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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Trev Jones on January 28, 2015, 01:18:48 pm
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Hi All
I would just like to share my findings with the new poles from Ex-ceed Innovation.
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/
I have used Gardiner pole for the last 5 years, I have had a SLX22 which is now an emergency pole, our everyday poles which we have been using until recently are a SLX25 and Extreme25. Gardiner poles are one of the best poles in the world and I have always loved using them, but IMO they now have some real competiiton, which can only be good for all of us window cleaners out there.
I purchased a 25ft full carbon tubeless pole (stage1) from Steve at Exceed Innovation 2 weeks ago, my findings are as follows:
1. The look - when holding the pole it feels and looks like a top quality product.
2. The weight - it is a very light pole, its just a bit heavier than the SLX25, but not noticeble when holding both in your hands.
3. The tubeless pole set up is ingenius, it works brilliantly and was one of the main reasons for buying the pole. I could see a time saving in not having to coil the hose up when putting the pole away and not having to uncoil the hose when starting to clean the windows. I was not disappointed it does save time and prevents the irritating moments when you get tangles. Although the time saving is not massive, maybe 15-30 mins a day at a guess, it all adds up over the year. Another bonus point is that the pole hose can be cleaned with a cloth every time you wind it in. Connecting and disconnecting of the pole to the hose is easy and a one handed operation.
4. Stiffness - this pole is stiffer than a SLX25 and is on a par with my Extreme25, which is a real bonus.
5. End cap - the end cap is made of foam, the harder stuff, so it will help protect against banging into cars or other items on customers property.
6. The clamps/sections - The clamps are fantastic, they are lateral and have areally smooth action and clamp really well, they have a locking nut to keep them set in place, but they nuts are not too tight that they can not be adjusted with your fingers if needed. The sections slide up and down smoothly as should be expected when being extended or closed.
7. The blue hose - this hose sits on the ground flat instead of being coiled up like the orange hose, this is probably down to the fact that it gets wound onto your hose reel, instead of a twist being put in it when coiling it up when packing away.
8. The aqua-dapter - This has been out there for years so I dont need to review this, it works exactly the same as it has always done and is another great product.
9. The angle adapter - The angle adapter is now quick release, this is so much better, its faster to change brushes than the quick loc. All you need to do is fit the front part of the angle adapter to each of your different brushes.
10. Cleaning - The section 1 can be taken out when the clamp screw is untightened, this can be rinsed and wiped on the outsdie, theres no need to rinse the inside as no dirt gets up this section. The other sections can be extended and rinsed out and wiped down as normal. Section 1 can be put back in easily and the clamp re-tightened for normal use.
After one weeks use I have now purchased a second pole from Exceed, I have sold me SLX25, the Extreme25 (this has extensions to make it a Extreme35 & Extreme47) will be set up for occasional use on higher work.
The only thing I can not comment on is the longevity of the pole, time will tell if it stands upto the job, but it looks very very promising.
I am more than happy with the pole and it has made the decision to swap over an easy one to make. Steve comes across as a nice decent guy and has been very helpful and quick to respond.
Kind regards
Trev
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I think I will giving this pole a try as I'm not a great fan of the new Gardiner clamps, nice review Trev.
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Thanks for the review
I think these poles are going to be one to watch.
I don't need a new pole as yet but will be on my shortlist ;)
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If Gardiners don't answer their phone soon, I'll be buying one as well. Tried calling umpteen times as I have a query about my order
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Brilliant! Someone picked up, then hung up before I had chance to say anything. Back to answer service now. Sort it out Alex :(
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Could be tempting this pole for a lot of persons
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Can you get goose necks for these poles?
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Brilliant! Someone picked up, then hung up before I had chance to say anything. Back to answer service now. Sort it out Alex :(
The phones are ringing off the hook today - the Office Team simply cannot deal with the volume of calls fast enough. For some reason we are having our busiest January ever :) If you want to place an order then I would advise placing the order online as this will then bypass the sales team and will go straight through to the fulfillment and packing team.
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2 weeks after using a pole ??? , Hardly long enough to give a fair review more like 6 months of abuse that will be telling .
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2 weeks after using a pole ??? , Hardly long enough to give a fair review more like 6 months of abuse that will be telling .
He has stated that he can't comment on the longevity of the pole.
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Sounds good, thanks.
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Brilliant! Someone picked up, then hung up before I had chance to say anything. Back to answer service now. Sort it out Alex :(
The phones are ringing off the hook today - the Office Team simply cannot deal with the volume of calls fast enough. For some reason we are having our busiest January ever :) If you want to place an order then I would advise placing the order online as this will then bypass the sales team and will go straight through to the fulfillment and packing team.
That's because your site was down for weeks. ;D I still get loading bugs
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Brilliant! Someone picked up, then hung up before I had chance to say anything. Back to answer service now. Sort it out Alex :(
The phones are ringing off the hook today - the Office Team simply cannot deal with the volume of calls fast enough. For some reason we are having our busiest January ever :) If you want to place an order then I would advise placing the order online as this will then bypass the sales team and will go straight through to the fulfillment and packing team.
I love this! ;D
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That's because your site was down for weeks. ;D I still get loading bugs
Probably get pills for that ;D
Even allowing for the nearly 3 week close-down we have had a significantly busier January than ever before - not complaining!
It may be that you need to clear the cache on your PC?
We are still very much in the finishing stage with the site and have yet to fully run the site as a finished article with regard to loading times and pages caching etc.
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That's because your site was down for weeks. ;D I still get loading bugs
Probably get pills for that ;D
Even allowing for the nearly 3 week close-down we have had a significantly busier January than ever before - not complaining!
It may be that you need to clear the cache on your PC?
We are still very much in the finishing stage with the site and have yet to fully run the site as a finished article with regard to loading times and pages caching etc.
January was up but December was a NO NO ;)
Don't you blame my PC on your crappy web site Alex Gardiner ;) ;)
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My concern with this exceed tubeless idea is the pole hose being in the reel. When I coil my hose up I run it through a rag in my hand to remove all the dirt grit & prevent premature pole wear. I can only imagine this is much more hassle when the hose is permanently connected to the reel? Also my reel hose is subject to some heavy abuse, is pole hose up to the job?
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Brilliant! Someone picked up, then hung up before I had chance to say anything. Back to answer service now. Sort it out Alex :(
The phones are ringing off the hook today - the Office Team simply cannot deal with the volume of calls fast enough. For some reason we are having our busiest January ever :) If you want to place an order then I would advise placing the order online as this will then bypass the sales team and will go straight through to the fulfillment and packing team.
I love this! ;D
Sounds a fancy title - but it is exactly what we have :) We have separate teams for each department and the 'fulfillment and packing team, which is made up of 10 employees (not always in on the same days), are able to access internet orders independently and can often get 4 or 5 separate internet orders packed and ready to go out whilst a sales team member is talking just 1 client through an order choice.
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My concern with this exceed tubeless idea is the pole hose being in the reel. When I coil my hose up I run it through a rag in my hand to remove all the dirt grit & prevent premature pole wear. I can only imagine this is much more hassle when the hose is permanently connected to the reel? Also my reel hose is subject to some heavy abuse, is pole hose up to the job?
When winding in the hose, I always bring back the end of the blue hose back to the van, so its not dragging along the floor when winding in the hose. I have always brought back the end of the hose to the van to stop connectors being damaged when winding in. The blue pole hose is cleaned with a cloth in your hand as its wound onto the reel. When connected the blue hose gets no more abuse than it would if it was permanantly connected to the brush end of the pole.
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My concern with this exceed tubeless idea is the pole hose being in the reel. When I coil my hose up I run it through a rag in my hand to remove all the dirt grit & prevent premature pole wear. I can only imagine this is much more hassle when the hose is permanently connected to the reel? Also my reel hose is subject to some heavy abuse, is pole hose up to the job?
When winding in the hose, I always bring back the end of the blue hose back to the van, so its not dragging along the floor when winding in the hose. I have always brought back the end of the hose to the van to stop connectors being damaged when winding in. The blue pole hose is cleaned with a cloth in your hand as its wound onto the reel. When connected the blue hose gets no more abuse than it would if it was permanantly connected to the brush end of the pole.
Every ones hose isn't blue. Some mini or micro is blue, some pole hose is blue. I have yellow with yellow
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I used to have yellow with orange.
I'm just trying to paint a clearer picture in describing what I mean as regards to this pole :)
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How does the water travel up through the pole to the brush?
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How does the water travel up through the pole to the brush?
The first section has a length of pole hose inside it that has a ez-male connector fixed in a central position at the base, this hose runs up the centre of this section from the base to the brush end and comes out of the angle adapter or is fastened straight into the aqua-dapter. So when connecting the rest of the hose, you click an ez-female connector to the ez-male connector and thats it in place. When the pole is extended/closed this connection/hose travels up and down with the first section. Hope this is understandable, its quite difficult to put down in words.
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Hose in each section
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Patience prevailed, order made Alex. I was a pain in the ass so the picker probably got out 10-1 in my case ;D
I'd love to see one of these ex-ceed poles in action though, if anyone has one locally to Swindon
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I would assume that the only hose within the pole is the length of the pole when closed, then when you plug your reel hose into the fitting on the pole it just takes the hose off your reel as you extend..
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How does the water travel up through the pole to the brush?
The first section has a length of pole hose inside it that has a ez-male connector fixed in a central position at the base, this hose runs up the centre of this section from the base to the brush end and comes out of the angle adapter or is fastened straight into the aqua-dapter. So when connecting the rest of the hose, you click an ez-female connector to the ez-male connector and thats it in place. When the pole is extended/closed this connection/hose travels up and down with the first section. Hope this is understandable, its quite difficult to put down in words.
thanks for that Trev , I understand it now. But surely with micro or mini bore running up the length of a fully extended pole its going to make that pole very heavy?
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I would assume that the only hose within the pole is the length of the pole when closed, then when you plug your reel hose into the fitting on the pole it just takes the hose off your reel as you extend..
cheers
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The reel hose doesn't travel up the pole. On your reel you have your microbore/minibore, connected to that is 50ft of pole hose, this is on your reel, this is what connects to the pole. So you only have pole hose going up and down your pole.
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The reel hose doesn't travel up the pole. On your reel you have your microbore/minibore, connected to that is 50ft of pole hose, this is on your reel, this is what connects to the pole. So you only have pole hose going up and down your pole.
silly me lol thanks for that Trev
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So is the long pole hose that is connected to the reel able to cope with being pulled from the reel and being dragged around corners etc?And what is the connection like from micro/mini to pole hose like with the rigours of being pulled , does it ever disconnect?
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I pull the pole hose off the reel until I get to the connector, then I grab the connector and walk to the job pulling the microbore hose, going back to the van I also walk back holding the connector and pulling the microbore back.
The connection has one of the following on to protect it, this connection never needs to be disconnected, but is easy to do if needed:
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/shop/hoses-connectors/connector-protector/
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I pull the pole hose off the reel until I get to the connector, then I grab the connector and walk to the job pulling the microbore hose, going back to the van I also walk back holding the connector and pulling the microbore back.
The connection has one of the following on to protect it, this connection never needs to be disconnected, but is easy to do if needed:
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/shop/hoses-connectors/connector-protector/
so thats the coupler that connects pole hose to reel hose ?
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Nice review, good to see the pole is of decent quality.
For me the tubeless connection would not be time saving, and would just add yet another connection into the mix, ie. Connector inside pole, connector from pole hose to microbore hose. As yet never had an issue winding pole hose onto reel and never need to disconnect pole after each job.
The very best bit, that's been totally underrated is the quick release flip fast, I didn't like the quick loc system so brought one of these, it's bloody ace! I now have converted all my angles goosenecks to quick release ( easy mod ) I now can change brush head faster than the quick loc way.
Darran
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I pull the pole hose off the reel until I get to the connector, then I grab the connector and walk to the job pulling the microbore hose, going back to the van I also walk back holding the connector and pulling the microbore back.
The connection has one of the following on to protect it, this connection never needs to be disconnected, but is easy to do if needed:
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/shop/hoses-connectors/connector-protector/
so thats the coupler that connects pole hose to reel hose ?
No that's the protector that goes over the ez-snap fitting or the pro26 fitting
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i really like this idea although calling it hoseless is abit gimmicky as its only part hoseless when disconnected!!
a couple of things for me, ive heard from a few people theyre great poles but somone told me the blue hose kept coiling for them but maybe as its new.
i was thinking about buying one unfortunatly ive just bought a new slx in oct so no need for a new pole yet but i fancied trying the hoseless system myself on my gardiner and wanted to order the protective sleeve for the rectus and theres no where on the exceed site to order one, that puts me off as you can buy every single part on the gardiner site and i want to know i can be able to buy a single part if i needed to?
next the price, i thought these looked a really good deal with the hose system and a aquadapter but looking at the prices now they dont include the aquadapter and a 22 full carbon is £20-30 more than an slx22 and you get a brush with that.
these are my only issues with this pole as ive heard nothing but good things about the pole itself and im pretty certain that disconnecting the hose from the pole will save time wrapping up when finished.
for me though at the moment gardiner havent been knocked off theyre perch!!
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i really like this idea although calling it hoseless is abit gimmicky as its only part hoseless when disconnected!!
a couple of things for me, ive heard from a few people theyre great poles but somone told me the blue hose kept coiling for them but maybe as its new.
i was thinking about buying one unfortunatly ive just bought a new slx in oct so no need for a new pole yet but i fancied trying the hoseless system myself on my gardiner and wanted to order the protective sleeve for the rectus and theres no where on the exceed site to order one, that puts me off as you can buy every single part on the gardiner site and i want to know i can be able to buy a single part if i needed to?
next the price, i thought these looked a really good deal with the hose system and a aquadapter but looking at the prices now they dont include the aquadapter and a 22 full carbon is £20-30 more than an slx22 and you get a brush with that.
these are my only issues with this pole as ive heard nothing but good things about the pole itself and im pretty certain that disconnecting the hose from the pole will save time wrapping up when finished.
for me though at the moment gardiner havent been knocked off theyre perch!!
Hi cheshire window cleaning services,
Im actually thinking of making conversion kits to fit a number of poles, gardiner poles included.
I will make a brief video showing exactly how to diy your poles.
Steven.
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hi mate, i remember you briefly selling them then started doing them by post only and then nothing, i think it would be a good idea pal as i understand you could be concerned that maybe people will carry on buying other companies poles but with your fitting but i think if your poles are good enough over time the reputation of them will encourage people to buy them, as i said ive only recently bought an new slx22 and an slx39 but who know in the future if people are still rating your poles then i'll definatley be considering them!
i cant see fitting the kit an issue at all, ive part made my own kit from the post going around where you use a 22mm plastic radiator hose insert but its the rectus fitting ive not had time to find a decent rubber sleeve, if you sold the fittings at the right price i'd be interested in a kit!
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I pull the pole hose off the reel until I get to the connector, then I grab the connector and walk to the job pulling the microbore hose, going back to the van I also walk back holding the connector and pulling the microbore back.
The connection has one of the following on to protect it, this connection never needs to be disconnected, but is easy to do if needed:
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/shop/hoses-connectors/connector-protector/
so thats the coupler that connects pole hose to reel hose ?
Your thinking exactly what I thought the system was. Its the same but rectus is in pole and thin pole can be wound onto reel because it has a straight connector like the long blue thing in link. We need a pole hose that's like reel hose. No knots or kinks. That way, it would be ace
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/shop/water-fed-poles/gardiner-slxclx-tubeless-conversion-kit-for-6mm-microbore/
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hi mate, i remember you briefly selling them then started doing them by post only and then nothing, i think it would be a good idea pal as i understand you could be concerned that maybe people will carry on buying other companies poles but with your fitting but i think if your poles are good enough over time the reputation of them will encourage people to buy them, as i said ive only recently bought an new slx22 and an slx39 but who know in the future if people are still rating your poles then i'll definatley be considering them!
i cant see fitting the kit an issue at all, ive part made my own kit from the post going around where you use a 22mm plastic radiator hose insert but its the rectus fitting ive not had time to find a decent rubber sleeve, if you sold the fittings at the right price i'd be interested in a kit!
http://ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk/shop/water-fed-poles/gardiner-slxclx-tubeless-conversion-kit-for-6mm-microbore/
There you go ;)
Steven.
cheers pal but to be honest thats way too expensive for what is basically just a couple of rectus fittings with sleeves,abit of hose and that top tube fitting which i wouldnt use!
if you sell the rectus fittings and sleeves separately i'll have those off you and i i presume you'll be selling them separately sooner or later anyway for customers who require individual parts rather than the full kit if they need replacements?
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Well done Steven, it's great your making the conversion kit available.
At £45. It's a fair price for a concept you've brought to market.
I have just finished my fourth week with this tubeless system. Having a dry van and pole hose on the reel that keeps it from tangling, is a massive improvement for me.
Tony.
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heres a guide for a primative version that somone sent me, exactly the same idea though!
1. Buy a pack of John Guest 22mm pipe inserts from B&Q - about £3 for 5 - Photo1
2. Slide out the No.1 section from a Gardiner (or most other brand poles) pole
3. Wrap tape around the stem of this fitting until it is a tight fit in the base of section 1 - Photo2 and 3
4. Slide a length of pole hose (either PU or PVC) through section 1 and exit through the new fitting at the base
5. Fit a Rectus male fitting to the base of the pole hose, ensuring that the clip is as close to the male fitting as possible - Photo 4 - Then push this tightly into the John Guest fitting as shown
6. At the top end of section 1 fit whichever gooseneck you want to use and then pull the pole hose as tight as possible out of the top of the gooseneck
7. Holding the pole hose tightly just above the gooseneck to stop it pulling back in, cut the pole hose above where you are holding it and push-fit on an 8mm-8mm straight connector with red locking clip already fitted to the pole hose
8. Let go of the pole hose and it will pull the 8mm-8mm fitting tight back against the gooseneck opening- Photo 5
9. Slide the No.1 section back down into the pole
10. Connect your brush to the gooseneck and then connect the Brush T to the gooseneck connector with a short length of hose - Photo 6
11. Remove the end cap from your pole and cut out a much larger hole with a sharp knife. There needs to be enough of a lip for the cap to stay in position on the base - Photo7 & 8
12. In use, connect the female coupling of the hose pack to the base of the pole, extend and use the pole - photo 9 & 9.1
13. When finished with the pole disconnect the female coupling by pulling back the collar and put the pole away
14. The complete kit of parts needed (most you should have already) - photo attached
This will take about 10 minutes at most to do
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heres a guide for a primative version that somone sent me, exactly the same idea though!
1. Buy a pack of John Guest 22mm pipe inserts from B&Q - about £3 for 5 - Photo1
2. Slide out the No.1 section from a Gardiner (or most other brand poles) pole
3. Wrap tape around the stem of this fitting until it is a tight fit in the base of section 1 - Photo2 and 3
4. Slide a length of pole hose (either PU or PVC) through section 1 and exit through the new fitting at the base
5. Fit a Rectus male fitting to the base of the pole hose, ensuring that the clip is as close to the male fitting as possible - Photo 4 - Then push this tightly into the John Guest fitting as shown
6. At the top end of section 1 fit whichever gooseneck you want to use and then pull the pole hose as tight as possible out of the top of the gooseneck
7. Holding the pole hose tightly just above the gooseneck to stop it pulling back in, cut the pole hose above where you are holding it and push-fit on an 8mm-8mm straight connector with red locking clip already fitted to the pole hose
8. Let go of the pole hose and it will pull the 8mm-8mm fitting tight back against the gooseneck opening- Photo 5
9. Slide the No.1 section back down into the pole
10. Connect your brush to the gooseneck and then connect the Brush T to the gooseneck connector with a short length of hose - Photo 6
11. Remove the end cap from your pole and cut out a much larger hole with a sharp knife. There needs to be enough of a lip for the cap to stay in position on the base - Photo7 & 8
12. In use, connect the female coupling of the hose pack to the base of the pole, extend and use the pole - photo 9 & 9.1
13. When finished with the pole disconnect the female coupling by pulling back the collar and put the pole away
14. The complete kit of parts needed (most you should have already) - photo attached
This will take about 10 minutes at most to do
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Are all first sections 22mm regardless of which size pole
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not sure pal but gardiner poles are!
the insert only needs abit of tape but its a fine lin getting it perfect where it fits in snug and not too tight/loose!
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Thanks Cheshire, great info
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Lol don't thank me I was sent it from somone else!!
As I say it's quite primitive but does essentially the same job of making your pole hoseless.
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I have had no pole hose showing for a while now. I work a lot with a Trolley with 8mm hose but also work with Microbore on a Van mount. Its great having no connections from pole to reel.
I haven't had a single problem since doing it.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191711.msg1657681#msg1657681
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Hi cheshire,
If you tot up the individual components, what price do you come up with.
The kit is an easy no hassle set up off the shelf, Its also a concept that we has a company have spent time/money/Patent applications on.
You only need to buy the kit at stage one, the other poles you have just inserts and male fittings.
You say its expensive, but as it will make life easier and protect your fittings upto 5 x longer, thats the difference.
You do not have to buy our kit, if do not wish, we are simply introducing a new product into the market.
Steven.
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hi Steven thanks for getting back I apreciatte your comments as you probably apreciatte the feedback too!
For me it looks like your selling a couple of rectus21 fittings which are what £5-6 then a sleeve and a rubber insert a few quid, hose clips and a hose connector £4-5 max, forget the pole hose and forget the top pole insert as they're no good to me personally, I'd happily pay £20-25 which I think is fair and you make plenty of profit on that!
Sorry if I'm missing something or undervaluing this kit and If so please say but I'd think you'd sell more kits at a cheaper price without the hose or that pole insert at the top as many wouldn't want those like myself and I think you mentioned in a post recently how you don't supply the Aquadaptor inc in the price of a pole anymore as some people don't want that well to me this is the same here.
You should consider supplying just the fittings with the sleeves as it won't be long before other companies are knocking similar but different kits out too!
Hope I'm not offending but I'm just offering my advice but I only speak for myself and you'll know the market better than me!
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It's funny how some poeple only want to pay peanuts for things like Steve is trying to sell, and yet are happy to charge what really is a ridiculous for squirting was at a few windows and charging upto £50 per hour for it.
Time, design and a concept are all involved in the ejector sleeve so you that is what you are paying for, not the physical cost of the parts.
Anyone can clean a window, but not everyone has the ability to think of a concept and end up with a finished product they are able to sell
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Wish I could earn £50 an hour pal and if you think it's just squirting water at the window then you need some education on wfp!!!
I appreciate Steve has put time effort into this idea but I'm just saying that if he took those bits out I mentioned which also includes the foam base protector as some may not need that either then he could sell it cheaper and surely still make a profit on the bits I've mentioned, gardiner sell they're clamps as a kit form and also you can buy each clamp or part individually, maybe it's an idea for Steve or maybe it's not but also its could be one of the reasons why everyone buys gardiner products as you can buy every bit separate rather than a whole kit price?
As I said I don't want to insult or knock Steven but surely the rectus and sleeves with a few clamps can't be worth a lot and he could sell them and make double profit without the other bits and still make money unless I'm missing anouther cost factor but all he's made are the sleeve and bung as the rectus fittings are available everywhere else!!
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Sorry chaps, can't be bothered to read the whole post but are you sending the reel hose up your pole when extending it?
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Yes apart from the top section which has one constantly fixed piece.
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What's the longest pole you use it on?
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Sorry chaps, can't be bothered to read the whole post but are you sending the reel hose up your pole when extending it?
Your not sending microbore /minibore reel hose up your pole, there is 50ft of pole hose on the reel.
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It's funny how some poeple only want to pay peanuts for things like Steve is trying to sell, and yet are happy to charge what really is a ridiculous for squirting was at a few windows and charging upto £50 per hour for it.
Time, design and a concept are all involved in the ejector sleeve so you that is what you are paying for, not the physical cost of the parts.
Anyone can clean a window, but not everyone has the ability to think of a concept and end up with a finished product they are able to sell
It's a typical example of this market. Look at all the £50 per hour guys, them watch the "where's the cheapest" threads that follow!! ;D
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Is that the same guys who always work in the rain - except when it's raining and they're on here?
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Hmmm, I like the idea but I also like the flow valve within reach and wouldn't want the aquadapter/aquastop thingies.
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Is that the same guys who always work in the rain - except when it's raining and they're on here?
Yeah, and the ones who are always "just about" to go VAT reg'!!
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i can safely say im none of those guys, i earn £20-30 an hour max and would never get near £50 no matter how much i rushed and thats working in the dry, i would never work in the rain myself, this week has been one of the worst i've had in a while so im not one of these guys who have lots of money and one of the reasons i ask about prices etc, even if i was making big money i'd still like a bargain who wouldnt!
sorry Dave i misread your post as Trev said you are only sending the pole hose up the pole like any other pole except theres one piece permanantly fixed in the top section and the rest can disconnect when the pole is closed up again!
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Well said Lee, chesire your indignant response to lees post made me chuckle, your doing to Steve what Lee did to you, yes a rectus fitting maybe a £1 and the hose 20p etc.. However the ejector sleeve I would have said is pretty much bespoke even if he got that item for £2 your not allowing anything for his development time, costs investment, stock, and to earn a living, it's also convenient just to buy one, it would cost me more in time to faff about getting that together than the £45 just to order it.
Of course if you value your time at £0 p/h then make one.
Darran
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sorry pal,ive already apologised if im missing something i dont know as im not a pole seller so im not best placed to tell him apart from offer my oppinion that i thought it was too much for my liking considering i wouldnt use half the parts!
i just thought he could sell the bits separatly like Gardiner do and people decide what they want rather than have to buy a full kit and not use half the parts.
i know i dont have to buy the kit but i'd like an option to buy the parts i'd use, why would i need to top pole insert when i use gardiner quick loc and also the polehose im happy with what i use!
surely he would be making money if he sold the rectus and sleeves for £25, i'd pay that and he's not definatly not making a loss on that????
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How Steve sells his product is his choice, do you go into tesco and complain that you want 2 slices of bread and not a total loaf ? If a customer asks you to clean only one window on the property do you do that? And if so only charge 50p even tho you could have cleaned a complete house in much the same time ?
Sorry to say...
You are just coming over argumentative just for the sake of it.
Darran
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i can safely say im none of those guys, i earn £20-30 an hour max and would never get near £50 no matter how much i rushed and thats working in the dry, i would never work in the rain myself, this week has been one of the worst i've had in a while so im not one of these guys who have lots of money and one of the reasons i ask about prices etc, even if i was making big money i'd still like a bargain who wouldnt!
sorry Dave i misread your post as Trev said you are only sending the pole hose up the pole like any other pole except theres one piece permanantly fixed in the top section and the rest can disconnect when the pole is closed up again!
Same here mate.
You have said nothing wrong. Why do people on this forum get so high rate
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sorry if it seems like that pal but im just giving feedback,using your tesco example they listen to customers and adjust things from time to time so why cant i offer my advice, is that not allowed?
and yes steven is allowed to sell it at what ever he wants im not totally complaining about the price of the kit, its more why would i want to pay that much for a kit where i'd only use half the parts, he's selling the kit that it fits slx/clx conversion kit then surely he could understand that many wont use those other bits in the kit and adjust the price accordingly? if not thats fair enough its his kit and design and i wouldnt argue with that but he did ask what did i think it was worth in an earlier post?
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i can safely say im none of those guys, i earn £20-30 an hour max and would never get near £50 no matter how much i rushed and thats working in the dry, i would never work in the rain myself, this week has been one of the worst i've had in a while so im not one of these guys who have lots of money and one of the reasons i ask about prices etc, even if i was making big money i'd still like a bargain who wouldnt!
sorry Dave i misread your post as Trev said you are only sending the pole hose up the pole like any other pole except theres one piece permanantly fixed in the top section and the rest can disconnect when the pole is closed up again!
Same here mate.
You have said nothing wrong. Why do people on this forum get so high rate
lol cheers Duncan, people are saying i want something for peanuts which isnt true, i just dont want to pay for bits i wouldnt use and then other people insinuating that im one of the guys thats come on here saying they earn £50 an hour and work in all rain conditions, where that has come from im not sure as ive never said those sort of comments in any of my hundreds of posts on here lol!!!
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i can safely say im none of those guys, i earn £20-30 an hour max and would never get near £50 no matter how much i rushed and thats working in the dry, i would never work in the rain myself, this week has been one of the worst i've had in a while so im not one of these guys who have lots of money and one of the reasons i ask about prices etc, even if i was making big money i'd still like a bargain who wouldnt!
sorry Dave i misread your post as Trev said you are only sending the pole hose up the pole like any other pole except theres one piece permanantly fixed in the top section and the rest can disconnect when the pole is closed up again!
Same here mate.
You have said nothing wrong. Why do people on this forum get so high rate
lol cheers Duncan, people are saying i want something for peanuts which isnt true, i just dont want to pay for bits i wouldnt use and then other people insinuating that im one of the guys thats come on here saying they earn £50 an hour and work in all rain conditions, where that has come from im not sure as ive never said those sort of comments in any of my hundreds of posts on here lol!!!
they are insinuating you earn £50 an hour...
£50 an hour IS THAT IT??? you poor soul its normally at least 4grand a day lol
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Sorry chaps, can't be bothered to read the whole post but are you sending the reel hose up your pole when extending it?
Here's a video link explaining pole hose attachment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPFDuZbSLl4
Steven.
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Steven what do you think of my comments, im not meaning to offend and if it costs you a lot more to make the bits i mentioned or not viable to sell the bits apart i fully understand.
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Hi Cheshire,
The problem I have, is if we rely on customers to source there own parts, then if it does not go to plan, we as a company get the blame.
it's like the piece of hose you get with the kit, it is stretchy hose which you need for it to work.
the sleeve ejector need to be able to be pulled out the base to release it from the pole.
you cannot use pvc hose to do this as this time of year it goes to hard to stretch. If you buy the kit and don't diy then you buy hassle free setup, with full instructions.
Steven.
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ah right thats fair enough pal, thanks for explaining that, i just presumed it was normal pole hose rather than something abit more special.
and i fully understand your comment on people mixing and matching brands etc,maybe in the future then when im due a new pole i might invest in one of yours with the hoseless kit but for now i'll stick with my diy version im building unless you could do it cheaper without that top insert but with the piece of special hose thats needed to make it work? .
i really hope it goes well for you as companies like gardiner need real competition from the likes of yourself to keep them on theyre toes and thats all good for the us the customer lol.
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Hi Cheshire,
Also would just like to mention that the rectus fittings male and female must be new, we would hate the fact that customers use "used" rectus fittings, that would leave a possibility to leak water, something that you do not want when the fitting is inside the pole.
The male rectus fitting in the kit is"Stainless Steel" which is designed to last.
By selling complete kit we know that what the customer receives is approved by us.
Of course im not offended, its purely a lack of explanation on my part.
Steven.
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cheers pal not just a lack of explanation on your part but an assumption on my part that its just a basic kit your throwing out, by your wording it sounds like youve made sure its spot on from the more flexible hose to the stainless male rectus not forgetting the sleeves!
if you dont mind me saying you need to big up your poles and equipment, it sounds like your doing them an injustice not mentioning these little details lol
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..... and Steven's concept has to work under all circumstances and with all the equipment he sells, like the Aquadapter.
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O one problem his sold all his poles. Steve when will you be getting more poles in.
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Hi David,
im waiting on a delivery at the moment, its frustrating, keep you informed.
Steven.
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Hey Cheshire my tongue in cheek comment wasn't aimed at you - I don't know if you work in the rain or not. It was a generalisation of the forum - you get the guys who work in 'all weathers' with their Goretex coats and boots and rain guarantees. Trouble is when the weather's bad the same guys are on here doing 'office work' or filing their tax returns.
I think Chums post was in a similar vein.
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Hey Cheshire my tongue in cheek comment wasn't aimed at you - I don't know if you work in the rain or not. It was a generalisation of the forum - you get the guys who work in 'all weathers' with their Goretex coats and boots and rain guarantees. Trouble is when the weather's bad the same guys are on here doing 'office work' or filing their tax returns.
I think Chums post was in a similar vein.
......or their van is in for a service and their taking a long weekend break to a 5 star hotel somewhere ;D
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Hey Cheshire my tongue in cheek comment wasn't aimed at you - I don't know if you work in the rain or not. It was a generalisation of the forum - you get the guys who work in 'all weathers' with their Goretex coats and boots and rain guarantees. Trouble is when the weather's bad the same guys are on here doing 'office work' or filing their tax returns.
I think Chums post was in a similar vein.
lol no probs pal i thought everyone was jumping on me for trying to suggest Steve could possibly do it cheaper without certain bits but now after he's pointed out why certain bits are needed etc and the time it sounds like he's taken to make sure the bits work correctly like the stainless male rectus, im not gonna argue with his prices!!
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Sorry chaps, can't be bothered to read the whole post but are you sending the reel hose up your pole when extending it?
Here's a video link explaining pole hose attachment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPFDuZbSLl4
Steven.
One small problem I can see. The hose is joined with a O clip. When reeling in, it could cut your hand on the lug....or even catch on something
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insulation tape will sort it.
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insulation tape will sort it.
yeah. or amalgamating tape, or even as I would prefer, rectus fittings and a connector protector.
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insulation tape will sort it.
yeah. or amalgamating tape, or even as I would prefer, rectus fittings and a connector protector.
Yes, i have a tiny Connector protector that will sort this.
Steven.
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Steven
Would it be possible to connect the sleeve ejector and female rectus fitting directly to the microbore hose thereby doing away with the connection to the pole hose on the reel. I realise there would be a weight increase inside the pole but would this be the only downside?
Neil
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not much good them bein gout of stock ???
can you get extensions for the exceeds?