Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: lee_dewing on January 17, 2015, 07:44:06 pm
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Hi Tosh.
Just set up my pump box.
Used same controller as you.
Here's link to post.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191907.0;all
It's all good the only problem i have is existing on/off switch on pump box has 6 connection terminals, tried to use this but baffled me.
Gonna get a switch like you use.
when wiring your switch Tosh, is it just a case of red wire from crocodile clip goes into switch then a red wire comes out of switch and this connects to power regulator?
Pleased with how it all went pressure switch cuts water off in 2 seconds when kink pole hose.
The pump cycle's/ticks over every 30 seconds when pole hose kinked stopping water flow (is that right?)
never paid attention when it was the varistream :-[
Should of done this over xmas holidays but found a lose connection and put right on the varisteam thought all was well but varistream died friday afternoon.
Barstardized wiring straight from battery to pump and got last job of the day done ;D
thanks lee
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Gonna get a switch like you use.
when wiring your switch Tosh, is it just a case of red wire from crocodile clip goes into switch then a red wire comes out of switch and this connects to power regulator?
That should do it, but I think my switch is in a different place on the wiring. As long as the circuit is broken with the switch, anywhere should do it.
Pleased with how it all went pressure switch cuts water off in 2 seconds when kink pole hose.
The pump cycle's/ticks over every 30 seconds when pole hose kinked stopping water flow (is that right?)
never paid attention when it was the varistream :-[
That sounds okay, but could possibly be improved upon. Make sure there's no leaks anywhere otherwise when the water leaks from a connection, it de-pressurises the system and the pump will kick in (like yours is doing every 30 seconds). Another reason for this happening - if there's no leaks - is that your pump pressure switch needs calibrating, which you'll need to do anyway. This is how to do that...
Attach your pole to the hose reel and let it run. There's a hexagonal screw at the bottom of the shurflo pump; here...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421524627_Tosh1.jpg)
Adjust this hexagonal screw so the water flows nicely out of your pole - no cycling of the pump - yet turns off the pump pretty much straight away when you kink the hose (or however you turn your flow off). It's your pump pressure switch's calibration. It's very simple to do.
You only need do this the once; air temperature doesn't affect it like it did with my other flow controllers.
Both of mine are working great and have been for some months now. It's lovely to have something I can trust and works every time, without fail.
And for a fiver too! ;D
hth
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Thanks very much Tosh.
Definitely a problem re water leakage i'm sorting that tomorrow now i've dismantled pump box i can see and access all the plumbing looks like a couple of o-rings need a good extra squeeze.
there was always some water in the bottom of the pump box at the end of my day that was gradually getting worse.
Now i'm more confident on how it all wires up and works (thanks too you Tosh) i will assemble another pump box soon.
I'm sure i can improve on what i bought.
Thanks for extra diagrams on setting pressure switch etc.
Down maplins tomorrow for switch and then ptfe and crimp all joints; fingers crossed once happy will screw pump back into fixtures in box.
Forget about for along time i hope :D
cheers Tosh.
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Read 60 odd times.
Nosey barsties.
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Read 60 odd times.
Nosey barsties.
61 including you.
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Read 60 odd times.
Nosey barsties.
61 including you.
I didn't read it; I just commented
Now, keep your conk out :D.
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I opened up the controller from my ionics system (been replaced with an analogue liquid logic) and it is the same innards as tosh uses from ebay .......i think they charge around £200 for a replacement .......now thats a mark up!
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I opened up the controller from my ionics system (been replaced with an analogue liquid logic) and it is the same innards as tosh uses from ebay .......i think they charge around £200 for a replacement .......now thats a mark up!
Wow. Any chance of some photos of it all; the item and what it's mounted in.
Just because I'm nosey!
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i will when i get the chance , it looks like just a voltage regulator and a switch for the auto cut off .
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Cheers. I might start up a post 'How to DIY an 'IONICSs' £200 flow controller for under a tenner!' ;D
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Images as requested
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they are 165 on there website.
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Fancy taking the picture on your crotch.
Perv.
I'd expect it from Bateman or Cozy or their ilk, but not you Robert. Shame on you. ;D
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Thanks Rob and yes, it does look like a flow regulator:
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421600679_Tosh1.jpg)
Do you know if your pump pressure switch is wired up? Looking at the IONICs picture, the switch just looks like a simple 'on off' switch (I use one too).
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421600757_Tosh2.jpg)
I'm thinking IONICs just produce the same flow controller as I use, but with the only difference they charge £165 (+ VAT):
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421600865_Tosh3.jpg)
You can tell if your pump pressure switch is still wired up because there'll be wires going into the plastic bit at the bottom of your pump.
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All done.
Pump now cycles every 5 minutes.
Went around all joins and turned the calibration nut.
Run out of daylight; neighbours kid kept talking to me while I was listening out for pump cycling and timing it on my watch ::)roll
I'm sure I could improve on but miles better and fitted nice little switch near crocidile clip so long as I remember to push switch off then no sparks off terminals ;D when taking on and off battery.
Gonna bolt pump back into box tonight when everyone's gone to bed.
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All done.
It's quite a satisfying feeling knowing that you've got a similar set-up to what those folk who've paid over £200 for an Ionics flow controller, and you've only forked out a fiver for it.
It's like getting one-up on the Universe.
;D
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:) thanks for all the posts Tosh will save them.
Gonna make a spare pump box soon found another same controller forgot I had ;D
Got a spare pump from old trolley system I use to use.
Not looking forward to next weeks temperatures maximum 3c tomorrow but at least won't have to worry about keep recalibrating varistream ;D
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My current ones are just sat in a plastic box that you'd use to put a plug socket into a wall with. I've taped them up to make them water resistant and gaffer taped the switch to the box.
They look like some kind of Taliban bomb detonation device; pretty rough. But they work like a dream.
I've just ordered some stuff from e-bay; a project box, and some posh led on/off switches that'll fit into the box.
I plan to make a posh one for about a tenner! ;D
Just for fun. I must be getting old. :'(
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TOSH,
Off topic a little, I haven't a clue about anything like this until I read some posts, very impressive you guys know your stuff,
I have a shurflo pump with a dial type controller, it's just left on max - num 10, I was draining my tank into barrels today using hose with small piece of pole hose right into barrells so no waste and it took about 11 mins each barrell to fill to the brim
Would turning that screw at the top of pump improve my flow or is it time to replace, both pump & controller. I don't really rate a controller I would just put it on max and go.
Thanks
Matt
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Thanks Rob and yes, it does look like a flow regulator:
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421600679_Tosh1.jpg)
Do you know if your pump pressure switch is wired up? Looking at the IONICs picture, the switch just looks like a simple 'on off' switch (I use one too).
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421600757_Tosh2.jpg)
I'm thinking IONICs just produce the same flow controller as I use, but with the only difference they charge £165 (+ VAT):
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421600865_Tosh3.jpg)
You can tell if your pump pressure switch is still wired up because there'll be wires going into the plastic bit at the bottom of your pump.
I don't use that controller now as I brought a secondhand grippa tank from alex gardiner and fitted a liquid logic analogue controller .
But yes the Ionics system I had used the pressure switch to cut off the pump and to be honest I still use the pressure switch now with controller up full so may as well not have brought the analogue controller .
Will be converting to two man system soon so will use the Ionics controller for that .
Amazing how they inflate the prices , the pump they sell is aquatec and the charge £165 for one !
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Fancy taking the picture on your crotch.
Perv.
I'd expect it from Bateman or Cozy or their ilk, but not you Robert. Shame on you. ;D
Your the perv for looking :-* :-*
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Fancy taking the picture on your crotch.
Perv.
I'd expect it from Bateman or Cozy or their ilk, but not you Robert. Shame on you. ;D
Your the perv for looking :-* :-*
Couldn't help myself. You're just a hotty McBody. X
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Would turning that screw at the top of pump improve my flow or is it time to replace, both pump & controller. I don't really rate a controller I would just put it on max and go.
You can remove the controller altogether and just work with your pump. It'll give you an impressively fast flow. You'll have to reconnect your pump's pressure switch to do this; takes about ten minutes to do and is very simple.
The pump's pressure switch will turn the pump off when you stop the flow from your hose or disconnect your hose from your reel.
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But yes the Ionics system I had used the pressure switch to cut off the pump
Geez; so their £210 controller does the same as mine; total cost of mine - with all the bits - about a tenner.
Will be converting to two man system soon so will use the Ionics controller for that .
I use a two-man system and have just DIY'd two separate flow controllers. It's very simple. You just treat each pump like it's a stand-alone system and wire a separate controller to each of them.
Amazing how they home the prices , the pump they sell is aquatec and the charge £165 for one !
Yes, you're not wrong:
Ionics (before VAT)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421616923_Tosh2.jpg)
Aquatech
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421616857_Tosh1.jpg)
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But yes the Ionics system I had used the pressure switch to cut off the pump
Geez; so their £210 controller does the same as mine; total cost of mine - with all the bits - about a tenner.
Will be converting to two man system soon so will use the Ionics controller for that .
I use a two-man system and have just DIY'd two separate flow controllers. It's very simple. You just treat each pump like it's a stand-alone system and wire a separate controller to each of them.
Amazing how they home the prices , the pump they sell is aquatec and the charge £165 for one !
Yes, you're not wrong:
Ionics (before VAT)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421616923_Tosh2.jpg)
Aquatech
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1421616857_Tosh1.jpg)
Do you use two pumps Tosh? I've just taken someone on and we're just using one pump and one controller with a splitter.
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Do you use two pumps Tosh? I've just taken someone on and we're just using one pump and one controller with a splitter.
Yes, two pumps. I split the outlet hose from the tank and just run two separate pumps and controllers as if they're separate systems; apart from the power supply.
It was the way I was advised to do it on this forum.
Works fine!?
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Fancy taking the picture on your crotch.
Perv.
I'd expect it from Bateman or Cozy or their ilk, but not you Robert. Shame on you. ;D
Your the perv for looking :-* :-*
Couldn't help myself. You're just a hotty McBody. X
I know ;-)
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Do you use two pumps Tosh? I've just taken someone on and we're just using one pump and one controller with a splitter.
Yes, two pumps. I split the outlet hose from the tank and just run two separate pumps and controllers as if they're separate systems; apart from the power supply.
It was the way I was advised to do it on this forum.
Works fine!?
Up until now one pump is ok. The problem would be if it failed of course.
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Do you use two pumps Tosh? I've just taken someone on and we're just using one pump and one controller with a splitter.
Yes, two pumps. I split the outlet hose from the tank and just run two separate pumps and controllers as if they're separate systems; apart from the power supply.
It was the way I was advised to do it on this forum.
Works fine!?
Up until now one pump is ok. The problem would be if it failed of course.
We use microbore (100m reel and a 60m reel); I think it's asking a lot to ask for one pump to push out through that.
But a knowledgeable friend tells me that diaphragm pumps are designed to be worked hard (he installs RO systems into things like cruise ships and understands all about pumps and RO systems on a massive scale).
So I dunno if one pump or two is good or not.