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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on January 19, 2015, 04:47:45 pm
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GG4 Second week.
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HaHa me and Soupy had the same idea.
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How come when I post the pic it turns around to landscape yet when you quote it it goes back portrait?
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How come when I post the pic it turns around to landscape yet when you quote it it goes back portrait?
It's because you are old. Probably.
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Anyway, all my customers love it. They all came out and marvelled at the shine, the bubbles and the quality. Most of them hugged me and gave me enough tips to buy a sports car. Record day too!
Shine on you crazy Dazmond Diamond!
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Most of them hugged me
All my customers do that anyway. It's part of my pricing structure.
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Looks like Vision to me.....here we go ;D
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Right, here's another picture you can rotate if you like ;D
Shows the results when dry.
Even when I rotate it it goes all landscape - I give up.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421688502_shine.jpg)
Right, here's another picture you can rotate if you like ;D
Shows the results when dry.
Even when I rotate it it goes all landscape - I give up.
Wow, those have come up nicely.
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They look spotless. Vision will be panicking ;)
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You didn't rotate it!
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what ratio are you using Dave
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Not much just a squirt probably only 10ml in my 650l tank. It froths a lot in the tank when the transfer hose blasts it. I will buy a proper dosing bottle from Cleaning Spot eventually if I continue to use it. It seems uncannily like another product I've heard about but without the glide. Foam seems to dry completely clear.
If you reduce the dosage so that the bubbles go then I reckon you'd just be cleaning with pure water anyway.
I'm undecided if there is indeed any great improvement - it's so easy to imagine there is. I'd be interested to know what others think if they get temped to use it.
On my other posts it definitely breaks the surface tension down of pure water. If glide is your goal then you'd have to add Ecover or something too but it could have a detrimental effect with GG4 so I'm not going to even try.
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That's ace Dave, did you check them from inside ?
darran
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That's a very clean window! Does it make phobic glass sheet? If it does, I'm going to try this.
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To be totally honest, I doubt you could change the characteristics of the glass. I think if it beads then it's likely it always will. The panes that normally sheet seem to benefit the most - a bit like when you squirt them with Virosol if you know what I mean.
I've only played with it for just over a week and so don't/won't claim any huge benefits. If you've got some GG4 in your kit then maybe give it a go. I wouldn't rush out and buy some just yet unless you want it for trad as well.
One thing for sure - so far I haven't really found a good reason why I shouldn't use it.
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And no sign of spotting?
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Nope, nothing.
It won't stop dirt spotting or make up for poor technique but the bubbles don't spot at all and don't raise the TDS - we are talking about very dilute quantities anyway.
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Shiny windows are something I know a little bit about. ;)
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i have started to use it Dave, i put two and a bit cap fulls in roughly 450 of water and found it frothed a lot, i used about 200 lts of the water and then filled up but didn't add any more GG4 into the tank, so in effect its gone from roughly 10 ml to 5 ml (two and a bit cap fulls is about 10 ml) and i found it a lot better so i think i will keep it at about 1ml per 100 lts or so.
Personally i find it does glide a bit better, seems to clean the frames a bit better but not had a chance to see the glass when dry, so early days yet but have no negatives about it
Bob
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Foot note>when i used GG3/4 when tradding i always find it did leave a nice shine
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Try this.
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3.8 Litres - about £35 I think, can't remember for sure. Should last ages. I use it for the small amount of trad I do but not very often
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who sells it. manufactures site is the pits
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Loads of places that sell trad gear - even ebay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Window-Cleaning-Concentrate-Glass-Gleam-4-3-8LTR-/221545521305?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item3395246099
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windows look great but it made the sills go all green and rotted the stone work............
seriously do you think it does anything to the resin.
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windows look great but it made the sills go all green and rotted the stone work............
seriously do you think it does anything to the resin.
resin takes everything out. Additive's after be after filters
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Id never use Ecover in your Pure Water .
Because when using ECOVER in your pure water in summer it dries terribly of the windows . On a hot day the water dries very quick and ECOVER is just not upto it .
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Does it smell of Oranges?
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Ecover is a lemon smell
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Not if you get the Grapefruit one. Or the Marrigold one, or the cammomile one.
Actually, this is about GG4 which you also said not to use - seems fine to me.
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Ive never said that Dave Wiilis
I advised not to use ECOVER .
On gg4 , I have never used it so I simply cannot Comment
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i use gg3 for trad work and it really does leave a great shine
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It is said that if a surface is deemed to be clean there should be no SSRs (Streaks,Smears,Residues,) left behind on the surface, i would never use any type of washing up liquid when cleaning glass.
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It is said that if a surface is deemed to be clean there should be no SSRs (Streaks,Smears,Residues,) left behind on the surface, i would never use any type of washing on liquid when cleaning glass.
How's the site coming along Tadgh?
I'd like to buy some more beyond kleen please.
And can I have a bottle of whatever you recommend for blading please?
And a few lighter type waffle cloths.
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It is said that if a surface is deemed to be clean there should be no SSRs (Streaks,Smears,Residues,) left behind on the surface, i would never use any type of washing on liquid when cleaning glass.
How's the site coming along Tadgh?
I'd like to buy some more beyond kleen please.
And can I have a bottle of whatever you recommend for blading please?
And a few lighter type waffle cloths.
Hi Darren, the site is coming sometime i know i know, i will send you an email on the products you require. Cheers Tadgh
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Kempy, you said this earlier about GG4 "A mix we came up with was really good and then in the summer on a hot day we all had terrible results . It's very hard to find the right balance , dosages and quantities ." when I first started discussing it.
I said it wasn't a mix.
To me it sounded like you'd mixed GG4 and it didn't work. Most confusing.
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you tell um dave ;D ;D ;D
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I've never used , bought or seen GG4 .
Just like ive not used many other products .
GG4 could be Excellant , it could be poor .
I cAnt comment on it as ive never used it . Simples
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So why did you comment on it?
That's your quote above in black and white.
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So why did you comment on it?
That's your quote above in black and white.
PR. Innit.
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ECOVER is what I have commented on . Used it for a while with various other ingrediants that we still use in Vision .
Ecover was poor on hot days .
But GG4 , I have never even seen it .
Simply not used it .
And that's being honest .
If it's working for you then great .
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Id love to see any quotes where I have commented on GG4 .
I would be truly amazed to see this .
hey-ho , off to do a commercial clean in -1 , hope it warms up
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192411.msg1665722#msg1665722
Selective memory? The post was all about GG4 - remember?
I suppose you could be rambling about something else but it wasn't clear.
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Yes ive just read that Dave .... And ....
Where's it say GG4
On my kids lives ive never used or seen it .
Again I'm baffled .
Ecover was very goid , but come summer and impossible to judge how much was in the tank it was proved to be very poor in hot weather and if a build up in your tank was poor .
Vision has overcome that above point .
It's good that you've come across GG4 , but don't mis- quote me as it's unfair .
I'm pleased for you Dave Willis if this works for you , I won't be saying anything negative as ive simply never used or tried it
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Id never use Ecover in your Pure Water .
Because when using ECOVER in your pure water in summer it dries terribly of the windows . On a hot day the water dries very quick and ECOVER is just not upto it .
I take it when you say it dries terribly you mean it leaves spots or smears, so why would the hot weather make a difference
to this ?
If the TDS is the same and the dirt is removed then the glass drying quicker wont make a difference.
Why would it be harder to judge the amount of ECOVER your putting into your tank compared to any other product ?
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I don't understand ??? Are you adding gg4 to your pure water,
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I don't understand ??? Are you adding gg4 to your pure water,
cmon mate catch up lad!yes daves adding gg4 to his pure water for added shine/easier cleaning.
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SeanK
Ecover does alter your Tds .
It does clean well and shines .
But believe me , during hot spells in summer it was terrible on a round I did .
Also for others too .
It must not dry well when the drying process is speeded up .
Plus it suds up in your Tank a lot .
That's only my findings and advice . Obviously persons may use Ecover better than what I did . But it was terrible compared to what Vision has moved onto .
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Kempy I posted about GG4 then you came on and said you'd tried a mix and it didn't work in the summer. I presumed you were referring to GG4 as that was what the whole post was about.
Having re-read your post I suppose you could have been talking about any mix - you weren't specific.
Sorry for any misunderstanding but you didn't mention Ecover either.
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Foot note>when i used GG3/4 when tradding i always find it did leave a nice shine
I've used gg3 and gg4 when tradding and hated the stuff as it never seemed to froth up enough for my liking. Interesting to read that tanks of pure are getting a froth from adding gg4.
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I found that too - hardly any foam on an applicator yet with a much weaker solution it froths like mad in the tank. I've started measuring it out now at 1000 to 1.
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I found that too - hardly any foam on an applicator yet with a much weaker solution it froths like mad in the tank. I've started measuring it out now at 1000 to 1.
Keep us posted Dave. I've got 5 litres of Unger Liquid that's been sat in my garage for donkeys. If I'm snowed off tomorrow, I'm going to experiment with my trolley set up.
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I found that too - hardly any foam on an applicator yet with a much weaker solution it froths like mad in the tank. I've started measuring it out now at 1000 to 1.
So you put in half a litre of gg4 per 500 litre tank?
Sounds a lot to me.
But if it works well for you then keep going Dave. Keep us posted. :)
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I found that too - hardly any foam on an applicator yet with a much weaker solution it froths like mad in the tank. I've started measuring it out now at 1000 to 1.
Keep us posted Dave. I've got 5 litres of Unger Liquid that's been sat in my garage for donkeys. If I'm snowed off tomorrow, I'm going to experiment with my trolley set up.
SNOWED OFF !!!! where do you live?
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I found that too - hardly any foam on an applicator yet with a much weaker solution it froths like mad in the tank. I've started measuring it out now at 1000 to 1.
So you put in half a litre of gg4 per 500 litre tank?
Sounds a lot to me.
But if it works well for you then keep going Dave. Keep us posted. :)
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1mil per 100Litres of pure
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I've been using about 1ml of GG4 per 100l of pure
I have no idea if Unger liquid is any good - I found it crap for cleaning windows.
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I found that too - hardly any foam on an applicator yet with a much weaker solution it froths like mad in the tank. I've started measuring it out now at 1000 to 1.
Keep us posted Dave. I've got 5 litres of Unger Liquid that's been sat in my garage for donkeys. If I'm snowed off tomorrow, I'm going to experiment with my trolley set up.
SNOWED OFF !!!! where do you live?
Somewhere where there's snow falling :P
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Just ordered some gg4. Never used it before for trad but interested to see how it works out with pure using the amounts you have tried. Cheap enough to see if it works. By the photos you have put up it seems to work ok.
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I've been using about 1ml of GG4 per 100l of pure
I have no idea if Unger liquid is any good - I found it crap for cleaning windows.
Interesting experiments with the GG4. Sounds promising.
I found that Unger liquid was poor for trad cleaning too, I certainly wouldn't put that in my tank, to much like washing up liquid ;D
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I've been using about 1ml of GG4 per 100l of pure
I have no idea if Unger liquid is any good - I found it crap for cleaning windows.
Dave do you ever re fill printer ink cartridges?? My cheapo Tesco re fill kits come with a 10ml syringe in half mil graduations.
Email me your address and I'll post ya a spare one.
Before the rest of you say it!! Yes I am a cheapskate with printer ink.. ;D ;D ;D Bloody expensive stuff for what you get.
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Ha ha, no but I have pinched the Nurofen syringe from my kids medicine cabinet. ;D
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I've been using about 1ml of GG4 per 100l of pure
I have no idea if Unger liquid is any good - I found it crap for cleaning windows.
Dave do you ever re fill printer ink cartridges?? My cheapo Tesco re fill kits come with a 10ml syringe in half mil graduations.
Email me your address and I'll post ya a spare one.
Before the rest of you say it!! Yes I am a cheapskate with printer ink.. ;D ;D ;D Bloody expensive stuff for what you get.
Printer ink is the most expensive fluid in the world. Even compared to rate champagne ;)
Comparing ML Vs ML
2nd is Vision ;D
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Dave have you considered trying Glass Gleam Solar from the same company as its designed for WFP
cleaning.
I'm waiting on my new Gardiner backpack so might give this one a try, Im still interested in the drip stopping
effects on problem frames.
Have a bottle of GG4 in the garage so will give it a go first.
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No, to be honest I'm only playing with it because I have a four litre bottle at home anyway.
In my opinion It probably makes little difference what is used at such low dosages just as long as it breaks the surface tension down.
I've not tried Vision and probably never will so can't critisise their product really. If you look at their claims then Gg4 seems very similar - adds a bit of shine maybe, helps a little with cutting through the dirt etc. It just makes the water a bit wetter.
I think the Vision boys claims are pretty fair to be honest, it's a shame they have attracted a ridiculous fan club from Peters forum who seem intent on boosting sales for them. Seems to be the Gardiners hating Tekbook loving Chinese pole worshipping bunch that stick together.
My advice would be ignore the stupid fairy stories of what Vision does and listen to one of the more sensible members of the trio who sell it - he's not claiming miracles but must be rolling about laughing when some customers post the drivel they do ;D
I've had a laugh with the Vision boys and taken the pee out of them but if they can pass their product on at £60 a litre for something a customer will never notice then who are the daft ones? Just sit back and let it go. ;)
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Unfortunately Dave its not me or you that's going to get stung with this product, its guys who are starting out
and could more than likely do without this wasted expense.
Five or six years ago I would have been one of the guys being taken in by this product and would more than likely
have fallen for the placebo effect.
I just didn't want to see guys taken in by this lot and that was me only reason for posting on this subject, but
your right as far as I'm concerned I have more than done my bit and have taken the flack for it so its time to let
it go.
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Unfortunately Dave its not me or you that's going to get stung with this product, its guys who are starting out
and could more than likely do without this wasted expense.
Five or six years ago I would have been one of the guys being taken in by this product and would more than likely
have fallen for the placebo effect.
I just didn't want to see guys taken in by this lot and that was me only reason for posting on this subject, but
your right as far as I'm concerned I have more than done my bit and have taken the flack for it so its time to let
it go.
Sean..........
Between everyone involved in vision (uk and overseas) we have about 100 years plus of window cleaning experience. If you seriously think this is of no benefit and purely placebo.........without actually trying any for yourself.......ok.
The comment about "added expense" is ridiculous. Even at the recommended ratio it should only cost a few £ a week to use constantly, and we offer a FULL REFUND if your not happy with the product!
It is time you let it go Sean, as it is becoming tiresome for many who like me are trying to work out how you can blindly make claims that this does not have any benefit when you don't even wish to try it for yourself.
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Wow 100 years and you need to add an additive to achieve the same results that I can get using pure alone,
just goes to prove that time counts for nothing.
But to bury the hatchet here's a free idea for something to sell next to Vision customers just don't give the secrete away.
I'm sure they will be gullible enough to fall for it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iofJN1dZZ4I
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Very interesting. I'm going to buy some gg4.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
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I've upped my dosage just a little today to 6ml per 300l just to see what happens tomorrow.
I find the bubbles fairly race down the glass. Seem to be using a tad more water too as it seems to flow through the system faster than before. Might back it down a bit.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
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What is the difference then? As you obviously don't know what's in GG4?
Your product is an off the shelf product now, exactly the same as GG4 is. I can go and buy Vision off the shelf from Jigsaw same as I can buy GG4 off the shelf.
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A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4.
Something off the shelf? You make it sound inadequate or inferior.
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A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4.
Something off the shelf? You make it sound inadequate or inferior.
Sorry I didn't mean it in that way. I like gg4 and in no way could even attempt to belittle it. It works very well as a trad soap, and it works to a degree as a WFP additive.
One of our testers in America (tony Evans) used gg4 as a WFP additive for years. Then he moved onto ecover as it did the same but was cheaper, now after a year or so on using vision he wouldn't entertain going back to using ecover or gg4.
I Just meant that gg4 wasn't designed as a WFP additive wheras vision was.
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Designed by who and in what laboratory.
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Designed by who and in what laboratory.
Myself, Kevin and David.
Something like this;
http://youtu.be/gb3A9zFjrvk
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
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Lee, That's exactly my opinion too. I've used very strong mixes of Virosol, Ubik200 and G101 on snail trails and blood spots in summer and none of them exactly whip the dirt off so GG4 or Vision will hardly beat them at it at such tiny dilution rates. There just isn't enough power to do that. I've had hardened bird poo today that didn't shift with neat Virosol or pure water mix and had to be scraped off with a blade.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.
Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?
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Oh Jeez ::)roll
You've gone through 100,000 litres of pure water in three weeks. Amazing.
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Oh Jeez ::)roll
You've gone through 100,000 litres of pure water in three weeks. Amazing.
Where does it say i have?
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Oh Jeez ::)roll
You've gone through 100,000 litres of pure water in three weeks. Amazing.
;D you got em sussed Dave
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LOL you two are as bad as seanK PLEASE get your facts straight!
3 weeks eh?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191384.msg1653448#msg1653448
You will see my first day with Vision is the 4th December.
Also PLEASE note Vision is not being tested by JUST me.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.
Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?
So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.
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I was going to say a few things but ........
I'm totally bored of a few of these persons .
Had good banter with Dave Wiilis , but SeanK is just special .
From being told we have re-packaged and labelled another product is just crazy as I'm sure we would get fined for copy-right .
I'm just amazed .
I could go on and on .
But ..... It's just pointless .
We've been as professional as we can . And remained calm .
Happy cleaning
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I was going to say a few things but ........
I'm totally bored of a few of these persons .
Had good banter with Dave Wiilis , but SeanK is just special .
From being told we have re-packaged and labelled another product is just crazy as I'm sure we would get fined for copy-right .
I'm just amazed .
I could go on and on .
But ..... It's just pointless .
We've been as professional as we can . And remained calm .
Happy cleaning
well abit rich coming from someone who throw there toys out the pram and said he would never come on this forum again. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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True , but I've picked them up of the floor and put them back into the Pram
;D ;D
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.
Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?
So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.
The main points are water saving and easier cleaning. He uses a trolley system even though he has a lovely crash test system. We are replacing his van with a smaller system and hopefully he switch over to van mount for his last few years on the glass.
however. He likes the fact he can do more work before refilling.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.
Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?
So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.
The main points are water saving and easier cleaning. He uses a trolley system even though he has a lovely crash test system. We are replacing his van with a smaller system and hopefully he switch over to van mount for his last few years on the glass.
however. He likes the fact he can do more work before refilling.
How is he using less water? Are people rinsing less although phobic glass is not sheeting? I'm not getting it.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.
Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?
So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.
Bungle not all glass will sheet. On most it helps, (majority of mine now show hydrophillic properties) but this is one of the lesser benefits. The main benefits are better cleaning power and leaving a good shine. This does become more apparent after about 6 months of use though.
Although some are saying the bubbles are slowing them done, we've found rinsing to be quicker with vision.
We didn't advertise vision as being a cure for hydrophobic windows so please don't expect that.
There is a way to make hydrophobic glass hydrophillic by using an additive though. This is something were working on, but won't be available for a while. There's lots more to come from us. :)
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He is using less water as he is cutting through dirt quicker.
If you can be bothered to check back on my posts. I ALSO said I am using less water.
Next week we have a large block of offices todo.
Every visit results in someone having to refill. So we will see if it saves us water.
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.
Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?
So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.
Bungle not all glass will sheet. On most it helps, (majority of mine now show hydrophillic properties) but this is one of the lesser benefits. The main benefits are better cleaning power and leaving a good shine. This does become more apparent after about 6 months of use though.
Although some are saying the bubbles are slowing them done, we've found rinsing to be quicker with vision.
We didn't advertise vision as being a cure for hydrophobic windows so please don't expect that.
There is a way to make hydrophobic glass hydrophillic by using an additive though. This is something were working on, but won't be available for a while. There's lots more to come from us. :)
How does the glass become more noticeably shinier after 6 months? Does it not work straight away?
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Dosage up to 2ml per 100l today.
Double bubble, no spotting, nice shiny windows - even managed to clean a few windows trad with the same mix (slightly squeeky).
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I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.
Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Yes I have both.
What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)
I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.
The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.
Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?
So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.
Bungle not all glass will sheet. On most it helps, (majority of mine now show hydrophillic properties) but this is one of the lesser benefits. The main benefits are better cleaning power and leaving a good shine. This does become more apparent after about 6 months of use though.
Although some are saying the bubbles are slowing them done, we've found rinsing to be quicker with vision.
We didn't advertise vision as being a cure for hydrophobic windows so please don't expect that.
There is a way to make hydrophobic glass hydrophillic by using an additive though. This is something were working on, but won't be available for a while. There's lots more to come from us. :)
How does the glass become more noticeably shinier after 6 months? Does it not work straight away?
It does work straight away, but it gets better the more you use it. It gives the glass a deeper clean than just pure alone, so after about 6 months we've found it to level out, and that's as shiny and as "deep cleaned" as they get.
PVC Frames should be noticeably whiter and cleaner too. In a lot of areas I clean you can see which houses are cleaned by me, and which aren't. Frames are cleaner, and glass seems more reflective.
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Erm, excuse me this is the GG4 thread ::)roll
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Erm, excuse me this is the GG4 thread ::)roll
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Only answering questions MR willis.
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Jonny did you notice at Christmas that the windows you cleaned with Vision in the street grew their own decorations, Christmas tree and fancy lights whereas the other windows in the street didn't?
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Jonny did you notice at Christmas that the windows you cleaned with Vision in the street grew their own decorations, Christmas tree and fancy lights whereas the other windows in the street didn't?
I did mate.
All the neighbours came out asking if I could clean there's too though. It made for a busy December!