Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Amazin on February 16, 2015, 08:58:34 am
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I been looking on ebay and gumtree but my options are limited when it comes to vans with WC systems installed. I'm thinking just get a regualr van first then install it later.
Where can I find people who can install it for me?
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http://www.reach2cleanonline.co.uk/contact
He is down south.
here is another
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40-INCH-RO-PRO-500-LITRE-WATER-FED-POLE-SYSTEM-/191512839639?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
Before you buy a van you need to ensure you have a water supply in place. If you buy water then you just need a tank, securing frame, pump, hose reel and brush. You won't need the r/o. You also need to have some means of ensuring that winter freezing temperatures aren't going to damage your kit. (Gas heater for example. Several cleaners have installed these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PROPEX-HEATSOURCE-HS2000-V1-GAS-12V-HEATER-KIT-vehicle-motorhome-caravan-camper-/181551964903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a455722e7
Expensive yes, but cheaper than having to replace frost destroyed kit.)
Good used vans aren't easy to come by. There are a couple of wfp vans for sale (one on Ebay at the moment)
here's one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Window-Cleaning-Van-Fiat-Scudo-Water-Fed-Pole-Van-/261779298807?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf34319f7
However IMHO the tank is too small and I would ask a hell of a lot of questions with regard to the replacement turbo being done this year. Has the complete job been done or has the blow turbo just been replaced. If half the job has been done and he is getting shot of it, which I suspect, then I wouldn't touch it. 4 owners is also a negative. (The clutch I wouldn't worry about as it would have been one of those crappy dual mass flywheeler issues.)
This may help
http://c4owners.org/plugins/faq/faq.php?0.cat.5.110
If you are looking to buy a small van you will need something that will easily carry enough water for your daily useage. The 2 vans the lads have both have 500 liter tank installed which is more than enough for their daily use. Perhaps you could get away with a 400 liter tank system. However if you saw a Citroen Berlingo 600LX for sale, that certainly wouldn't carry you, 500 liters of water, a full tank of diesel and all your kit as the payload isn't high enough. But a Citroen Berlingo 800 LX would be OK as it has a higher payload.
The point is not to buy the first van and then try to find a system to suit the van. You need to chose a van that will suit the system you need to accomplish a day's work.
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Buy van without because alot of people put systems in their vans and then think its worth three grand more . Plus you always end up with crap equipment , buy you van then everything you put in will be what you have chosen
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Buy van without because alot of people put systems in their vans and then think its worth three grand more . Plus you always end up with crap equipment , buy you van then everything you put in will be what you have chosen
Agree ^^
- some of the suppliers also sell crap equipment, especially when it comes to poles. So I would take the poles out of the quote and order my own - Gardiner SLX for me.
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Find a nice van first, then build DIY system.
All help will be available on here with any problems as you go along.
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Find a nice van first, then build DIY system.
All help will be available on here with any problems as you go along.
Trying to put something together in the street, especially in London, will be quite a challenge I would imagine.
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Once the tank is in everything else is small, spend an hour in sainsburys car park putting ur clips an pipes in.
I have A DIY system and I have just changed tanks over I reckon it will take me about a hour to put all pipes an clips back together.
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http://www.reach2cleanonline.co.uk/contact
He is down south.
here is another
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40-INCH-RO-PRO-500-LITRE-WATER-FED-POLE-SYSTEM-/191512839639?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
Before you buy a van you need to ensure you have a water supply in place. If you buy water then you just need a tank, securing frame, pump, hose reel and brush. You won't need the r/o. You also need to have some means of ensuring that winter freezing temperatures aren't going to damage your kit. (Gas heater for example. Several cleaners have installed these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PROPEX-HEATSOURCE-HS2000-V1-GAS-12V-HEATER-KIT-vehicle-motorhome-caravan-camper-/181551964903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a455722e7
Expensive yes, but cheaper than having to replace frost destroyed kit.)
Good used vans aren't easy to come by. There are a couple of wfp vans for sale (one on Ebay at the moment)
here's one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Window-Cleaning-Van-Fiat-Scudo-Water-Fed-Pole-Van-/261779298807?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf34319f7
However IMHO the tank is too small and I would ask a hell of a lot of questions with regard to the replacement turbo being done this year. Has the complete job been done or has the blow turbo just been replaced. If half the job has been done and he is getting shot of it, which I suspect, then I wouldn't touch it. 4 owners is also a negative. (The clutch I wouldn't worry about as it would have been one of those crappy dual mass flywheeler issues.)
This may help
http://c4owners.org/plugins/faq/faq.php?0.cat.5.110
If you are looking to buy a small van you will need something that will easily carry enough water for your daily useage. The 2 vans the lads have both have 500 liter tank installed which is more than enough for their daily use. Perhaps you could get away with a 400 liter tank system. However if you saw a Citroen Berlingo 600LX for sale, that certainly would carry you, 500 liters of water, a full tank of diesel and all your kit as the payload isn't high enough. But a Citroen Berlingo 800 LX would be OK as it has a higher payload.
The point is not to buy the first van and then try to find a system to suit the van. You need to chose a van that will suit the system you need to accomplish a day's work.
500litr is not enough water for guys based along the UK coasts, like our company we have 650litr tanks in all our vans to contend with all the sand and salt which covers our customers windows alot more rinsing is in volved trolleys are not a option
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Thanks everyone's feedback, very much appreciated. especially to Spruce
Yeah, I going to just get a van first with a budget of around £3500. (hope thats sufficient enough)
http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/nissan-primastar-2.0l-diesel-...low-mileage-98000....1owner...year2008/1099560467 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/nissan-primastar-2.0l-diesel-...low-mileage-98000....1owner...year2008/1099560467)
how's does that one look?
is there any requirement in term of size of the van?
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is there any requirement in term of size of the van?
YES .............. customers ;)
apologies for my sarcasm but from your posts it would appear your just starting out ?
if starting out before spending out any money on van etc I would go knocking / leafleting for a week or 2 to see if you can get any customers.
if your not a newbie and have lots of customers then forget all of the above :)
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Thanks everyone's feedback, very much appreciated. especially to Spruce
Yeah, I going to just get a van first with a budget of around £3500. (hope thats sufficient enough)
http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/nissan-primastar-2.0l-diesel-...low-mileage-98000....1owner...year2008/1099560467 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/nissan-primastar-2.0l-diesel-...low-mileage-98000....1owner...year2008/1099560467)
how's does that one look?
is there any requirement in term of size of the van?
It doesn't look too bad. I always get suspicious when there are numerous photos of the outside but none of the inside cargo area. The condition of the inside cargo is the best way to tell whether a van has been treated well or not. If its a mess, dented wheel arches and damaged trim panels then its been abused no matter what the outside tells you.
Is it a dealer or a private sale?
You also need to check that everything is working as it should be. We all know these have gearbox issues so a good service history and gearbox are very important. If you can, get the oil in the gearbox inspected. Removing the filler plug and sticking your pinkie in will give you a good idea about the box. If the oil is milky, walk away.
If it has had a gearbox replacement, try to find out who did it and what they did. Most reconditioned boxes are fitted with secondhand parts from other old gearboxes and will usually fail again.
And of course Ian101 is right. If you don't have any customers then the rest is futile. You might be better starting off with a small outlay and working traditionally until you can get a round together before investing in wfp equipment.
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http://www.reach2cleanonline.co.uk/contact
He is down south.
here is another
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40-INCH-RO-PRO-500-LITRE-WATER-FED-POLE-SYSTEM-/191512839639?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
Before you buy a van you need to ensure you have a water supply in place. If you buy water then you just need a tank, securing frame, pump, hose reel and brush. You won't need the r/o. You also need to have some means of ensuring that winter freezing temperatures aren't going to damage your kit. (Gas heater for example. Several cleaners have installed these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PROPEX-HEATSOURCE-HS2000-V1-GAS-12V-HEATER-KIT-vehicle-motorhome-caravan-camper-/181551964903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a455722e7
Expensive yes, but cheaper than having to replace frost destroyed kit.)
Good used vans aren't easy to come by. There are a couple of wfp vans for sale (one on Ebay at the moment)
here's one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Window-Cleaning-Van-Fiat-Scudo-Water-Fed-Pole-Van-/261779298807?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf34319f7
However IMHO the tank is too small and I would ask a hell of a lot of questions with regard to the replacement turbo being done this year. Has the complete job been done or has the blow turbo just been replaced. If half the job has been done and he is getting shot of it, which I suspect, then I wouldn't touch it. 4 owners is also a negative. (The clutch I wouldn't worry about as it would have been one of those crappy dual mass flywheeler issues.)
This may help
http://c4owners.org/plugins/faq/faq.php?0.cat.5.110
If you are looking to buy a small van you will need something that will easily carry enough water for your daily useage. The 2 vans the lads have both have 500 liter tank installed which is more than enough for their daily use. Perhaps you could get away with a 400 liter tank system. However if you saw a Citroen Berlingo 600LX for sale, that certainly would carry you, 500 liters of water, a full tank of diesel and all your kit as the payload isn't high enough. But a Citroen Berlingo 800 LX would be OK as it has a higher payload.
The point is not to buy the first van and then try to find a system to suit the van. You need to chose a van that will suit the system you need to accomplish a day's work.
500litr is not enough water for guys based along the UK coasts, like our company we have 650litr tanks in all our vans to contend with all the sand and salt which covers our customers windows alot more rinsing is in volved trolleys are not a option
Not quite sure about that, we have varying size tanks from 350L to 1000L in the vans and have a base along 5 coastal towns in the SE, never been a problem with water, use backpacks all the time. Its individual houses and locations that make the difference.
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YES .............. customers Wink
apologies for my sarcasm but from your posts it would appear your just starting out ?
yes but i still need a van even if I was going to do traditional!
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Thanks everyone's feedback, very much appreciated. especially to Spruce
Yeah, I going to just get a van first with a budget of around £3500. (hope thats sufficient enough)
http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/nissan-primastar-2.0l-diesel-...low-mileage-98000....1owner...year2008/1099560467 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/nissan-primastar-2.0l-diesel-...low-mileage-98000....1owner...year2008/1099560467)
how's does that one look?
is there any requirement in term of size of the van?
Although you can come unstuck with any van, the Primastar/Vivaro/Trafics can start to need expensive repairs once they get to 100k (before in some cases). You might be fine with it though but don't be shocked to average £1k a year plus down time. That one is newer than mine so some of the things may have been sorted.
I was recently without my (123,000 miles) Trafic for a number of weeks while the fault was traced. Although the final bill was only about £300, it cost me £1k to rent a van for 7 weeks while working from backpack and containers. I didn't think I was going to get it back as there was talk that a new engine might be needed (I would have replaced the van). It turned out to be something called a boost solenoid whatever that is. Runs great now but I will probably trade it in late summer just before my accounting year ends
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Not looking forward to van breaking down. I reckon once I upgrade my van ill keep this one offroad its probably only worth a few hundred quid so seems sensible to ha e a backup. Or I could get an estate car as a reserve and use barrels
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What about this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-PEUGEOT-BOXER-WHITE-MOT-UNTIL-FEBRUARY-2016-/291381183552?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
It not cheap but it looks pretty good for the age.
Dent in the sill on the left hand side could be ignored. I would question why there is water on the floor mat. It seems a bit much to have come from a boot. If its coming from a leaking heater matrix then that a dashboard out to replace that.
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or this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NO-VAT-CITROEN-RELAY-2-0HDI-1100-ENTERPRISE-2005-ONLY-58K-VERY-CLEAN-VAN-/231479012400?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
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Good find spruce
Best size/weight combo I've found is the dispatch/expert/scudo ideal for one or two men fits a good size tank and still room for gutter vac set up. A little bit tight for poles length wise but good overhead space helps out here.
Seem to be cheap as chips, low mileage straight models about
Darran
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http://www.reach2cleanonline.co.uk/contact
He is down south.
here is another
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40-INCH-RO-PRO-500-LITRE-WATER-FED-POLE-SYSTEM-/191512839639?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
Before you buy a van you need to ensure you have a water supply in place. If you buy water then you just need a tank, securing frame, pump, hose reel and brush. You won't need the r/o. You also need to have some means of ensuring that winter freezing temperatures aren't going to damage your kit. (Gas heater for example. Several cleaners have installed these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PROPEX-HEATSOURCE-HS2000-V1-GAS-12V-HEATER-KIT-vehicle-motorhome-caravan-camper-/181551964903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a455722e7
Expensive yes, but cheaper than having to replace frost destroyed kit.)
Good used vans aren't easy to come by. There are a couple of wfp vans for sale (one on Ebay at the moment)
here's one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Window-Cleaning-Van-Fiat-Scudo-Water-Fed-Pole-Van-/261779298807?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf34319f7
However IMHO the tank is too small and I would ask a hell of a lot of questions with regard to the replacement turbo being done this year. Has the complete job been done or has the blow turbo just been replaced. If half the job has been done and he is getting shot of it, which I suspect, then I wouldn't touch it. 4 owners is also a negative. (The clutch I wouldn't worry about as it would have been one of those crappy dual mass flywheeler issues.)
This may help
http://c4owners.org/plugins/faq/faq.php?0.cat.5.110
If you are looking to buy a small van you will need something that will easily carry enough water for your daily useage. The 2 vans the lads have both have 500 liter tank installed which is more than enough for their daily use. Perhaps you could get away with a 400 liter tank system. However if you saw a Citroen Berlingo 600LX for sale, that certainly wouldn't carry you, 500 liters of water, a full tank of diesel and all your kit as the payload isn't high enough. But a Citroen Berlingo 800 LX would be OK as it has a higher payload.
The point is not to buy the first van and then try to find a system to suit the van. You need to chose a van that will suit the system you need to accomplish a day's work.
You know Spruce
You are one hell of a guy and some one to be proud of on this forum.
I always read your posts because you are not only knowledgeable you are also very helpful.
Many thanks for being part of the forum.
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I'll second that
Darran
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OP. I wouldn't ever buy a used reach & wash van.
It's gonna have worked the hardest carrying weight, probably, every day of its life.
My advice would be to buy a good used van preferably a florists or polystyrene bean deliverer. Summat light either way!
And stick your own system in.
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:-[
Thanks hasti and Darran, although I have read plenty of helpful advise from Darran as well.
I will certainly be buying microbore hose next time around to lighten my hose reel - good advice from Darran who has first hand knowledge of the difference. (When smaller diamt hose first made its appearance, Williamson pumps refused guarantee on any Shurflo pumps used on systems that weren't using 1/2" hose. For this reason I have always stuck with minibore and never tried microbore.)
This is one thing about the forum - the experience of some of its members is something you can't buy.
Anyway, back to vans;
Good vans are about but they usually get snapped up privately before they get advertised, especially the older ones. The ones that make it to dealerships are usually overpriced but if they get you a couple of years service then they have paid for themselves.
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OP. I wouldn't ever buy a used reach & wash van.
It's gonna have worked the hardest carrying weight, probably overweight every morning, every day of its life.
My advice would be to buy a good used van preferably a florists or polystyrene bean deliverer. Summat light either way!
And stick your own system in.
^^^ I agree. Most wfp converted vans for sale also have mega miles. I have seen many over the years that were probably builder's vans before they were bought and converted.
One also has to be careful as vans would most probably be lite carrying spec. The polystyrene carriers would get the biggest volume van with the lowest payload - ie Transit T260, Relay 900 etc which aren't much good for wfp.
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OP. I wouldn't ever buy a used reach & wash van.
It's gonna have worked the hardest carrying weight, probably, every day of its life.
My advice would be to buy a good used van preferably a florists or polystyrene bean deliverer. Summat light either way!
And stick your own system in.
Love it ;D
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:-[
Thanks hasti and Darran, although I have read plenty of helpful advise from Darran as well.
I will certainly be buying microbore hose next time around to lighten my hose reel - good advice from Darran who has first hand knowledge of the difference. (When smaller diamt hose first made its appearance, Williamson pumps refused guarantee on any Shurflo pumps used on systems that weren't using 1/2" hose. For this reason I have always stuck with minibore and never tried microbore.)
This is one thing about the forum - the experience of some of its members is something you can't buy.
Anyway, back to vans;
Good vans are about but they usually get snapped up privately before they get advertised, especially the older ones. The ones that make it to dealerships are usually overpriced but if they get you a couple of years service then they have paid for themselves.
You welcome mate :)
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You know Spruce
You are one hell of a guy and some one to be proud of on this forum
Yes definately, I'm a member of few other forums and each one of them has few very helpful memebers. It is them that keep the forum alive and positive.
or this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NO-VAT-CITROEN-RELAY-2-0HDI-1100-ENTERPRISE-2005-ONLY-58K-VERY-CLEAN-VAN-/231479012400?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
looks great but bit too far :'(. I just got my driver's license so I wouldn't feel comfortable driving the van back to East london. Personally, my budget is £3000-£3500 and I wouldn't want anything less than that. Safety first.
http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/ford-transit-2006-white-swb-low-roof-2.2-1-year-full-mot/1100345461 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/ford-transit-2006-white-swb-low-roof-2.2-1-year-full-mot/1100345461)
just saw that on gumtree, seriously? Its nearly 10 years old with 140,000 milage and he still want nearly £3000!
http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/renault-trafic-sl29-dci-115/1100086320 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/renault-trafic-sl29-dci-115/1100086320)
that looks alright. If I remember correctly, I think someone on here said Toyota vans are the best or something like that. Let me know if there's a particular brand I should stick to.
Again, thanks Spruce, more than happy to buy you a beer
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I'm afraid that's what some vans command, although I feel these are overpriced, still be prepared for toyota hi ace prices... £2500 210k on the clock 1998 ;D
Just be mindful that a big van is a nice to have NOT a must have, a mid size van will be easier to park in London and what about the emissions for older vans ?
Darran
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You know Spruce
You are one hell of a guy and some one to be proud of on this forum
Yes definately, I'm a member of few other forums and each one of them has few very helpful memebers. It is them that keep the forum alive and positive.
or this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NO-VAT-CITROEN-RELAY-2-0HDI-1100-ENTERPRISE-2005-ONLY-58K-VERY-CLEAN-VAN-/231479012400?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
looks great but bit too far :'(. I just got my driver's license so I wouldn't feel comfortable driving the van back to East london. Personally, my budget is £3000-£3500 and I wouldn't want anything less than that. Safety first.
http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/ford-transit-2006-white-swb-low-roof-2.2-1-year-full-mot/1100345461 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/ford-transit-2006-white-swb-low-roof-2.2-1-year-full-mot/1100345461)
just saw that on gumtree, seriously? Its nearly 10 years old with 140,000 milage and he still want nearly £3000!
http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/renault-trafic-sl29-dci-115/1100086320 (http://www.gumtree.com/p/vans/renault-trafic-sl29-dci-115/1100086320)
that looks alright. If I remember correctly, I think someone on here said Toyota vans are the best or something like that. Let me know if there's a particular brand I should stick to.
Again, thanks Spruce, more than happy to buy you a beer
It might be an idea to find out what insurance is going to cost you being a new driver.
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It might be an idea to find out what insurance is going to cost you being a new driver.
I can't really do that without know exactly which van I'm gona get. I contacted A-plan insurance and they told me to phone them when I buy the vechicle
a mid size van will be easier to park in London and what about the emissions for older vans ?
Yeah true but i don't want a van thats too small because i need to install a big water tank inside.
Quick question: is it ok if I register with HMRC for road tax after I drive the van back to my place? when I went to their website to apply, they asking me details about the vechicle which I don't yet have
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do not buy vivaro ,primastar any of them , they are a pile of junk
mine with only 20 k on clock been off road one week and they still cant find fault !!!!!!!!!!!
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do not buy vivaro ,primastar any of them , they are a pile of junk
mine with only 20 k on clock been off road one week and they still cant find fault !!!!!!!!!!!
Find a proper mechanic ;D
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It might be an idea to find out what insurance is going to cost you being a new driver.
I can't really do that without know exactly which van I'm gona get. I contacted A-plan insurance and they told me to phone them when I buy the vechicle
a mid size van will be easier to park in London and what about the emissions for older vans ?
Yeah true but i don't want a van thats too small because i need to install a big water tank inside.
Quick question: is it ok if I register with HMRC for road tax after I drive the van back to my place? when I went to their website to apply, they asking me details about the vechicle which I don't yet have
No, you will be breaking the new law.
You will have to get a licence before you drive it.
This will create a problem for private buyers as they will need to have insurance in place as well and that insurance will need to be recorded with the DVLA. At one time it was not an immediate transaction.
Has anyway bought a vehicle privately since the law changed and how did you handle it.
The way I see it is that if you tax a vehicle before the seller advises that he has sold the vehicle, it could happen that the seller is then refunded with the RFL that you have just purchased when he eventually does advise the DVLA of his sale. I would be concerned with this.
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I took a trafic site van off renault last year, 60 plate 30000 on clock £5200 + vat. I haven't had 1 problem yet fingers crossed.
I have been getting my vans from renault for last 15 year, started off with a few Clio vans absolutely brilliant little vans but out grew them and ventured into the kangoo's, again great vans but needed bigger
Trafic van is now the size for me, 500L tank up the top of van, shelf on side of tank with Merlin in, small double di bottles riveted to bulk head and pure in tank, still have 11L di on way to hose as emergency. Have enough room to fit a sealey 37L tank above 500L for chemical delivery. Hose reel on roof so still plenty of room for pressure washer, trad swag and still room to fit gutter vac in when I pick one up.
Perfect for me.
If you don't need a van this size look at scudo or kangoo sized van, will be cheaper on fuel and insurance.
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It might be an idea to find out what insurance is going to cost you being a new driver.
I can't really do that without know exactly which van I'm gona get. I contacted A-plan insurance and they told me to phone them when I buy the vechicle
a mid size van will be easier to park in London and what about the emissions for older vans ?
Yeah true but i don't want a van thats too small because i need to install a big water tank inside.
Quick question: is it ok if I register with HMRC for road tax after I drive the van back to my place? when I went to their website to apply, they asking me details about the vechicle which I don't yet have
No, you will be breaking the new law.
You will have to get a licence before you drive it.
This will create a problem for private buyers as they will need to have insurance in place as well and that insurance will need to be recorded with the DVLA. At one time it was not an immediate transaction.
Has anyway bought a vehicle privately since the law changed and how did you handle it.
The way I see it is that if you tax a vehicle before the seller advises that he has sold the vehicle, it could happen that the seller is then refunded with the RFL that you have just purchased when he eventually does advise the DVLA of his sale. I would be concerned with this.
OK. I've just found this on the DVLA website.
Buying a vehicle
From 1 October, when you buy a vehicle, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred with the vehicle. You will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle.
You can tax the vehicle using either the:
11 digit reference number from your log book (V5C) – if the vehicle is registered in your name
12 digit reference number on your New Keeper Supplement (V5C/2) if you’ve just bought the vehicle or the vehicle is not registered in your name
You can tax online or by using our automated phone service - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on 0300 123 4321.
Alternatively, you may wish to visit a Post Office® branch.
DVLA are unable to check the vehicle insurance details for new keepers in Northern Ireland online or by phone. If you’re a Northern Ireland new keeper, you will need to tax at a Post Office® branch that deals with vehicle tax.
It is a legal requirement for all UK drivers to have motor insurance in place before using a vehicle on a public road.
Not sure what the Post Office now need to tax a vehicle with regard to Insurance documents. I've always done it online, but at one time they would only accept the original insurance certificate and not copies or printed copies from your own printer. i don't know if that changed or not.
Anyone got any experience under the new system regarding taxing and insuring a vehicle at the point of collection.
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Your printed copy is now ok as many companies are now online only.
Last van I brought I had to walk to the po ( 100 yards from seller ) and hand in insurance plus the new reg keeper slip. Was given a receipt and that was it
Darran
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Your printed copy is now ok as many companies are now online only.
Last van I brought I had to walk to the po ( 100 yards from seller ) and hand in insurance plus the new reg keeper slip. Was given a receipt and that was it
Darran
Thanks Darran.
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No, you will be breaking the new law.
You will have to get a licence before you drive it.
This will create a problem for private buyers as they will need to have insurance in place as well and that insurance will need to be recorded with the DVLA. At one time it was not an immediate transaction.
again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
1 digit reference number from your log book (V5C) – if the vehicle is registered in your name
12 digit reference number on your New Keeper Supplement (V5C/2) if you’ve just bought the vehicle or the vehicle is not registered in your name
You can tax online or by using our automated phone service - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on 0300 123 4321.
So I'm assuming that once I do the above, it will come into effect immediately?
well, I supposed I can always pay for the van first after examine it carefully then pick it up after I sort everything out. Unless there's a way to do everything on the same day.
Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...
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again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.
Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...
Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........
And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done. Check ouit the price of (for example) a 56 plate Vivaro...with a system, then check out the price without one........... Then price a system..........if you aint got this aptitude you're gonna struggle buddy. How are you going to price a job when you can't even buy and insure a van ?
The process is very easy, i know this because i can do it, so thats a measure!!!
I predict it being fun if you buy one without a system. Don't worry there's loads of guys here to help you with that !! You can spend the spring in the back of your new van with a toolkit, some parts and an ipad trying to figure it all out.... ;D
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Don't say I did not warn all you traffic ,vivaro, primastar owners , check out the forums , they are a ticking timebombe of unreliability .
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Won't have a word said against my Vivaro, well not while I'm selling it !!!
Bit harsh cc, true, but a little harsh... ;D
Darran
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again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.
Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...
Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........
And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done. Check ouit the price of (for example) a 56 plate Vivaro...with a system, then check out the price without one........... Then price a system..........if you aint got this aptitude you're gonna struggle buddy. How are you going to price a job when you can't even buy and insure a van ?
The process is very easy, i know this because i can do it, so thats a measure!!!
I predict it being fun if you buy one without a system. Don't worry there's loads of guys here to help you with that !! You can spend the spring in the back of your new van with a toolkit, some parts and an ipad trying to figure it all out.... ;D
Cleancare - its easy when you have done it before or been with someone who has done it. But it will be quite daunting for someone who is young and never done this before.
If you buy a van from someone in the trade, then usually sign up on the day once you have agreed a deal, agree a collection date and then go home and start the process of arranging insurance, etc. The insurance certificate was usually posted onto the trader/dealer and he would use your insurance certificate to tax the vehicle on your behalf so it was all ready for you to drive away. The vehicle would also be cleaned and fuelled on the collection date as well.
If you bid on an online auction then you will need to have Insurance and the printed certificate with you when you go and collect your vehicle. You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.
Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.
If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.
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Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.
I've only just got my driver's license few weeks ago after 14 attempts. I have never bought a vechicle before and I foundout recently that there's no road tax disc anymore.
Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........
And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done.
I did but my situation is slightly different because I'm buying it from a private seller and I want to make sure I don't get scammed. I contacted HMRC trying to get some advice and what happened? I waited half hour and I wasn't able to get anyone on the phone because they were so busy. I phoned local council but the woman wasn't that helpful tbh.
You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.
Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.
If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.
again, thank you so much Spruce, helpful as usaual. I think cash payments should be avoided. I will try to offer a transfer
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Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.
I've only just got my driver's license few weeks ago after 14 attempts. I have never bought a vechicle before and I foundout recently that there's no road tax disc anymore.
Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........
And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done.
I did but my situation is slightly different because I'm buying it from a private seller and I want to make sure I don't get scammed. I contacted HMRC trying to get some advice and what happened? I waited half hour and I wasn't able to get anyone on the phone because they were so busy. I phoned local council but the woman wasn't that helpful tbh.
You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.
Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.
If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.
again, thank you so much Spruce, helpful as usaual. I think cash payments should be avoided. I will try to offer a transfer
Up to that amount I have always paid cash.
When I bought a car for my son, the seller drove down to the bank with me and deposited it in his own account before parting with the car. A transfer may not be done on the day which means you could be stuck around for the night and then loose track of a vehicle.
Before buying the vehicle you 'settle' on, get the reg number and do an HPI check. Yes it costs but you are better off. Once you pay cash and the vehicle is signed across then you have the keys and its yours - take it then.
A dealer in financial trouble is what you have to be careful of. If you pay him by transfer and in between your payment to him and collecting the vehicle his business folds, you don't get the vehicle and you become a creditor in a liquidation case. If you are lucky you might get a small percentage of the money you transferred back, which could take years. Quite a while ago a large dealership in Teesside folded. A couple of days before this happened a gypsy came in and ordered 2 brand new Mitsubishi Shoguns and paid cash. He lost the lot as none of the creditors got paid anything. After the finance house had taken the vehicles back that they had borrowed against, there wasn't enough left to pay the Receiver and they come first.
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again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.
Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...
Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........
And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done. Check ouit the price of (for example) a 56 plate Vivaro...with a system, then check out the price without one........... Then price a system..........if you aint got this aptitude you're gonna struggle buddy. How are you going to price a job when you can't even buy and insure a van ?
The process is very easy, i know this because i can do it, so thats a measure!!!
I predict it being fun if you buy one without a system. Don't worry there's loads of guys here to help you with that !! You can spend the spring in the back of your new van with a toolkit, some parts and an ipad trying to figure it all out.... ;D
Cleancare - its easy when you have done it before or been with someone who has done it. But it will be quite daunting for someone who is young and never done this before.
If you buy a van from someone in the trade, then usually sign up on the day once you have agreed a deal, agree a collection date and then go home and start the process of arranging insurance, etc. The insurance certificate was usually posted onto the trader/dealer and he would use your insurance certificate to tax the vehicle on your behalf so it was all ready for you to drive away. The vehicle would also be cleaned and fuelled on the collection date as well.
If you bid on an online auction then you will need to have Insurance and the printed certificate with you when you go and collect your vehicle. You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.
Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.
If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.
Let me just stop you there. You have 14 days within which to tax your vehicle, or SORN it. No trips to the Post Office neccesary at all before you drive it, no need to get the seller driving you anywhere. There's also no requirement to carry your policy documents with you. Hope that info helps. He's onto HMRC now and the local Council so i'm sure they'll sort him out !! ;D
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again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.
Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...
Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........
And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done. Check ouit the price of (for example) a 56 plate Vivaro...with a system, then check out the price without one........... Then price a system..........if you aint got this aptitude you're gonna struggle buddy. How are you going to price a job when you can't even buy and insure a van ?
The process is very easy, i know this because i can do it, so thats a measure!!!
I predict it being fun if you buy one without a system. Don't worry there's loads of guys here to help you with that !! You can spend the spring in the back of your new van with a toolkit, some parts and an ipad trying to figure it all out.... ;D
Cleancare - its easy when you have done it before or been with someone who has done it. But it will be quite daunting for someone who is young and never done this before.
If you buy a van from someone in the trade, then usually sign up on the day once you have agreed a deal, agree a collection date and then go home and start the process of arranging insurance, etc. The insurance certificate was usually posted onto the trader/dealer and he would use your insurance certificate to tax the vehicle on your behalf so it was all ready for you to drive away. The vehicle would also be cleaned and fuelled on the collection date as well.
If you bid on an online auction then you will need to have Insurance and the printed certificate with you when you go and collect your vehicle. You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.
Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.
If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.
Let me just stop you there. You have 14 days within which to tax your vehicle, or SORN it. No trips to the Post Office neccesary at all before you drive it, no need to get the seller driving you anywhere. There's also no requirement to carry your policy documents with you. Hope that info helps. He's onto HMRC now and the local Council so i'm sure they'll sort him out !! ;D
Not anymore, CC.
Think this is what Spruce is trying to say.
http://www.bvrla.co.uk/sites/default/files/documents/buying-selling_faqs.pdf