Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jakey boy on February 03, 2015, 05:33:21 pm
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I've been timing my work recently for a comparison on wfp and trad,
Now obviously Georgian windows and leaded windows etc are a million times faster doing wfp than trad,
However,
On standard windows, I find trad is faster, especially with this new squeegee I'm trialling from 'polz & bladz'. I find it's faster because you don't have to stand about rinsing, and scrubbing as much, with trad it's literally seconds on each window. Quick mop and then blade off, wipe sills, done.
Of course I know most if you will disagree, but I find that by the time you've dragged the hose around plant pots, extended the pole, scrubbed the frames/windows then rinsing off, it's quicker to trad it! This applies to standard windows, as I i said wfp is miles quicker on little square windows etx...
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
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I've been timing my work recently for a comparison on wfp and trad,
Now obviously Georgian windows and leaded windows etc are a million times faster doing wfp than trad,
However,
On standard windows, I find trad is faster, especially with this new squeegee I'm trialling from 'polz & bladz'. I find it's faster because you don't have to stand about rinsing, and scrubbing as much, with trad it's literally seconds on each window. Quick mop and then blade off, wipe sills, done.
Of course I know most if you will disagree, but I find that by the time you've dragged the hose around plant pots, extended the pole, scrubbed the frames/windows then rinsing off, it's quicker to trad it! This applies to standard windows, as I i said wfp is miles quicker on little square windows etx...
It's only quicker trad if you don't do frames. Even then I would reckon I'm still faster when you take into account ladder set up and moving from window yo window repositioning the ladder.
Mayb your just too thorugh with WFP. :)
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I do some car showrooms. I HAD to use WFP this time as I snapped a key in the lock on one of the pointers lol
The time it took me todo half the front was the same time for the whole outside.
However unless it's lower floor. I would rather stick a wasp in my pants then go up ladders full time again. I value my life far more than a clean window.
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
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I do some car showrooms. I HAD to use WFP this time as I snapped a key in the lock on one of the pointers lol
The time it took me todo half the front was the same time for the whole outside.
However unless it's lower floor. I would rather stick a wasp in my pants then go up ladders full time again. I value my life far more than a clean window.
I used to go up 3 floors regularly off ladders, but no way now. But downstairs and upstairs houses are still easy with a ladder imo, I defo no longer go up 3rd floor anymore, always wfp at that height now.
One thing is almost for sure, downstairs windows are much faster trad, especially patio doors, I get annoyed doing downstairs windows with wfp, it's always awkward and slow, in saying that, I'm not one of those people who do wfp tops and trad bottoms. I either use wfp or trad full stop - dependant on type of house...
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
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i was 100% trad for 17 years and was fast at it but after nearly 5 years wfp its just easier and faster to pole nearly all my work.
i really cant be bothered to get my ladders off to clean upper windows if i can pole them from the ground.same for most ground floors too. ;D
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i was 100% trad for 17 years and was fast at it but after nearly 5 years wfp its just easier and faster to pole nearly all my work.
i really cant be bothered to get my ladders off to clean upper windows if i can pole them from the ground.same for most ground floors too. ;D
Yeah but remember your old and fat daz! ;D
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I do some car showrooms. I HAD to use WFP this time as I snapped a key in the lock on one of the pointers lol
The time it took me todo half the front was the same time for the whole outside.
However unless it's lower floor. I would rather stick a wasp in my pants then go up ladders full time again. I value my life far more than a clean window.
I used to go up 3 floors regularly off ladders, but no way now. But downstairs and upstairs houses are still easy with a ladder imo, I defo no longer go up 3rd floor anymore, always wfp at that height now.
One thing is almost for sure, downstairs windows are much faster trad, especially patio doors, I get annoyed doing downstairs windows with wfp, it's always awkward and slow, in saying that, I'm not one of those people who do wfp tops and trad bottoms. I either use wfp or trad full stop - dependant on type of house...
I think doors and patio doors would be quicker trad and even some other windows. Just lazy I guess :(
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
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keeps me fit aswel, up and down a ladder and carrying it etc, workout! probs why all you wfp'ers are fat ;)
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keeps me fit aswel, up and down a ladder and carrying it etc, workout! probs why all you wfp'ers are fat ;)
Lol
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I can 2nd that. Im a fat bastood wfper at 17 stone :o
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However,
On standard windows, I find trad is faster, especially with this new squeegee I'm trialling from 'polz & bladz'. I find it's faster because you don't have to stand about rinsing, and scrubbing as much, with trad it's literally seconds on each window. Quick mop and then blade off, wipe sills, done.
February 2015 and we find trad is quicker when using a "new" squeegee, because we don't have to detail. Rock and roll !!!! ;D
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I do a small estate of bungalows & I can whip round with a pointer & wagtail flipper much faster than wfp overall when you take into account van movements, reeling in/out etc.
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I do a small estate of bungalows & I can whip round with a pointer & wagtail flipper much faster than wfp overall when you take into account van movements, reeling in/out etc.
I know you say you dont clean the top frame when you WFP, but do you clean it when you trad ?
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
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I do a small estate of bungalows & I can whip round with a pointer & wagtail flipper much faster than wfp overall when you take into account van movements, reeling in/out etc.
I know you say you dont clean the top frame when you WFP, but do you clean it when you trad ?
No.
Don't get me wrong, if a top frame has masses of cobwebs with leaves stuck in them etc I'll knock them off with a dry brush or butt of pole (turned round of course) but I don't wet the top frame- only in very rare cases.
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I did a new custys bungalow but he really didn't like the wfp.
Normally, I can talk them round but this time I couldn't. They are a very old, very nice couple so I agreed to trad it for them.
Surprisingly, it wasn't that much slower doing it trad and I enjoyed it more too.
A round of 320 bungalows, all done trad...not a bad way to earn a living. :)
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to me using a wfp on a bungalow is just lunacy really, i mean its like using a stairlift to get from the livingroom to the kitchen.
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to me using a wfp on a bungalow is just lunacy really, i mean its like using a stairlift to get from the livingroom to the kitchen.
Well if you don't have WFP equipment it would be.
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to ask you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to ask you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to ask you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
i never used to do frames, but have done the last two years and priced higher. yeah alot of my new work is from walk ups at the moment
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
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to me using a wfp on a bungalow is just lunacy really, i mean its like using a stairlift to get from the livingroom to the kitchen.
Well if you don't have WFP equipment it would be.
lazy or just cant use a blade? ;)
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
there should be more like us i recon, make this place a better place ;) haha. seems to be all about whos got the biggest shiniest equiptment and who makes the most thousands of pounds a week quite alot, and if anybody doesnt have the same kit/methods/greed, oh i mean earnings, then they are inferior lol. some people forget about the people who started with a wooden ladder and a rag years ago and still managed to make a living. if you forget your roots you cant grow any new branches... haha
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to me using a wfp on a bungalow is just lunacy really, i mean its like using a stairlift to get from the livingroom to the kitchen.
Well if you don't have WFP equipment it would be.
lazy or just cant use a blade? ;)
You aren't Aragorn mate. ;D
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
there should be more like us i recon, make this place a better place ;) haha. seems to be all about whos got the biggest shiniest equiptment and who makes the most thousands of pounds a week quite alot, and if anybody doesnt have the same kit/methods/greed, oh i mean earnings, then they are inferior lol. some people forget about the people who started with a wooden ladder and a rag years ago and still managed to make a living. if you forget your roots you cant grow any new branches... haha
Defo, this forum can be right mare at times! I started out walking round my estate with a ladder and bucket etc, never forget ya' roots!
Real men use ladders and squeeges! ;)
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My dad and his dad before him used chamois and scrim. Squeegees are for girls!
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
there should be more like us i recon, make this place a better place ;) haha. seems to be all about whos got the biggest shiniest equiptment and who makes the most thousands of pounds a week quite alot, and if anybody doesnt have the same kit/methods/greed, oh i mean earnings, then they are inferior lol. some people forget about the people who started with a wooden ladder and a rag years ago and still managed to make a living. if you forget your roots you cant grow any new branches... haha
Defo, this forum can be right mare at times! I started out walking round my estate with a ladder and bucket etc, never forget ya' roots!
Real men use ladders and squeeges! ;)
Real men...that leaves you out then ;D
nothing wrong with remembering your roots...as long as they stay memories the idea long ter
is to move forward not keep looking behind you.
Look where your going, not where you have been ;)
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
there should be more like us i recon, make this place a better place ;) haha. seems to be all about whos got the biggest shiniest equiptment and who makes the most thousands of pounds a week quite alot, and if anybody doesnt have the same kit/methods/greed, oh i mean earnings, then they are inferior lol. some people forget about the people who started with a wooden ladder and a rag years ago and still managed to make a living. if you forget your roots you cant grow any new branches... haha
Defo, this forum can be right mare at times! I started out walking round my estate with a ladder and bucket etc, never forget ya' roots!
Real men use ladders and squeeges! ;)
Real men...that leaves you out then ;D
nothing wrong with remembering your roots...as long as they stay memories the idea long ter
is to move forward not keep looking behind you.
Look where your going, not where you have been ;)
Gary can't make up his mind on where his roots come from.
So he uses wfp then uses a blade on the glass ;D
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
there should be more like us i recon, make this place a better place ;) haha. seems to be all about whos got the biggest shiniest equiptment and who makes the most thousands of pounds a week quite alot, and if anybody doesnt have the same kit/methods/greed, oh i mean earnings, then they are inferior lol. some people forget about the people who started with a wooden ladder and a rag years ago and still managed to make a living. if you forget your roots you cant grow any new branches... haha
Defo, this forum can be right mare at times! I started out walking round my estate with a ladder and bucket etc, never forget ya' roots!
Real men use ladders and squeeges! ;)
Real men...that leaves you out then ;D
nothing wrong with remembering your roots...as long as they stay memories the idea long ter
is to move forward not keep looking behind you.
Look where your going, not where you have been ;)
+1 ;D
not getting me up a ladder anyway. they kill people lmao.
I love the feel of doing trad. If I started years ago, I guess I would swear by it...but I started WFP because I am 49 and aint dragging a ladders round at my age
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
If you only use wfp for the odd job, is it surprising that you are quicker trad? Seriously, ask Dazmond's when he first switched. His diary is an eye opener. To begin with he thought he had made a huge mistake as he was so much slower.
In as polite a way as I can put it, you are just plain wrong about trad being quicker. I have watched trad guys work on the houses nearby and I am twice the speed on a 3 bed semi maintence clean.
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At last some comrades in arms. I've been saying that trad is as quick or better on here for the last three years and getting continually slated. Don't get me wrong I love my wfp system and use it on 50% of my work and do believe every window cleaner should have one. Fact is in my opinion most customers prefer trad and to be honest I find it a lot easier on a lot of my jobs.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
fair play mate.its entirely up to you BUT climbing ladders every day is not great esp as you get older.as your a young whippersnapper no probs. :)........unless you have a fall.
i climbed ladders every day for 17 years 100+times a day just to clean upper windows.i thought i was invincible!(its called being young!).the thing is you get complacent after a while.it only takes one slip.ive fell off twice.luckily i was ok apart from a sore back and swollen ankle.
others not so lucky.i know of other window cleaners who have shattered heels,damaged vertabrae in their backs and head injuries.not good. :(
why you would want to climb a ladder to clean a window rather than pole from the ground is beyond me! ;D ;D
how big is your tank?and what poles do you use jakey?
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
there should be more like us i recon, make this place a better place ;) haha. seems to be all about whos got the biggest shiniest equiptment and who makes the most thousands of pounds a week quite alot, and if anybody doesnt have the same kit/methods/greed, oh i mean earnings, then they are inferior lol. some people forget about the people who started with a wooden ladder and a rag years ago and still managed to make a living. if you forget your roots you cant grow any new branches... haha
Defo, this forum can be right mare at times! I started out walking round my estate with a ladder and bucket etc, never forget ya' roots!
Real men use ladders and squeeges! ;)
Real men...that leaves you out then ;D
nothing wrong with remembering your roots...as long as they stay memories the idea long ter
is to move forward not keep looking behind you.
Look where your going, not where you have been ;)
Gary can't make up his mind on where his roots come from.
So he uses wfp then uses a blade on the glass ;D
Ah but sensibly no ladders ;D...Incidently I haven't bladed one window so far this
year ;D
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
The customer is always right????..........that's definitely not the case with window cleaning. Lol.
Either you havnt been cleaning long, or you have been lucky to never meet idiots of customers?
In the majority I work on my terms, not theirs. If they don't like it then they can find another window cleaner.
I must be doing something right as I hardly ever get complaints, and always get recommendations.
Something Ive learned is never let the customer dictate how or when you work. Especially in regards the weather or methods etc.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
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each to their own, but its never the tradders on here moaning this or that is too expensive or broke, or this time of year frozen lol. its a lot cheaper to trad
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"Respect the ladder and it will respect you back."
Daftest ever comment on ciu?
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"Respect the ladder and it will respect you back."
Daftest ever comment on ciu?
note how at the end of the sentence there is a winking face??
normally means it was a joke or not the most serious of statements,
perhaps you dont understand/possess a sense of humour... ;)
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
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You lot who trad bungalows must be really lucky that all your windows are within easy reach.
Every one of my bungalows requires a ladder at some point.
I've got some that are spread out on the same estate with awkward access so i trad them.
After that i move onto bungalows wfp.
It's like day and night if you can't do them faster wfp then stick with it your technique it will improve in time and you'll be so glad you did. ;D
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At last some comrades in arms. I've been saying that trad is as quick or better on here for the last three years and getting continually slated. Don't get me wrong I love my wfp system and use it on 50% of my work and do believe every window cleaner should have one. Fact is in my opinion most customers prefer trad and to be honest I find it a lot easier on a lot of my jobs.
Totally agree!
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i do all frames all the time if i like the customer haha, anyone i dont like or know I do as little as i can get away with
Doing all the frames is a good selling point i think, especially if the competition may not do it. On this note, when i've been cleaning WFP i've had a lot of walk ups to say along the lines of..."oh, i wish my window cleaner would do that, its great, really cleans all your plastics doesn't it ". So i'd like to amsk you, when you're rubbing with your cloth, do you get similar walk ups ?
Don't get me wrong here, because I love my wfp system, but the sheer amount of people that have come up to me when I'm tradding and say 'finally, a real window cleaner, that pole thing is crap' is unreal, I'vepicked up so many customers because they prefer the trad method, and I'll always say trad does the better job done properly. That's my opoion, and I'm a wfp user, so I'm not biased. I just find more people prefer the trade clean over wfp round my area. That's why I say it's essential to master both tecniques!
i agree jakey, i canvassed quite a big round last year and all tbey asked me was ' you aint gonna use one of them poles are you' lol. only wfp'd a week of my life so cant comment greatly, but from the ground i cant see how u can tell if a window is totally clean. and the answer is you cant.
Totally agree, and also 'the customer is always right' so if they prefer trad, then that's that, and I'm happy only using my wfp for high acces and Georgian/lead style windows, saves me money on water etc, with trad you have next to no outgoings, so if you can trad and still get the same work done that you would using wfp all day, then it's a no brainer!
The customer is always right????..........that's definitely not the case with window cleaning. Lol.
Either you havnt been cleaning long, or you have been lucky to never meet idiots of customers?
In the majority I work on my terms, not theirs. If they don't like it then they can find another window cleaner.
I must be doing something right as I hardly ever get complaints, and always get recommendations.
Something Ive learned is never let the customer dictate how or when you work. Especially in regards the weather or methods etc.
Been cleaning 9 years, I pick up so many customers who hate wfp, so in that way, I let them 'be right'
I'm the one laughing when I'm cleaning a nice house and the old wfp bloke is crying cos his pole is stuck up his ass ;D
Lots of people simply will not have wfp, and that's fine cos I love trad as well, so suits me.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Gary is a plonker, a jealous green fat plonker. Fact. ;D
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Ha ha,
Gary can't fit in a closet, he eats to many digestives!
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"Respect the ladder and it will respect you back."
Daftest ever comment on ciu?
How's that a daft comment? It's a tounge in cheek comment, do you have many brain cells hummer? ???
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Oh dear you have fallen for him haven't you ;D
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Ha ha,
Gary can't fit in a closet, he eats to many digestives!
That's not bad for you ;D...I was going to say for you to keep plugging away at it
but we know how sensitive you can be. ;D
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Oh dear you have fallen for him haven't you ;D
Hehe, they remind me of Elton and David. Without the wit, money or adulation of course ;D
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I certainly couldn't have tradded 17 jobs in just over 3 hours, been home for an early lunch and sat on my arse for the last half hour reading this garbage if hadn't changed over to Wfp ;D
I was however a fairly slow meticulous trad window cleaner though, so maybe it it possible it's faster by Terry burrows maybe.
On the flip side of what you've said Jakey, I've had numerous customers ecstatic with the results of wfp cleaning done properly. The tools are only as good as the person using them.
One thing I will admit to, is that the window ledges do start to grey after time with wfp, but the rest of the unit, including the glass comes up much better with a pole ;D ;D
And........ Fight fight fight fight :D
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each to their own, but its never the tradders on here moaning this or that is too expensive or broke, or this time of year frozen lol. its a lot cheaper to trad
Exactly why I am still trad. My personal take is that I don't see why I should have to go out and earn more than I do now to pay for a system that I have no doubt is excellent when all it's working properly in the hands of a competent operator, but needs more maintenance than trad equipment and can potentially paralyze the business when things break. But as Joey quite rightly says; each to their own.
John
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Oh dear you have fallen for him haven't you ;D
Hehe, they remind me of Elton and David. Without the wit, money or adulation of course ;D
Hummer, you say without the wit? Yet were the ones having a laugh, you missunderstood my comment about ladders and respect, for that reason, wit and humour is certainly not on your side my friend... Keep trying though buddy! You'll get there eventually! ::)roll
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each to their own, but its never the tradders on here moaning this or that is too expensive or broke, or this time of year frozen lol. its a lot cheaper to trad
Exactly why I am still trad. My personal take is that I don't see why I should have to go out and earn more than I do now to pay for a system that I have no doubt is excellent when all it's working properly in the hands of a competent operator, but needs more maintenance than trad equipment and can potentially paralyze the business when things break. But as Joey quite rightly says; each to their own.
John
I've done more maintenance on my trad gear than wfp on the last 12 months.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Oh dear you have fallen for him haven't you ;D
Hehe, they remind me of Elton and David. Without the wit, money or adulation of course ;D
Hummer, you say without the wit? Yet were the ones having a laugh, you missunderstood my comment about ladders and respect, for that reason, wit and humour is certainly not on your side my friend... Keep trying though buddy! You'll get there eventually! ::)roll
Ok. Just the money and adulation is missing then. Better? ;D
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
your just mad because your so far in the closet you have fallen through the back panel ;D ;D you take it out on jakey to make yourself feel better when really your crying inside because you cant have him :'( off to work miht get a full day in by the looks of it for a change!
Oh dear you have fallen for him haven't you ;D
Hehe, they remind me of Elton and David. Without the wit, money or adulation of course ;D
Hummer, you say without the wit? Yet were the ones having a laugh, you missunderstood my comment about ladders and respect, for that reason, wit and humour is certainly not on your side my friend... Keep trying though buddy! You'll get there eventually! ::)roll
Ok. Just the money and adulation is missing then. Better? ;D
Never asked for adulation ??? This is a post about why I find trad quicker on some houses? ???
Man your a weird old one aren't you? Have you been spending time over in Chernobyl? Because your brain is really lacking some cells.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
Gary, here's the issue, wfp may be faster for you, because your full of digestives,
My point in the first post was some houses are faster trad. That's my preference and findings, now if you were to use a ladder, it would of course be slower, but thats your opinion, and is that photo on your avatar you? If so, it screams camp gay biscuit eater ;D
You are a jealous lot, funny how the only guys who don't bang on about sexuality is the fit, young, popular, chiseled, envied ones isn't it? Says a lot I think, were the ones laughing, your the ones eating doughnuts looking like johnny Vegas! ;D ;D
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If you think wfp is slower than cleaning windows from ladders, you're doing wfp wrongly.
And yeh, I'm a fit guy; currently training for a 42 mile ultra marathon. Running up 'n' down ladders wouldn't cause me any problems, but two paces to the right, with a wfp and you're at your next window and cleaning.
And when it comes to stuff like big conservatories, trad has no chance.
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If you think wfp is slower than cleaning windows from ladders, you're doing wfp wrongly.
+1
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
Gary, here's the issue, wfp may be faster for you, because your full of digestives,
My point in the first post was some houses are faster trad. That's my preference and findings, now if you were to use a ladder, it would of course be slower, but thats your opinion, and is that photo on your avatar you? If so, it screams camp gay biscuit eater ;D
You are a jealous lot, funny how the only guys who don't bang on about sexuality is the fit, young, popular, chiseled, envied ones isn't it? Says a lot I think, were the ones laughing, your the ones eating doughnuts looking like johnny Vegas! ;D ;D
You think your fit, young, popular and envied do you? Hahahahahahahaha!! You do realise we have seen pics of you?? ;D
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You do realise we have seen pics of you?? ;D
I thought Jake looked very sweet. :)
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You do realise we have seen pics of you?? ;D
I thought Jake looked very sweet. :)
;D
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it is all to do with your SAFETY, we all know what serious damage a fall can cause to yourself and your family if you slip or simply fall from a ladder.
just watch A+E on tv.
he is mainly stating ground floor windows. bigger windows, wash / squeegee off done.
i still trad some bottoms simply because it saves water, especially if all togeather and easy to access.
small windows better to wfp, especially in summer when the sun will show some smears of your wiping with scrim.
looks great when you have finished, go back collecting and you see smears. not with wfp.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
Gary, here's the issue, wfp may be faster for you, because your full of digestives,
My point in the first post was some houses are faster trad. That's my preference and findings, now if you were to use a ladder, it would of course be slower, but thats your opinion, and is that photo on your avatar you? If so, it screams camp gay biscuit eater ;D
You are a jealous lot, funny how the only guys who don't bang on about sexuality is the fit, young, popular, chiseled, envied ones isn't it? Says a lot I think, were the ones laughing, your the ones eating doughnuts looking like johnny Vegas! ;D ;D
Keep trying to get me don't you ;D.....isn't joey enough ;D...I haven't cleaned a house yet
mate that is quicker and more importantly safer on ladders..although I suspect the only ladders you have across are the ones in you tights.
Don't worry about my fitness young lady..i run 3-4 times a week and relatively fit
for a old bleeder :) and if you see me as gay biscuit eater and it gets you off im only
too willing to brighten your day.
Jackie just for you, I am at this moment licking the edge of a chocolate digestive
and rubbing my belly....im sure this will heighten your pleasure later when your
boyfriend is back scuttling you ;D
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Well done jake . You have a wfp set up , but you pick up loads of custys from wfp guys who prefer trad . In a couple of years you will be back 100 % trad ;D ;D.. Now why didn't I think of doing that .
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it is all to do with your SAFETY, we all know what serious damage a fall can cause to yourself and your family if you slip or simply fall from a ladder.
just watch A+E on tv.
he is mainly stating ground floor windows. bigger windows, wash / squeegee off done.
i still trad some bottoms simply because it saves water, especially if all togeather and easy to access.
small windows better to wfp, especially in summer when the sun will show some smears of your wiping with scrim.
looks great when you have finished, go back collecting and you see smears. not with wfp.
Yesterday I did a first clean on a property with a large apexed front porch. There was a window above it, with white UPVC frames. The windows by the customers admission hadn't seen a clean for two years, when the front was painted. The frames were minging, with black runs down the lower corners, and thick dirt at the top.
I used a pole with a damp microfiber cloth on the end to wipe the frames, gave the glass a good soak and squeegeed them off, before detailing with a dry cloth on the end of the pole. I had already told the customer that I couldn't be sure of getting this particuklar window right, with which she was ok.
At this point I was not to know that I was going to be asked to do the insides as well. When I cleaned the inside of the window in question, I could see that the outer glass was perfect. So yes, my friends, you can get excellent results with trad, as I am sure you can with wfp.
John
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Well done jake . You have a wfp set up , but you pick up loads of custys from wfp guys who prefer trad . In a couple of years you will be back 100 % trad ;D ;D.. Now why didn't I think of doing that .
;D ;D ;D
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You do realise we have seen pics of you?? ;D
I thought Jake looked very sweet. :)
;D
You saw pictures and turned into a green eyed monster! Go back to Chernobyl!
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Well done jake . You have a wfp set up , but you pick up loads of custys from wfp guys who prefer trad . In a couple of years you will be back 100 % trad ;D ;D.. Now why didn't I think of doing that .
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Not quite, I just have a mix of the two... I'm the winner there. Those that only wfp will miss out on work. Those that do both will gain a bigger better round, and a better reputation, as offering the choice is far more attractive to customers, and, they are often willing to pay more for the trad way.
Who's the winner, defo not the wfp only guy.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
Gary, here's the issue, wfp may be faster for you, because your full of digestives,
My point in the first post was some houses are faster trad. That's my preference and findings, now if you were to use a ladder, it would of course be slower, but thats your opinion, and is that photo on your avatar you? If so, it screams camp gay biscuit eater ;D
You are a jealous lot, funny how the only guys who don't bang on about sexuality is the fit, young, popular, chiseled, envied ones isn't it? Says a lot I think, were the ones laughing, your the ones eating doughnuts looking like johnny Vegas! ;D ;D
Keep trying to get me don't you ;D.....isn't joey enough ;D...I haven't cleaned a house yet
mate that is quicker and more importantly safer on ladders..although I suspect the only ladders you have across are the ones in you tights.
Don't worry about my fitness young lady..i run 3-4 times a week and relatively fit
for a old bleeder :) and if you see me as gay biscuit eater and it gets you off im only
too willing to brighten your day.
Jackie just for you, I am at this moment licking the edge of a chocolate digestive
and rubbing my belly....im sure this will heighten your pleasure later when your
boyfriend is back scuttling you ;D
Ha ha there you go again, trying to belittle and insult me, when will you Learn you will just never be as good looking as me ;D
You can really tell who the insecure ones are on this forum, you being one of them. Can't say a good thing to better looking lad can you ;D
Your like a bunch of girls who hate the good looking one in school ;D ;D
Stick to the topic of the thread and not my good looks for once! ;D
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Why oh why can't people on here accept that certain jobs can be cleaned quicker trad. The only thing I hate about this forum is people's ignorant attitude towards trad cleaning. Wfp is a wonderful tool which if used properly achieves wonderful results and has definitely improved my business. But having cleaned windows for 27 years there are still times when I recognize that trad is better and or quicker. Also I have some great paying jobs that want them cleaned trad , I would be a fool to let them go through pig ignorance of only being prepared to wfp them. Imo the very best window cleaners can use both to a high standard and be prepared to be a bit flexible when taking on new work.
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Why oh why can't people on here accept that certain jobs can be cleaned quicker trad. The only thing I hate about this forum is people's ignorant attitude towards trad cleaning. Wfp is a wonderful tool which if used properly achieves wonderful results and has definitely improved my business. But having cleaned windows for 27 years there are still times when I recognize that trad is better and or quicker. Also I have some great paying jobs that want them cleaned trad , I would be a fool to let them go through pig ignorance of only being prepared to wfp them. Imo the very best window cleaners can use both to a high standard and be prepared to be a bit flexible when taking on new work.
Thank you J timms - finally someone with some sense. You will never get through to the ignorant on here, unfortunately they will never change.
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Jakey, you're the bestest looking on here by a mile 💕. Except for Joey, of course.
But we've got pictures of you and you've nothing useful to say, so you can go now ;D.
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Why oh why can't people on here accept that certain jobs can be cleaned quicker trad. The only thing I hate about this forum is people's ignorant attitude towards trad cleaning. Wfp is a wonderful tool which if used properly achieves wonderful results and has definitely improved my business. But having cleaned windows for 27 years there are still times when I recognize that trad is better and or quicker. Also I have some great paying jobs that want them cleaned trad , I would be a fool to let them go through pig ignorance of only being prepared to wfp them. Imo the very best window cleaners can use both to a high standard and be prepared to be a bit flexible when taking on new work.
certain types of work can be quicker trad...but trad off ladders is not quicker than
wfp
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
Gary, here's the issue, wfp may be faster for you, because your full of digestives,
My point in the first post was some houses are faster trad. That's my preference and findings, now if you were to use a ladder, it would of course be slower, but thats your opinion, and is that photo on your avatar you? If so, it screams camp gay biscuit eater ;D
You are a jealous lot, funny how the only guys who don't bang on about sexuality is the fit, young, popular, chiseled, envied ones isn't it? Says a lot I think, were the ones laughing, your the ones eating doughnuts looking like johnny Vegas! ;D ;D
Keep trying to get me don't you ;D.....isn't joey enough ;D...I haven't cleaned a house yet
mate that is quicker and more importantly safer on ladders..although I suspect the only ladders you have across are the ones in you tights.
Don't worry about my fitness young lady..i run 3-4 times a week and relatively fit
for a old bleeder :) and if you see me as gay biscuit eater and it gets you off im only
too willing to brighten your day.
Jackie just for you, I am at this moment licking the edge of a chocolate digestive
and rubbing my belly....im sure this will heighten your pleasure later when your
boyfriend is back scuttling you ;D
Ha ha there you go again, trying to belittle and insult me, when will you Learn you will just never be as good looking as me ;D
You can really tell who the insecure ones are on this forum, you being one of them. Can't say a good thing to better looking lad can you ;D
Your like a bunch of girls who hate the good looking one in school ;D ;D
Stick to the topic of the thread and not my good looks for once! ;D
whose trying to belittle you....only you seem to be obsessed by how you look.I haven't mentioned your looks ???
that may be of interest to your boyfriend but not me ;D
Get a grip kid ;D
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Why oh why can't people on here accept that certain jobs can be cleaned quicker trad. The only thing I hate about this forum is people's ignorant attitude towards trad cleaning. Wfp is a wonderful tool which if used properly achieves wonderful results and has definitely improved my business. But having cleaned windows for 27 years there are still times when I recognize that trad is better and or quicker. Also I have some great paying jobs that want them cleaned trad , I would be a fool to let them go through pig ignorance of only being prepared to wfp them. Imo the very best window cleaners can use both to a high standard and be prepared to be a bit flexible when taking on new work.
certain types of work can be quicker trad...but trad off ladders is not quicker than
wfp
That's what I mean by pig ignorance. I have work that is quicker off laddes :)
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Why oh why can't people on here accept that certain jobs can be cleaned quicker trad. The only thing I hate about this forum is people's ignorant attitude towards trad cleaning. Wfp is a wonderful tool which if used properly achieves wonderful results and has definitely improved my business. But having cleaned windows for 27 years there are still times when I recognize that trad is better and or quicker. Also I have some great paying jobs that want them cleaned trad , I would be a fool to let them go through pig ignorance of only being prepared to wfp them. Imo the very best window cleaners can use both to a high standard and be prepared to be a bit flexible when taking on new work.
certain types of work can be quicker trad...but trad off ladders is not quicker than
wfp
That's what I mean by pig ignorance. I have work that is quicker off laddes :)
No pig ignorance is what you wrote in your reply ;D...okay just for you...personally I have
no work that is quicker trad which requires ladders or safer(should of stated first time)
than using WFP. :)
To add i don't want work trad that would require ladders especially if its from
the demands of a customer which snitch and snatch adhere to with the customers
always right attitude ;D..i personally find I would be a fool to take on work which
I hate or for few extra pennies risk my health because of the demands of others
Never mind pig ignorance...I call that stupidity...
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Jakey, you're the bestest looking on here by a mile . Except for Joey, of course.
But we've got pictures of you and you've nothing useful to say, so you can go now ;D.
Talk about self obsessed ;D
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i find that trad can be quicker on some windows and wfp can be quicker on others , best to be able to do both . i must say i do like the results better doing it trad..... but its a numbers game and less energy and time doing it wfp generally.
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Gary I use trad more than pole, pole is used for high work and Georgian windows, woman use wfp for every house ;D
Duncan, ladders only kill people if they don't take adequate care, respect the ladder and it will respect you back ;)
Oh the naivety of youth ;D...wfp in general is less hard work,quicker, long term
profitable...as for being a real man...when you stop trying to prove you are one your knackers have dropped, gained a bit more experience of life and stop denying your sexuality
you might just get there ;D
Gary, here's the issue, wfp may be faster for you, because your full of digestives,
My point in the first post was some houses are faster trad. That's my preference and findings, now if you were to use a ladder, it would of course be slower, but thats your opinion, and is that photo on your avatar you? If so, it screams camp gay biscuit eater ;D
You are a jealous lot, funny how the only guys who don't bang on about sexuality is the fit, young, popular, chiseled, envied ones isn't it? Says a lot I think, were the ones laughing, your the ones eating doughnuts looking like johnny Vegas! ;D ;D
Keep trying to get me don't you ;D.....isn't joey enough ;D...I haven't cleaned a house yet
mate that is quicker and more importantly safer on ladders..although I suspect the only ladders you have across are the ones in you tights.
Don't worry about my fitness young lady..i run 3-4 times a week and relatively fit
for a old bleeder :) and if you see me as gay biscuit eater and it gets you off im only
too willing to brighten your day.
Jackie just for you, I am at this moment licking the edge of a chocolate digestive
and rubbing my belly....im sure this will heighten your pleasure later when your
boyfriend is back scuttling you ;D
Ha ha there you go again, trying to belittle and insult me, when will you Learn you will just never be as good looking as me ;D
You can really tell who the insecure ones are on this forum, you being one of them. Can't say a good thing to better looking lad can you ;D
Your like a bunch of girls who hate the good looking one in school ;D ;D
Stick to the topic of the thread and not my good looks for once! ;D
whose trying to belittle you....only you seem to be obsessed by how you look.I haven't mentioned your looks ???
that may be of interest to your boyfriend but not me ;D
Get a grip kid ;D
Now come on, show some respect. Else the ladder won't respect you. Or something.
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my god, one full day at work and iv missed all your soggy, un-funny, boring comments....
and thats just hummer ;)
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come off it every time your name is mentioned you get a little
thrill ;D
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my god, one full day at work and iv missed all your soggy, un-funny, boring comments....
and thats just hummer ;)
Ha ha! Hunmer is probably the worst at banter on the forum, he's been in Chernobyl, so is a few cells short of most. Bless him.
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come off it every time your name is mentioned you get a little
thrill ;D
Gary you still being insecure? You've already been called ignorant, and I'm going to say it again, your ignorant!
You and your poles, so far up your ass you can't swallow! ;D
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Jakey, you're the bestest looking on here by a mile 💕. Except for Joey, of course.
But we've got pictures of you and you've nothing useful to say, so you can go now ;D.
I can't go, every forum needs a super star griff ;D ;D ;D
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Real men use ladders.
Sent from my hospital bed
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
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I will have to admit if your quick at trading then it can be quicker then poling.
I was purely trad for 7 years and got very quick at it. Maybe because I'm young, 29 now, been window cleaning since I was 18.
I use to absolutely slate wfp to my customers, only because I couldn't afford It at the time haha.
Once I was a bit more flush I decided to give it a go and havnt looked back.
Although I can trad quicker then I can pole I Purley use the pole out of personal choice now. I find it more professional, safer and if used correctly does a better job.
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Real men use ladders.
Sent from my hospital bed
Yep, or atleast have the option and not be ignorant on wfp being the only way. Like hummer and Gary!
There are millions using ladders who never have an issue!
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Real men use ladders.
Wfp obviously has it's pros! But can beat a doing it trad way! Gotta say agree with jakey on this point!
Sent from my hospital bed
Yep, or atleast have the option and not be ignorant on wfp being the only way. Like hummer and Gary!
There are millions using ladders who never have an issue!
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1423146266_149268d443e347c9974186ad7342f51d_zps0d709861.jpg)
Get on this one jakey boy. ;D
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Real men use ladders.
Sent from my hospital bed
Yep, or atleast have the option and not be ignorant on wfp being the only way. Like hummer and Gary!
There are millions using ladders who never have an issue!
:) . Yeah, I did 14 years on the ladders. Although I never had a bad accident, I did have a couple of very near misses - either of which could have maimed or killed me. I was fortunate that I ended up with relatively minor cuts and bruises. I switched to WFP shortly after the second incident. I had been considering it for a while and that nudged me into it. Nine years on I am unused to ladders. I do carry one for the odd bit of flat roof access but that's all. As poles have got lighter, I bridge over flat roofs rather than climbing onto them - though sometimes that's not possible.
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
What you actually said was that on standard windows trad is quicker. That's nonsense. I can see on a first clean trad may be quicker, but if you later WFP it, you still have to clean it twice as trad won't clean the frames deep enough. On a one off minger trad might be quicker I would accept.
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
:-\
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
What you actually said was that on standard windows trad is quicker. That's nonsense. I can see on a first clean trad may be quicker, but if you later WFP it, you still have to clean it twice as trad won't clean the frames deep enough. On a one off minger trad might be quicker I would accept.
I would agree mostly with the above 8weekly I cant see trad being the same
speed or quicker if you take a like for like clean especially with depth of clean you
can get with wfp.
I clean some real mingers I turn the flow up or better still I plug into customers
tap if available and blast away whether brush gets caked in crap is irrelevant
it barely slows me down from a normal clean...and it is physically less hardwork
and defo safer.
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
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Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with talking about me in a sexual way. Are you incapable of talking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
And... Why are you talking about me in the shower? Leave your gay thoughts to your self pal.
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
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Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
im up for a race, same sized house both from the same starting point, by the time kit was ready and hoses reeled out etc id be half done ;) lol. your not allowed an unrivaled opinion here jakey, if someone says something and no 'buiscuit muncher' or know (fack) it all questions it then the forum crashes ;)
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
im up for a race, same sized house both from the same starting point, by the time kit was ready and hoses reeled out etc id be half done ;) lol. your not allowed an unrivaled opinion here jakey, if someone says something and no 'buiscuit muncher' or know (fack) it all questions it then the forum crashes ;)
I think trad would win ;)
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im up for a race, same sized house both from the same starting point, by the time kit was ready and hoses reeled out etc id be half done ;) lol.
No, mate. By the time you get your ladders off, bucket out, belt kit on, I'm on the glass. I've only got to open my back doors, then walk to the property with pole and hose.
Don't worry, the speed will come, mate, just keep plugging away and put some thought into how you can make the jobs you do quicker and easier.
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
http://youtu.be/6vXV1zhmVao
Your turn to show us a video. :)
Place your bets now.....
I bet you won't show us your "skills".
;D
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
:-\
Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
The windows were filthy and disgusting, and hummer is the same just dirt. Nothing sexual about that!
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im up for a race, same sized house both from the same starting point, by the time kit was ready and hoses reeled out etc id be half done ;) lol.
No, mate. By the time you get your ladders off, bucket out, belt kit on, I'm on the glass. I've only got to open my back doors, then walk to the property with pole and hose.
Don't worry, the speed will come, mate, just keep plugging away and put some thought into how you can make the jobs you do quicker and easier.
Err tosh, I think you'll find joey doesn't use wfp...
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im up for a race, same sized house both from the same starting point, by the time kit was ready and hoses reeled out etc id be half done ;) lol.
No, mate. By the time you get your ladders off, bucket out, belt kit on, I'm on the glass. I've only got to open my back doors, then walk to the property with pole and hose.
Don't worry, the speed will come, mate, just keep plugging away and put some thought into how you can make the jobs you do quicker and easier.
no mate, dont wear a belt, im not homosexual, and my ladders are off in 20seconds and bucket is in passenger footwell, i would beat you hands down doing a proper job that is, your probably very quick at doing a bodge job, keep plugging away one day you will do it right ;D
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im up for a race, same sized house both from the same starting point, by the time kit was ready and hoses reeled out etc id be half done ;) lol.
No, mate. By the time you get your ladders off, bucket out, belt kit on, I'm on the glass. I've only got to open my back doors, then walk to the property with pole and hose.
Don't worry, the speed will come, mate, just keep plugging away and put some thought into how you can make the jobs you do quicker and easier.
no mate, dont wear a belt, im not homosexual, and my ladders are off in 20seconds and bucket is in passenger footwell, i would beat you hands down doing a proper job that is, your probably very quick at doing a bodge job, keep plugging away one day you will do it right ;D
Exactly!
I also don't wear all those stupid gadgets. Blade and applicator with ladder and scrim. Nothing else.
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You hero...
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
http://youtu.be/6vXV1zhmVao
Your turn to show us a video. :)
Place your bets now.....
I bet you won't show us your "skills".
;D
That's a bodge job Jonny. Plus as I said its certain houses that are quicker trad, not this type, I said normal windows without squares or double paynes with dividers etx. I use my wfp for that type of window.
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Err tosh, I think you'll find joey doesn't use wfp...
Ah, I see, so he's feeling inadequate. He's probably feeling a bit daft with his ladders on a pram, watching guys with flash vans zoom past him.
But as soon as he can afford a system, he'll be doing it.
We used to have these discussions with Squeaky - and he reckoned he was faster trad than we were with a wfp.
He's been using wfp for a few years now. ;D
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You hero...
i can be your hero baby, i can kiss away your pain :-*p
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I also don't wear all those stupid gadgets. Blade and applicator with ladder and scrim. Nothing else.
I found a scraper came in handy.
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Don't i'm getting aroused now...
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I also don't wear all those stupid gadgets. Blade and applicator with ladder and scrim. Nothing else.
I found a scraper came in handy.
Scrapers in the bum bag,
Love to see a wfp guy get stuck with hard stains. Trad dominates then too. Hate it when I'm using the wfp and there's a hard mark that won't come off. Another point to trad... ;D
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Err tosh, I think you'll find joey doesn't use wfp...
Ah, I see, so he's feeling inadequate. He's probably feeling a bit daft with his ladders on a pram, watching guys with flash vans zoom past him.
But as soon as he can afford a system, he'll be doing it.
We used to have these discussions with Squeaky - and he reckoned he was faster trad than we were with a wfp.
He's been using wfp for a few years now. ;D
i have a van with adequate room for a tank if need be, i have never said i wont ever be wfp, because chances are i will be, chances are my expenses will go up after i do, il probs loose a lot of customers because so e of my rounds where established by my old company since 1990 and always been done trad.
as for cant afford it, i went on holiday to burkina faso and greece last year, each holiday the cost of a wfp set up..... lol. im 25 with a house, wife, 2 cars, 2 kids, van, certainly not skint mate.
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I also don't wear all those stupid gadgets. Blade and applicator with ladder and scrim. Nothing else.
I found a scraper came in handy.
Scrapers in the bum bag,
Love to see a wfp guy get stuck with hard stains. Trad dominates then too. Hate it when I'm using the wfp and there's a hard mark that won't come off. Another point to trad... ;D
that baked on, solid bird poo, nightmare with a scraper when its infront of your face let alone 20foot up.... lol
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Err tosh, I think you'll find joey doesn't use wfp...
Ah, I see, so he's feeling inadequate. He's probably feeling a bit daft with his ladders on a pram, watching guys with flash vans zoom past him.
But as soon as he can afford a system, he'll be doing it.
We used to have these discussions with Squeaky - and he reckoned he was faster trad than we were with a wfp.
He's been using wfp for a few years now. ;D
i have a van with adequate room for a tank if need be, i have never said i wont ever be wfp, because chances are i will be, chances are my expenses will go up after i do, il probs loose a lot of customers because so e of my rounds where established by my old company since 1990 and always been done trad.
as for cant afford it, i went on holiday to burkina faso and greece last year, each holiday the cost of a wfp set up..... lol. im 25 with a house, wife, 2 cars, 2 kids, van, certainly not skint mate.
Well said. I'm 26, off to New York in March. Bought a second hand wfp setup, no way I'd have bought new, holidays much better! Found wfp good, but still do 50% of work trad. Gets me more customers as many hate wfp. Means I can price higher for the trad service. Saves me loads of money on water, I only use about 750l a month ! A small bucket with trad gear is ridiculously cheap.
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Err tosh, I think you'll find joey doesn't use wfp...
Ah, I see, so he's feeling inadequate. He's probably feeling a bit daft with his ladders on a pram, watching guys with flash vans zoom past him.
But as soon as he can afford a system, he'll be doing it.
We used to have these discussions with Squeaky - and he reckoned he was faster trad than we were with a wfp.
He's been using wfp for a few years now. ;D
i have a van with adequate room for a tank if need be, i have never said i wont ever be wfp, because chances are i will be, chances are my expenses will go up after i do, il probs loose a lot of customers because so e of my rounds where established by my old company since 1990 and always been done trad.
as for cant afford it, i went on holiday to burkina faso and greece last year, each holiday the cost of a wfp set up..... lol. im 25 with a house, wife, 2 cars, 2 kids, van, certainly not skint mate.
Well said. I'm 26, off to New York in March. Bought a second hand wfp setup, no way I'd have bought new, holidays much better! Found wfp good, but still do 50% of work trad. Gets me more customers as many hate wfp. Means I can price higher for the trad service. Saves me loads of money on water, I only use about 750l a month ! A small bucket with trad gear is ridiculously cheap.
exactly, £150 and you have got a set of ladders, bucket and all your gear. a days work and expenses are... 25p a day soap plus fuel lol
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Err tosh, I think you'll find joey doesn't use wfp...
Ah, I see, so he's feeling inadequate. He's probably feeling a bit daft with his ladders on a pram, watching guys with flash vans zoom past him.
But as soon as he can afford a system, he'll be doing it.
We used to have these discussions with Squeaky - and he reckoned he was faster trad than we were with a wfp.
He's been using wfp for a few years now. ;D
i have a van with adequate room for a tank if need be, i have never said i wont ever be wfp, because chances are i will be, chances are my expenses will go up after i do, il probs loose a lot of customers because so e of my rounds where established by my old company since 1990 and always been done trad.
as for cant afford it, i went on holiday to burkina faso and greece last year, each holiday the cost of a wfp set up..... lol. im 25 with a house, wife, 2 cars, 2 kids, van, certainly not skint mate.
Well said. I'm 26, off to New York in March. Bought a second hand wfp setup, no way I'd have bought new, holidays much better! Found wfp good, but still do 50% of work trad. Gets me more customers as many hate wfp. Means I can price higher for the trad service. Saves me loads of money on water, I only use about 750l a month ! A small bucket with trad gear is ridiculously cheap.
exactly, £150 and you have got a set of ladders, bucket and all your gear. a days work and expenses are... 25p a day soap plus fuel lol
That's why you get so many doleys doing it.
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
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after i do, il probs loose a lot of customers because so e of my rounds where established by my old company since 1990 and always been done trad.
So fear is stopping you from going wfp? Overcome it. I think I lost two customers, maybe three, when we changed over.
Most customers don't care as long as their windows are cleaned. Others took an interest and asked me about it.
Now, the vast majority of window cleaners around my way are wfp; I don't even explain it any more.
Oh, and recently I was asked to quote for a factory unit because they actually wanted someone who used it and their window cleaner who wouldn't convert got the 'chop chop'. This company does a lot of 'working at height' and they didn't want a window cleaner on ladders, when they themselves are so safety conscious.
From that one job, I picked up another two factory units, making my total there five of them.
WFP is the way ahead. Don't be frightened about converting over.
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
+1
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
are you stupid. seriously have u read anything on this thread? i was called poor so defended myself...
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Each to their own .
I'm mostly Wfp , all commercial are Wfp , and majority of tops of houses .
I do trad a few houses downstairs .
And maybe do about 20 full houses trad still .
The Bonus is we have a choice to Wfp or trad , which Is good .
There's certainly advantages in being Trad and Wfp .
Just be happy with either , everyone decides what they want to do . Simple ..both are good methods
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after i do, il probs loose a lot of customers because so e of my rounds where established by my old company since 1990 and always been done trad.
So fear is stopping you from going wfp? Overcome it. I think I lost two customers, maybe three, when we changed over.
Most customers don't care as long as their windows are cleaned. Others took an interest and asked me about it.
Now, the vast majority of window cleaners around my way are wfp; I don't even explain it any more.
Oh, and recently I was asked to quote for a factory unit because they actually wanted someone who used it and their window cleaner who wouldn't convert got the 'chop chop'. This company does a lot of 'working at height' and they didn't want a window cleaner on ladders, when they themselves are so safety conscious.
From that one job, I picked up another two factory units, making my total there five of them.
WFP is the way ahead. Don't be frightened about converting over.
well done :) no its not that at all, if it got to the point where i had to i would, but i dont. i enjoy ladder work to be honest, i earn a good wage and the guy who works for me part time is actually older than me, i do better than most my age. if my health suffered or i had a fall id be straight on it, or if i thought id earn substantially more, but tbh i wouldnt
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
are you stupid. seriously have u read anything on this thread? i was called poor so defended myself...
Seem to remember someone nearly crying when hummer had a pop at his intelligence...
Yep i've read the thread mate, rise above it...be the bigger man
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
are you stupid. seriously have u read anything on this thread? i was called poor so defended myself...
Seem to remember someone nearly crying when hummer had a pop at his intelligence...
Yep i've read the thread mate, rise above it...be the bigger man
i think someone was on the same trip to chernobyll with old bummer to be honest.
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what about a bucket on a belt?you ll be telling us you carry your blade and mop in your hand while your climbing your ladder! ::)roll ;D
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
are you stupid. seriously have u read anything on this thread? i was called poor so defended myself...
Seem to remember someone nearly crying when hummer had a pop at his intelligence...
Yep i've read the thread mate, rise above it...be the bigger man
i think someone was on the same trip to chernobyll with old bummer to be honest.
Seems that way
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Don't i'm getting aroused now...
God, don't tell jakey that. All kinds of fantasies will enter his dirty little mind. Little being the operative word. He's already admitted to thinking about me all dirty and in scrubbed.
He's not just diminutive in size, but in intelligence too. ;D
(Btw jakey, diminutive means small :D)
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what about a bucket on a belt?you ll be telling us you carry your blade and mop in your hand while your climbing your ladder! ::)roll ;D
Yeah that's what I've always done, stupid belts are for girls ; ;D
I hate the belts with buckets on, there a hindrance. In the way, annoying, leak everywhere, bash against gates, get van wet bla bla
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*yawn*
Ok mate, you win...keep arguing and throwing juvenile insults (not just you to be fair)to everyone just because the mean people wont listen...
I'll carry on not giving a cr@p what people i dont know think of me and carry on doing what i do :)
Enjoy
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Don't i'm getting aroused now...
God, don't tell jakey that. All kinds of fantasies will enter his dirty little mind. Little being the operative word. He's already admitted to thinking about me all dirty and in scrubbed.
He's not just diminutive in size, but in intelligence too. ;D
(Btw jakey, diminutive means small :D)
There you go again! Reading through the posts your the one with the sexual references and dirty mind. That's a fact. Your a sick twisted man!
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There's certainly advantages in being Trad and Wfp .
No, mate, this bloke who fell 10 feet from a ladder will explain to you why you're very wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufXmHxoHuw
He paralysed himself - from just a 10 foot fall remember - from the waist down. His wife left him, taking their two kids. He spent five months in rehab, learning how to use a wheelchair, how to manage his bowels (he basically has to stick fingers into his bottom and pull the poo out) and other such life-adjustments.
He went off the rails for a while and hit the booze.
Now he gives very powerful health and safety talks on the impact that falling 10 foot from a ladder has had on his life.
Now don't encourage people who mightn't be very bright to go chucking themselves around a house on ladders because they think they're quicker than some guy with a wfp.
Watch him; he should make anyone who works from a ladder think about how they work.
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
are you stupid. seriously have u read anything on this thread? i was called poor so defended myself...
There's nothing wrong with being poor, there's lots of schemes to help you out there? Or you could go into business with jakey, I hear there's plenty of call for rich, tax return brandishing, intelligent, window cleaning nice boys in certain parts of London?
Just trying to help. ;)
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
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Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
Irritating? IRRATATING? How dare you! >:( ;D
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
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Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
Irritating? IRRATATING? How dare you! >:( ;D
how embarrasing, the guy whos bandwagon you just jumped on insulted you earlier behind your back. take the hint pal, by the way well done on your first post that isnt insulting or reffering to your obviously supressed homosexuality
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so BOAB are for girls now! ::)roll
seriously you guys are a bit immature and eh....foolish........you ll learn in time.your just suffering from the arrogance of youth!! ;D ;D
i know as i was the same once!! ;D
joey your customers WILL NOT leave you in droves when you go wfp.its a myth.i lost about 3 or 4 customers but ive picked up SHEDLOADS MORE better paying jobs in the last 4 years WFP.
your earnings will rise due to getting round your work easier and quicker.you ll pick up better paying jobs.even with the extra expense you ll still be quids in compared to tradding all your work after a few years. ;)
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your missing the point dazmond, i dont need to earn more i probably earn the same an hour as you do so money is not the issue, i dont need to change so i wont for now i dont want the extra hassle and expense, a lot of the houses i do are on closes where dragging a hose around the back would be UTTERLY ridiculous. i do a round of detached houses with flat roofs on the front, one ladder climb and i can do 4 top windows. i have a week of retirement bungalows, out of principle i wouldnt drag hoses around thier feet as they are a friendly bunch. it simply isnt a necessity to me, why doesnt any one get that?
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so BOAB are for girls now! ::)roll
seriously you guys are a bit immature and eh....foolish........you ll learn in time.your just suffering from the arrogance of youth!! ;D ;D
i know as i was the same once!! ;D
joey your customers WILL NOT leave you in droves when you go wfp.its a myth.i lost about 3 or 4 customers but ive picked up SHEDLOADS MORE better paying jobs in the last 4 years WFP.
your earnings will rise due to getting round your work easier and quicker.you ll pick up better paying jobs.even with the extra expense you ll still be quids in compared to tradding all your work after a few years. ;)
Daz it's a joke my friend, keep with it ;D
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i have a round where im there 2 days and the vast majority of the houses have no rear access apart from thru the garage, i go over the garage and take my ladderd over. would be a nightmare with a pole agree? theres another 2 days of my work that would be a pain in the arse wfp
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it simply isnt a necessity to me, why doesnt any one get that?
Because most of us started off trad and then progressed to wfp.
We know - though experience, what's better.
And have a listen to this bloke, he was about your age when he paralysed himself falling off a ladder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufXmHxoHuw
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the lad that works with me doesnt drive, and often hes in a different area to me 5miles away, do they do a 5mile hose and reel big enough so i can drop him off and get some peace n quiet on another round?
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Thats my point mate...i wasnt having a pop at you for being trad!!
Fair play to you, you're good & happy at trad...i get that!!!
Good on you!
My point was, whats the point in turning it into a cock contest?!?!
You wouldn't carry on smashing your head against a brick wall (i hope) so why carry on now?!?!
You seem a sound lad (jakey come across as about 3years old though) and up for laugh, dont degrade yourself!!
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i have a round where im there 2 days and the vast majority of the houses have no rear access apart from thru the garage, i go over the garage and take my ladderd over. would be a nightmare with a pole agree? theres another 2 days of my work that would be a pain in the arse wfp
Yeah that's another advantage of trad, easy to hop over gates garages etc. plus much easier doing window on flat roofs.
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i have a round where im there 2 days and the vast majority of the houses have no rear access apart from thru the garage, i go over the garage and take my ladderd over. would be a nightmare with a pole agree? theres another 2 days of my work that would be a pain in the arse wfp
You just bin this kind of work and get bigger 'n' better stuff.
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it simply isnt a necessity to me, why doesnt any one get that?
Because most of us started off trad and then progressed to wfp.
We know - though experience, what's better.
And have a listen to this bloke, he was about your age when he paralysed himself falling off a ladder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufXmHxoHuw
tosh, yes there's danger but millions use ladders daily with no issues, if you take due care, you will be fine.
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Thats my point mate...i wasnt having a pop at you for being trad!!
Fair play to you, you're good & happy at trad...i get that!!!
Good on you!
My point was, whats the point in turning it into a cock contest?!?!
You wouldn't carry on smashing your head against a brick wall (i hope) so why carry on now?!?!
You seem a sound lad (jakey come across as about 3years old though) and up for laugh, dont degrade yourself!!
Based on what? More accurate to say hummer is 3, he's been to Chernobyl and that's caused immature, homophobic comments by the dozen
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
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tosh, yes there's danger but millions use ladders daily with no issues, if you take due care, you will be fine.
If you're fast cleaning windows from a ladder, you will be chucking yourself around the windows, over-reaching, and taking short-cuts; that's not taking 'due care'.
Bad weather, a cold, a hangover, feeling under par, tired and it's just an accident waiting to happen.
I know because I've done it.
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
I think i was still at school when i still cracked 'your a gay' jokes, and ususlly only because i didn't have any other come back...
Thats and what gary put above is what its based on
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tosh, yes there's danger but millions use ladders daily with no issues, if you take due care, you will be fine.
If you're fast cleaning windows from a ladder, you will be chucking yourself around the windows, over-reaching, and taking short-cuts; that's not taking 'due care'.
Bad weather, a cold, a hangover, feeling under par, tired and it's just an accident waiting to happen.
I know because I've done it.
And your still here for and healthy ;D
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
I think i was still at school when i still cracked 'your a gay' jokes, and ususlly only because i didn't have any other come back...
Thats and what gary put above is what its based on
Ha ha, you wanna read some of the comments they've said referring to the term 'gay'
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
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Thats like saying, 'well he murdered someone so why cant i?!?!'
Mate most on the off topic section know hummers a bit of a dong sometimes ( ;D) do you really feel the need to do the same?
And dont listen to chunks, he's the biggest eeejit of them all!!!
I mean who in there right mind supports villa?!?! ???
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Thats like saying, 'well he murdered someone so why cant i?!?!'
Mate most on the off topic section know hummers a bit of a dong sometimes ( ;D) do you really feel the need to do the same?
And dont listen to chunks, he's the biggest eeejit of them all!!!
I mean who in there right mind supports villa?!?! ???
Lol, just joining in ;D I didn't know hummer was a renowned plonker
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
Shush. Him and clint are blowing each other. Tho they are rich and intelligent..... You can see they're tax returns if you like? ;D
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
;D
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
:-\
Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
Irritating? IRRATATING? How dare you! >:( ;D
how embarrasing, the guy whos bandwagon you just jumped on insulted you earlier behind your back. take the hint pal, by the way well done on your first post that isnt insulting or reffering to your obviously supressed homosexuality
Keep digging. You just look even more stupid.....and I'm
Laughing even more at you. ;D
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Thats like saying, 'well he murdered someone so why cant i?!?!'
Mate most on the off topic section know hummers a bit of a dong sometimes ( ;D) do you really feel the need to do the same?
And dont listen to chunks, he's the biggest eeejit of them all!!!
I mean who in there right mind supports villa?!?! ???
Some one who isn't daft enough to support Derby ;D
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
Shush. Him and clint are blowing each other. Tho they are rich and intelligent..... You can see they're tax returns if you like? ;D
You are obsessed with us aren't you hummer!
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Thats my point mate...i wasnt having a pop at you for being trad!!
Fair play to you, you're good & happy at trad...i get that!!!
Good on you!
My point was, whats the point in turning it into a cock contest?!?!
You wouldn't carry on smashing your head against a brick wall (i hope) so why carry on now?!?!
You seem a sound lad (jakey come across as about 3years old though) and up for laugh, dont degrade yourself!!
i told you i got called skint so i defended myself.... nothing more nothing less
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Thats like saying, 'well he murdered someone so why cant i?!?!'
Mate most on the off topic section know hummers a bit of a dong sometimes ( ;D) do you really feel the need to do the same?
And dont listen to chunks, he's the biggest eeejit of them all!!!
I mean who in there right mind supports villa?!?! ???
Some one who isn't daft enough to support Derby ;D
;D
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i have a round where im there 2 days and the vast majority of the houses have no rear access apart from thru the garage, i go over the garage and take my ladderd over. would be a nightmare with a pole agree? theres another 2 days of my work that would be a pain in the arse wfp
You just bin this kind of work and get bigger 'n' better stuff.
bin 2 full days of loyal customers because of what... iv changed to a method of cleaning thats not compatible with their houses.. EXACTLY WHY I WILL STAY TRAD 4 NOW
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
:-\
Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
Irritating? IRRATATING? How dare you! >:( ;D
how embarrasing, the guy whos bandwagon you just jumped on insulted you earlier behind your back. take the hint pal, by the way well done on your first post that isnt insulting or reffering to your obviously supressed homosexuality
Keep digging. You just look even more stupid.....and I'm
Laughing even more at you. ;D
you might be laughing at me...
but 4 out of the 5 in this thread are laughing at you
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
:-\
Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
Irritating? IRRATATING? How dare you! >:( ;D
how embarrasing, the guy whos bandwagon you just jumped on insulted you earlier behind your back. take the hint pal, by the way well done on your first post that isnt insulting or reffering to your obviously supressed homosexuality
Keep digging. You just look even more stupid.....and I'm
Laughing even more at you. ;D
you might be laughing at me...
but 4 out of the 5 in this thread are laughimg at you
No. Just you and your man friend :)
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
Shush. Him and clint are blowing each other. Tho they are rich and intelligent..... You can see they're tax returns if you like? ;D
You are obsessed with us aren't you hummer!
Awww. Us. Do you finish each others sentences too?? This is too funny....and you and clint really aren't helping yourselves ;D
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
:-\
Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
Irritating? IRRATATING? How dare you! >:( ;D
how embarrasing, the guy whos bandwagon you just jumped on insulted you earlier behind your back. take the hint pal, by the way well done on your first post that isnt insulting or reffering to your obviously supressed homosexuality
Keep digging. You just look even more stupid.....and I'm
Laughing even more at you. ;D
you might be laughing at me...
but 4 out of the 5 in this thread are laughimg at you
No. Just you and your man friend :)
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you missed out the guy who callled you irritating for a start. not in a joking way he genuinely called you irritating after you tried to side with him. epic fail, p off mate your embarrasing yourself, your like the annoying kid at school who has no atributes but to try be funny, gets boring real quick
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Off now to socialise with the real world, good luck hummer, Chernobyl has really got you. Poor bugger.
Your a jealous sad man.
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Off now to socialise with the real world, good luck hummer, Chernobyl has really got you. Poor bugger.
Your a jealous sad man.
take it easy mate, speak in the week on the next thread somebody hijacks because their life is so bad they have to get into an argument to spice it up, lol.
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
Shush. Him and clint are blowing each other. Tho they are rich and intelligent..... You can see they're tax returns if you like? ;D
You are obsessed with us aren't you hummer!
Awww. Us. Do you finish each others sentences too?? This is too funny....and you and clint really aren't helping yourselves ;D
good luck finding a life, see you on the next thread where somebody you think likes you insults you and you try to swerve it when it gets mentioned haha
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Everyone just work the way they want to .
Take advice and learn from others .
But persons should appreciate how persons work .
We're all different and have different needs and work methods
Yes, I agree, but that's not the discussion here.
But wfp is still faster for the vast majority of external window cleaning.
If someone isn't finding that is it, they're doing it wrong.
It's also easier too.
I think it the windows are particular dirty, especially the upstairs, then trad is quicker, today I did a new house which was filthy and disgusting. A bit like hummer. Anyway, there was no way wfp was going to be quicker, the brush would have been cakes in crap, and trad was by far the easier option. I could wipe the frames and then do the window quickly with a very good result, wfp would have left spotting due to how dirty it was around the frames etc. wfp could of worked but I know from expirence it would have taken longer,
I would love you race a wfp guy on certain houses and compare results!
Remember at the beginning I stated that I find trad quicker on 'some houses' not all.
Aww thanks for the mention. Sadly I don't swing your way. Terribly sorry. But keep thinking of me as dirty and disgusting. Bet you spend ages in the shower thinking about it.
:-\
Funnily how you instantly turn such comments into some sort of sexual reference? I'm not the one doing that, it's always you or Garry? You've both got some issue with taking about me in a sexual way, batty boys! Are you incapable of taking normally about window cleaning? Are you seeking help for that visit you took to Chernobyl? Because your brain is confused, and your sexuality is also very confused, you like to talk about men in a sexual way on a window cleaning forum? ???
Get your head examined hummer, those brain cells are deteriorating fast.
Reading the quoted thread, it was you that brought up "sex" as you called Hummer "filthy and disgusting". I agree that he is irritating but you started the "pillow talk". ;)
Irritating? IRRATATING? How dare you! >:( ;D
how embarrasing, the guy whos bandwagon you just jumped on insulted you earlier behind your back. take the hint pal, by the way well done on your first post that isnt insulting or reffering to your obviously supressed homosexuality
Keep digging. You just look even more stupid.....and I'm
Laughing even more at you. ;D
you might be laughing at me...
but 4 out of the 5 in this thread are laughimg at you
No. Just you and your man friend :)
[/quot4e]
you missed out the guy who callled you irritating for a start. not in a joking way he genuinely called you irritating after you tried to side with him. epic fail, p off mate your embarrasing yourself, your like the annoying kid at school who has no atributes but to try be funny, gets boring real quick
Sorry, did you need some smileys . ::)roll
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Err tosh, I think you'll find joey doesn't use wfp...
Ah, I see, so he's feeling inadequate. He's probably feeling a bit daft with his ladders on a pram, watching guys with flash vans zoom past him.
But as soon as he can afford a system, he'll be doing it.
We used to have these discussions with Squeaky - and he reckoned he was faster trad than we were with a wfp.
He's been using wfp for a few years now. ;D
i have a van with adequate room for a tank if need be, i have never said i wont ever be wfp, because chances are i will be, chances are my expenses will go up after i do, il probs loose a lot of customers because so e of my rounds where established by my old company since 1990 and always been done trad.
as for cant afford it, i went on holiday to burkina faso and greece last year, each holiday the cost of a wfp set up..... lol. im 25 with a house, wife, 2 cars, 2 kids, van, certainly not skint mate.
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no mate, dont wear a belt, im not homosexual, and my ladders are off in 20seconds and bucket is in passenger footwell, i would beat you hands down doing a proper job that is, your probably very quick at doing a bodge job, keep plugging away one day you will do it right ;D
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If you have a van why is your bucket in the passenger footwell?
;D
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What started as a trad v wfp debate has now got me all confused about my sexuality . This forum is full of surprises. Better throw that bucket on a belt away before the wife gets suspicious ???
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What started as a trad v wfp debate has now got me all confused about my sexuality . This forum is full of surprises. Better throw that bucket on a belt away before the wife gets suspicious ???
the homo/ bucket belt thing is a joke between me and jake lol. if your married im sure she knows your not gay. and the bucket is in the footwell cus it slides around in the back plus dont have to go in the back to get it out. next load of c r a p comin my way about the position of my bucket? jheeeeezzzz lol
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Did a glass roof today.
WFP outside/Trad inside.
Results were like night and day !!!!
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Lmfao joey. Have to say there's a lot of useful info on here but my god beware the wfp brigade . Wish everyone would just accept everyone's round is different and everyone has there own way of running there business. Good night and good luck benders :)
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
Shush. Him and clint are blowing each other. Tho they are rich and intelligent..... You can see they're tax returns if you like? ;D
You are obsessed with us aren't you hummer!
Awww. Us. Do you finish each others sentences too?? This is too funny....and you and clint really aren't helping yourselves ;D
good luck finding a life, see you on the next thread where somebody you think likes you insults you and you try to swerve it when it gets mentioned haha
Oh no, someone called be irritating and I didn't get it. Oh no, woe is me. Words on a forum!!!Haha, someone who likes me?? Just how old are you??? You poor little petal. Btw I've been away for a few hours, just caught a nice little biz class flight back from dubai. Hence the time weirdness. Now up you get, go do some work. GEt that tax return even better for next year!
Your a Weird little prat ;D
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
Shush. Him and clint are blowing each other. Tho they are rich and intelligent..... You can see they're tax returns if you like? ;D
You are obsessed with us aren't you hummer!
Awww. Us. Do you finish each others sentences too?? This is too funny....and you and clint really aren't helping yourselves ;D
good luck finding a life, see you on the next thread where somebody you think likes you insults you and you try to swerve it when it gets mentioned haha
Oh no, someone called be irritating and I didn't get it. Oh no, woe is me. Words on a forum!!!Haha, someone who likes me?? Just how old are you??? You poor little petal. Btw I've been away for a few hours, just caught a nice little biz class flight back from dubai. Hence the time weirdness. Now up you get, go do some work. GEt that tax return even better for next year!
Your a Weird little prat ;D
Now there's an idea for some of these "big boys" Post some tax retun figures online.
"I earn £300-£400" a day yet won a clx on eBay for £65. In the messages. "Would you take £50. Short on cash" lmao
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I have nothing against either jakey or clint, but after reading all the drivel on this thread dont degrade yourself to trying to boast about 'how much you earn'...
Just makes you look like a tw@...
If you enjoy trad (i know i do) then crack on. If your prefer wfp (i'm 99% pole) then happy days!
Its one thing claiming you can do a better job with either method, but its turning into a cock measuring contest now, have you not grown out of that yet..?
It's not boasting, just simply explaining the situation. All others had to do was say, yeah that's fair enough, but instead they bring homosexual comments into it. That's pathetic. Not us saying that were enjoying trad and earn a good living.
Again donkee, you've also joined in taking about cocks? What is it with you lot?
Kid you need to climb out of your own arse and get a sense of humor...I thought there
was hope for you when you called me a gay biscuit eater it was amusing, bit hypocritical
to start moaning about homosexual comments yourself... butI wasn't worried by it
ive been called far worse. ;D
Don't wind yourself so much,to quote tosh... its only the interweb ;D
Gary I'm loving the banter, contradictions make it more fun ;D
That's okay then...now wind your neck in and go and blow dry your hair
or something ;D
Shush. Him and clint are blowing each other. Tho they are rich and intelligent..... You can see they're tax returns if you like? ;D
You are obsessed with us aren't you hummer!
Awww. Us. Do you finish each others sentences too?? This is too funny....and you and clint really aren't helping yourselves ;D
good luck finding a life, see you on the next thread where somebody you think likes you insults you and you try to swerve it when it gets mentioned haha
Oh no, someone called be irritating and I didn't get it. Oh no, woe is me. Words on a forum!!!Haha, someone who likes me?? Just how old are you??? You poor little petal. Btw I've been away for a few hours, just caught a nice little biz class flight back from dubai. Hence the time weirdness. Now up you get, go do some work. GEt that tax return even better for next year!
Your a Weird little prat ;D
Now there's an idea for some of these "big boys" Post some tax retun figures online.
"I earn £300-£400" a day yet won a clx on eBay for £65. In the messages. "Would you take £50. Short on cash" lmao
Completely agree. It's the mouthy idiots who boast of tax returns, huge amounts a day that would cry if they were investigated. Actually they wouldn't, cos they earn bugger all in reality. ;D
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Now there's an idea for some of these "big boys" Post some tax retun figures online.
"I earn £300-£400" a day yet won a clx on eBay for £65. In the messages. "Would you take £50. Short on cash" lmao
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Completely agree. It's the mouthy idiots who boast of tax returns, huge amounts a day that would cry if they were investigated. Actually they wouldn't, cos they earn bugger all in reality. ;D
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It depends how good their accountant is
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Now there's an idea for some of these "big boys" Post some tax retun figures online.
"I earn £300-£400" a day yet won a clx on eBay for £65. In the messages. "Would you take £50. Short on cash" lmao
Completely agree. It's the mouthy idiots who boast of tax returns, huge amounts a day that would cry if they were investigated. Actually they wouldn't, cos they earn bugger all in reality. ;D
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It depends how good their accountant is
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Haha that is true.
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Not once do we mention money or tax returns, so that's all made up crap!
Holidays were mentioned as joey was stating that he could buy a wfp system but would prefer a holiday, simples!
J timms is right, some of you wfp brigade cannot understand that all rounds are different and trad can be faster. It's not rocket science (it is to hummer, but then he's very mentally challenged)
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Lmfao joey. Have to say there's a lot of useful info on here but my god beware the wfp brigade . Wish everyone would just accept everyone's round is different and everyone has there own way of running there business. Good night and good luck benders :)
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
It's entertaining Gary, ;D
Plus were right ;D ha ha!
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
You play banjo?
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
You play banjo?
No, but I have been known to hand them out in the past to deserving
cases such as yourself ;D
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
You play banjo?
No, but I have been known to hand them out in the past to deserving
cases such as yourself ;D
Why the comment 'bloody banjo players' ???
I play guitar, a banjo would come in handy to bash hummer the bummer over the head though... Might knock some sense into his small brain ;D
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
You play banjo?
No, but I have been known to hand them out in the past to deserving
cases such as yourself ;D
It wouldn't break through his concrete noggin I'm afraid. :'(
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
You play banjo?
No, but I have been known to hand them out in the past to deserving
cases such as yourself ;D
It wouldn't break through his concrete noggin I'm afraid. :'(
Hummer the bummer, your attempts of humour are getting worse, I'm starting to feel sorry for you :'( you poor old bummer.
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Let it go now lads...let it go :)
You play banjo?
No, but I have been known to hand them out in the past to deserving
cases such as yourself ;D
It wouldn't break through his concrete noggin I'm afraid. :'(
Hummer the bummer, your attempts of humour are getting worse, I'm starting to feel sorry for you :'( you poor old bummer.
Whereas you have the wit and humor of Oscar Wilde, in fact you have much in common with him.... ;D
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
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It almost looks medieval when I see a hoodie-clad window cleaner with a set of ladders and a bucket.
I nearly feel sorry for them.
Don't they know there's an easier, safer, quicker way?
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It almost looks medieval when I see a hoodie-clad window cleaner with a set of ladders and a bucket.
I nearly feel sorry for them.
Don't they know there's an easier, safer, quicker way?
It's defo not easier tosh, I use both and trad is simple and easy, wfp is brilliant but can be annoying and slow, trad is really simple. If wfp was the best way, then I'd happily pack the ladders away and be fine with it, but as I said, I still find trad quicker and better for some (key word here is some) houses.
Being only wfp in my opinion is lazy and stupid, it's an invaluable skill knowing how to trad, inside house windows etc...
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
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Lmfao joey. Have to say there's a lot of useful info on here but my god beware the wfp brigade . Wish everyone would just accept everyone's round is different and everyone has there own way of running there business. Good night and good luck benders :)
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
thats nothing to do with them thsts because your a lazy c#£% haha ;) hummer your a sad person, i bet you where bullied at school and have a small thingy so cant satisfy your wife so you come on here to try act the big man. your probably not even a window cleaner i bet your a sad old post office assistant, the sort of guy who ends up being a serial killer for a bit of attenntion. im not entertaing your half witted attempt at humor or feeble attempts to make yourself look better than other people, we should meet up some time, no in all seriousness its been a while since iv wobbled anyones head about for being a complete nonce
all in good fun admin i mean literally hold his head and wobble it no threats here
;D ;D
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Another thing brought back memories this week seeing a couple of guys working trad due to it being bitterly cold,even with the so called window cleaning gloves which are more suited to WFP anyway it's like Chinese torture working by hand in temperatures like that.The guy I spoke to said I like to give my customers value for money not fly round and pick up money for nothing lol,I must admit I was lost for words when I heard the fool say that lol
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Another thing brought back memories this week seeing a couple of guys working trad due to it being bitterly cold,even with the so called window cleaning gloves which are more suited to WFP anyway it's like Chinese torture working by hand in temperatures like that.The guy I spoke to said I like to give my customers value for money not fly round and pick up money for nothing lol,I must admit I was lost for words when I heard the fool say that lol
thats the second story posted on the same page, talk to a lot of tradders dont you ::)roll
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Is this the Cbeebies forum ???
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Yeah I like rubbing there noses in it mate I make it a weekly ritual to stop and show em how it's done
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It almost looks medieval when I see a hoodie-clad window cleaner with a set of ladders and a bucket.
I nearly feel sorry for them.
Don't they know there's an easier, safer, quicker way?
It's defo not easier tosh, I use both and trad is simple and easy, wfp is brilliant but can be annoying and slow, trad is really simple. If wfp was the best way, then I'd happily pack the ladders away and be fine with it, but as I said, I still find trad quicker and better for some (key word here is some) houses.
Being only wfp in my opinion is lazy and stupid, it's an invaluable skill knowing how to trad, inside house windows etc...
No one has said that being able to trad isn't a useful tool to have...but I know of
plenty who make a decent living wfp only.
Personally I don't do any inside cleaning I find it slows my day down to much and i
make a better hourly rate from con and fascia cleaning.
Sounds to me by the above that you haven't as yet got to grips properly
yet with wfp...it is worth putting some more time in to gain real confidence because
on a day to day basis GENERALLY speaking it is quicker safer less physically tiring
Im not saying you are doing anything wrong...just that long term wfp is thsafer
easier option and its very rare going by this forum that a windie goes back to trad
as his main tool of the day after they have fully committed to this method.
But if you are happy as you are fair enough...but please stop checking yourself
in windows...not only is it vomit inducing ;D...but it is dangerous not fully
paying attention to what you are doing :)
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
Maybe trad guys got more work than wfp guys!
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It almost looks medieval when I see a hoodie-clad window cleaner with a set of ladders and a bucket.
I nearly feel sorry for them.
Don't they know there's an easier, safer, quicker way?
It's defo not easier tosh, I use both and trad is simple and easy, wfp is brilliant but can be annoying and slow, trad is really simple. If wfp was the best way, then I'd happily pack the ladders away and be fine with it, but as I said, I still find trad quicker and better for some (key word here is some) houses.
Being only wfp in my opinion is lazy and stupid, it's an invaluable skill knowing how to trad, inside house windows etc...
No one has said that being able to trad isn't a useful tool to have...but I know of
plenty who make a decent living wfp only.
Personally I don't do any inside cleaning I find it slows my day down to much and i
make a better hourly rate from con and fascia cleaning.
Sounds to me by the above that you haven't as yet got to grips properly
yet with wfp...it is worth putting some more time in to gain real confidence because
on a day to day basis GENERALLY speaking it is quicker safer less physically tiring
Im not saying you are doing anything wrong...just that long term wfp is thsafer
easier option and its very rare going by this forum that a windie goes back to trad
as his main tool of the day after they have fully committed to this method.
But if you are happy as you are fair enough...but please stop checking yourself
in windows...not only is it vomit inducing ;D...but it is dangerous not fully
paying attention to what you are doing :)
there should be more people like you on here. for all you other a-holes on here thats how you offer a different point of view !
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Trust me you wouldn't want to trad my work
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Trust me you wouldn't want to trad my work
and likewise wfp some of mine, we made these points several pages ago do keep up
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Yeah I like rubbing there noses in it mate I make it a weekly ritual to stop and show em how it's done
you make fun of people who earn a living the same way your dad did?
bet hed be proud of that comment. t o s s e r
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Hey don't say that..there will be peals of uncontrollable laughter
from every corner. ;D
To be fair to most on here, they have been through many of these
posts before over the years and probably have gone beyond repeating
it again. :)
reply as for joey about my previous post.
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
Maybe trad guys got more work than wfp guys!
you are limited massively working trad only what's the point in having masses of work with ladders your never gonna get through it all and just think of all Those dormers, skylights ,and 3 rd floor windows I'm gonna have to do coz you can't reach em lol
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Today I spent some time up a ladder clearing out some guttering - the longest I've spent on a ladder for a few years. I wasn't comfortable with it as I've grown unused to it. I "footed" it with the van as the angle wasn't the best and the bit at one end I pushed the ladder well into the lawn.
I won't be doing it again.
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
Maybe trad guys got more work than wfp guys!
you are limited massively working trad only what's the point in having masses of work with ladders your never gonna get through it all and just think of all Those dormers, skylights ,and 3 rd floor windows I'm gonna have to do coz you can't reach em lol
again we covered this 5 pages ago DO KEEP UP. what about the big houses i do with no rear acces apart fro over the garage etc etc etc 5pages ago mate
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I have reverted back to trad after investing in wfp, too much hastle, hoses, batteries, poles, van moving, rinsing, converting customers, freezing conditions, leaks, extra cost!
Wfp has a place, I use it for about 5 percent of my work(got a backpack) some awkward leadeds, three storey and dormer windows.
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
Maybe trad guys got more work than wfp guys!
you are limited massively working trad only what's the point in having masses of work with ladders your never gonna get through it all and just think of all Those dormers, skylights ,and 3 rd floor windows I'm gonna have to do coz you can't reach em lol
again we covered this 5 pages ago DO KEEP UP. what about the big houses i do with no rear acces apart fro over the garage etc etc etc 5pages ago mate
This comment sums it all up. Big houses don't have "no rear access". ;D
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So sorry mate houses with gates round the side of the house ohh no moved on from them a few years back now pal, got a long list of electric gate codes though. Please get some half decent work can't you coming on here like a peasant lol 😴😴😆😆
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Yep Birdymiller you are a rare convert back to trad on this forum.
Knew that would happen ;D
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So sorry mate houses with gates round the side of the house ohh no moved on from them a few years back now pal, got a long list of electric gate codes though. Please get some half decent work can't you coming on here like a peasant lol 😴😴😆😆
oh wow, go you... typical ciu arsehole mate
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
Maybe trad guys got more work than wfp guys!
you are limited massively working trad only what's the point in having masses of work with ladders your never gonna get through it all and just think of all Those dormers, skylights ,and 3 rd floor windows I'm gonna have to do coz you can't reach em lol
again we covered this 5 pages ago DO KEEP UP. what about the big houses i do with no rear acces apart fro over the garage etc etc etc 5pages ago mate
Big houses? With no rear access?
I think me and you have a different ideas on big houses, what your describing is an average house. 3 bed semi.
A big house to me is 5 or 6 bedroom, detached with double garages.
Mayb I'm just lucky to have a round of decent size houses, and WFP is so much faster on all my work.
If you have a round made up of council houses then trad may be on a par with WFP speed wise in some cases, but never on a par with quality and more importantly safety.
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im a peasant because i do two £10 houses in the time you do a £20 house, haha
if you do that many mansions and your so rich why come on a computer forum and spout about it? isnt it caviar oclock? have you met hummer, hes a bell end too
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im a peasant because i do two £10 houses in the time you do a £20 house, haha
if you do that many mansions and your so rich why come on a computer forum and spout about it? isnt it caviar oclock? have you met hummer, hes a bell end too
If your saying you have to work twice as hard as me for the same money, then your probably right. :)
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:(So sorry mate houses with gates round the side of the house ohh no moved on from them a few years back now pal, got a long list of electric gate codes though. Please get some half decent work can't you coming on here like a peasant lol 😴😴😆😆
oh wow, go you... typical ciu arsehole mate
How dare you I can earn a 100 a day window cleaning lol lol 😂😂😂
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
Maybe trad guys got more work than wfp guys!
you are limited massively working trad only what's the point in having masses of work with ladders your never gonna get through it all and just think of all Those dormers, skylights ,and 3 rd floor windows I'm gonna have to do coz you can't reach em lol
again we covered this 5 pages ago DO KEEP UP. what about the big houses i do with no rear acces apart fro over the garage etc etc etc 5pages ago mate
Big houses? With no rear access?
I think me and you have a different ideas on big houses, what your describing is an average house. 3 bed semi.
A big house to me is 5 or 6 bedroom, detached with double garages.
Mayb I'm just lucky to have a round of decent size houses, and WFP is so much faster on all my work.
If you have a round made up of council houses then trad may be on a par with WFP speed wise in sim cases, but never on a par with quality and more importantly safety.
i do my share of big gaffs dont get me wrong, im talking about 3bed semis £10 a clean, have to go over the garage, i was making a point that yes trad can be limiting but so can wfp, jeeeesus........ and the reply was he does bigger houses, well yes but probably take you longer to clean them... this forum is a joke at times you cant have an opinion without someone trying to rubbish it or say thats nothing i do ten times that blah blahh
yeah you may but your an idiot,,, lol
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
thats nothing to do with them thsts because your a lazy c#£% haha ;) hummer your a sad person, i bet you where bullied at school and have a small thingy so cant satisfy your wife so you come on here to try act the big man. your probably not even a window cleaner i bet your a sad old post office assistant, the sort of guy who ends up being a serial killer for a bit of attenntion. im not entertaing your half witted attempt at humor or feeble attempts to make yourself look better than other people, we should meet up some time, no in all seriousness its been a while since iv wobbled anyones head about for being a complete nonce
all in good fun admin i mean literally hold his head and wobble it no threats here
;D ;D
Haha, and finally I have you dangling exactly where I want you ;D
The minute a, er, member of the intelligentsia such as yourself starts crying and making threats, you show yourself for what you are.
A m0ng ;D
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im a peasant because i do two £10 houses in the time you do a £20 house, haha
if you do that many mansions and your so rich why come on a computer forum and spout about it? isnt it caviar oclock? have you met hummer, hes a bell end too
If your saying you have to work twice as hard as me for the same money, then your probably right. :)
wow this is hard work, you are missing the point...... one £20 house = two £10 houses, capishe???
the 20 house takes you half hour, two 10 houses me 15 each, u with me..... just wow
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im a peasant because i do two £10 houses in the time you do a £20 house, haha
if you do that many mansions and your so rich why come on a computer forum and spout about it? isnt it caviar oclock? have you met hummer, hes a bell end too
I'm just on here reading what your doing to make myself feel better mate boosting my ego,I don't do any £10 houses anymore,wheat and chaff comes to mind pal not anymore I will leave all them for you,you go for it
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hummer hard at work. wibble
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I have reverted back to trad after investing in wfp, too much hastle, hoses, batteries, poles, van moving, rinsing, converting customers, freezing conditions, leaks, extra cost!
Wfp has a place, I use it for about 5 percent of my work(got a backpack) some awkward leadeds, three storey and dormer windows.
fair play mate but i bet your not earning £17,000 more a year since going wfp 4 and a half years ago.it should be over £20,000 more by the end of this year for me.i spent 17 years 100% trad before that.
even taking in the extra expense(prob works out at about 3k a year more than when i was trad)im still quids in.
i enjoy my work a lot more
ive picked up some cracking jobs that id never be able to do off ladders.
i work less hours a day compared to ladders.
i earn more a day
im a lot safer.
less tired at the end of the day/week.
ive picked up a lot of good jobs BECAUSE I USE WFP!
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im a peasant because i do two £10 houses in the time you do a £20 house, haha
if you do that many mansions and your so rich why come on a computer forum and spout about it? isnt it caviar oclock? have you met hummer, hes a bell end too
I'm just on here reading what your doing to make myself feel better mate boosting my ego,I don't do any £10 houses anymore,wheat and chaff comes to mind pal not anymore I will leave all them for you,you go for it
oh wow go you. you do a 20 house in the time i do 2 10 houses, ur aweeesomeeeee
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Traditional v WFP cannot not be compared because there's no comparison I had this conversation with a tradder yesterday he was almost trying to convince himself it's quicker to climb ladders alday everyday all week the fool,bungalows maybe on occasions but that's about it unless there dolls houses.I don't ever bother to put up an argument with some I see from time to time now I just give em a toot on my way home 3 hours before them lol
same here mate!i know quite a few trad only guys!and their always still working when im driving home! ;D
Maybe trad guys got more work than wfp guys!
you are limited massively working trad only what's the point in having masses of work with ladders your never gonna get through it all and just think of all Those dormers, skylights ,and 3 rd floor windows I'm gonna have to do coz you can't reach em lol
again we covered this 5 pages ago DO KEEP UP. what about the big houses i do with no rear acces apart fro over the garage etc etc etc 5pages ago mate
Big houses? With no rear access?
I think me and you have a different ideas on big houses, what your describing is an average house. 3 bed semi.
A big house to me is 5 or 6 bedroom, detached with double garages.
Mayb I'm just lucky to have a round of decent size houses, and WFP is so much faster on all my work.
If you have a round made up of council houses then trad may be on a par with WFP speed wise in sim cases, but never on a par with quality and more importantly safety.
i do my share of big gaffs dont get me wrong, im talking about 3bed semis £10 a clean, have to go over the garage, i was making a point that yes trad can be limiting but so can wfp, jeeeesus........ and the reply was he does bigger houses, well yes but probably take you longer to clean them... this forum is a joke at times you cant have an opinion without someone trying to rubbish it or say thats nothing i do ten times that blah blahh
yeah you may but your an idiot,,, lol
It's interesting that you think having to climb over a garage makes WFP slower? When your trad do you just jump?
I've got a telescopic ladder that within seconds I can be up and over, along with my pole and hose and work away.
The only extra thing I have to do that You don't is carry my pole with me as I go up the ladder, but the time saved doing the actual window cleaning is still quicker than trad for me.
I know this because I used to be trad only.
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think you meant ladder not leader. oh wow, go you awesome.
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Why do you want to go up a ladder lol it's not a bugger your body up challenge,you can't deny its a far better way to earn far more money with enough energy left to enjoy the weekends. I'm a way my opinion is that staying traditional in a way is being lazy and not moving with the times
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anyway im off to the real world now for my dinner with my wife n kids, have a good day tomorrow typing in electric gate keycodes while im cleaning 4 lowly £10 houses an hour, all day, poor me boo hoo so skint :(
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think you meant ladder not leader. oh wow, go you awesome.
That moment when you realise your points aren't logical and the only thing you do is pick up a spelling mistake. Haha.
On that note...............
I'm out. :)
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anyway im off to the real world now for my dinner with my wife n kids, have a good day tomorrow typing in electric gate keycodes while im cleaning 4 lowly £10 houses an hour, all day, poor me boo hoo so skint :(
Don't work Saturdays. I earn enough with WFP during the week thanks.
You have fun though. ;D
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Why do you want to go up a ladder lol it's not a bugger your body up challenge,you can't deny its a far better way to earn far more money with enough energy left to enjoy the weekends. I'm a way my opinion is that staying traditional in a way is being lazy and not moving with the times
seriously mate if your gonna comment read the whole thread, me and jakey both stated reasons etc 7 pages ago, why get involved at the end of a conversation with spurious arguments
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anyway im off to the real world now for my dinner with my wife n kids, have a good day tomorrow typing in electric gate keycodes while im cleaning 4 lowly £10 houses an hour, all day, poor me boo hoo so skint :(
Don't work Saturdays. I earn enough with WFP during the week thanks.
You have fun though. ;D
haha you got me there i forgot its friday ;) seriously mate, have your opinion but as i stated pages ago im happy as i am, earn enough money and dont want to change, end of, take it easy
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>:(anyway im off to the real world now for my dinner with my wife n kids, have a good day tomorrow typing in electric gate keycodes while im cleaning 4 lowly £10 houses an hour, all day, poor me boo hoo so skint :(
Don't work Saturdays. I earn enough with WFP during the week thanks.
You have fun though. ;D
haha you got me there i forgot its friday ;) seriously mate, have your opinion but as i stated pages ago im happy as i am, earn enough money and dont want to change, end of, take it easy
And that's all that matters. ;)
Each to their own.
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anyway im off to the real world now for my dinner with my wife n kids, have a good day tomorrow typing in electric gate keycodes while im cleaning 4 lowly £10 houses an hour, all day, poor me boo hoo so skint :(
Don't work Saturdays. I earn enough with WFP during the week thanks.
You have fun though. ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Ok thanks be careful up those there ladders as they say one slip and your in the S😷😷T
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>:(anyway im off to the real world now for my dinner with my wife n kids, have a good day tomorrow typing in electric gate keycodes while im cleaning 4 lowly £10 houses an hour, all day, poor me boo hoo so skint :(
Yep you can't polish a reed and all that lol
Don't work Saturdays. I earn enough with WFP during the week thanks.
You have fun though. ;D
haha you got me there i forgot its friday ;) seriously mate, have your opinion but as i stated pages ago im happy as i am, earn enough money and dont want to change, end of, take it easy
And that's all that matters. ;)
Each to their own.
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.
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I have reverted back to trad after investing in wfp, too much hastle, hoses, batteries, poles, van moving, rinsing, converting customers, freezing conditions, leaks, extra cost!
Wfp has a place, I use it for about 5 percent of my work(got a backpack) some awkward leadeds, three storey and dormer windows.
Exactly.
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.
You can rinse like mad but some windows just takes forever compared to trad.
I know this first hand. Wfp is great, trad is just better for some houses, there are times when dragging the hose around and through garages etc is defiantly slower than tradding. It's just a matter of fact. Trad can be faster than wfp on some houses. That's what I said in the original post.
Other benfits with trad are:
Can do Insides
Can hop over gates and fences easily
Can go over garage roofs
Can charge more if other window cleaners won't use trad
Can do first Cleans in half the time of wfp
Can get stains off in seconds on upstairs windows.
Next to zero outlay
Next to zero tool maintenance
Next to zero space in van taken up
No leaks
No freezing
No money to be spent on batteries pumps poles bla bla bla.
The list is endless, there are many many perks to trad.
There are also many perks to wfp, hence why I use it! / Just not for every house. Simple.
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Try wfp this lot.
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.
You can rinse like mad but some windows just takes forever compared to trad.
I know this first hand. Wfp is great, trad is just better for some houses, there are times when dragging the hose around and through garages etc is defiantly slower than tradding. It's just a matter of fact. Trad can be faster than wfp on some houses. That's what I said in the original post.
Other benfits with trad are:
Can do Insides
Can hop over gates and fences easily
Can go over garage roofs
Can charge more if other window cleaners won't use trad
Can do first Cleans in half the time of wfp
Can get stains off in seconds on upstairs windows.
Next to zero outlay
Next to zero tool maintenance
Next to zero space in van taken up
No leaks
No freezing
No money to be spent on batteries pumps poles bla bla bla.
The list is endless, there are many many perks to trad.
There are also many perks to wfp, hence why I use it! / Just not for every house. Simple.
You missed off getting to slouch in a hoodie. ;D
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You can get more done in a day using WFP than trad
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.
You can rinse like mad but some windows just takes forever compared to trad.
I know this first hand. Wfp is great, trad is just better for some houses, there are times when dragging the hose around and through garages etc is defiantly slower than tradding. It's just a matter of fact. Trad can be faster than wfp on some houses. That's what I said in the original post.
Other benfits with trad are:
Can do Insides
Can hop over gates and fences easily
Can go over garage roofs
Can charge more if other window cleaners won't use trad
Can do first Cleans in half the time of wfp
Can get stains off in seconds on upstairs windows.
Next to zero outlay
Next to zero tool maintenance
Next to zero space in van taken up
No leaks
No freezing
No money to be spent on batteries pumps poles bla bla bla.
The list is endless, there are many many perks to trad.
There are also many perks to wfp, hence why I use it! / Just not for every house. Simple.
you forgot to mention the mundane freezing cold hands freezing cold ladders being on 6-7 bed houses upwards forever in a day feeling completely knackered come Wednesday,and that's without earning about a 1/3 less money than you can earn walking around a job pushing a pole up and down thinking God this is a piece of p. I think I might start doing it off of ladders again I must be an idiot.
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.
You can rinse like mad but some windows just takes forever compared to trad.
I know this first hand. Wfp is great, trad is just better for some houses, there are times when dragging the hose around and through garages etc is defiantly slower than tradding. It's just a matter of fact. Trad can be faster than wfp on some houses. That's what I said in the original post.
Other benfits with trad are:
Can do Insides
Can hop over gates and fences easily
Can go over garage roofs
Can charge more if other window cleaners won't use trad
Can do first Cleans in half the time of wfp
Can get stains off in seconds on upstairs windows.
Next to zero outlay
Next to zero tool maintenance
Next to zero space in van taken up
No leaks
No freezing
No money to be spent on batteries pumps poles bla bla bla.
The list is endless, there are many many perks to trad.
There are also many perks to wfp, hence why I use it! / Just not for every house. Simple.
i dont know how many times we have to say the same thing lol. people just cant see that there is more than one way to do somethin and when you explain they just jump down your throat with why their way is better lol.
and NWH make sure you dont slip and your pole ends up your a55, mind you it wouldnt fit because your head is so far up there already. bummers post-office boyfriend i think
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.
You can rinse like mad but some windows just takes forever compared to trad.
I know this first hand. Wfp is great, trad is just better for some houses, there are times when dragging the hose around and through garages etc is defiantly slower than tradding. It's just a matter of fact. Trad can be faster than wfp on some houses. That's what I said in the original post.
Other benfits with trad are:
Can do Insides
Can hop over gates and fences easily
Can go over garage roofs
Can charge more if other window cleaners won't use trad
Can do first Cleans in half the time of wfp
Can get stains off in seconds on upstairs windows.
Next to zero outlay
Next to zero tool maintenance
Next to zero space in van taken up
No leaks
No freezing
No money to be spent on batteries pumps poles bla bla bla.
The list is endless, there are many many perks to trad.
There are also many perks to wfp, hence why I use it! / Just not for every house. Simple.
you forgot to mention the mundane freezing cold hands freezing cold ladders being on 6-7 bed houses upwards forever in a day feeling completely knackered come Wednesday,and that's without earning about a 1/3 less money than you can earn walking around a job pushing a pole up and down thinking God this is a piece of p. I think I might start doing it off of ladders again I must be an idiot.
a third as much??? lmao your not a window cleaner your a comedian. do you think just because we use a different method to you that we earn minimum wage or something LOL. you where a bit annoying now your just a plain idiot the way you are going on, its like you have to defend your way of cleaning, perhaps its you who doesnt earn enouh you sound pretty insecure, its me and jakey that are happy :D
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Joey (any relation to Joey Deacon?), it's a bit like me arguing that cleaning windows with a spade is quicker than using a squeegy. I might keep on repeating myself, but anyone with a brain will know that I'm wrong.
Now apply that thinking to what you're saying.
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Joey (any relation to Joey Deacon?), it's a bit like me arguing that cleaning windows with a spade is quicker than using a squeegy. I might keep on repeating myself, but anyone with a brain will know that I'm wrong.
Now apply that thinking to what you're saying.
;D ;D
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Joey (any relation to Joey Deacon?), it's a bit like me arguing that cleaning windows with a spade is quicker than using a squeegy. I might keep on repeating myself, but anyone with a brain will know that I'm wrong.
Now apply that thinking to what you're saying.
seriously tosh what are you on about. have you read any of this post? i havent said that trad is quicker, that isnt the point, the point is i am trad and happy, the name of the post states 'some' houses are quicker and they probably are, the majority are probably quicker wfp
for the 'global moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great. read what i have been saying and try understsnd my point. you have seen a few guys getting all defensive over their wfp for some reason and jumped on the bandwagon
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For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
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for the 'global moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.
Yes, you're right, mate. I apologise for mocking you. Sorry. I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.
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For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.
yes thst is great mate, im not arguing against anything you have said, my simple point is i am happy the way i am, why is that a problem for you??? you dont know how much i clean a day, how many i employ etc etc so who are you to go on like i earn a pittance compared to you?
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".
Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.
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for the 'global moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.
Yes, you're right, mate. I apologise for mocking you. Sorry. I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.
I think that went over his head.
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".
Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.
the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment, ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED.......... you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
I would dispute the safe bit..far better working with both feet on solid
ground..but if you are happy then fair play
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for the 'global moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.
Yes, you're right, mate. I apologise for mocking you. Sorry. I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.
I think that went over his head.
yeah that went over my head, i didnt understand he meant sorry for mocking me because i said mocking the disabled, he basically said im disabled, c you next tuesday...
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
I would dispute the safe bit..far better working with both feet on solid
ground..but if you are happy then fair play
gary please will you explain that i am simply saying im happy trad. they seem to think im saying it it is better or quicker than wfp which i am not.. iv tried to explain but they do not get it, very defensive bunch lol
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Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison
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Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison
why not, you dont know how much i earn. you think because im trad i work cheap? how do you know my pricing structure, have you been following me? no exactly so you cant say that lol.
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".
Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.
the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment, ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED.......... you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT
Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side. :)
In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.
Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.
Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.
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Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison
and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".
Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.
the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment, ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED.......... you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT
Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side. :)
In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.
Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.
Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.
like a lot of guys have said mate they where trad for 15 odd years, they all survived... if you arent an idiot it isnt hard to be safe. builders use ladders every day, so do alot of tradesmen. for all you know tomorrrow you could be cleaing a window and trip over, bang your head and die, theres always a risk thsts life lol! i agine what all you cleaners would do if there was no wfp, youd be in the offices you clean typing away on minuinimum wage, id still be earning 50quid an hour on my ladder ;)
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".
Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.
the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment, ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED.......... you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT
Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side. :)
In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.
Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.
Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.
like a lot of guys have said mate they where trad for 15 odd years, they all survived... if you arent an idiot it isnt hard to be safe. builders use ladders every day, so do alot of tradesmen. for all you know tomorrrow you could be cleaing a window and trip over, bang your head and die, theres always a risk thsts life lol! i agine what all you cleaners would do if there was no wfp, youd be in the offices you clean typing away on minuinimum wage, id still be earning 50quid an hour on my ladder ;)
Using a ladder for access is a lot safer than working off of ladders.
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Joey Dunlop,all those TT'S he won all the other road races but one little mistake he made one day cost him his life.You only need to fall off once that's your lot if you fall wrong,I've fallen off a few times over the years gone by but have been lucky,I think what a few are trying to say is that there is no need to climb ladders at all these days so why do it. Not only safety it's bloody knackering to
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Could everyone just let it go now. Any newbie looking at this forum would think its a forum for idiots if reading the posts on this topic. As I said earlier , how people run there business is up to them. I think everyone knows both methods work if used correctly and clearly some people r more comfortable using ladders than others. Don't turn what is a useful forum for gaining tips on all methods of window cleaning into a petty slanging match.
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For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.
Your a complete div.
If your a wuss then you'll moan about the cold, be a man and get on with it.
I use both and wfp is fantastic, but trad is as fast and faster on some houses, that's what I find. It may be that I'm faster than people like you at trad which is why. However I'm not at all slow with wfp, I've got to a pace that cannot be improved without results suffering, there's no way anyone can be so certain that trad isn't as fast, when it simply is at times.
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the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and i dont understand why...
No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".
Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.
the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment, ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED.......... you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT
Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side. :)
In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.
Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.
Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.
like a lot of guys have said mate they where trad for 15 odd years, they all survived... if you arent an idiot it isnt hard to be safe. builders use ladders every day, so do alot of tradesmen. for all you know tomorrrow you could be cleaing a window and trip over, bang your head and die, theres always a risk thsts life lol! i agine what all you cleaners would do if there was no wfp, youd be in the offices you clean typing away on minuinimum wage, id still be earning 50quid an hour on my ladder ;)
Not at all. I'd still be trad aswell. You seem to feel your the only trad cleaner here. ???
I (and many others) have just come to the realisation that there is no need in the 21st century to still be climbing up a ladder when I can do the same (arguably better and faster) job with 2 feet firmly on the ground.
Also if your earning £50 an hour now, then you could easily add an extra 20% to your profit with WFP. It's a no brainer.
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Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison
Yes there is a compassion! Of course there is! You are obvious slow at trad so that's why your so sure on wfp. Others, however, are obviously much faster.
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For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.
Your a complete div.
If your a wuss then you'll moan about the cold, be a man and get on with it.
I use both and wfp is fantastic, but trad is as fast and faster on some houses, that's what I find. It may be that I'm faster than people like you at trad which is why. However I'm not at all slow with wfp, I've got to a pace that cannot be improved without results suffering, there's no way anyone can be so certain that trad isn't as fast, when it simply is at times.
Not my houses it's not as there mainly of the large variety,do you want me to show you a couple of pictures of big houses so you know what I mean lol
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for the 'global moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.
Yes, you're right, mate. I apologise for mocking you. Sorry. I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.
Tosh for a moderator, you are at times bit hasty with your comments, I don't think its good business or professionalism to join in the banter with us, your supposed to be the sensible one, it is a bit unprofessional for you seen as your the moderator?? Now if you weren't the moderator then by all means slag and hate all you want. But maybe you should be a bit more neutral?
Don't want you getting in trouble ;D
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for the 'global moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.
Yes, you're right, mate. I apologise for mocking you. Sorry. I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.
Tosh for a moderator, you are at times bit hasty with your comments, I don't think its good business or professionalism to join in the banter with us, your supposed to be the sensible one, it is a bit unprofessional for you seen as your the moderator?? Now if you weren't the moderator then by all means slag and hate all you want. But maybe you should be a bit more neutral?
Don't want you getting in trouble ;D
You can tell your quite new here. ;D
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Actually you've been here since 2010. I take it back.
You should know better by now then. Lol
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For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.
Your a complete div.
If your a wuss then you'll moan about the cold, be a man and get on with it.
I use both and wfp is fantastic, but trad is as fast and faster on some houses, that's what I find. It may be that I'm faster than people like you at trad which is why. However I'm not at all slow with wfp, I've got to a pace that cannot be improved without results suffering, there's no way anyone can be so certain that trad isn't as fast, when it simply is at times.
Not my houses it's not as there mainly of the large variety,do you want me to show you a couple of pictures of big houses so you know what I mean lol
I also clean huge houses, but as stated there are some houses where trad is faster/easier that's all were saying. If wfp was the best way every time, then I wouldn't be bothering to carry trad gear with me.
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Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison
Yes there is a compassion! Of course there is! You are obvious slow at trad so that's why your so sure on wfp. Others, however, are obviously much faster.
I was very quick traditional every 3 run up the ladder almost running but still wouldn't keep up now,how could you be just walking about waving a pole. God I must have climbed to the moon and back many times lol
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and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol
Joey, I take you like to clean windows trad then?
Joking aside, as you're happy cleaning windows that way then you've nothing to justify to anyone else.
I sometimes think that life 100% trad was a whole lot simpler.
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Actually you've been here since 2010. I take it back.
You should know better by now then. Lol
It's more that if someone complained it may mean the site is shut down or gets a bad name (it already has lol) cos a moderator should act professionally.
Yes I've been here since 2010, in 5 years I've learnt almost nothing, but had some cracking laughs on threads like this. This forum is full of know it all's and plonkers.
Take this thread - I simply said that some houses are quicker trad and it turned into world war 3! ;D
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Lot of weak people watching this thread and not backing me up lol,good job I know I'm right
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and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol
Joey, I take you like to clean windows trad then?
Joking aside, as you're happy cleaning windows that way then you've nothing to justify to anyone else.
I sometimes think that life 100% trad was a whole lot simpler.
They both have amazing pros and horrible cons. So having both at your disposal is a no brainer. All bases covered then. However, staying trad isNt a bad thing at all, much less hassle, more profit to layout etc etc etc etc bla bla bla
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Been on here 5 years and learnt nothing is the truest thing you've said this evening lol
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Been on here 5 years and learnt nothing is the truest thing you've said this evening lol
That's one more true point than you've made then ;D
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jakey, ignore them mate, let em get on with it..
funnily enough iv been on pure freedom website might make a purchase soon ;) what wfp system you using? i like the idea of building my own
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and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol
Joey, I take you like to clean windows trad then?
Joking aside, as you're happy cleaning windows that way then you've nothing to justify to anyone else.
I sometimes think that life 100% trad was a whole lot simpler.
yeah mate i love it to be honest, it can be a pain tho. im looking to get wfp sorted in the spring and probably keep it more as a back up / cant be bothered to ladderclimb day thing. There are a few of my rounds id be better off wfp and i aint gonna get any younger i suppose.
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yeah mate i love it to be honest, it can be a pain tho. im looking to get wfp sorted in the spring and probably keep it more as a back up / cant be bothered to ladderclimb day thing. There are a few of my rounds id be better off wfp and i aint gonna get any younger i suppose.
The ladder climb - that's the problem as you get older, it don't get easier or even stay the same.
TBH, if all my work was bungalows and shops, I'd go back to doing it all trad. I'm fortunate in that I don't have a mortgage to pay as it's all paid up.
If you do get a wfp setup, just see it as another tool to do the job with and as time goes on, the advantages (and drawbacks) will become clear.
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You can get more done in a day using WFP than trad
I'll say it again:
You can get more done in a day using WFP than trad.
If WFP didn't exist I wouldn't be a window cleaner. I'm not scared of heights. I don't mind getting cold hands. And I know how to trad and I'm very quick. But the bottom line is you earn more money WFP. Out of all my customers not one of them can be cleaned quicker being done trad. Some may have houses that are slightly quicker - but is that cleaning all the frames and door hinges PROPERLY..? Hmmm.
Someone said they can clean two £10 houses in half an hour whilst WFP would take the same time for one £20 house. 1) That's probably not true. And 2) The trad guy would have to get double the customers, which means double the paperwork. Which also means double the amount of time canvassing and quoting. More customers owing money so a bigger debt list to manage.
Half the work for the same money? From being trad before to now using WFP it's probably a quarter of the work for the same money.
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for the 'global moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.
Yes, you're right, mate. I apologise for mocking you. Sorry. I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.
Tosh for a moderator, you are at times bit hasty with your comments, I don't think its good business or professionalism to join in the banter with us, your supposed to be the sensible one, it is a bit unprofessional for you seen as your the moderator?? Now if you weren't the moderator then by all means slag and hate all you want. But maybe you should be a bit more neutral?
Don't want you getting in trouble ;D
You're right, Jakey.
I don't know who she thinks she is sometimes. She very unprofessional.
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;D
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Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?
Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!
increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG
I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...
I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets
This bloke knows what he's talking about.
If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.
You can rinse like mad but some windows just takes forever compared to trad.
I know this first hand. Wfp is great, trad is just better for some houses, there are times when dragging the hose around and through garages etc is defiantly slower than tradding. It's just a matter of fact. Trad can be faster than wfp on some houses. That's what I said in the original post.
Other benfits with trad are:
Can do Insides
Can hop over gates and fences easily
Can go over garage roofs
Can charge more if other window cleaners won't use trad
Can do first Cleans in half the time of wfp
Can get stains off in seconds on upstairs windows.
Next to zero outlay
Next to zero tool maintenance
Next to zero space in van taken up
No leaks
No freezing
No money to be spent on batteries pumps poles bla bla bla.
The list is endless, there are many many perks to trad.
There are also many perks to wfp, hence why I use it! / Just not for every house. Simple.
you forgot to mention the mundane freezing cold hands freezing cold ladders being on 6-7 bed houses upwards forever in a day feeling completely knackered come Wednesday,and that's without earning about a 1/3 less money than you can earn walking around a job pushing a pole up and down thinking God this is a piece of p. I think I might start doing it off of ladders again I must be an idiot.
a third as much??? lmao your not a window cleaner your a comedian. do you think just because we use a different method to you that we earn minimum wage or something LOL. you where a bit annoying now your just a plain idiot the way you are going on, its like you have to defend your way of cleaning, perhaps its you who doesnt earn enouh you sound pretty insecure, its me and jakey that are happy :D
I'm a happy tradder too! ;D
John
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Jakey hows that chocolate starfish of yours getting on with this cold weather?
Battered by joey eastm0ng I imagine ;D
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jakey, ignore them mate, let em get on with it..
funnily enough iv been on pure freedom website might make a purchase soon ;) what wfp system you using? i like the idea of building my own
Is that code for you'll be round later with the butter and Vaseline? ;D
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jakey, ignore them mate, let em get on with it..
funnily enough iv been on pure freedom website might make a purchase soon ;) what wfp system you using? i like the idea of building my own
Is that code for you'll be round later with the butter and Vaseline? ;D
You pair are the lowest of low, why are you both obsessed with gay sex?
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jakey, ignore them mate, let em get on with it..
funnily enough iv been on pure freedom website might make a purchase soon ;) what wfp system you using? i like the idea of building my own
Happy to help you diy one mate, if your nearby! I just got my system on eBay, a few second hand parts and then some new stuff on eBay as well...
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There are window cleaners and there are pole pushes.
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Hey fellow window cleaners, new to the forum. And must say theres some interesting topics going on. Finding it very useful! Been reading threw the 16 pages og this particular topic and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system. I've been window cleaning for 10 years now have a wfp system for some office cleans and windows above conservatorys etc. But got to say there's nothing like getting on a ladder and getting close up to the window and cleaning it OLD SCHOOL.. and I actually find the ladders quicker on alot of jobs because majority of my work are regularly cleans so piece of p to whip round it all. There's to guys on here jakey and joeyeastwood. They've got the right idea. If you're old fat and cant get up a ladder then fair play. I detect abit of jealousy from hummer and window licker!!!@
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and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system.
Where did I say that?
Im actually of the opinion that you can't really call yourself an all round, skilled window cleaner unless you've mastered the art of squeegee and mop, with both hands. I fall into that category.
However, for the vast majority of work done, be that domestic or commercial, the superior method, which ticks all the boxes, which trad never will, ever, is WFP.
Are we meant to believe that your not one of the two gay stooges? Coming from Colchester. You're not the full ticket chap are you.
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and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system.
Where did I say that?
Im actually of the opinion that you can't really call yourself an all round, skilled window cleaner unless you've mastered the art of squeegee and mop, with both hands. I fall into that category.
However, for the vast majority of work done, be that domestic or commercial, the superior method, which ticks all the boxes, which trad never will, ever, is WFP.
Are we meant to believe that your not one of the two gay stooges? Coming from Colchester. You're not the full ticket chap are you.
The thing is you are extremely opinionated mate, and you are a total tw@t at times. The new guy obviously sees that from reading your posts.
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
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Hey fellow window cleaners, new to the forum. And must say theres some interesting topics going on. Finding it very useful! Been reading threw the 16 pages og this particular topic and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system. I've been window cleaning for 10 years now have a wfp system for some office cleans and windows above conservatorys etc. But got to say there's nothing like getting on a ladder and getting close up to the window and cleaning it OLD SCHOOL.. and I actually find the ladders quicker on alot of jobs because majority of my work are regularly cleans so piece of p to whip round it all. There's to guys on here jakey and joeyeastwood. They've got the right idea. If you're old fat and cant get up a ladder then fair play. I detect abit of jealousy from hummer and window licker!!!@
Welcome to the forum mate,you quickly learn who the complete idiots are, namely window licker hummer and a few others,
You'll probably not learn much, a minority on here are just here to be immature gimps, who's sole purpose is to channel there personal issues towards fellow window cleaners.
There main issues are jealousy and envy.
Don't post a picture of yourself they'll probably literally DIE from jealousy! ;D
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Seems to me that me being a numpty is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
Ask the moderator to prove that then? He's certainly not me you fat ugly imbesile. I absolutely swear by that. You just can't handle another person seeing how pathetic you are!
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Steady on guys! Back on topic, there are guys who swear by trad, other who are wfp only, and others who use both.There will always be differences of opinion as to who is right, because we all have our own way which is right for us.
Why not agree to disagree on this one, without getting personal.
By the way, I am trad, 18 years in the game, and still get overtaken by snails leaving their trails across the glass!
Best wishes to y'all.
John
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Steady on guys! Back on topic, there are guys who swear by trad, other who are wfp only, and others who use both.There will always be differences of opinion as to who is right, because we all have our own way which is right for us.
Why not agree to disagree on this one, without getting personal.
By the way, I am trad, 18 years in the game, and still get overtaken by snails leaving their trails across the glass!
Best wishes to y'all.
John
Exactly, all I said was some houses are faster using trad. Simple really isn't it? But you always get the plonkers disputing everything someone says!
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Don't post a picture of yourself they'll probably literally DIE from jealousy! ;D
How about we start with this one then ;)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193277.0;attach=36788)
Who is that supposed to be?
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Steady on guys! Back on topic, there are guys who swear by trad, other who are wfp only, and others who use both.There will always be differences of opinion as to who is right, because we all have our own way which is right for us.
Why not agree to disagree on this one, without getting personal.
By the way, I am trad, 18 years in the game, and still get overtaken by snails leaving their trails across the glass!
Best wishes to y'all.
John
Exactly, all I said was some houses are faster using trad. Simple really isn't it? But you always get the plonkers disputing everything someone says!
I know Jakey. It used to bother me when trad was slated on here, as I felt it undermined my confidence, particularly because I am so slow (OCD perhaps). But then I realized that what anyone else thinks about who I am or how I go about my business, or even what I earn has nothing to do with anyone else, so I just laugh about it now!
I may well agree with you about some houses being faster with trad. If I were using a pole you could be sure of it!
John
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
;D Poor ickle jakeys got no friends so he has to make them up and then talk to himself!
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
;D Poor ickle jakeys got no friends so he has to make them up and then talk to himself!
Prove it bummer boy?
I'd love to see your ugly face when your proven wrong! Ha ha!
Your the one with no friends mate, it's clear as day.
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Hey fellow window cleaners, new to the forum. And must say theres some interesting topics going on. Finding it very useful! Been reading threw the 16 pages og this particular topic and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system. I've been window cleaning for 10 years now have a wfp system for some office cleans and windows above conservatorys etc. But got to say there's nothing like getting on a ladder and getting close up to the window and cleaning it OLD SCHOOL.. and I actually find the ladders quicker on alot of jobs because majority of my work are regularly cleans so piece of p to whip round it all. There's to guys on here jakey and joeyeastwood. They've got the right idea. If you're old fat and cant get up a ladder then fair play. I detect abit of jealousy from hummer and window licker!!!@
Hi Jakey :D
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Hey fellow window cleaners, new to the forum. And must say theres some interesting topics going on. Finding it very useful! Been reading threw the 16 pages og this particular topic and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system. I've been window cleaning for 10 years now have a wfp system for some office cleans and windows above conservatorys etc. But got to say there's nothing like getting on a ladder and getting close up to the window and cleaning it OLD SCHOOL.. and I actually find the ladders quicker on alot of jobs because majority of my work are regularly cleans so piece of p to whip round it all. There's to guys on here jakey and joeyeastwood. They've got the right idea. If you're old fat and cant get up a ladder then fair play. I detect abit of jealousy from hummer and window licker!!!@
Welcome to the forum mate,you quickly learn who the complete idiots are, namely window licker hummer and a few others,
You'll probably not learn much, a minority on here are just here to be immature gimps, who's sole purpose is to channel there personal issues towards fellow window cleaners.
There main issues are jealousy and envy.
Don't post a picture of yourself they'll probably literally DIE from jealousy! ;D
Jakey Jakey Jakey.... ;D
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
;D Poor ickle jakeys got no friends so he has to make them up and then talk to himself!
Prove it bummer boy?
I'd love to see your ugly face when your proven wrong! Ha ha!
Your the one with no friends mate, it's clear as day.
You'd love to see my face? Just confirming further your gayness :-\
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It's a bit of an 'how long is a piece of string' thread
One pole could be quicker on one house and another next door. The same with ladders. You wouldn't pole one house; trad next door; pole the front of the next and trad the back etc.
Eventually we choose the tools and methods that suit us the best for most of the time
But because it suits us, it doesn't make it any better or any worse than what others do.
Speed, safety, finish etc.......well, that's another thread :-\.
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Hey fellow window cleaners, new to the forum. And must say theres some interesting topics going on. Finding it very useful! Been reading threw the 16 pages og this particular topic and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system. I've been window cleaning for 10 years now have a wfp system for some office cleans and windows above conservatorys etc. But got to say there's nothing like getting on a ladder and getting close up to the window and cleaning it OLD SCHOOL.. and I actually find the ladders quicker on alot of jobs because majority of my work are regularly cleans so piece of p to whip round it all. There's to guys on here jakey and joeyeastwood. They've got the right idea. If you're old fat and cant get up a ladder then fair play. I detect abit of jealousy from hummer and window licker!!!@
Hmmmmm
Mayb TOSH can do some detective work on this one.........
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Blimey gents!!!
Its getting a bit personsal now isn't it?!?
We all lick glass for a living, does it matter what the preferred method is??
I dont get why everyone is trying to ram trad/wfp down peoples throats for, its a forum, are you really that bothered what people you dont know are doing?!
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Different tools are needed for different jobs.
I do a lot of commercial so I trad every day.I have also been cleaning window for a very long time so am not scarred of adverse to ladders.
But the fact is this ,it dosn't matter how fast trad is compared to wfp,wfp pole is safer that is a fact and that far out weighs any speed or cost issue.
I have also gained a lot more better and higher priced work from being wfp than I ever did trad.
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5 star thread ;D
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Hey fellow window cleaners, new to the forum. And must say theres some interesting topics going on. Finding it very useful! Been reading threw the 16 pages og this particular topic and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system. I've been window cleaning for 10 years now have a wfp system for some office cleans and windows above conservatorys etc. But got to say there's nothing like getting on a ladder and getting close up to the window and cleaning it OLD SCHOOL.. and I actually find the ladders quicker on alot of jobs because majority of my work are regularly cleans so piece of p to whip round it all. There's to guys on here jakey and joeyeastwood. They've got the right idea. If you're old fat and cant get up a ladder then fair play. I detect abit of jealousy from hummer and window licker!!!@
Hmmmmm
Mayb TOSH can do some detective work on this one.........
Yep up for that!
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
;D Poor ickle jakeys got no friends so he has to make them up and then talk to himself!
Prove it bummer boy?
I'd love to see your ugly face when your proven wrong! Ha ha!
Your the one with no friends mate, it's clear as day.
You'd love to see my face? Just confirming further your gayness :-\
Yep, I'd love to see your ugly face after you find out that the new guy is indeed a new guy,
You'll never be able to have a good looking man my friend, now stop flirting with me a joey, go back to your boyfriend,
Just to clarify you and window licker are trying to use 'gay' comments all because im such an amazingly good looking lad? Lmao. You reek of jealousy ;D
You'll just never be me bummer boy, so stop venting anger at me because if your jealousy.
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Different tools are needed for different jobs.
I do a lot of commercial so I trad every day.I have also been cleaning window for a very long time so am not scarred of adverse to ladders.
But the fact is this ,it dosn't matter how fast trad is compared to wfp,wfp pole is safer that is a fact and that far out weighs any speed or cost issue.
I have also gained a lot more better and higher priced work from being wfp than I ever did trad.
Just done a new commercial job today. Tilt and turn windows.
WFP took an hour todo front and back.
Sides were done in 30 mins AND both sides cleaned lol.
Slightly more glass on sides as well.
i would say it was safer to tilt and turn instead of WFP. As fronts means standing in a road!
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Different tools are needed for different jobs.
I do a lot of commercial so I trad every day.I have also been cleaning window for a very long time so am not scarred of adverse to ladders.
But the fact is this ,it dosn't matter how fast trad is compared to wfp,wfp pole is safer that is a fact and that far out weighs any speed or cost issue.
I have also gained a lot more better and higher priced work from being wfp than I ever did trad.
Just done a new commercial job today. Tilt and turn windows.
WFP took an hour todo front and back.
Sides were done in 30 mins AND both sides cleaned lol.
Slightly more glass on sides as well.
i would say it was safer to tilt and turn instead of WFP. As fronts means standing in a road!
There are exceptions and you defiantly don't want to be standing in the road with your pole that's why a lot of work over 3rd floor will get cleaned by absailing or other methods especially in London where busy roads are present.
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
;D Poor ickle jakeys got no friends so he has to make them up and then talk to himself!
Prove it bummer boy?
I'd love to see your ugly face when your proven wrong! Ha ha!
Your the one with no friends mate, it's clear as day.
You'd love to see my face? Just confirming further your gayness :-\
Yep, I'd love to see your ugly face after you find out that the new guy is indeed a new guy,
You'll never be able to have a good looking man my friend, now stop flirting with me a joey, go back to your boyfriend,
Just to clarify you and window licker are trying to use 'gay' comments all because im such an amazingly good looking lad? Lmao. You reek of jealousy ;D
You'll just never be me bummer boy, so stop venting anger at me because if your jealousy.
Thank God for that ;D
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
;D Poor ickle jakeys got no friends so he has to make them up and then talk to himself!
Prove it bummer boy?
I'd love to see your ugly face when your proven wrong! Ha ha!
Your the one with no friends mate, it's clear as day.
You'd love to see my face? Just confirming further your gayness :-\
Yep, I'd love to see your ugly face after you find out that the new guy is indeed a new guy,
You'll never be able to have a good looking man my friend, now stop flirting with me a joey, go back to your boyfriend,
Just to clarify you and window licker are trying to use 'gay' comments all because im such an amazingly good looking lad? Lmao. You reek of jealousy ;D
You'll just never be me bummer boy, so stop venting anger at me because if your jealousy.
Thank God for that ;D
Your too used to bring fat and ugly ;D
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Seems to me that me being a tw@t is more of a problem to you than it is to me.
I'm opinionated because of my experience.
The new gay guy is you.
;D Poor ickle jakeys got no friends so he has to make them up and then talk to himself!
Prove it bummer boy?
I'd love to see your ugly face when your proven wrong! Ha ha!
Your the one with no friends mate, it's clear as day.
You'd love to see my face? Just confirming further your gayness :-\
Yep, I'd love to see your ugly face after you find out that the new guy is indeed a new guy,
You'll never be able to have a good looking man my friend, now stop flirting with me a joey, go back to your boyfriend,
Just to clarify you and window licker are trying to use 'gay' comments all because im such an amazingly good looking lad? Lmao. You reek of jealousy ;D
You'll just never be me bummer boy, so stop venting anger at me because if your jealousy.
Thank God for that ;D
Your too used to bring fat and ugly ;D
Bring?
M0ng ;D
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Hey fellow window cleaners, new to the forum. And must say theres some interesting topics going on. Finding it very useful! Been reading threw the 16 pages og this particular topic and strongly disagree with hummer and window licker about there views on the only way is pole system. I've been window cleaning for 10 years now have a wfp system for some office cleans and windows above conservatorys etc. But got to say there's nothing like getting on a ladder and getting close up to the window and cleaning it OLD SCHOOL.. and I actually find the ladders quicker on alot of jobs because majority of my work are regularly cleans so piece of p to whip round it all. There's to guys on here jakey and joeyeastwood. They've got the right idea. If you're old fat and cant get up a ladder then fair play. I detect abit of jealousy from hummer and window licker!!!@f
well said mate
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im about an hour drive away from you jakey, if i put my foot down haha ;) yeah that be great, i used a mates system for a couple of weeks when i was part-time and he sprained his ankle so i covered his work, apart from that iv not got a lot of knowledge, be good to get a set up in the summer for a few of my taller houses lol. at least theres one guy on here whos not a total tw@ even the moderators are up there own @ss it seems,
as for new guy if your implying its me check the i.p adress, different from mine and jakeys so obv not us, as if wed b that sad for a start.
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It's Saturday night fellas.
Have a beer.
;D
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It's Saturday night fellas.
Have a beer.
;D
yeah exactly, lifes too short. il probs prefer wfp when i get it, i may even get fat n lazy n ditch my ladders ;) hahaha
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It's Saturday night fellas.
Have a beer.
;D
yeah exactly, lifes too short. il probs prefer wfp when i get it, i may even get fat n lazy n ditch my ladders ;) hahaha
Oih! nothing wrong with being lazy...now bugger off and do something more interesting
instead ;D
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It's Saturday night fellas.
Have a beer.
;D
yeah exactly, lifes too short. il probs prefer wfp when i get it, i may even get fat n lazy n ditch my ladders ;) hahaha
Oih! nothing wrong with being lazy...now bugger off and do something more interesting
instead ;D
you know i never mentioned your name and you piped up, funny that ;D its not your fault they dont do diet digestives is it :-[
;D
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It's Saturday night fellas.
Have a beer.
;D
yeah exactly, lifes too short. il probs prefer wfp when i get it, i may even get fat n lazy n ditch my ladders ;) hahaha
Oih! nothing wrong with being lazy...now bugger off and do something more interesting
instead ;D
you know i never mentioned your name and you piped up, funny that ;D its not your fault they dont do diet digestives is it :-[
;D
Gary's not fat.
He's just short for his weight. ;D
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im about an hour drive away from you jakey, if i put my foot down haha ;) yeah that be great, i used a mates system for a couple of weeks when i was part-time and he sprained his ankle so i covered his work, apart from that iv not got a lot of knowledge, be good to get a set up in the summer for a few of my taller houses lol. at least theres one guy on here whos not a total tw@ even the moderators are up there own @ss it seems,
as for new guy if your implying its me check the i.p adress, different from mine and jakeys so obv not us, as if wed b that sad for a start.
I'm sure we can sort something out Mate, get a little system in your van, diy is fairly easy, let me know and we can meet up some time to sort it out...
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It's Saturday night fellas.
Have a beer.
;D
yeah exactly, lifes too short. il probs prefer wfp when i get it, i may even get fat n lazy n ditch my ladders ;) hahaha
Oih! nothing wrong with being lazy...now bugger off and do something more interesting
instead ;D
you know i never mentioned your name and you piped up, funny that ;D its not your fault they dont do diet digestives is it :-[
;D
Gary's not fat.
He's just short for his weight. ;D
Im short for any weight ;D
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im about an hour drive away from you jakey, if i put my foot down haha ;) yeah that be great, i used a mates system for a couple of weeks when i was part-time and he sprained his ankle so i covered his work, apart from that iv not got a lot of knowledge, be good to get a set up in the summer for a few of my taller houses lol. at least theres one guy on here whos not a total tw@ even the moderators are up there own @ss it seems,
as for new guy if your implying its me check the i.p adress, different from mine and jakeys so obv not us, as if wed b that sad for a start.
I'm sure we can sort something out Mate, get a little system in your van, diy is fairly easy, let me know and we can meet up some time to sort it out...
sound :) iv been having a look for a while now, i think from next year i wanna be 25% wfp, dont think il ever ditch my ladders though haha. gonna invest in a new van next month i think and see how it goes
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im about an hour drive away from you jakey, if i put my foot down haha ;) yeah that be great, i used a mates system for a couple of weeks when i was part-time and he sprained his ankle so i covered his work, apart from that iv not got a lot of knowledge, be good to get a set up in the summer for a few of my taller houses lol. at least theres one guy on here whos not a total tw@ even the moderators are up there own @ss it seems,
as for new guy if your implying its me check the i.p adress, different from mine and jakeys so obv not us, as if wed b that sad for a start.
I'm sure we can sort something out Mate, get a little system in your van, diy is fairly easy, let me know and we can meet up some time to sort it out...
sound :) iv been having a look for a while now, i think from next year i wanna be 25% wfp, dont think il ever ditch my ladders though haha. gonna invest in a new van next month i think and see how it goes
I reckon within 12 months you will be 90% WFP. That's what happened to most of us. :)
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im about an hour drive away from you jakey, if i put my foot down haha ;) yeah that be great, i used a mates system for a couple of weeks when i was part-time and he sprained his ankle so i covered his work, apart from that iv not got a lot of knowledge, be good to get a set up in the summer for a few of my taller houses lol. at least theres one guy on here whos not a total tw@ even the moderators are up there own @ss it seems,
as for new guy if your implying its me check the i.p adress, different from mine and jakeys so obv not us, as if wed b that sad for a start.
I'm sure we can sort something out Mate, get a little system in your van, diy is fairly easy, let me know and we can meet up some time to sort it out...
sound :) iv been having a look for a while now, i think from next year i wanna be 25% wfp, dont think il ever ditch my ladders though haha. gonna invest in a new van next month i think and see how it goes
I reckon within 12 months you will be 90% WFP. That's what happened to most of us. :)
not unless i replace most of my highest priced work, wfp wouldnt work or be very awkward. got a few years left in me yet, by the time it comes to it i probably wont be working a lot myself anyway lol
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im about an hour drive away from you jakey, if i put my foot down haha ;) yeah that be great, i used a mates system for a couple of weeks when i was part-time and he sprained his ankle so i covered his work, apart from that iv not got a lot of knowledge, be good to get a set up in the summer for a few of my taller houses lol. at least theres one guy on here whos not a total tw@ even the moderators are up there own @ss it seems,
as for new guy if your implying its me check the i.p adress, different from mine and jakeys so obv not us, as if wed b that sad for a start.
I'm sure we can sort something out Mate, get a little system in your van, diy is fairly easy, let me know and we can meet up some time to sort it out...
sound :) iv been having a look for a while now, i think from next year i wanna be 25% wfp, dont think il ever ditch my ladders though haha. gonna invest in a new van next month i think and see how it goes
I reckon within 12 months you will be 90% WFP. That's what happened to most of us. :)
not unless i replace most of my highest priced work, wfp wouldnt work or be very awkward. got a few years left in me yet, by the time it comes to it i probably wont be working a lot myself anyway lol
If it's really awkward access (which I doubt) then you use a trolley with 25 litres. Easy. Plenty guys here run trolley systems and backpacks for that reason.
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personally for houses like that id rather carry a ladder than a trolley, lol. mayb ur right mayb il be transformed into a polew@nker fulltime lol, il have to let you know ;)