.
-
So if I went on the window cleaning side of this forum asking for advise on offering window cleaning as a bolt on to my pressure washing business do you think anybody would actually help???? I Think not!!! Iv tried this in the past and you lot only look after your own interests.
Yep they would and do !! They show you how to make controllers, how to sort your RO out, what booster pump you need, whats a good pole etc... But you already knew that? Window cleaning is technical. Pressure washing is for monkees. There's only so many variables once you progress to machines which deliver higher that 13LPM . And that sums it up. Most of you are clueless anyway and even put them in a shop to have them serviced. Thats the extent of a lot of the technical knowledge here. You only know what machine to buy, and employ someone thick enough to stand on the end of a lance all day ;D
this is coming from a business that offers professional carpet cleaning! WITH A RUG DOCTOR MACHINE !!! Quality just Quality.
You've put 2+2 and come up with 5. I've never owned a carpet cleaner in my life, nor a rug doctor. But i'll tell my mate to go give everyone their money back ans stop taking anymore bookings for it. Sorry about that !! ;D
-
All glass is the same
ok ;D
-
Hi guys,
Just have a few questions that you guys with expierence will be able to answer!
1. Is 3000psi at 12lpm enough for patios and driveways? (I'll only be doing around 2-4 jobs a month as its an add on service)
2. Are the Loncin engine(s) reliable?
3. Is jetmac a good place to buy from? His prices seem by far the cheapest?
4. Do I need any detergents for patios etc? If so what do you guys recommend as 'must have' detergents etc, or a general cleaning detergent that you always carry with you?
5. Do I really need a 'whirlaway' type accessory? Or will a turbo nozzle be sufficient for the amount of work I'll be doing?
Any info and advice is much appreciated, I won't be doing many jobs per month, so budget is rather limited. Main income is window cleaning, however would like to be able to take on a bit more pressure washing work without having to suffer the crap electric one I have!
I will mainly be doing customers patios and driveways, so do you think the 7hp Loncin 3000psi at 12lpm will be a good choice? I'm not looking to be super fast as this is an extra service. How ever I don't want to come unstuck and not be able to clean certain stains etc...
The next level would be the 14 hp Loncin 4000psi 15lpm, but the price is a lot more, and will I really need that extra power and flow?
Many thanks guys!
I use my WFP !
-
love this thread I am mostly spend my time on the window cleaning side I would dearly love to pressure wash full time
after 30 years as its same old same old.
I would and always will defer to experience and you guys have it in bundles.
idiots will stop the free flow of help and advice just like on the other side of the forum
i was on a job and saw another"professional wc" on a very large grand Victorian house working away but noticed his ladder was just on the edge of the frame, very dangerous
told him to watch out only to be told f off you c I been doing it for two years there isn't nothing you can tell me sod off followed by more abuse,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 5 mins later bang crash screams of pain with a large piece of glass sticking out of his arm about 20 stiches worth of Painesville called an ambulance and wondered why oh why did he not listen all he could do was continue to abuse me and the ambulance crew very sad
moral always listen to good advice trust the experts
-
Come on chaps
It's getting a little silly now.
Cleanclear's post was a bit tongue in cheek, there was a smiley at the end of it. Or at least that is how I read it.
When I first came on the forum there was the massive debate between trad & WFP, the new guys getting into some very heated debates with the old school.
There's no need to be fighting amongst ourselves.
As Tony has said, advice is, or has always been given freely, on all sections of the forum and it ought to continue and we ought to all be professionals on here (at whatever level) and this has become bickering.
The problem we have is no one can be ar*ed to read the back posts anymore and if there hasn't been a response within 5 minutes then, particularly on this section, we have become a closed group.
I have worked really hard over the period I have been self employed and have built up experience and capability that I now realise has value and I don't want to give that out freely.
Remember Rees and the cleaning bible - ask the guys who bought into it how much that pile of crap (in my opinion) cost them !!!
I have done though, time and time again, IF YOU READ THE BACK POSTS and everything anyone will ever need is in there from the experienced guys, not just me.
I think the natural evolving of the forum is one where the (perceived as) experts give less and let the upcoming lads take over, with the experts stepping in when it gets technical, if they want to.
I know a lot of the people I talk to feel the same, a lot of that is down to repetitivity and one other factor (from my perspective - anyone guess what it is)
Rob ;D
-
Well said Rob ! Ever thought about becoming a politician ;D
Tony , there is a wealth of hands on experience in this sector that will give you advice. Just don't ask me ! ;D
Ed
-
Come on chaps
It's getting a little silly now.
Cleanclear's post was a bit tongue in cheek, there was a smiley at the end of it. Or at least that is how I read it.
When I first came on the forum there was the massive debate between trad & WFP, the new guys getting into some very heated debates with the old school.
There's no need to be fighting amongst ourselves.
As Tony has said, advice is, or has always been given freely, on all sections of the forum and it ought to continue and we ought to all be professionals on here (at whatever level) and this has become bickering.
The problem we have is no one can be ar*ed to read the back posts anymore and if there hasn't been a response within 5 minutes then, particularly on this section, we have become a closed group.
I have worked really hard over the period I have been self employed and have built up experience and capability that I now realise has value and I don't want to give that out freely.
Remember Rees and the cleaning bible - ask the guys who bought into it how much that pile of crap (in my opinion) cost them !!!
I have done though, time and time again, IF YOU READ THE BACK POSTS and everything anyone will ever need is in there from the experienced guys, not just me.
I think the natural evolving of the forum is one where the (perceived as) experts give less and let the upcoming lads take over, with the experts stepping in when it gets technical, if they want to.
I know a lot of the people I talk to feel the same, a lot of that is down to repetitivity and one other factor (from my perspective - anyone guess what it is)
Rob ;D
Sorry but I just don't understand or agree with your post.
I certainly wouldn't be defending 'Cleanclear' the guys only after one thing winding people up which has negative effect on everyone. This can be seen by Roger's replies to a few posts
In your post you also contradict yourself, you state advice 'ought to continue' you then state, in ref to advice 'I now realise has value and I don't want to give that out freely'
So which is it then ?
Sadly I agree with Mr B and JetVac sentiments I also don't wish to be patronized ::)roll
If you feel this is getting a 'little silly now' try reading some of your posts with young Chris
Mike ;D
-
Come on chaps
It's getting a little silly now.
Cleanclear's post was a bit tongue in cheek, there was a smiley at the end of it. Or at least that is how I read it.
When I first came on the forum there was the massive debate between trad & WFP, the new guys getting into some very heated debates with the old school.
There's no need to be fighting amongst ourselves.
As Tony has said, advice is, or has always been given freely, on all sections of the forum and it ought to continue and we ought to all be professionals on here (at whatever level) and this has become bickering.
The problem we have is no one can be ar*ed to read the back posts anymore and if there hasn't been a response within 5 minutes then, particularly on this section, we have become a closed group.
I have worked really hard over the period I have been self employed and have built up experience and capability that I now realise has value and I don't want to give that out freely.
Remember Rees and the cleaning bible - ask the guys who bought into it how much that pile of crap (in my opinion) cost them !!!
I have done though, time and time again, IF YOU READ THE BACK POSTS and everything anyone will ever need is in there from the experienced guys, not just me.
I think the natural evolving of the forum is one where the (perceived as) experts give less and let the upcoming lads take over, with the experts stepping in when it gets technical, if they want to.
I know a lot of the people I talk to feel the same, a lot of that is down to repetitivity and one other factor (from my perspective - anyone guess what it is)
Rob ;D
Rob.
I realise we have had our differences and I apologise if I have offended you in any way.
I now realise that is time for me to grow up and move forward to offer a professional service (such as yours), so this is directly for you as I feel you are best qualified to help.
How do I go about quoting for large works ..such as supermarket roofs , carparks ?
Who would be my first contact?
What prices should I charge?
Thanks in advance
-
I certainly wouldn't be defending 'Cleanclear' the guys only after one thing winding people which has negative effect on everyone. This can be seen by Roger's replies to a few posts
...............................................
Sadly I agree with Mr B and JetVac sentiments I also don't wish to be patronized
Err, i gave a toungue in cheek reply. I'm not winding anyone up. It is funny though in so much as you, Mr.B and whoever else does not want to give advice have a lot to say about it. For a negative effect, read back this thread and look at your own posts. You don't wanna offer advice, cool. See ya.
-
Mike
I hand out a lot of advice, a lot on here, a lot off the forum and continue to do so but I have experience that I see as having value, that's the bit I am talking about. the repeat questions can easily be 'investigated' and I see as not looking for the information in the back posts.
As far as 'the advice ought to continue' then why not let the newer guys become the ones with that give out that info. You are putting two entirely different parts of the post together.
My experience would be down to managing & dealing with much larger projects, from enquiry to completion. We both priced up Bedfordshire, were within 20 pence of each other as far as costing so we both know what we are talking about and managing much larger projects than most deal with on here.
There was nothing in my post that was meant to be patronising, to anyone at all so which part of it is aimed at you?
You'll notice my rhetoric with Chris has stopped and it won't continue.
And as far as you not agreeing with the post........ It's a forum, I don't care :D
Have a good day
Rob
-
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1425402977_ReturnMonkey.png)
so was 12lpm good enough then ?
-
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1425403142_monkeywind.jpg)
im not biased ;)
-
Come on chaps
It's getting a little silly now.
Cleanclear's post was a bit tongue in cheek, there was a smiley at the end of it. Or at least that is how I read it.
When I first came on the forum there was the massive debate between trad & WFP, the new guys getting into some very heated debates with the old school.
There's no need to be fighting amongst ourselves.
As Tony has said, advice is, or has always been given freely, on all sections of the forum and it ought to continue and we ought to all be professionals on here (at whatever level) and this has become bickering.
The problem we have is no one can be ar*ed to read the back posts anymore and if there hasn't been a response within 5 minutes then, particularly on this section, we have become a closed group.
I have worked really hard over the period I have been self employed and have built up experience and capability that I now realise has value and I don't want to give that out freely.
Remember Rees and the cleaning bible - ask the guys who bought into it how much that pile of crap (in my opinion) cost them !!!
I have done though, time and time again, IF YOU READ THE BACK POSTS and everything anyone will ever need is in there from the experienced guys, not just me.
I think the natural evolving of the forum is one where the (perceived as) experts give less and let the upcoming lads take over, with the experts stepping in when it gets technical, if they want to.
I know a lot of the people I talk to feel the same, a lot of that is down to repetitivity and one other factor (from my perspective - anyone guess what it is)
Rob ;D
Rob.
I realise we have had our differences and I apologise if I have offended you in any way.
I now realise that is time for me to grow up and move forward to offer a professional service (such as yours), so this is directly for you as I feel you are best qualified to help.
How do I go about quoting for large works ..such as supermarket roofs , carparks ?
Who would be my first contact?
What prices should I charge?
Thanks in advance
I doubt I would be the right person to assist you.
Rob ;D
-
Mike
I hand out a lot of advice, a lot on here, a lot off the forum and continue to do so but I have experience that I see as having value, that's the bit I am talking about. the repeat questions can easily be 'investigated' and I see as not looking for the information in the back posts.
As far as 'the advice ought to continue' then why not let the newer guys become the ones with that give out that info. You are putting two entirely different parts of the post together.
My experience would be down to managing & dealing with much larger projects, from enquiry to completion. We both priced up Bedfordshire, were within 20 pence of each other as far as costing so we both know what we are talking about and managing much larger projects than most deal with on here.
There was nothing in my post that was meant to be patronising, to anyone at all so which part of it is aimed at you?
You'll notice my rhetoric with Chris has stopped and it won't continue.
And as far as you not agreeing with the post........ It's a forum, I don't care :D
Have a good day
Rob
Fair enough, I except your explanation :D But what do you mean you don't care :-*
More importantly who told you our cost ??? >:( ;D ;D ..... from what I remember your cost didn't include re-sanding.
Mike :-*
-
Mike
I ain't falling out with anyone on here, not you, Chris or anyone else - that's what that meant.
I wish your business well
If you want to give me a ring I'll talk about it off the forum.
Rob ;D
-
So how do I price the "larger" projects?
-
Largely the same as small jobs but sort of larger ???
-
So how do I price the "larger" projects?
Are you saying you have no idea?
Rob ;D
-
Largely the same as small jobs but sort of larger ???
Just how i like my women...
-
why don't you just rent one when you have a few driveways to do, save the outlay and experiment with different machines before buying one?
-
So how do I price the "larger" projects?
Are you saying you have no idea?
Rob ;D
No idea really…i just guess and hope.
I just thought you might help. Being as you where saying we should all mentor those that don't know. Maybe you could start with me…we could set an example of how we should all proceed on this forum.
How do I go about quoting for large works ..such as supermarket roofs , carparks ?
Who would be my first contact?
What prices should I charge?
Thanks in advance ….
-
Start another thread then and see who will help out!
Rob ;D
-
Start another thread then and see who will help out!
Rob ;D
I'll be able to help him out. Not that i know anything about it, but its never stopped me talking about anything before !!! ;D
-
why don't you just rent one when you have a few driveways to do, save the outlay and experiment with different machines before buying one?
A woman?
Rob ;D
-
Av just sat an read the above posts.......... An it's a bit petty now, (I will have chris mentor me tho !) we know where we at but let's all be friends, we all scattered about around the country an a few years ago I was 100% trad, since coming on ere I have moved my business on loads. I didn't have an igloo about wfp and was convinced it was going to be a load.of bull dung ! How wrong was I. At Christmas I didn't have a clue about pressure washing never mind buying machine, or there capabilities. I didn't know chris from Adam but he got in touch told me a bit about machines and what was best for me and tbh if he hadn't I wouldn't have a machine now or I would of spent money on crap. Even rob has been in touch offering help so I am benefiting every were. This forum is a decent thing and I know everyone pes about when it comes to earning but bottom line is I have learnt loads off coming on here, av got to know loads of sound lads, who gave me info on what's what.
Tbh we should all be throwing in to buy hypo and other chemicals in bulk to get the best possible deal.
Come on guys lets all be friends and no monkey business now.
Or some ones goin to have to go stand and face the corner for half hour.
-
Tbh we should all be throwing in to buy hypo and other chemicals in bulk to get the best possible deal.
Hypo, £16 , 25 litres, Wilson Road, Huyton.
-
Tbh we should all be throwing in to buy hypo and other chemicals in bulk to get the best possible deal.
Hypo, £16 , 25 litres, Wilson Road, Huyton.
Whats the name of the supplier…do they do larger drums?
-
What a shot clean clear, saves me a drive to Runcorn today.
-
http://www.bbhygiene.com/
-
0151 489 2711
-
Nice one Gary, spoke to Cathy today and she will have some for me before end of week.
-
Nice one Gary, spoke to Cathy today and she will have some for me before end of week.
I'm Mike Matt, Gary is my mate. Just think dumb and dumber !!! ;D
-
Haha, sound mike. I know Cathy and she asked me was it Gary that says we sold it,
Proper convenient for me as I have been getting cleaning stock from her for years. Haha.
Nice one mike
-
3000psi (200 bar) and 15 lpm minimum, everyone knows that.............. :o
-
??
-
3000psi (200 bar) and 15 lpm minimum, everyone knows that.............. :o
Hypo, a hose pipe and a brush, everyone knows that too !! :-)
-
My only advice will be this : do not buy a Kiam , utter garbage , I bought one when I started my business 2 years ago , really without researching , and because it was local , you may as well go to the casino and whack your money on "0".
I purchased from jetmac last year , have to say I got no complaints , yes it's only a GX200 with fitted 20 metres of hose on a reel , but I have had no issues with it at all , sucks the water straight out of my baffled tank on my van , it does the job , and gets results , and have never had any complaints ..of course I would love to upgrade to an even more powerful machine , but you try and get the best you can .
I've invested in water fed pole equipment to do pure water window cleaning as a bolt on now , as it frustrated me to see so many window cleaners doing driveways etc using rubbish electric pressure washers , so I thought right if I'm losing business there il get some custom with the window cleaning , and I don't care if that p...... Mr window cleaner off , it's become every man for himself .
-
Is someone buying a 15ltr machine ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D