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Title: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: dazmond on January 24, 2015, 04:32:40 pm
so my tds is 002 after filling up.it was 001 the other day.i changed my resin 10 weeks ago but ive had 2 weeks off at xmas.

i use around 2000L a week so say 16,000L in the 8 weeks.my tap tds is 30.

my resin vessel is the large 25kg one.

my resin used to last about 4-5 months before needing changing.i always bring the vessel in overnight in winter so no freezing up etc.

its tulsion mb 115.im not buying this anymore as its really crap these days.

what else is out there resin wise thats any good?

not happy.these resin manufacturers are having us over lads for sure.its just not the same quality as it used to be! >:(
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on January 24, 2015, 04:46:13 pm
lucky you were doing a bag of resin every 4-5 weeks
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 24, 2015, 04:46:56 pm
£400 a year on resin Daz, bargain in my eyes the amount you clean in a week.
I had a garage once, cost me £750 per week before I made a single penny.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 24, 2015, 04:50:16 pm
Susan, how much water is that?
Our tds is 170 in to our R/O
our tds out 002
tds after di 000
7500 per week, we used 1 and a 1/2 bags in 2014.
Redcar cleveland not far from you.

Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on January 24, 2015, 04:57:50 pm
ours is

300 -320 before ro
76 ish after
we used 800lts aday six days aweek

we will only clean with 0.00 as soon as it moves from this its changed
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 24, 2015, 05:00:51 pm
That's high, your in Darlington ?
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on January 24, 2015, 05:02:03 pm
That's high, your in Darlington ?

were in Colchester now
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: dazmond on January 24, 2015, 05:02:39 pm
the thing is mate it used to last a lot longer.the quality of the resin is going downhill fast.

i have filled up my smaller resin vessel with the remainder of the 25kg bag and ill put this one in front of my other one(double DI)until the first one gets to my tap tds.i might just get another 4 weeks out of it then.

actually mate it works out at around £480 a year in resin if a 25kg bag lasts 2 months.itll last  a bit longer due to double DI

it used to be more like £200-£240 a year in resin before.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: andyM on January 24, 2015, 05:02:54 pm
ours is

300 -320 before ro
76 ish after
we used 800lts aday six days aweek

we will only clean with 0.00 as soon as it moves from this its changed

If you are getting 76ppm out of RO then you need to change membrane/s Susan.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 24, 2015, 05:07:09 pm
Your tds out of the tap can rise during certain weather condition's, not talking about cold, more wet and dry weather, this may of affected your resin's life
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Dave Willis on January 24, 2015, 05:17:54 pm
Tulsion quality varies from batch to batch. I reported it being crap on here at least a year ago but the supplier insisted it was fine. I've since had one really bad bag and one very good one. Mate of mine has had same trouble.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Dave Willis on January 24, 2015, 05:20:05 pm
Susan, how much water is that?
Our tds is 170 in to our R/O
our tds out 002
tds after di 000
7500 per week, we used 1 and a 1/2 bags in 2014.
Redcar cleveland not far from you.



Your resin should last for years - probably don't even need it if your RO is that good  :o
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 24, 2015, 05:25:24 pm
4040 ro with vyair membrane, slower than hf4 hf5 but does a great job bringing the tds down. CFB-plus 10 single pre filter changed every couple of weeks.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: DG Cleaning on January 24, 2015, 05:35:54 pm
Why not run with two 11 litre di's?
That way you can fill both from one bag.
just add the second as soon as tds rises.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: ChumBucket on January 24, 2015, 06:24:22 pm
Tulsion quality varies from batch to batch. I reported it being crap on here at least a year ago but the supplier insisted it was fine. I've since had one really bad bag and one very good one. Mate of mine has had same trouble.

Yep I've found the same. Some is great & some is pants- doesn't seem to matter which supplier you use either!!
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: slap bash on January 24, 2015, 07:58:37 pm
I have been using the same resin for four years. Crazy  is ti not by recycling and building a unit to do this which can recycling  20 liters a time my day of resin cost are nearly nil. Its taken me allot of research to perfect it but after three years I have it down to a fine art.I currently produce a 1500 liters pure a week and have used the same R O and membranes for 2 year.
 I only have 25 liters of resin and reused it over and over again. Its important to know and understand what takes in the process. So I would not advise messing about if you do not understand chemistry.  I know when I started it ate a hole in the garage floor the first time and it did not produce good resin. But there is no short cut to experience.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Mike #1 on January 25, 2015, 06:19:48 am
Daz why don't you put your DI in your van after the pump box , As you fast fill your tank every night lower flow rate resin will last longer
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 25, 2015, 08:39:04 am
I have been using the same resin for four years. Crazy  is ti not by recycling and building a unit to do this which can recycling  20 liters a time my day of resin cost are nearly nil. Its taken me allot of research to perfect it but after three years I have it down to a fine art.I currently produce a 1500 liters pure a week and have used the same R O and membranes for 2 year.
 I only have 25 liters of resin and reused it over and over again. Its important to know and understand what takes in the process. So I would not advise messing about if you do not understand chemistry.  I know when I started it ate a hole in the garage floor the first time and it did not produce good resin. But there is no short cut to experience.

Yeah there is plenty of videos on it online. I spend very little on resin so CBA
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: mufcglen on January 25, 2015, 08:44:51 am
Dazmond im using similar amount of water to you, 400 litres a day 2000 a week and my tap ppm is about 75, i fill straight to the van and then double di after the pump and do a fresh 11 ltr resin change about every 6-7 weeks but this bottle im using now has easily lasted 8-9 weeks now, think its because of the weather having a fair few days off and christmas.
where abouts in manchester are you to get 30ppm, isnt that around altrincham way as i heard its good over there!
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 25, 2015, 08:58:31 am
Just seen you use a 25kg resin canister. we used to use 25s 50s and even a 100. Issue is shaking and getting the most out of em.

I had a 11L DI hit 001TDS. STILL shaking and rolling to this day and getting zero. I use twin 15L DI's and produce at 008 first DI down to 4 Then second DI down to 0

I would imagine one bag of resin is gonna do me
A 6-12 months.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: dazmond on January 25, 2015, 09:37:13 am
Daz why don't you put your DI in your van after the pump box , As you fast fill your tank every night lower flow rate resin will last longer
It's nothing to do with that mate.its lower quality resin.it should be lasting longer.im gonna try another brand after I've used up this other full bag I've got.

My tap tds hasn't risen either as I check that regular too.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Frankybadboy on January 25, 2015, 09:39:47 am
Daz why don't you put your DI in your van after the pump box , As you fast fill your tank every night lower flow rate resin will last longer
It's nothing to do with that mate.its lower quality resin.it should be lasting longer.im gonna try another brand after I've used up this other full bag I've got.

My tap tds hasn't risen either as I check that regular too.
what hes saying daz is that it will help it last longer than what it is at the moment,we know it about the quailty issue,but putting it in the van and fitting it in will make it last longer
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: ChumBucket on January 25, 2015, 09:56:22 am
Daz why don't you put your DI in your van after the pump box , As you fast fill your tank every night lower flow rate resin will last longer
It's nothing to do with that mate.its lower quality resin.it should be lasting longer.im gonna try another brand after I've used up this other full bag I've got.

My tap tds hasn't risen either as I check that regular too.

He is correct Dazmond, it is less efficient to fill your tank through the vessels- the faster the flow the less efficient.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Mike #1 on January 25, 2015, 10:21:23 am
oh yes I'm right I honestly couldn't justify spending a small fortune on resin each year

  I went from Ro to DI back to an Ro spending over £300 a year on resin when , Das you could buy another pole  ;D ;D .
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Jakey boy on January 25, 2015, 10:35:27 am
That's high, your in Darlington ?

were in Colchester now


Where in Colchester are you Susan?

My tds is 420!

I'm in highwoods
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Mick Kent on January 25, 2015, 10:43:18 am
lucky you were doing a bag of resin every 4-5 weeks

A bag of resin every 4/5 weeks??
What the hell is your tds after ro before resin?
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Jakey boy on January 25, 2015, 10:46:01 am
lucky you were doing a bag of resin every 4-5 weeks

A bag of resin every 4/5 weeks??
What the hell is your tds after ro before resin?

We're in Colchester mick, seriously hard water, like literally chewable water. Mines anything from 420-500ppm
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 25, 2015, 11:05:31 am
475PPM - down to either 1ppm or 3ppm on one system at the moment, the other system produces at 8ppm.

The water is then combined to produce PPB water for each van.

I have only ever used Tulsion resin ONCE.

We stick to Purolite as it lasts longer and we get it free HA!
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: ChumBucket on January 25, 2015, 11:23:53 am
475PPM - down to either 1ppm or 3ppm on one system at the moment, the other system produces at 8ppm.

The water is then combined to produce PPB water for each van.

I have only ever used Tulsion resin ONCE.

We stick to Purolite as it lasts longer and we get it free HA!

Purolite has to be the worst resin I've ever used!!
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Mick Kent on January 25, 2015, 11:28:12 am
lucky you were doing a bag of resin every 4-5 weeks

A bag of resin every 4/5 weeks??
What the hell is your tds after ro before resin?

We're in Colchester mick, seriously hard water, like literally chewable water. Mines anything from 420-500ppm
Im guessin you use a merlin or a 450 gpd ro??
If you switch to a 4040 you will get 007-012 from ro before resin making a sack of resin last between 6 months to a year. My water is also hard between 360 and 450. When i used a merlin i was buying a sack a month which was so costly.
Id defo consider changing your ro.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 25, 2015, 11:41:57 am
475PPM - down to either 1ppm or 3ppm on one system at the moment, the other system produces at 8ppm.

The water is then combined to produce PPB water for each van.

I have only ever used Tulsion resin ONCE.

We stick to Purolite as it lasts longer and we get it free HA!

Purolite has to be the worst resin I've ever used!!

I doubt very much it's the same model number.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: ChumBucket on January 25, 2015, 11:42:38 am
475PPM - down to either 1ppm or 3ppm on one system at the moment, the other system produces at 8ppm.

The water is then combined to produce PPB water for each van.

I have only ever used Tulsion resin ONCE.

We stick to Purolite as it lasts longer and we get it free HA!

MB400

Purolite has to be the worst resin I've ever used!!

I doubt very much it's the same model number.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Dave Willis on January 25, 2015, 12:34:48 pm
What's ppb - parts per billion  ???
How do you work that out?
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Clever Forum Name on January 25, 2015, 12:55:02 pm
Chum. Nope. We have used that before though. Didn't notice any difference.

PPB = PPB. We use the same technology to measure the water as what they use in semi conductor manufacture.

Resistance.

Same method as PPM.
Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: ChumBucket on January 25, 2015, 12:57:09 pm
None of which is going to help Dazmond anyway!! ;D

Title: Re: tds rising after 8 weeks.crappy resin again.
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on January 26, 2015, 04:47:18 pm
even with new filters our merlin only takes it down to 69 , but were not on a meter so I don't mind paying for resin , may look into a new r.o. this year when I move